No-fly zone over Newport for Nato summit

FLYING RESTRICTIONS: Assistant Chief Constable Chris Armitt

FLYING RESTRICTIONS: Assistant Chief Constable Chris Armitt

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RESTRICTIONS have been put in place on the airspace over Newport, Cardiff and even Bristol for three days during the Nato summit.

The Civil Aviation Authority’s airspace restrictions will stop any aircraft, excluding emergency services and those taking off and landing from Cardiff and Bristol airports, from flying below 10,500 feet in a 20-nautical mile radius of Celtic Manor.

The restrictions, put in place by the Secretary of State for Transport Patrick McLoughlin, will be in force from 9am on September 3 to 8pm on September 5.

Further restrictions will be in place as far away as Minehead on September 4 when aircraft flying below 10,500 feet are banned from a 20-nautical mile radius of Cardiff between 4pm and 23.59pm.

Assistant Chief Constable Chris Armitt, who is in charge of the Nato summit policing operation, said: “The police don’t enforce no fly zones but there has been advice and guidance given out in relation to this event.

“Everyone will get a bit nervous if a low and slow moving aircraft came over the Celtic Manor when 60 world leaders are here.”

Any unauthorised aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by a military aircraft in an attempt to guide them out of the airspace.

Mr Armitt added that road closures announced yesterday on parts of Catsash Road and Bulmore Road are taking place for six days to allow time for world leaders and delegates to arrive and searches to be carried out.

He said: “Although the summit lasts for two days, many of the world leaders will be here for three days as not everyone can get here at the same time.”

He added that further searches will need to be carried out once all the steel fences have gone up around Celtic Manor and again once roads have been closed.

He said: “In the Brighton hotel bombing, the device had been left in there for weeks before the hotel was used by the Government.”

Talking about the steel fences that are now lining the M4, Mr Armitt said closing one lane of the slip road at junction 24 was the only option as the barriers could not be placed on the grass verges.

He said this was “minimal disruption” and that police will be monitoring the impact on traffic.

Mr Armitt also promised that police would deal with disruptive protestors “robustly and quickly”.

He added: “We’re not planning other road closures but with the proposed march on August 30, if that protest is in significant numbers that would necessitate temporary closures of roads.”

The summit is taking place on September 4 and 5.

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10:06am Fri 8 Aug 14

rmh1989 says...

this is getting pathetic. next everybody will have to move 40 miles away from the Celtic manor whilst the summit takes place!!
this is getting pathetic. next everybody will have to move 40 miles away from the Celtic manor whilst the summit takes place!! rmh1989
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11:01am Fri 8 Aug 14

cathnwp says...

mh1989 - Excellent idea, where do I sign up?
mh1989 - Excellent idea, where do I sign up? cathnwp
  • Score: 3

1:16pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"No-fly zone over Newport for Nato summit"

Does this include pigeons too? One wouldn't want visiting grandees to endure the indignity of having a bird poop on their heads just as if they were merely some members of the local urban proletariat now, would one?;)
"No-fly zone over Newport for Nato summit" Does this include pigeons too? One wouldn't want visiting grandees to endure the indignity of having a bird poop on their heads just as if they were merely some members of the local urban proletariat now, would one?;) Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -2

1:29pm Fri 8 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around. MikeO4O8
  • Score: -17

1:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smokintheweed says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie. smokintheweed
  • Score: 19

1:38pm Fri 8 Aug 14

DavidMclean says...

Typical! I'd booked the Red Arrows for a garden party I'm throwing that week, now I'll have to postpone!
Typical! I'd booked the Red Arrows for a garden party I'm throwing that week, now I'll have to postpone! DavidMclean
  • Score: 24

1:43pm Fri 8 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

What about all the old Roman mineworkings under the Celtic Manor? Stone tunnels as far as Newport. I've heard the Taliban have been in Caerleon buying up all the candles and mint cake.
What about all the old Roman mineworkings under the Celtic Manor? Stone tunnels as far as Newport. I've heard the Taliban have been in Caerleon buying up all the candles and mint cake. KarloMarko
  • Score: 9

3:41pm Fri 8 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place MikeO4O8
  • Score: -8

3:45pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smokintheweed says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing.

I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place[/p][/quote]Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing. I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up. smokintheweed
  • Score: 19

4:15pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Mr.Jolly. says...

