No Nato Newport apologises to the people of Pill over peace camp furore

Public meeting held at Pill Millennium Centre regarding the NATO Pill Peace Camp. (9221235)

Public meeting held at Pill Millennium Centre regarding the NATO Pill Peace Camp. (9221235)

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PROTEST group No Nato Newport issued an apology on its Facebook feed late last night after the furore surrounding their plans for a pace camp in Pill.

Those plans have now been abandoned.

The statement said: "No Nato Newport was initially set up in the New Year in response to the decision to host the Nato summit in Newport.

"Historically (the) Nato summit attracts peace protesters from all over the world, invited or not.

"Public opinion of war has shifted in recent years, with the failure, though financially lucrative for a few, of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Nato is increasingly being viewed as a vehicle for US foreign policy into Europe and one that unsettles rather than keeps the peace. Additionally, many of the leaders within Nato are those that are inflicting increasing poverty within their own countries with austerity agendas, whilst spending billions of tax payers' money on the profitable business of war.

"We wanted to ensure these protests where organised by local people, those who know the area and wanted to ensure unlike those attending the Nato summit that the protesters spent their money within Newport, so it didn’t prove to be another lost economic opportunity for Newport, such as the Ryder Cup. We have grown to become a coalition of organisation, unions and individuals and over 100 have become signatories to our statement www.nonatonewport.org. We are a non-hierarchal group, no one person holds the power, and decisions are made by consensus.

"Therefore no one person holds the blame, some individuals have been publicly criticised for decisions made, which is wrong.

"In March it was decided that the main counter summit would be in Cardiff Bay City Hall, as the labour council there (and two of the three opposition parties) support our cause. Therefore a number of campaign members concerned that Newport was losing out, decided to book a local venue, for a more family friendly event. We booked Pill Millennium Centre as a community run venue. At this point a peace camp site had not been decided. We felt this needed to be a legal site with basic needs, such as sanitation provided by the council. In a democratic society if Nato can be so lavishly facilitated at our expense, why can’t the protesters as visitors to our city be welcome with very basic needs? Our solicitors Watkins & Gunn wrote to council requesting this, but the request was refused; we tried again to the same response. This took a long period of time, during this time we was waiting for a response from the council to advise us on the siting of the peace camp.

"Early in July as time caught up with us, we felt this was becoming a matter of urgency. At a meeting with police regarding the protest march it was raised. Tredegar Park and Pillgwenlly field were suggested as options. Contrary to reports we didn’t refuse Tredegar Park, we chose Pill fields for 3 reasons. 1. As a central location it made sense to the economic benefit to the city and walking distance from the train station. 2. As by now our booking of Pill Millennium Centre had grown from 1 day to 4 days of activities. 3. We genuinely believed this would offer the community hosting our activities so much more, breakfast and dinner served free of charge to anyone welcome, activities run by police checked professions to children and young people such as conflict resolutions to name but a few.

"We hold our hands up, this was naïve and we did not expect the reaction that followed. Communication started at that point with Newport City Council, we wrongly assumed they communicated with local Councillors. Members of No Nato Newport immediately started some outreach in the Pill community to engage the residents in our plans. The fraction of the community we spoke to were positive about our plans.

"Members of the campaign met before the residents meeting in Pill Millennium Centre, to discuss how to proceed. We agreed now knowing how important Pill fields are to residents and understanding their legitimate concerns, we felt that it was not appropriate to continue with plan for a peace camp in this location. A consensus vote was met. We compiled a statement to explain to the residents how to we got to this point, hopefully to dispel myths and set the record straight. Due to the heated atmosphere of the meeting this statement was not read, hence the feeling of confusion afterwards.

"Since this meeting members of the campaign have met with the council and plans has been established to host the Peace Camp in Tredegar Park.

"We whole heartedly apologise to the residents of Pill, no intention to upset or force a Peace Camp was ever intended."

Members of No Nato Newport

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11:35am Thu 14 Aug 14

Woodgnome says...

Quite right it's not in Pill.
Tredegar Park now is it? OK, so the taxpayers of Newport will pay for the clean up?? Thanks very much Newport Council.
Quite right it's not in Pill. Tredegar Park now is it? OK, so the taxpayers of Newport will pay for the clean up?? Thanks very much Newport Council. Woodgnome
  • Score: 13

2:05pm Thu 14 Aug 14

b3talover says...

