UPDATE: Anti-Nato Pill peace camp is off, campaigners say - they say they will gather at Tredegar Park

Public meeting held at Pill Millennium Centre regarding the NATO Pill Peace Camp.  Pictured is a Pill business owner Alison Shatfort raising  raising policing concerns for the community. (9221516)

Public meeting held at Pill Millennium Centre regarding the NATO Pill Peace Camp. Pictured is a Pill business owner Alison Shatfort raising raising policing concerns for the community. (9221516)

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UPDATE: Tredegar Park will be the new location of an anti-Nato ‘peace camp’, campaigners say.Joyce Giblin and Edward Clarke, from No Nato Newport, said the decision was made this afternoon after a meeting with representatives from Newport City Council, police and the fire brigade.

After site visits to both Tredegar Park off Cardiff Road and Coronation Park near Somerton, the former was chosen as a suitable location.

Mr Clarke said this was preferable to the planned camp on Pill playing fields as there was “much more space” and the park was not as close to houses.

“We will not be encroaching on any of the park amenities,” he said. “It’s ideal in that sense.”

He said Pill playing fields were no longer under consideration: “We have sent out emails to everybody we invited, from many, many different groups in this country and abroad. We told them Pill is not the site and they should await further instructions.

“I do believe a solution has been reached.”

 

 

UPDATE: Protesters have cancelled plans to camp on Pill playing fields for the duration of September’s Nato summit and are currently on site visits to Coronation Park and Tredegar Park to consider alternatives, a campaigner said.

Joyce Giblin from ‘No Nato Newport’ said she and other campaigners met council officers and representatives from the police and the fire brigade at the Civic Centre this afternoon.

She said protesters would be putting the word out that Pill playing fields were not an appropriate place to camp. 

“We will never involve the fields by Pill Millenium Centre”, she said. “That’s completely out. Anyone to do with CND or Greenpeace – there’s no way anybody will go on that site. If people want to go there they would have nothing to do with us and we would be very angry.”

This follows an impassioned public meeting at Pill Millennium Centre on Tuesday night when residents said the park, used by sports teams and local children in a residential area, was unsuitable for potentially 1000s of protesters to set up camp.

A spokesperson for the umbrella group ‘No Nato Newport’ posted on Facebook today: “There will be no peace camp in Pill by any of us.”

Campaigners are now scouting new sites - Newport council has not given them permission to be on any of its sites.

Mrs Giblin said: “A few people have gone to do a site visit to two proposed sites: Coronation Park and Tredegar Park.”

She said other sites including the Glebelands and Belle Vue Park had been ruled out by campaigners due to concerns about accessibility and water supplies.

A decision on the new location has not yet been made.

A Newport council spokeswoman said: "The council and partners have today met again with individual protesters regarding their intentions to hold a peace camp in Newport.

"They confirmed that they no longer intend to use Pill playing fields and a number of council-owned sites were raised by the protestors for discussion. They are still unclear of their intentions, are continuing to explore options and have committed to come back to the council with their preferences.

"Although the council were made aware some time ago of a general intention of holding a camp somewhere in Newport, no further details such as locations were provided. The first time that protesters announced their plans to locate a camp in Pill was at a meeting on July 27 which was being held to discuss protest marches in the city.

"The council asked if they would consider alternatives, but at no time made specific recommendations. The protester group at the time stated they would not be looking at other possible sites.

"The council have made clear at every stage that they have no legal duty to provide a camp. However, the priority for the council is to protect Newport citizens and property and we will continue to liaise with the protesters and consider the measures we can put in place to minimise possible disruption or damage."

 

 

 

A PROPOSED ‘peace camp’ set up by anti-NATO campaigners will no longer be pitched in Pill, a tweeter from No Nato Newport has claimed.

With three weeks to go until the summit at the Celtic Manor, the location of a ‘peace camp’ is still unclear.

When asked by Argus editor Kevin Ward if protesters still intended to camp on the Pill playing fields used by several local sports teams, the ‘No Nato Newport’ tweeter said: “No, Pill site was always unsuitable.”

It is not clear if the spokesperson is speaking on behalf of the whole group or not, so others could still intend to camp on the fields.

The anonymous person tweeting today from the ‘No Nato Newport’ account said the original decision to camp in Pill was made because the “council, in consultation with police were willing to facilitate toilets and water there.”

They said: “There will be a peace camp in Newport to confront NATO. The location is to be confirmed.”

At a public meeting at Pill Millennium Centre last night, campaigner Merel Prescott said she would no longer be camping in Pill but could not speak for others in the umbrella group ‘No Nato Newport’.