This is just typical- so called "Austerity" for us but they can afford to spend millions protecting warmongers.
This will bring no benefit to the area whatsoever- I remember all the hullaballoo over the trade the Ryder Cup was going to bring in- PFFFFT.
This is just typical- so called "Austerity" for us but they can afford to spend millions protecting warmongers. This will bring no benefit to the area whatsoever- I remember all the hullaballoo over the trade the Ryder Cup was going to bring in- PFFFFT. Mr.Jolly.
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Mr.Jolly. says...

Isn't it funny here that anyone who has the audacity to point out that these functions are only of any benefit to people like Terry Matthews and other such "Pillars of the Community" instantly gets voted down?
Down voters having and scratching backs methinks.
Isn't it funny here that anyone who has the audacity to point out that these functions are only of any benefit to people like Terry Matthews and other such "Pillars of the Community" instantly gets voted down? Down voters having and scratching backs methinks. Mr.Jolly.
  • Score: 3

4:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Nonsense...the cheering children will be all given chewing gum and Captain Marvel comics, the local ladies will have tan ladder free nylons and lipsticks and the men two packs of Lucky Strike (extra tar ) each. Nato issue. BBC Wales is broadcasting a series of top flight John Wayne films including "The Green Berets" and the Glenn Miller band is playing all nighters at the Riverside. "In the Mood? You Betcha, now where's that Soviet menace?".....says Paul Flynn MP in his s/h US Marines outfit.
Nonsense...the cheering children will be all given chewing gum and Captain Marvel comics, the local ladies will have tan ladder free nylons and lipsticks and the men two packs of Lucky Strike (extra tar ) each. Nato issue. BBC Wales is broadcasting a series of top flight John Wayne films including "The Green Berets" and the Glenn Miller band is playing all nighters at the Riverside. "In the Mood? You Betcha, now where's that Soviet menace?".....says Paul Flynn MP in his s/h US Marines outfit. KarloMarko
  • Score: 2

5:02pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Mr.Jolly. says...

"Nonsense...the cheering children will be all given chewing gum and Captain Marvel comics, the local ladies will have tan ladder free nylons and lipsticks..."

Hehehe Karlo well said mate.always enjoy your posts but this one really made me giggle :)
"Nonsense...the cheering children will be all given chewing gum and Captain Marvel comics, the local ladies will have tan ladder free nylons and lipsticks..." Hehehe Karlo well said mate.always enjoy your posts but this one really made me giggle :) Mr.Jolly.
  • Score: -1

5:57pm Fri 8 Aug 14

AB says...

Quite simple really, just put up a big notice 'NEWPORT CLOSED'. Oh silly me, thats no different to normal is it... My bad.
Quite simple really, just put up a big notice 'NEWPORT CLOSED'. Oh silly me, thats no different to normal is it... My bad. AB
  • Score: 0

6:03pm Fri 8 Aug 14

newport15 says...

smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing.

I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.
i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place[/p][/quote]Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing. I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.[/p][/quote]i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken newport15
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6:46pm Fri 8 Aug 14

smokintheweed says...

newport15 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing.

I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.
i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken
It is highly unlikely to happen again. In fact it is probably impossible. Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorised aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace around a major summit? It's ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]newport15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place[/p][/quote]Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing. I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.[/p][/quote]i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken[/p][/quote]It is highly unlikely to happen again. In fact it is probably impossible. Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorised aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace around a major summit? It's ridiculous. smokintheweed
  • Score: -3

7:52pm Fri 8 Aug 14

VoiceOfDaPort says...

Just as well my Deloren can travel in time as well as fly
Just as well my Deloren can travel in time as well as fly VoiceOfDaPort
  • Score: -2

7:58pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"No-fly zone over Newport for Nato summit"

Does this include pigeons too? One wouldn't want visiting grandees to endure the indignity of having a bird poop on their heads just as if they were merely some members of the local urban proletariat now, would one?;)
That's impossible. All of Newport's pigeons have moved to Commercial Street and John Frost Square.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "No-fly zone over Newport for Nato summit" Does this include pigeons too? One wouldn't want visiting grandees to endure the indignity of having a bird poop on their heads just as if they were merely some members of the local urban proletariat now, would one?;)[/p][/quote]That's impossible. All of Newport's pigeons have moved to Commercial Street and John Frost Square. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -3

11:23pm Fri 8 Aug 14

thomas35 says...