Woodgnome wrote:
Quite right it's not in Pill.
Tredegar Park now is it? OK, so the taxpayers of Newport will pay for the clean up?? Thanks very much Newport Council.
Apparently, the protestors are going to have a whip round to offset any costs to the council. Although, I'm not sure what use the council will have for 20 gallons of lentil soup and a lorry load of home made carrot cake. ;)
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: Quite right it's not in Pill. Tredegar Park now is it? OK, so the taxpayers of Newport will pay for the clean up?? Thanks very much Newport Council.[/p][/quote]Apparently, the protestors are going to have a whip round to offset any costs to the council. Although, I'm not sure what use the council will have for 20 gallons of lentil soup and a lorry load of home made carrot cake. ;) b3talover
  • Score: 8

2:50pm Thu 14 Aug 14

sallyw says...

The Pill Park campaign was never against the peace campaigners, only the unsuitability of the proposed site. Once they realised the concerns of the residents they quickly did everything they could to resolve the issues.
The Pill Park campaign was never against the peace campaigners, only the unsuitability of the proposed site. Once they realised the concerns of the residents they quickly did everything they could to resolve the issues. sallyw
  • Score: 12

4:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

bodlondon says...

I think that the people of Pill, their councillors and the No NATO members who were involved in discussions should be congratulated on reaching a suitable compromise & one that works out well for all concerned
I think that the people of Pill, their councillors and the No NATO members who were involved in discussions should be congratulated on reaching a suitable compromise & one that works out well for all concerned bodlondon
  • Score: 16

4:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Bobevans says...

Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work
Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work Bobevans
  • Score: -8

6:17pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

I don't think anyone could complain about any group or individuals campaigning for peace. From the above statement No-NATO Newport seem a well meaning group. What seems to have gone wrong is communication of exactly who the group are and what the group were intending - especially any costs to Newport council and most importantly security plans to keep out undesirables to protect people and property. Fears were further aroused by the misleading booking of Pill Mill by Pippa.
I don't think anyone could complain about any group or individuals campaigning for peace. From the above statement No-NATO Newport seem a well meaning group. What seems to have gone wrong is communication of exactly who the group are and what the group were intending - especially any costs to Newport council and most importantly security plans to keep out undesirables to protect people and property. Fears were further aroused by the misleading booking of Pill Mill by Pippa. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 9

6:22pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Magor says...

Just call off any protests,nothing will change and NATO will go on.The losers will be Newport residents if it turns violent and property is damaged.
Just call off any protests,nothing will change and NATO will go on.The losers will be Newport residents if it turns violent and property is damaged. Magor
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Thu 14 Aug 14

b3talover says...

Bobevans wrote:
Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work
Eh?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work[/p][/quote]Eh? b3talover
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Thu 14 Aug 14

NAC123 says...

A farmer at the back of the celtic manor has apparently got a surface to air missile launcher in his front garden - that is scary!!
A farmer at the back of the celtic manor has apparently got a surface to air missile launcher in his front garden - that is scary!! NAC123
  • Score: 0

12:17am Fri 15 Aug 14

Diamondeyes says...

Bobevans wrote:
Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work
What an incredibly prejudiced and assumptous comment to make. Why do you seem to think we don't work? The vast majority of the group do work fulltime, just when they clock off at the end of the day they don't sit of their backsides waiting for the next day to roll in!
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work[/p][/quote]What an incredibly prejudiced and assumptous comment to make. Why do you seem to think we don't work? The vast majority of the group do work fulltime, just when they clock off at the end of the day they don't sit of their backsides waiting for the next day to roll in! Diamondeyes
  • Score: -2

1:12am Fri 15 Aug 14

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work
Peace and love Bobby Boy, peace and love.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work[/p][/quote]Peace and love Bobby Boy, peace and love. Howie'
  • Score: -3