Chairwoman of the Pill Mill Tracey Holyoake said last night that the centre would close if protesters camped outside.

Meanwhile Rogerstone councillor Chris Evans said the issue of how to accommodate protesters “could have been dealt with better”.

“Newport is one of the birthplaces of modern democracy. We respect people's right to voice their opinions, and, let's remember, protesters need to eat too. Let's help put everyone's pounds in local traders’ tills.

As Paul Flynn has said, Pill isn't the right spot for a peace camp but what I won't endorse is protestors being kettled into some field in god knows where.

“We needed to embrace the challenges and also the golden opportunity Nato Wales presented from the start.

“We could have turned the whole protest thing into a 'festival of ideas' for example, embracing all opinions.”

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1:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dailoco says...

Maybe a site worth using for a peace camp could be Tredgar Park or use some of the traveler sites dotted around Gwent. At least the residents of Pill would be left in peace ( Pun intended )
Maybe a site worth using for a peace camp could be Tredgar Park or use some of the traveler sites dotted around Gwent. At least the residents of Pill would be left in peace ( Pun intended ) dailoco
  • Score: -30

1:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Oddjob says...

Why not use Coronation park!
Why not use Coronation park! Oddjob
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2:15pm Wed 13 Aug 14

bodlondon says...

Tredegar House has a campsite and facilities
Tredegar House has a campsite and facilities bodlondon
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2:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

I've heard there's simply acres of lush greenery going spare at Celtic Manor......
I've heard there's simply acres of lush greenery going spare at Celtic Manor...... KarloMarko
  • Score: 35

2:46pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

I hear Lundy is free. They could tele-conference the crusties who know better than everyone else into screens at the Celtic Manor. Get a live feed into the Dept of Work and Pensions too.
I hear Lundy is free. They could tele-conference the crusties who know better than everyone else into screens at the Celtic Manor. Get a live feed into the Dept of Work and Pensions too. Stevenboy
  • Score: 7

4:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Woodgnome says...

Tredegar House is now National Trust.
Who will pay for the clean up? It must not be council chargepayers of Newport or National Trust.
Tredegar House is now National Trust. Who will pay for the clean up? It must not be council chargepayers of Newport or National Trust. Woodgnome
  • Score: 26

4:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

MikeO4O8 says...

WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp. MikeO4O8
  • Score: 16

4:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

The Destroyer says...

It will be interesting to see if the "peace camp" gets hijacked by the anti everything league - if so, somewhere with plenty of CCTV would be best.
I do not doubt that there will be plenty of people who are sincere in their beliefs attending, however as we have seen in the past, these events usually end in riots with business people having to pick up the tab for the minority who wish to display their commitment to peace with bricks and bottles.
It will be interesting to see if the "peace camp" gets hijacked by the anti everything league - if so, somewhere with plenty of CCTV would be best. I do not doubt that there will be plenty of people who are sincere in their beliefs attending, however as we have seen in the past, these events usually end in riots with business people having to pick up the tab for the minority who wish to display their commitment to peace with bricks and bottles. The Destroyer
  • Score: 19

4:42pm Wed 13 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

You and I (British taxpayers) are picking up 15% of the £800 - 1000 million cost to build Nato a NEW ego trip prestige headquarters in uptown Brussels. "We have simply outgrown the old one". No-one here seems too bothered about THAT as they are too busy tugging their forelocks by the numbers.
You and I (British taxpayers) are picking up 15% of the £800 - 1000 million cost to build Nato a NEW ego trip prestige headquarters in uptown Brussels. "We have simply outgrown the old one". No-one here seems too bothered about THAT as they are too busy tugging their forelocks by the numbers. KarloMarko
  • Score: -9

4:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

KarloMarko wrote:
You and I (British taxpayers) are picking up 15% of the £800 - 1000 million cost to build Nato a NEW ego trip prestige headquarters in uptown Brussels. "We have simply outgrown the old one". No-one here seems too bothered about THAT as they are too busy tugging their forelocks by the numbers.
Around two thirds of the cost of the Scottish and Welsh parliament buildings then and yet we all sleep-walked through that one.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: You and I (British taxpayers) are picking up 15% of the £800 - 1000 million cost to build Nato a NEW ego trip prestige headquarters in uptown Brussels. "We have simply outgrown the old one". No-one here seems too bothered about THAT as they are too busy tugging their forelocks by the numbers.[/p][/quote]Around two thirds of the cost of the Scottish and Welsh parliament buildings then and yet we all sleep-walked through that one. Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

5:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

AB says...