Any aircraft flying under 10000ft over Ringland will have their radios and wheel hubs pinched !!
Any aircraft flying under 10000ft over Ringland will have their radios and wheel hubs pinched !! thomas35
  • Score: 4

11:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

newport15 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing.

I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.
i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken
yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at.
the other guy that posted said it's pretty much impossible, but i dont agree, just because precautions are in place, does not mean there isnt a way around them, i mean they have not long from banned uncharged phones/laptops or other handheld electrical devices to be carried on planes because of NEW terrorist threats that the al quida (cant spell it lol) are/was working on as apparently they FOUND A WAY AROUND the current procedures we had in place. whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on?

there is always a way to get around precautions that are in place.

as for the other comment ''
Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorized aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace''
OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough.

just liek if anything happens during this NATO summit that causes chaos, yes procedures was in place, but if the procedures couldn't stop what was/is going to happen then the procedures was of course not good enough.

BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen, its not like any procedures we say on here will be looked at anyway lol, if anything does happen at the Celtic manor then i will have a front row seat as i only live around the corner from it.
[quote][p][bold]newport15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place[/p][/quote]Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing. I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.[/p][/quote]i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken[/p][/quote]yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at. the other guy that posted said it's pretty much impossible, but i dont agree, just because precautions are in place, does not mean there isnt a way around them, i mean they have not long from banned uncharged phones/laptops or other handheld electrical devices to be carried on planes because of NEW terrorist threats that the al quida (cant spell it lol) are/was working on as apparently they FOUND A WAY AROUND the current procedures we had in place. whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on? there is always a way to get around precautions that are in place. as for the other comment '' Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorized aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace'' OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough. just liek if anything happens during this NATO summit that causes chaos, yes procedures was in place, but if the procedures couldn't stop what was/is going to happen then the procedures was of course not good enough. BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen, its not like any procedures we say on here will be looked at anyway lol, if anything does happen at the Celtic manor then i will have a front row seat as i only live around the corner from it. MikeO4O8
  • Score: -3

12:44am Sat 9 Aug 14

smokintheweed says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
newport15 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing.

I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.
i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken
yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at.
the other guy that posted said it's pretty much impossible, but i dont agree, just because precautions are in place, does not mean there isnt a way around them, i mean they have not long from banned uncharged phones/laptops or other handheld electrical devices to be carried on planes because of NEW terrorist threats that the al quida (cant spell it lol) are/was working on as apparently they FOUND A WAY AROUND the current procedures we had in place. whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on?

there is always a way to get around precautions that are in place.

as for the other comment ''
Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorized aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace''
OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough.

just liek if anything happens during this NATO summit that causes chaos, yes procedures was in place, but if the procedures couldn't stop what was/is going to happen then the procedures was of course not good enough.

BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen, its not like any procedures we say on here will be looked at anyway lol, if anything does happen at the Celtic manor then i will have a front row seat as i only live around the corner from it.
whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on?

Modern electrical devices use 100% of the space inside them for the circuitry to make them work. The idea that they could be packed with explosives is laughable because they are x-rayed along with everything else you take on a flight. The people using the scanners are trained to spot anything anomalous and I can tell you that they will spot them. They would stand out a mile (around a decade of electrical engineering experience has taught me this). Another thing, how would you hijack a plane with a bomb if the intent was to destroy it along with everyone else in the first place? Everyone in the cabin would mob the terrorists.

"OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough"

Because the perpetrators were not targeting a summit filled with some of the most powerful people on the planet. They were targeting civilians and at the time the method of the attacks were unheard of. Do you really think that plan would work a second time?

" BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen"

Nothing will happen but it seems like you want it to.

Going back to your original post:

"Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked"

Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hijack a plane? Especially since 9/11? Especially one that would have to be in the rough area of Newport? These things have armoured doors to the cockpit and the pilots have strict instructions not to open them. You really think that someone armed with absolutely nothing (my brother had to hand a belt in because it had a small relief of a cowboy gun on it). You can't even bring bottles of shampoo over a certain size on board.

"I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed"

Again, the pilots won't be killed, they are behind a bullet-proof/blast-p
roof door. You do also know that anyone, regardless of intent shouldn't have a firearm on a plane? Explosive decompression isn't much of an issue but bullets do not stop once they hit someone, they will go through and into someone else or through a hydraulic line or some other vital component. Your idea of training cops to fly planes is completely retarded too. Have you got any idea how difficult these things are to fly? Anyone remotely qualified to ferry hundreds of people around in something that travels around four hundred miles an hour is not going to waste their time working for cop wages waiting for an incident that, statistically speaking will never happen.