10:36am Fri 15 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

Diamondeyes wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work
What an incredibly prejudiced and assumptous comment to make. Why do you seem to think we don't work? The vast majority of the group do work fulltime, just when they clock off at the end of the day they don't sit of their backsides waiting for the next day to roll in!
Oh very prejudiced-after all who ever heard of an unemployed Greenham Common gobber, an unemployed animal terrorist gobber, an unemployed campaign for Unilateral Western disarmament gobber? And "assumptous" is wonderful. It must have something to do with today being the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, but what?
"In a democratic society if Nato can be so lavishly facilitated at our expense, why can’t the protesters as visitors to our city be welcome with very basic needs? "
You just don't get it do you? The entitlement society has permeated your very beings.
[quote][p][bold]Diamondeyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work[/p][/quote]What an incredibly prejudiced and assumptous comment to make. Why do you seem to think we don't work? The vast majority of the group do work fulltime, just when they clock off at the end of the day they don't sit of their backsides waiting for the next day to roll in![/p][/quote]Oh very prejudiced-after all who ever heard of an unemployed Greenham Common gobber, an unemployed animal terrorist gobber, an unemployed campaign for Unilateral Western disarmament gobber? And "assumptous" is wonderful. It must have something to do with today being the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, but what? "In a democratic society if Nato can be so lavishly facilitated at our expense, why can’t the protesters as visitors to our city be welcome with very basic needs? " You just don't get it do you? The entitlement society has permeated your very beings. Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Diamondeyes wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work
What an incredibly prejudiced and assumptous comment to make. Why do you seem to think we don't work? The vast majority of the group do work fulltime, just when they clock off at the end of the day they don't sit of their backsides waiting for the next day to roll in!
Oh very prejudiced-after all who ever heard of an unemployed Greenham Common gobber, an unemployed animal terrorist gobber, an unemployed campaign for Unilateral Western disarmament gobber? And "assumptous" is wonderful. It must have something to do with today being the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, but what?
"In a democratic society if Nato can be so lavishly facilitated at our expense, why can’t the protesters as visitors to our city be welcome with very basic needs? "
You just don't get it do you? The entitlement society has permeated your very beings.
Fair comment
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Diamondeyes[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Simple way to get rid of them is to stop their benefits as they cannot reasonably be said to be looking for work[/p][/quote]What an incredibly prejudiced and assumptous comment to make. Why do you seem to think we don't work? The vast majority of the group do work fulltime, just when they clock off at the end of the day they don't sit of their backsides waiting for the next day to roll in![/p][/quote]Oh very prejudiced-after all who ever heard of an unemployed Greenham Common gobber, an unemployed animal terrorist gobber, an unemployed campaign for Unilateral Western disarmament gobber? And "assumptous" is wonderful. It must have something to do with today being the Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, but what? "In a democratic society if Nato can be so lavishly facilitated at our expense, why can’t the protesters as visitors to our city be welcome with very basic needs? " You just don't get it do you? The entitlement society has permeated your very beings.[/p][/quote]Fair comment Stevenboy
  • Score: 8

3:12pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Torfaenwr says...

Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest. Hosting protesters is an integral part of hosting this inevitably controversial event. If you don't like it, then you yourself should be raising your own voice to protest about the meeting happening here: why not complain to your representatives instead of whinging anonymously on the Argus website?

It is not unreasonable to disapprove of an organisation with a history of arguably ill-conceived interventionist warmongering aggression, costing vast sums of public money not to mention lives, and a poor record in achieving peaceful solutions, so protest is entirely justified.

As far as I can see, the only people locally who stand to benefit from this phenomenally disruptive event, which by all accounts will cripple the whole region for several days with security restrictions, are publicity-seeking politicians, and Celtic Manor Resort itself, although owner Terry Matthews has been based overseas for years, and will no doubt siphon any profit directly out of Wales.
Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest. Hosting protesters is an integral part of hosting this inevitably controversial event. If you don't like it, then you yourself should be raising your own voice to protest about the meeting happening here: why not complain to your representatives instead of whinging anonymously on the Argus website? It is not unreasonable to disapprove of an organisation with a history of arguably ill-conceived interventionist warmongering aggression, costing vast sums of public money not to mention lives, and a poor record in achieving peaceful solutions, so protest is entirely justified. As far as I can see, the only people locally who stand to benefit from this phenomenally disruptive event, which by all accounts will cripple the whole region for several days with security restrictions, are publicity-seeking politicians, and Celtic Manor Resort itself, although owner Terry Matthews has been based overseas for years, and will no doubt siphon any profit directly out of Wales. Torfaenwr
  • Score: -1

3:58pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

Torfaenwr wrote:
Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest. Hosting protesters is an integral part of hosting this inevitably controversial event. If you don't like it, then you yourself should be raising your own voice to protest about the meeting happening here: why not complain to your representatives instead of whinging anonymously on the Argus website?

It is not unreasonable to disapprove of an organisation with a history of arguably ill-conceived interventionist warmongering aggression, costing vast sums of public money not to mention lives, and a poor record in achieving peaceful solutions, so protest is entirely justified.