I must be missing something or I am totally stupid. NATO was set up post WW2 as an organisation to ensure peace may be maintained. Subsequently NATO peacekeeping forces have been deployed throughout the world to assist those beng opressed. Therfore those whom engage in NATO peace protests may be considered as being set against peace.
I must be missing something or I am totally stupid. NATO was set up post WW2 as an organisation to ensure peace may be maintained. Subsequently NATO peacekeeping forces have been deployed throughout the world to assist those beng opressed. Therfore those whom engage in NATO peace protests may be considered as being set against peace. AB
  • Score: 29

5:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.
Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice. KarloMarko
  • Score: -4

5:54pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Dano1967 says...

There is always going to be trouble associated with this summit. Google the Chicago NATO 2012.
I would think there will be more than enough police to handle it. But you wouldn't really want to live anywhere near a so called 'Peace camp' would you?
There is always going to be trouble associated with this summit. Google the Chicago NATO 2012. I would think there will be more than enough police to handle it. But you wouldn't really want to live anywhere near a so called 'Peace camp' would you? Dano1967
  • Score: 12

6:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

welsh_n_proud says...

Why should they be at Tredegar Park? So now our kids won't be able to go there to play, and I can only imagine the state it will be in when they leave. They should be HIRING a private campsite and paying for the privilege, ot having a free campsite and no doubt leaving it half destroyed by the tie they leave. Find somewhere else!
Why should they be at Tredegar Park? So now our kids won't be able to go there to play, and I can only imagine the state it will be in when they leave. They should be HIRING a private campsite and paying for the privilege, ot having a free campsite and no doubt leaving it half destroyed by the tie they leave. Find somewhere else! welsh_n_proud
  • Score: 17

6:33pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Frankfurt says...

AB wrote:
I must be missing something or I am totally stupid. NATO was set up post WW2 as an organisation to ensure peace may be maintained. Subsequently NATO peacekeeping forces have been deployed throughout the world to assist those beng opressed. Therfore those whom engage in NATO peace protests may be considered as being set against peace.
Until this Newport event was announced and people starting campaigning against it, it hadn't occurred to me that anyone would object to NATO since it exists for our protection and has helped keep the peace for 70 years. I wonder if some people are confusing NATO with the Anglo/American invasion of Iraq. That was not NATO and was opposed by many NATO members.

I wonder if they would like us to try non-violent conflict resolution on ISIS before they bury us alive. Which they would do if they had the chance.
[quote][p][bold]AB[/bold] wrote: I must be missing something or I am totally stupid. NATO was set up post WW2 as an organisation to ensure peace may be maintained. Subsequently NATO peacekeeping forces have been deployed throughout the world to assist those beng opressed. Therfore those whom engage in NATO peace protests may be considered as being set against peace.[/p][/quote]Until this Newport event was announced and people starting campaigning against it, it hadn't occurred to me that anyone would object to NATO since it exists for our protection and has helped keep the peace for 70 years. I wonder if some people are confusing NATO with the Anglo/American invasion of Iraq. That was not NATO and was opposed by many NATO members. I wonder if they would like us to try non-violent conflict resolution on ISIS before they bury us alive. Which they would do if they had the chance. Frankfurt
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6:44pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DavidMclean says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
I totally agree. And if we could invent a time machine we could also go back and stop those pesky Chartists as well.
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. And if we could invent a time machine we could also go back and stop those pesky Chartists as well. DavidMclean
  • Score: -1

6:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

DavidMclean says...

KarloMarko wrote:
You and I (British taxpayers) are picking up 15% of the £800 - 1000 million cost to build Nato a NEW ego trip prestige headquarters in uptown Brussels. "We have simply outgrown the old one". No-one here seems too bothered about THAT as they are too busy tugging their forelocks by the numbers.
Oh do stop talking nonsense.

To hell with the sacrifice our grandfathers made in two World Wars to protect our freedoms and right to voice dissent. We should be more like the Taliban where speaking out is met with brutal justice. And to hell with historical nonsense like the Chartists. The average man doesn't deserve a vote anyway and only the privileged classes should be allowed a vote or a job in government. We MUST NOT speak out against Obama, Cameron, Merkel etc. They are all doing a fine job and it's right that we tax payers pay millions of £££££s to let them have their little summit thingie. The idea that a tiny fraction of such an amount should go to helping the average person have a say is just nonsense.

