ARGUS COMMENT: Music venue is 22 years old, so why the complaints now?

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THE problems facing one of Newport's best-known live music venues seem odd in the extreme.

As we reported yesterday, Le Pub is facing closure unless it can raise £10,000 for sound-proofing following complaints about noise levels.

The city council, which does not have the power to close the venue, says it has received more than one complaint about noise nuisance and has threatened formal action.

All of the above would make sense if Le Pub was a newly-opened venue. But that is far from the case.

It has been in operation for 22 years.

So why are Le Pub's neighbours complaining now?

The building is well known as a live music venue. Anyone who has lived in Newport for any length of time will know this.

So are the complaints coming from neighbours who have suffered in silence for years but have now had enough? Or are they coming from people who have just moved in to the area?

Either way - and without disparaging the concerns of people who live nearby - we feel a certain sympathy for Le Pub.

The venue is using social media in an attempt to 'crowd fund' the £10,000 it needs to sound proof the roof.

We hope the fundraising campaign is successful.

Live music should be an integral part of any city's night time economy, and Newport has lost too many venues in the past.

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9:37am Wed 13 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Maybe they turned the amps up to eleven and a half.
Maybe they turned the amps up to eleven and a half. KarloMarko
  • Score: 3

10:00am Wed 13 Aug 14

Turv01 says...

After the loss of TJ's there are few live venues left in Newport, especially for non-maintream music - while the formulaic top 40 type rubbish is well catered for.... best wishes to Le Pub
After the loss of TJ's there are few live venues left in Newport, especially for non-maintream music - while the formulaic top 40 type rubbish is well catered for.... best wishes to Le Pub Turv01
  • Score: 20

10:23am Wed 13 Aug 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

I would imagine people have been complaining for years only, in days gone by, if someone who lived next door to a music venue complained about noise, they would rightly have been laughed at and told to move house if they didn't like it.

These days however, it seems as though you can get whatever you want by complaining - even if you have no right to do so. It's the same in all walks of life - housing, financial services, retail - just whinge at everything and you will get your way at the expense of others.

Welcome to 21st century Britain.
I would imagine people have been complaining for years only, in days gone by, if someone who lived next door to a music venue complained about noise, they would rightly have been laughed at and told to move house if they didn't like it. These days however, it seems as though you can get whatever you want by complaining - even if you have no right to do so. It's the same in all walks of life - housing, financial services, retail - just whinge at everything and you will get your way at the expense of others. Welcome to 21st century Britain. Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 9

10:26am Wed 13 Aug 14

inkyskin says...

maybe they could hold a meeting with those that complained to find what the problem is exactly, maybe it's the noise from people leaving the venue? but surely when moving into a new house you scope the area too, I mean if you're going to move directly into the city centre where there's pubs then of course there's going to be lots of noise!..it's bizarre that this place has complaints after so long.
maybe they could hold a meeting with those that complained to find what the problem is exactly, maybe it's the noise from people leaving the venue? but surely when moving into a new house you scope the area too, I mean if you're going to move directly into the city centre where there's pubs then of course there's going to be lots of noise!..it's bizarre that this place has complaints after so long. inkyskin
  • Score: 18

12:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DavidMclean says...

The solution is simple. Le Pub needs to stipulate that all bands play only play songs inspired by John Cage's 4'33"

Seriously, I'm in agreement with the poster above who says we live in a complaint society these days. Ironically, the same people jumping on the complaint bandwagon will invariably be the same people who enjoyed a rich social life when they were younger and who post those 'wasn't life better in the old days' posts on Facebook - while at the same time calling for everything to be banned/closed down and reaching for the no-win, no-fee solicitors cards.

Le Pub is not a 'bad' place. It doesn't attract a troublesome crowd and, as the article above states, it's been pretty much the same for years. However, recent regulations have empowered people to complain and get places closed down. For some people there's a sick satisfaction in exercising that power needlessly.

The Point in Cardiff was a great venue that was closed following a single complaint by a local resident. That's the kind of ridiculous nanny-state over reaction we are now living under. I hope the saddo who got the place closed down enjoyed his momentary power trip, though I doubt they got much respect as they boasted about it to friends.
The solution is simple. Le Pub needs to stipulate that all bands play only play songs inspired by John Cage's 4'33" [Google it] Seriously, I'm in agreement with the poster above who says we live in a complaint society these days. Ironically, the same people jumping on the complaint bandwagon will invariably be the same people who enjoyed a rich social life when they were younger and who post those 'wasn't life better in the old days' posts on Facebook - while at the same time calling for everything to be banned/closed down and reaching for the no-win, no-fee solicitors cards. Le Pub is not a 'bad' place. It doesn't attract a troublesome crowd and, as the article above states, it's been pretty much the same for years. However, recent regulations have empowered people to complain and get places closed down. For some people there's a sick satisfaction in exercising that power needlessly. The Point in Cardiff was a great venue that was closed following a single complaint by a local resident. That's the kind of ridiculous nanny-state over reaction we are now living under. I hope the saddo who got the place closed down enjoyed his momentary power trip, though I doubt they got much respect as they boasted about it to friends. DavidMclean
  • Score: 7

12:47pm Wed 13 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Listen, when Elvis played Newport in 1956 you could have heard a pin drop. When he shouted, "can you hear me at the back?", a copper blew his whistle. There was respect in those days... and ten watt amps.
Listen, when Elvis played Newport in 1956 you could have heard a pin drop. When he shouted, "can you hear me at the back?", a copper blew his whistle. There was respect in those days... and ten watt amps. KarloMarko
  • Score: 5

4:48pm Wed 13 Aug 14

The Destroyer says...