As far as I can see, the only people locally who stand to benefit from this phenomenally disruptive event, which by all accounts will cripple the whole region for several days with security restrictions, are publicity-seeking politicians, and Celtic Manor Resort itself, although owner Terry Matthews has been based overseas for years, and will no doubt siphon any profit directly out of Wales.
Peaceful protest is democratic although the history of these events seems more about rioting and criminal damage to property belonging to innocent entities. In any event it isn't the role of taxpayers to fund any kind of demonstration or accommodation of same. Like NATO or not they are democratic in that they represent elected governments which you can change if you don't like. Oh and give the tiresome snipes at Matthews a rest. You are precisely the sort of whinging leftie who'd blame big bad whoever if no-one invested in Wales at all.
[quote][p][bold]Torfaenwr[/bold] wrote: Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest. Hosting protesters is an integral part of hosting this inevitably controversial event. If you don't like it, then you yourself should be raising your own voice to protest about the meeting happening here: why not complain to your representatives instead of whinging anonymously on the Argus website? It is not unreasonable to disapprove of an organisation with a history of arguably ill-conceived interventionist warmongering aggression, costing vast sums of public money not to mention lives, and a poor record in achieving peaceful solutions, so protest is entirely justified. As far as I can see, the only people locally who stand to benefit from this phenomenally disruptive event, which by all accounts will cripple the whole region for several days with security restrictions, are publicity-seeking politicians, and Celtic Manor Resort itself, although owner Terry Matthews has been based overseas for years, and will no doubt siphon any profit directly out of Wales.[/p][/quote]Peaceful protest is democratic although the history of these events seems more about rioting and criminal damage to property belonging to innocent entities. In any event it isn't the role of taxpayers to fund any kind of demonstration or accommodation of same. Like NATO or not they are democratic in that they represent elected governments which you can change if you don't like. Oh and give the tiresome snipes at Matthews a rest. You are precisely the sort of whinging leftie who'd blame big bad whoever if no-one invested in Wales at all. Stevenboy
  • Score: 6

4:07pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

"Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest"
Well please go to Kurdistan and do it where it matters, to the abominable dogmatists who'd murder rape and pillage their way through any population which doesn't share their dogma.
Or maybe you feel that US force may be a teeny weeny bit more effective?
And please don't suppose that those of us who find your tedious gobbing quite offensive are no less desirous of peace because we prefer to have a life.
"Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest" Well please go to Kurdistan and do it where it matters, to the abominable dogmatists who'd murder rape and pillage their way through any population which doesn't share their dogma. Or maybe you feel that US force may be a teeny weeny bit more effective? And please don't suppose that those of us who find your tedious gobbing quite offensive are no less desirous of peace because we prefer to have a life. Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

7:41pm Fri 15 Aug 14

GogExile says...

Torfaenwr wrote:
Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest. Hosting protesters is an integral part of hosting this inevitably controversial event. If you don't like it, then you yourself should be raising your own voice to protest about the meeting happening here: why not complain to your representatives instead of whinging anonymously on the Argus website?

It is not unreasonable to disapprove of an organisation with a history of arguably ill-conceived interventionist warmongering aggression, costing vast sums of public money not to mention lives, and a poor record in achieving peaceful solutions, so protest is entirely justified.

As far as I can see, the only people locally who stand to benefit from this phenomenally disruptive event, which by all accounts will cripple the whole region for several days with security restrictions, are publicity-seeking politicians, and Celtic Manor Resort itself, although owner Terry Matthews has been based overseas for years, and will no doubt siphon any profit directly out of Wales.
'Hosting protesters' is a somewhat wooly phrase. I would have thought that facilitating their right to protest (which I entirely agree with) was hosting them. The sticky point is handing over parkland as a free campsite. They could camp at Cwmcarn forest and get the bus into town. They could camp around Abergavenny and get the train into town. Hosting protesters is one thing. Subsidising protesters is another thing entirely. That's what is happening. You expect to be subsidised. You may object to the people attending but they have been democratically elected by their electorate. Who voted for you?
[quote][p][bold]Torfaenwr[/bold] wrote: Protesting is a key component of democracy, and people have every right to protest. Hosting protesters is an integral part of hosting this inevitably controversial event. If you don't like it, then you yourself should be raising your own voice to protest about the meeting happening here: why not complain to your representatives instead of whinging anonymously on the Argus website? It is not unreasonable to disapprove of an organisation with a history of arguably ill-conceived interventionist warmongering aggression, costing vast sums of public money not to mention lives, and a poor record in achieving peaceful solutions, so protest is entirely justified. As far as I can see, the only people locally who stand to benefit from this phenomenally disruptive event, which by all accounts will cripple the whole region for several days with security restrictions, are publicity-seeking politicians, and Celtic Manor Resort itself, although owner Terry Matthews has been based overseas for years, and will no doubt siphon any profit directly out of Wales.[/p][/quote]'Hosting protesters' is a somewhat wooly phrase. I would have thought that facilitating their right to protest (which I entirely agree with) was hosting them. The sticky point is handing over parkland as a free campsite. They could camp at Cwmcarn forest and get the bus into town. They could camp around Abergavenny and get the train into town. Hosting protesters is one thing. Subsidising protesters is another thing entirely. That's what is happening. You expect to be subsidised. You may object to the people attending but they have been democratically elected by their electorate. Who voted for you? GogExile
  • Score: 4

12:49am Sat 16 Aug 14

Torfaenwr says...