Hope you feel you've been put in your place ;-)
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: You and I (British taxpayers) are picking up 15% of the £800 - 1000 million cost to build Nato a NEW ego trip prestige headquarters in uptown Brussels. "We have simply outgrown the old one". No-one here seems too bothered about THAT as they are too busy tugging their forelocks by the numbers.[/p][/quote]Oh do stop talking nonsense. To hell with the sacrifice our grandfathers made in two World Wars to protect our freedoms and right to voice dissent. We should be more like the Taliban where speaking out is met with brutal justice. And to hell with historical nonsense like the Chartists. The average man doesn't deserve a vote anyway and only the privileged classes should be allowed a vote or a job in government. We MUST NOT speak out against Obama, Cameron, Merkel etc. They are all doing a fine job and it's right that we tax payers pay millions of £££££s to let them have their little summit thingie. The idea that a tiny fraction of such an amount should go to helping the average person have a say is just nonsense. Hope you feel you've been put in your place ;-) DavidMclean
  • Score: -6

7:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Indeed. The one useful thing that the Nato Newport farce "could" do is to open up a serious debate on the disasters of US/UK foreign policy. Iraq and Afghanistan etc et al were not "accidents", they were deliberate and fully predicted even by those within government. Why else do you think Chilcot has be stalled and obstructed for years. This won't happen because in Toy Town we have glove puppet local and national politcians and "Spitfire flypasts" direct from Boys Own 1956. Who the Gods wish to destroy etc. they lay on a circus for the infants.
Indeed. The one useful thing that the Nato Newport farce "could" do is to open up a serious debate on the disasters of US/UK foreign policy. Iraq and Afghanistan etc et al were not "accidents", they were deliberate and fully predicted even by those within government. Why else do you think Chilcot has be stalled and obstructed for years. This won't happen because in Toy Town we have glove puppet local and national politcians and "Spitfire flypasts" direct from Boys Own 1956. Who the Gods wish to destroy etc. they lay on a circus for the infants. KarloMarko
  • Score: -6

7:24pm Wed 13 Aug 14

GogExile says...

DavidMclean wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
I totally agree. And if we could invent a time machine we could also go back and stop those pesky Chartists as well.
I didn't realise the Chartists demanded a free campsite, ablutions and refuse collection. Sickeningly arrogant that you demean their sacrifices by comparing it to this protest. Although, you could try and storm Celtic Manor with all those armed guards but you'll probably sit in a drum circle 5 miles away instead and pat each other on the back for being sooooo radical.
[quote][p][bold]DavidMclean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp.[/p][/quote]I totally agree. And if we could invent a time machine we could also go back and stop those pesky Chartists as well.[/p][/quote]I didn't realise the Chartists demanded a free campsite, ablutions and refuse collection. Sickeningly arrogant that you demean their sacrifices by comparing it to this protest. Although, you could try and storm Celtic Manor with all those armed guards but you'll probably sit in a drum circle 5 miles away instead and pat each other on the back for being sooooo radical. GogExile
  • Score: 20

8:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.
Tell us what you' d do. Your welter of negativity exceeds mine by a good mile, but least you know I think NATO benign, in general, the public sector engrossed etc., but have never read you express a positive thought about a single thing. You're like the 2 grumpy old guys in the Muppets
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.[/p][/quote]Tell us what you' d do. Your welter of negativity exceeds mine by a good mile, but least you know I think NATO benign, in general, the public sector engrossed etc., but have never read you express a positive thought about a single thing. You're like the 2 grumpy old guys in the Muppets Dai Rear
  • Score: 9

8:09pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Jack Land says...

Why can't they go to camp sites and PAY to stay at them, like the rest of us mere law-abiding mortals?
Why can't they go to camp sites and PAY to stay at them, like the rest of us mere law-abiding mortals? Jack Land
  • Score: 10

9:07pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Paxman's Army says...

Has the National Trust given its ok for this?
Has the National Trust given its ok for this? Paxman's Army
  • Score: -4

10:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

sword of truth says...

Paxman's Army says...

Has the National Trust given its ok for this?

If you aren't local then we can forgive. Try Googling Tredegar Park v Tredegar House
Paxman's Army says... Has the National Trust given its ok for this? If you aren't local then we can forgive. Try Googling Tredegar Park v Tredegar House sword of truth
  • Score: 12

11:05pm Wed 13 Aug 14

sword of truth says...

KarloMarko says...

Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.

You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in.
Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'.
Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom
ic dominance)
The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.
KarloMarko says... Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice. You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in. Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'. Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom ic dominance) The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again. sword of truth
  • Score: -12

8:10am Thu 14 Aug 14

displayed says...

Well there on their way............

AS for using the"park", ur gonna have the protestors, their families, the infiltrators, agitators, urban insurgents, eco warriors, rentamob (all intent on causing mayhem) the media, so catering facilities will b needed along with sanitation etc.