DavidMclean wrote:
The solution is simple. Le Pub needs to stipulate that all bands play only play songs inspired by John Cage's 4'33"

Seriously, I'm in agreement with the poster above who says we live in a complaint society these days. Ironically, the same people jumping on the complaint bandwagon will invariably be the same people who enjoyed a rich social life when they were younger and who post those 'wasn't life better in the old days' posts on Facebook - while at the same time calling for everything to be banned/closed down and reaching for the no-win, no-fee solicitors cards.

Le Pub is not a 'bad' place. It doesn't attract a troublesome crowd and, as the article above states, it's been pretty much the same for years. However, recent regulations have empowered people to complain and get places closed down. For some people there's a sick satisfaction in exercising that power needlessly.

The Point in Cardiff was a great venue that was closed following a single complaint by a local resident. That's the kind of ridiculous nanny-state over reaction we are now living under. I hope the saddo who got the place closed down enjoyed his momentary power trip, though I doubt they got much respect as they boasted about it to friends.
Totally agree about The Point - correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the resident in question moved into their new flat long after The Point had been up and running as a music venue.
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: The solution is simple. Le Pub needs to stipulate that all bands play only play songs inspired by John Cage's 4'33" [Google it] Seriously, I'm in agreement with the poster above who says we live in a complaint society these days. Ironically, the same people jumping on the complaint bandwagon will invariably be the same people who enjoyed a rich social life when they were younger and who post those 'wasn't life better in the old days' posts on Facebook - while at the same time calling for everything to be banned/closed down and reaching for the no-win, no-fee solicitors cards. Le Pub is not a 'bad' place. It doesn't attract a troublesome crowd and, as the article above states, it's been pretty much the same for years. However, recent regulations have empowered people to complain and get places closed down. For some people there's a sick satisfaction in exercising that power needlessly. The Point in Cardiff was a great venue that was closed following a single complaint by a local resident. That's the kind of ridiculous nanny-state over reaction we are now living under. I hope the saddo who got the place closed down enjoyed his momentary power trip, though I doubt they got much respect as they boasted about it to friends.[/p][/quote]Totally agree about The Point - correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the resident in question moved into their new flat long after The Point had been up and running as a music venue. The Destroyer
  • Score: 4

5:58pm Wed 13 Aug 14

russ angel says...

We have to pander to complaints now due to the PC society that we live in,these people have nothing else better to do and were known as a "Nuisance" years ago.Unfortunately for a very small minority everyone has to suffer.Le pub is a music venue and that is the last kiss of death if it goes.I will have the bell back from downstairs as it belongs to me though.
We have to pander to complaints now due to the PC society that we live in,these people have nothing else better to do and were known as a "Nuisance" years ago.Unfortunately for a very small minority everyone has to suffer.Le pub is a music venue and that is the last kiss of death if it goes.I will have the bell back from downstairs as it belongs to me though. russ angel
  • Score: 0

6:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Well said Kevin Ward and Russ Angel,
we all say it and think it, its nice to see someone say it publically, why do people move into an area where there are Pubs or Clubs, or Speedways or even Main Roads, then complain about the noise or amount of traffic and its noise.
Whilst I feel for those who are affected, why now? its always been there since I was a young'un... why move into an area without first checking what it is like? if it happens after you moved in fair enough, but when it was there long before you arrived, why complain?
I hope the Venue does manage to raise the needed cash, Maybe SIR Terry could offer a donation from all his past and future profits for the problems he has caused to ALL residents of Newport.... both past and now in the not so distant future.
Well said Kevin Ward and Russ Angel, we all say it and think it, its nice to see someone say it publically, why do people move into an area where there are Pubs or Clubs, or Speedways or even Main Roads, then complain about the noise or amount of traffic and its noise. Whilst I feel for those who are affected, why now? its always been there since I was a young'un... why move into an area without first checking what it is like? if it happens after you moved in fair enough, but when it was there long before you arrived, why complain? I hope the Venue does manage to raise the needed cash, Maybe SIR Terry could offer a donation from all his past and future profits for the problems he has caused to ALL residents of Newport.... both past and now in the not so distant future. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: 6

1:20pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
Well said Kevin Ward and Russ Angel,
we all say it and think it, its nice to see someone say it publically, why do people move into an area where there are Pubs or Clubs, or Speedways or even Main Roads, then complain about the noise or amount of traffic and its noise.
Whilst I feel for those who are affected, why now? its always been there since I was a young'un... why move into an area without first checking what it is like? if it happens after you moved in fair enough, but when it was there long before you arrived, why complain?
I hope the Venue does manage to raise the needed cash, Maybe SIR Terry could offer a donation from all his past and future profits for the problems he has caused to ALL residents of Newport.... both past and now in the not so distant future.
Exactly what problems has Sir Terry caused?
Brought a wonderful hotel to the area, hosted the Ryder Cup, hosting a Nato Summit, creating a world class convention centre etc.
People just don't like success in this area.
I would rather be envied than pitied.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Well said Kevin Ward and Russ Angel, we all say it and think it, its nice to see someone say it publically, why do people move into an area where there are Pubs or Clubs, or Speedways or even Main Roads, then complain about the noise or amount of traffic and its noise. Whilst I feel for those who are affected, why now? its always been there since I was a young'un... why move into an area without first checking what it is like? if it happens after you moved in fair enough, but when it was there long before you arrived, why complain? I hope the Venue does manage to raise the needed cash, Maybe SIR Terry could offer a donation from all his past and future profits for the problems he has caused to ALL residents of Newport.... both past and now in the not so distant future.[/p][/quote]Exactly what problems has Sir Terry caused? Brought a wonderful hotel to the area, hosted the Ryder Cup, hosting a Nato Summit, creating a world class convention centre etc. People just don't like success in this area. I would rather be envied than pitied. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

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