You have been watching far too many action films. Con-Air one of your favourites?
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newport15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place[/p][/quote]Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing. I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.[/p][/quote]i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken[/p][/quote]yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at. the other guy that posted said it's pretty much impossible, but i dont agree, just because precautions are in place, does not mean there isnt a way around them, i mean they have not long from banned uncharged phones/laptops or other handheld electrical devices to be carried on planes because of NEW terrorist threats that the al quida (cant spell it lol) are/was working on as apparently they FOUND A WAY AROUND the current procedures we had in place. whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on? there is always a way to get around precautions that are in place. as for the other comment '' Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorized aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace'' OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough. just liek if anything happens during this NATO summit that causes chaos, yes procedures was in place, but if the procedures couldn't stop what was/is going to happen then the procedures was of course not good enough. BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen, its not like any procedures we say on here will be looked at anyway lol, if anything does happen at the Celtic manor then i will have a front row seat as i only live around the corner from it.[/p][/quote]whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on? Modern electrical devices use 100% of the space inside them for the circuitry to make them work. The idea that they could be packed with explosives is laughable because they are x-rayed along with everything else you take on a flight. The people using the scanners are trained to spot anything anomalous and I can tell you that they will spot them. They would stand out a mile (around a decade of electrical engineering experience has taught me this). Another thing, how would you hijack a plane with a bomb if the intent was to destroy it along with everyone else in the first place? Everyone in the cabin would mob the terrorists. "OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough" Because the perpetrators were not targeting a summit filled with some of the most powerful people on the planet. They were targeting civilians and at the time the method of the attacks were unheard of. Do you really think that plan would work a second time? " BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen" Nothing will happen but it seems like you want it to. Going back to your original post: "Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked" Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hijack a plane? Especially since 9/11? Especially one that would have to be in the rough area of Newport? These things have armoured doors to the cockpit and the pilots have strict instructions not to open them. You really think that someone armed with absolutely nothing (my brother had to hand a belt in because it had a small relief of a cowboy gun on it). You can't even bring bottles of shampoo over a certain size on board. "I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed" Again, the pilots won't be killed, they are behind a bullet-proof/blast-p roof door. You do also know that anyone, regardless of intent shouldn't have a firearm on a plane? Explosive decompression isn't much of an issue but bullets do not stop once they hit someone, they will go through and into someone else or through a hydraulic line or some other vital component. Your idea of training cops to fly planes is completely retarded too. Have you got any idea how difficult these things are to fly? Anyone remotely qualified to ferry hundreds of people around in something that travels around four hundred miles an hour is not going to waste their time working for cop wages waiting for an incident that, statistically speaking will never happen. You have been watching far too many action films. Con-Air one of your favourites? smokintheweed
  • Score: 2

10:51am Sat 9 Aug 14

displayed says...

"Any unauthorised aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by a military aircraft in an attempt to guide them out of the airspace. "

So they gonna shoot em down, huh?

Does this include drones!
"Any unauthorised aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by a military aircraft in an attempt to guide them out of the airspace. " So they gonna shoot em down, huh? Does this include drones! displayed
  • Score: -4

3:21am Sun 10 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
newport15 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed.

I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.
Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.
so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor?

if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place
Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing.

I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.
i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken
yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at.
the other guy that posted said it's pretty much impossible, but i dont agree, just because precautions are in place, does not mean there isnt a way around them, i mean they have not long from banned uncharged phones/laptops or other handheld electrical devices to be carried on planes because of NEW terrorist threats that the al quida (cant spell it lol) are/was working on as apparently they FOUND A WAY AROUND the current procedures we had in place. whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on?

there is always a way to get around precautions that are in place.

as for the other comment ''
Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorized aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace''
OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough.

just liek if anything happens during this NATO summit that causes chaos, yes procedures was in place, but if the procedures couldn't stop what was/is going to happen then the procedures was of course not good enough.

BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen, its not like any procedures we say on here will be looked at anyway lol, if anything does happen at the Celtic manor then i will have a front row seat as i only live around the corner from it.
whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on?