The road is the main access route to Cardiff, Caerphilly the M4 an all points North and the entrance to Newport City.

I doth protest!

The traffic is bad enuff now.................
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Well there on their way............ AS for using the"park", ur gonna have the protestors, their families, the infiltrators, agitators, urban insurgents, eco warriors, rentamob (all intent on causing mayhem) the media, so catering facilities will b needed along with sanitation etc. The road is the main access route to Cardiff, Caerphilly the M4 an all points North and the entrance to Newport City. I doth protest! The traffic is bad enuff now................. ............ displayed
  • Score: 6

10:05am Thu 14 Aug 14

Evil Flanker says...

MikeO4O8 wrote:
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over!

To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression.

Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it.

I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free!
[quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp.[/p][/quote]Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over! To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression. Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it. I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free! Evil Flanker
  • Score: 1

1:19pm Thu 14 Aug 14

The Destroyer says...

Evil Flanker wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over!

To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression.

Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it.

I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free!
And you probably have an argument that would support the rioters who deface the memorials to those who fell in WW2, and those who deface statues of Churchill.
[quote][p][bold]Evil Flanker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp.[/p][/quote]Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over! To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression. Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it. I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free![/p][/quote]And you probably have an argument that would support the rioters who deface the memorials to those who fell in WW2, and those who deface statues of Churchill. The Destroyer
  • Score: 2

2:06pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Evil Flanker says...

The Destroyer wrote:
Evil Flanker wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over!

To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression.

Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it.

I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free!
And you probably have an argument that would support the rioters who deface the memorials to those who fell in WW2, and those who deface statues of Churchill.
Until the event happens what you're saying is pure supposition, until actual vandalism happens NO crime has been commited..

Nothing has been defaced, nothing has been vandalised, so keep your pre-event accusations out of the argument as they are not relevant.

The fact is, it our right living in a free country to peacfully protest despite your arguments that have NOT happened.

They faught for our freedom of speech against tyrannical oppressors, that's the facts here and it is legal.

Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement!
[quote][p][bold]The Destroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Evil Flanker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp.[/p][/quote]Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over! To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression. Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it. I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free![/p][/quote]And you probably have an argument that would support the rioters who deface the memorials to those who fell in WW2, and those who deface statues of Churchill.[/p][/quote]Until the event happens what you're saying is pure supposition, until actual vandalism happens NO crime has been commited.. Nothing has been defaced, nothing has been vandalised, so keep your pre-event accusations out of the argument as they are not relevant. The fact is, it our right living in a free country to peacfully protest despite your arguments that have NOT happened. They faught for our freedom of speech against tyrannical oppressors, that's the facts here and it is legal. Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement! Evil Flanker
  • Score: -3

2:58pm Thu 14 Aug 14

displayed says...

"Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement!"

How can u have a "peaceful protest"!
The phrase is an oxymoron...

You cant have a "peaceful" protest", the two words and meanings are total opposites:

Peaceful:
free from disturbance; tranquil.
"his peaceful mood vanished"
synonyms: tranquil, calm, restful, pleasant, quiet, still, relaxing, soothing, sleepy, silent, soundless, hushed, noiseless, undisturbed, untroubled, private, secluded, solitary, isolated, free from disturbance/interrup
tion
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Protest:
a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something.
"the British team lodged an official protest"
synonyms: objection, exception, complaint, disapproval, disagreement, opposition, challenge, dissent, demurral, remonstration, expostulation, fuss, outcry.

Nuff sed!
"Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement!" How can u have a "peaceful protest"! The phrase is an oxymoron... You cant have a "peaceful" protest", the two words and meanings are total opposites: Peaceful: free from disturbance; tranquil. "his peaceful mood vanished" synonyms: tranquil, calm, restful, pleasant, quiet, still, relaxing, soothing, sleepy, silent, soundless, hushed, noiseless, undisturbed, untroubled, private, secluded, solitary, isolated, free from disturbance/interrup tion ******************** ******************** ******************** Protest: a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something. "the British team lodged an official protest" synonyms: objection, exception, complaint, disapproval, disagreement, opposition, challenge, dissent, demurral, remonstration, expostulation, fuss, outcry. Nuff sed! displayed
  • Score: -2

3:04pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Evil Flanker says...

You sir are a fool, you can express disapproval peacefully!
You sir are a fool, you can express disapproval peacefully! Evil Flanker
  • Score: 1

3:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

The Destroyer says...

Evil Flanker wrote:
The Destroyer wrote:
Evil Flanker wrote:
MikeO4O8 wrote:
WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway.

better off calling it a rioters camp.
Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over!