I'm not arguing to subsidise the protesters, GogExile, I'm simply being realistic about the need to do something with them. That they will come in number is a certainty, making it part and parcel of the event parameters, which the authorities have responsibility to plan for. What do you propose otherwise: North Korean-style totalitarian suppression of dissent? Not to make workable provisions would be to create avoidable problems, potentially including the kind StevenBoy fears. That would helps us how exactly?

I should point out by the way that I'm not connected to the protesters.

While I agree we need solid defensive forces to protect us from aggression elsewhere in the world, they should be defensive. And no, Dai Rear, I don't think US force is effective. US-led forays overseas that Britain has supported have worsened situations and exacerbated threats, and cultivated new threats where none existed. Lessons should be learned, and campaigning for a better approach is very reasonable. Your personal disinterest in doing so yourself, Dai, has no bearing on it's validity.

And StevenBoy, my dig against Terry Matthews stands. His corporation will receive a massive wedge of public cash for this, but no strings are attached, and mark my words, little of the money will benefit Wales, or even the UK. He's probably not the worst offender, but the fact that it's an ex-Newport dude's company shifting the cash offshore instead of a London-based or multinational corporation, doesn't change what any decent economist will confirm: investment that is extraction-oriented doesn't offer the benefit to Wales' economy that it's supposed to.

NATO operates less democratically than you make out, but the heads of state obviously are elected, and I do concede they need to meet and collaborate to establish defence policy. I just don't think having this event foisted on us in South East Wales is any kind of privilege or that we benefit in any way, and I'd rather we didn't have to deal with it.
Tell me, are you feeling a warm monetary glow in your bank account as a result of this event? cos I'm not - in all likelihood it's going to cost me.
I'm not arguing to subsidise the protesters, GogExile, I'm simply being realistic about the need to do something with them. That they will come in number is a certainty, making it part and parcel of the event parameters, which the authorities have responsibility to plan for. What do you propose otherwise: North Korean-style totalitarian suppression of dissent? Not to make workable provisions would be to create avoidable problems, potentially including the kind StevenBoy fears. That would helps us how exactly? I should point out by the way that I'm not connected to the protesters. While I agree we need solid defensive forces to protect us from aggression elsewhere in the world, they should be defensive. And no, Dai Rear, I don't think US force is effective. US-led forays overseas that Britain has supported have worsened situations and exacerbated threats, and cultivated new threats where none existed. Lessons should be learned, and campaigning for a better approach is very reasonable. Your personal disinterest in doing so yourself, Dai, has no bearing on it's validity. And StevenBoy, my dig against Terry Matthews stands. His corporation will receive a massive wedge of public cash for this, but no strings are attached, and mark my words, little of the money will benefit Wales, or even the UK. He's probably not the worst offender, but the fact that it's an ex-Newport dude's company shifting the cash offshore instead of a London-based or multinational corporation, doesn't change what any decent economist will confirm: investment that is extraction-oriented doesn't offer the benefit to Wales' economy that it's supposed to. NATO operates less democratically than you make out, but the heads of state obviously are elected, and I do concede they need to meet and collaborate to establish defence policy. I just don't think having this event foisted on us in South East Wales is any kind of privilege or that we benefit in any way, and I'd rather we didn't have to deal with it. Tell me, are you feeling a warm monetary glow in your bank account as a result of this event? cos I'm not - in all likelihood it's going to cost me. Torfaenwr
  • Score: 0

9:11am Sat 16 Aug 14

Lord Palmerstone says...

"And no, Dai Rear, I don't think US force is effective. "
What would you do about the bad people in Iraq then?
"And no, Dai Rear, I don't think US force is effective. " What would you do about the bad people in Iraq then? Lord Palmerstone
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

wbaber339@btinternet.com says...

NO ONE PERSON IN CHARGE = CHAOS SO THEY ALL CAN DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ANTI SOCIAL BE-HAVIOUR OR DAMAGE TO PROPERTY DURING THIER PEACEFUL PROTESTS.
WILL THEY PROTEST ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN AID DROPS.
NO ONE PERSON IN CHARGE = CHAOS SO THEY ALL CAN DENY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ANTI SOCIAL BE-HAVIOUR OR DAMAGE TO PROPERTY DURING THIER PEACEFUL PROTESTS. WILL THEY PROTEST ABOUT THE HUMANITARIAN AID DROPS. wbaber339@btinternet.com
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