Modern electrical devices use 100% of the space inside them for the circuitry to make them work. The idea that they could be packed with explosives is laughable because they are x-rayed along with everything else you take on a flight. The people using the scanners are trained to spot anything anomalous and I can tell you that they will spot them. They would stand out a mile (around a decade of electrical engineering experience has taught me this). Another thing, how would you hijack a plane with a bomb if the intent was to destroy it along with everyone else in the first place? Everyone in the cabin would mob the terrorists.

"OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough"

Because the perpetrators were not targeting a summit filled with some of the most powerful people on the planet. They were targeting civilians and at the time the method of the attacks were unheard of. Do you really think that plan would work a second time?

" BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen"

Nothing will happen but it seems like you want it to.

Going back to your original post:

"Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked"

Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hijack a plane? Especially since 9/11? Especially one that would have to be in the rough area of Newport? These things have armoured doors to the cockpit and the pilots have strict instructions not to open them. You really think that someone armed with absolutely nothing (my brother had to hand a belt in because it had a small relief of a cowboy gun on it). You can't even bring bottles of shampoo over a certain size on board.

"I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed"

Again, the pilots won't be killed, they are behind a bullet-proof/blast-p

roof door. You do also know that anyone, regardless of intent shouldn't have a firearm on a plane? Explosive decompression isn't much of an issue but bullets do not stop once they hit someone, they will go through and into someone else or through a hydraulic line or some other vital component. Your idea of training cops to fly planes is completely retarded too. Have you got any idea how difficult these things are to fly? Anyone remotely qualified to ferry hundreds of people around in something that travels around four hundred miles an hour is not going to waste their time working for cop wages waiting for an incident that, statistically speaking will never happen.

You have been watching far too many action films. Con-Air one of your favourites?
Smokintheweed, you name says it all.

As for the electrical devices, it's not me making that up, that is something they brought in to fight terrorism on aircraft. All I am simply saying is, it was easily done once before, it can just as easily be done again even if it means using their own plane(s) with bombs on it or stealing a training plane or tourists plane, I know the odds of this happening are very slim but so was the 9/11 attacks.
Also it is the argus that said " any aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by military aircraft to be lead out of the area" all I was asking is if they don't respond to clear the area would they be willing to shoot it down.

Would the plan work a second time? Most likely yes but not using the exact same method no, it will.just be another unheard of method.

Also I didn't mean for armed police to have guns I meant something like a tazer gun.

Asking if I want it to happen, honestly I couldn't care less, I don't know any of the world leaders anyway, couldn't care less what happens to them.

Just because pilots have strict instructions not to do something does not mean they will stick by it, I am sure during the 9/11 attacks they had strict instructions not to open the door, but they opened them anyway. People can always be made to do things they aren't supposed to.