To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression.

Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it.

I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free!
And you probably have an argument that would support the rioters who deface the memorials to those who fell in WW2, and those who deface statues of Churchill.
Until the event happens what you're saying is pure supposition, until actual vandalism happens NO crime has been commited..

Nothing has been defaced, nothing has been vandalised, so keep your pre-event accusations out of the argument as they are not relevant.

The fact is, it our right living in a free country to peacfully protest despite your arguments that have NOT happened.

They faught for our freedom of speech against tyrannical oppressors, that's the facts here and it is legal.

Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement!
Let wait and see shall we.
Let hope there is no battle FOUGHT!
[quote][p][bold]Evil Flanker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Destroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Evil Flanker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeO4O8[/bold] wrote: WHY should we even give them a peace camp?? better still why should we (the tax payers) have to pay for it, i doubt there is going to be any ''Peace'' anyway. better off calling it a rioters camp.[/p][/quote]Because it's the legal right of every UK resident to peacefully protest againts things they find wrong in society, you know what wars have been faught over! To keep our country reletively free of tyranny and oppression. Maybe you're in favour of removing rights in society, in which case you're part of the problem with it. I for one value my rights that WW2 veterans gave their lives for to protect and keep us free![/p][/quote]And you probably have an argument that would support the rioters who deface the memorials to those who fell in WW2, and those who deface statues of Churchill.[/p][/quote]Until the event happens what you're saying is pure supposition, until actual vandalism happens NO crime has been commited.. Nothing has been defaced, nothing has been vandalised, so keep your pre-event accusations out of the argument as they are not relevant. The fact is, it our right living in a free country to peacfully protest despite your arguments that have NOT happened. They faught for our freedom of speech against tyrannical oppressors, that's the facts here and it is legal. Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement![/p][/quote]Let wait and see shall we. Let hope there is no battle FOUGHT! The Destroyer
  • Score: 2

4:09pm Thu 14 Aug 14

The Destroyer says...

sword of truth wrote:
KarloMarko says...

Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.

You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in.
Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'.
Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom

ic dominance)
The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.
The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.
[quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: KarloMarko says... Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice. You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in. Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'. Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom ic dominance) The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.[/p][/quote]The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money. The Destroyer
  • Score: 4

10:30pm Thu 14 Aug 14

displayed says...

Evil Flanker wrote:
You sir are a fool, you can express disapproval peacefully!
"Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement!"

Exactly!
[quote][p][bold]Evil Flanker[/bold] wrote: You sir are a fool, you can express disapproval peacefully![/p][/quote]"Also how can you possibly compare a RIOT to a peacefull protest, utterly insane statement!" Exactly! displayed
  • Score: 2

8:36am Fri 15 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

The Destroyer wrote:
sword of truth wrote:
KarloMarko says...

Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.

You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in.
Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'.
Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom


ic dominance)
The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.
The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.
Absolutely correct. The beardy smellies mooing in Grosvenor Square, the criminal Fonda and all the considerably nastier elements on both sides of the Atlantic calling themselves "yippees" "peace protesters", whatever, made not one iota of difference. Go to Sarasota, look at the memorial, not many men in 17-18, more in 41-45 but not that many- columns and columns in Vietnam.
But it had a good side. It, Star wars and their adventure in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its end and removed at least that threat of annihilation.
[quote][p][bold]The Destroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: KarloMarko says... Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice. You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in. Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'. Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom ic dominance) The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.[/p][/quote]The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct. The beardy smellies mooing in Grosvenor Square, the criminal Fonda and all the considerably nastier elements on both sides of the Atlantic calling themselves "yippees" "peace protesters", whatever, made not one iota of difference. Go to Sarasota, look at the memorial, not many men in 17-18, more in 41-45 but not that many- columns and columns in Vietnam. But it had a good side. It, Star wars and their adventure in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its end and removed at least that threat of annihilation. Dai Rear
  • Score: 3

4:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

Dai Rear wrote:
The Destroyer wrote:
sword of truth wrote:
KarloMarko says...

Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.

You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in.
Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'.
Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom



ic dominance)
The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.
The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.
Absolutely correct. The beardy smellies mooing in Grosvenor Square, the criminal Fonda and all the considerably nastier elements on both sides of the Atlantic calling themselves "yippees" "peace protesters", whatever, made not one iota of difference. Go to Sarasota, look at the memorial, not many men in 17-18, more in 41-45 but not that many- columns and columns in Vietnam.
But it had a good side. It, Star wars and their adventure in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its end and removed at least that threat of annihilation.
Hey Dianna, take that back. Mrs Welshmen was in Grosvenor Square. Yeah, she got a beard, but she not smelly. Welshmen he be cross with you at next Klan rally. He burn your cross and pull your hood for wot you says about his missus. She good woman, she a peace protestor, and she raise money for Palestinians. Welshmen help her, but he no want people to know that.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Destroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: KarloMarko says... Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice. You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in. Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'. Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom ic dominance) The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.[/p][/quote]The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct. The beardy smellies mooing in Grosvenor Square, the criminal Fonda and all the considerably nastier elements on both sides of the Atlantic calling themselves "yippees" "peace protesters", whatever, made not one iota of difference. Go to Sarasota, look at the memorial, not many men in 17-18, more in 41-45 but not that many- columns and columns in Vietnam. But it had a good side. It, Star wars and their adventure in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its end and removed at least that threat of annihilation.[/p][/quote]Hey Dianna, take that back. Mrs Welshmen was in Grosvenor Square. Yeah, she got a beard, but she not smelly. Welshmen he be cross with you at next Klan rally. He burn your cross and pull your hood for wot you says about his missus. She good woman, she a peace protestor, and she raise money for Palestinians. Welshmen help her, but he no want people to know that. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -3

4:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
The Destroyer wrote:
sword of truth wrote:
KarloMarko says...

Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice.

You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in.
Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'.
Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom




ic dominance)
The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.
The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.
Absolutely correct. The beardy smellies mooing in Grosvenor Square, the criminal Fonda and all the considerably nastier elements on both sides of the Atlantic calling themselves "yippees" "peace protesters", whatever, made not one iota of difference. Go to Sarasota, look at the memorial, not many men in 17-18, more in 41-45 but not that many- columns and columns in Vietnam.
But it had a good side. It, Star wars and their adventure in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its end and removed at least that threat of annihilation.
Hey Dianna, take that back. Mrs Welshmen was in Grosvenor Square. Yeah, she got a beard, but she not smelly. Welshmen he be cross with you at next Klan rally. He burn your cross and pull your hood for wot you says about his missus. She good woman, she a peace protestor, and she raise money for Palestinians. Welshmen help her, but he no want people to know that.
No - 2 lamb tikka masalas and one onion bhaji. No poppadum. We didn't ask for poppadum.
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Destroyer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sword of truth[/bold] wrote: KarloMarko says... Nato's role and rationale is the advancement of US interests. Even its European members privately (Wikileaks) concede that in full. They pimp for America for prestige, career and "influence". An influence that means that they are unable to break wind without checking with the White House that the fan's on. The result has been the multiple disasters of Afghanistan, Iraq (coalition), Libya, Syria et al. that we are still paying for. US foreign policy begat Isis, Iraq's invasion begat 7/7. Libya's collapse begat a weapons surge across the region, US pump funding and bank rolling Israel begat Gaza. And on and on. Rejoice. You wont find a better rationale, why you, me and everyone has a moral duty to get out and wreck this circus that is sucking up our taxes and leaving us collectively more insecure and hated by the developing nations. NATO is an anachronism that may have provided succour against the Soviet threat in the 40/50's but is farcical in the times that we live in. Most of the posters on here are worried about 'the blocked roads' the closed schools' ' the litter, graffiti that the protesters may leave'. Well I suggest that you all get off your Strictly, Britain 's Got X Factor, Jungle a*ses and appreciate some of the injustices and massacres being perpetrated in OUR name, by OUR politicians, using OUR taxes to protect Western (US) interests(oil/econom ic dominance) The impassioned anti Vietnam War protesters in the 60's got a 'RESULT' . We can do it again.[/p][/quote]The Vietnam war did not end until 75 - the end brought about more by the fact that the US people themselves were fed up of the cost both in terms of life and money.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct. The beardy smellies mooing in Grosvenor Square, the criminal Fonda and all the considerably nastier elements on both sides of the Atlantic calling themselves "yippees" "peace protesters", whatever, made not one iota of difference. Go to Sarasota, look at the memorial, not many men in 17-18, more in 41-45 but not that many- columns and columns in Vietnam. But it had a good side. It, Star wars and their adventure in Afghanistan brought the Soviet Union to its end and removed at least that threat of annihilation.[/p][/quote]Hey Dianna, take that back. Mrs Welshmen was in Grosvenor Square. Yeah, she got a beard, but she not smelly. Welshmen he be cross with you at next Klan rally. He burn your cross and pull your hood for wot you says about his missus. She good woman, she a peace protestor, and she raise money for Palestinians. Welshmen help her, but he no want people to know that.[/p][/quote]No - 2 lamb tikka masalas and one onion bhaji. No poppadum. We didn't ask for poppadum. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