I probably did ramble on a bit in my posts and no con air isn't my favourite, I was on about a normal aircraft not 1 filled with prisoners.
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]newport15[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked? Are you prepared to kill 100+ people just to save 30? If it was me I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed. I DON'T agree with road closures though, perhaps road stops where cars and people are searched and bomb dogs to sniff around.[/p][/quote]Get a grip. You're not living in a Die Hard movie.[/p][/quote]so you would be happy if they did nothing and let the possable hijacked aircraft crash in to the celtic manor? if it did happen and they did nothing, you would only moan that they did nothing in the 1st place[/p][/quote]Listen to yourself, you are living in a fantasy world. It's quite amusing. I wouldn't worry though. I hear Obama is bringing Robocop with him in case the predator turns up.[/p][/quote]i presume if someone said pre twin towers attack what may happen you would have laughed at that! every precaution needs to be taken[/p][/quote]yeah that's pretty much what i was getting at. the other guy that posted said it's pretty much impossible, but i dont agree, just because precautions are in place, does not mean there isnt a way around them, i mean they have not long from banned uncharged phones/laptops or other handheld electrical devices to be carried on planes because of NEW terrorist threats that the al quida (cant spell it lol) are/was working on as apparently they FOUND A WAY AROUND the current procedures we had in place. whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on? there is always a way to get around precautions that are in place. as for the other comment '' Do you honestly think that even before the New York attacks precautions weren't in place to ensure unauthorized aircraft were not allowed to enter restricted airspace'' OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough. just liek if anything happens during this NATO summit that causes chaos, yes procedures was in place, but if the procedures couldn't stop what was/is going to happen then the procedures was of course not good enough. BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen, its not like any procedures we say on here will be looked at anyway lol, if anything does happen at the Celtic manor then i will have a front row seat as i only live around the corner from it.[/p][/quote]whats to say they haven't found a new way or if the uncharged electrical devices was even the thing they was working on? Modern electrical devices use 100% of the space inside them for the circuitry to make them work. The idea that they could be packed with explosives is laughable because they are x-rayed along with everything else you take on a flight. The people using the scanners are trained to spot anything anomalous and I can tell you that they will spot them. They would stand out a mile (around a decade of electrical engineering experience has taught me this). Another thing, how would you hijack a plane with a bomb if the intent was to destroy it along with everyone else in the first place? Everyone in the cabin would mob the terrorists. "OF COURSE procedures was in place, sadly these procedures that was in place during the 9/11 attacks was not good enough" Because the perpetrators were not targeting a summit filled with some of the most powerful people on the planet. They were targeting civilians and at the time the method of the attacks were unheard of. Do you really think that plan would work a second time? " BUT HEY, all we can do is wait and see what will happen" Nothing will happen but it seems like you want it to. Going back to your original post: "Well I can understand the need for a no fly zone, but what these people HAVE to ask them self's is ARE YOU PREPARED TO SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT DOWN if they don't respond or If the plane is hijacked" Do you have any idea how hard it would be to hijack a plane? Especially since 9/11? Especially one that would have to be in the rough area of Newport? These things have armoured doors to the cockpit and the pilots have strict instructions not to open them. You really think that someone armed with absolutely nothing (my brother had to hand a belt in because it had a small relief of a cowboy gun on it). You can't even bring bottles of shampoo over a certain size on board. "I would have a few armed plain clothed police officers on EVERY AIRCRAFT just encase also give them some experience in fly an aircraft encase the pilots are killed" Again, the pilots won't be killed, they are behind a bullet-proof/blast-p roof door. You do also know that anyone, regardless of intent shouldn't have a firearm on a plane? Explosive decompression isn't much of an issue but bullets do not stop once they hit someone, they will go through and into someone else or through a hydraulic line or some other vital component. Your idea of training cops to fly planes is completely retarded too. Have you got any idea how difficult these things are to fly? Anyone remotely qualified to ferry hundreds of people around in something that travels around four hundred miles an hour is not going to waste their time working for cop wages waiting for an incident that, statistically speaking will never happen. You have been watching far too many action films. Con-Air one of your favourites?[/p][/quote]Smokintheweed, you name says it all. As for the electrical devices, it's not me making that up, that is something they brought in to fight terrorism on aircraft. All I am simply saying is, it was easily done once before, it can just as easily be done again even if it means using their own plane(s) with bombs on it or stealing a training plane or tourists plane, I know the odds of this happening are very slim but so was the 9/11 attacks. Also it is the argus that said " any aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by military aircraft to be lead out of the area" all I was asking is if they don't respond to clear the area would they be willing to shoot it down. Would the plan work a second time? Most likely yes but not using the exact same method no, it will.just be another unheard of method. Also I didn't mean for armed police to have guns I meant something like a tazer gun. Asking if I want it to happen, honestly I couldn't care less, I don't know any of the world leaders anyway, couldn't care less what happens to them. Just because pilots have strict instructions not to do something does not mean they will stick by it, I am sure during the 9/11 attacks they had strict instructions not to open the door, but they opened them anyway. People can always be made to do things they aren't supposed to. I probably did ramble on a bit in my posts and no con air isn't my favourite, I was on about a normal aircraft not 1 filled with prisoners. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 0

3:24am Sun 10 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

displayed wrote:
"Any unauthorised aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by a military aircraft in an attempt to guide them out of the airspace. "

So they gonna shoot em down, huh?

Does this include drones!
Lol that's pretty much what I asked and I got dislikes for it as well, no idea why, it's a reasonable question. What other options do they have if the aircraft does not leave the area or respond to radio calls?
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: "Any unauthorised aircraft within the restricted zone will be intercepted by a military aircraft in an attempt to guide them out of the airspace. " So they gonna shoot em down, huh? Does this include drones![/p][/quote]Lol that's pretty much what I asked and I got dislikes for it as well, no idea why, it's a reasonable question. What other options do they have if the aircraft does not leave the area or respond to radio calls? MikeO4O8
  • Score: 1

9:35am Mon 11 Aug 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

I can't wait for this rubbish to be over. Haven't these benno's heard of skype?
I can't wait for this rubbish to be over. Haven't these benno's heard of skype? Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: -3

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