11:23am Sun 17 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

From what we read, the peace campaigners have gone to great lengths not to upset anyone, it was the Pill residents and moaners who joined in later. Ideally and as most in Wales do not want NATO here, they should have gone elsewhere, nobody asked us in Wales IF we wanted a NATO meeting here. It's a publicity gig for the political losers that run wales hoping some kudos rubs off on them... Sadly as with any large gathering of people, you will get trouble-makers., you won't find peace camp members who are.
From what we read, the peace campaigners have gone to great lengths not to upset anyone, it was the Pill residents and moaners who joined in later. Ideally and as most in Wales do not want NATO here, they should have gone elsewhere, nobody asked us in Wales IF we wanted a NATO meeting here. It's a publicity gig for the political losers that run wales hoping some kudos rubs off on them... Sadly as with any large gathering of people, you will get trouble-makers., you won't find peace camp members who are. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

11:45am Sun 17 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

Mervyn James wrote:
From what we read, the peace campaigners have gone to great lengths not to upset anyone, it was the Pill residents and moaners who joined in later. Ideally and as most in Wales do not want NATO here, they should have gone elsewhere, nobody asked us in Wales IF we wanted a NATO meeting here. It's a publicity gig for the political losers that run wales hoping some kudos rubs off on them... Sadly as with any large gathering of people, you will get trouble-makers., you won't find peace camp members who are.
I would be very surprised if to "most of Wales" the issue was not of considerably less importance-one way or the other-than the result of the "bake-off" Equally, you have no more idea than anyone else whether trouble makers will have attached them selves to the "Peace Camp". After all, useful idiots are just that-usable.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: From what we read, the peace campaigners have gone to great lengths not to upset anyone, it was the Pill residents and moaners who joined in later. Ideally and as most in Wales do not want NATO here, they should have gone elsewhere, nobody asked us in Wales IF we wanted a NATO meeting here. It's a publicity gig for the political losers that run wales hoping some kudos rubs off on them... Sadly as with any large gathering of people, you will get trouble-makers., you won't find peace camp members who are.[/p][/quote]I would be very surprised if to "most of Wales" the issue was not of considerably less importance-one way or the other-than the result of the "bake-off" Equally, you have no more idea than anyone else whether trouble makers will have attached them selves to the "Peace Camp". After all, useful idiots are just that-usable. Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Fri 22 Aug 14

sallyw says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
From what we read, the peace campaigners have gone to great lengths not to upset anyone, it was the Pill residents and moaners who joined in later. Ideally and as most in Wales do not want NATO here, they should have gone elsewhere, nobody asked us in Wales IF we wanted a NATO meeting here. It's a publicity gig for the political losers that run wales hoping some kudos rubs off on them... Sadly as with any large gathering of people, you will get trouble-makers., you won't find peace camp members who are.
I would be very surprised if to "most of Wales" the issue was not of considerably less importance-one way or the other-than the result of the "bake-off" Equally, you have no more idea than anyone else whether trouble makers will have attached them selves to the "Peace Camp". After all, useful idiots are just that-usable.
The people of Pill were rightly upset as there was no consultation, but the main reason was because the park was totally unsuitable for it. The only green space in the middle of a built-up residential area, used for recreation and surrounded by houses, schools and nursing homes. The peace camp organisers were also mislead, but fortunately they completely understood the situation. If we had a park the size of Tredegar park it wouldn't have been a problem.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: From what we read, the peace campaigners have gone to great lengths not to upset anyone, it was the Pill residents and moaners who joined in later. Ideally and as most in Wales do not want NATO here, they should have gone elsewhere, nobody asked us in Wales IF we wanted a NATO meeting here. It's a publicity gig for the political losers that run wales hoping some kudos rubs off on them... Sadly as with any large gathering of people, you will get trouble-makers., you won't find peace camp members who are.[/p][/quote]I would be very surprised if to "most of Wales" the issue was not of considerably less importance-one way or the other-than the result of the "bake-off" Equally, you have no more idea than anyone else whether trouble makers will have attached them selves to the "Peace Camp". After all, useful idiots are just that-usable.[/p][/quote]The people of Pill were rightly upset as there was no consultation, but the main reason was because the park was totally unsuitable for it. The only green space in the middle of a built-up residential area, used for recreation and surrounded by houses, schools and nursing homes. The peace camp organisers were also mislead, but fortunately they completely understood the situation. If we had a park the size of Tredegar park it wouldn't have been a problem. sallyw
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