Nato Summit is Newport's not Cardiff's, says Newport MP Paul Flynn

Nato Summit is Newport's not Cardiff's, says Newport MP Paul Flynn

'NEWPORT'S SUMMIT': Newport West MP Paul Flynn

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AN MP has accused Cardiff of trying to steal Newport’s thunder after national media outlets confused which of the two cities will be hosting next week’s Nato summit.

Newport West MP Paul Flynn blamed publicists based in Cardiff for over-emphasising the Welsh capital’s role in the summit, which is to be held in just a week’s time at the Celtic Manor Resort.

Mr Flynn’s comments come after the Today programme on BBC Radio 4, Channel 4 News, the Daily Mail and the Guardian all stated that the summit is to be held in Cardiff.

Many Newport residents and politicians jumped to defend their city on Twitter.

Mr Flynn told the Argus: “We’re always wary of Cardiff trying to steal Newport’s thunder. All the serious things are happening in Newport, Cardiff are getting the activities.

“I haven’t heard from Brussels yet that they’re going to give us territorial integrity in case they [Cardiff] are trying to encroach on us.

“Cardiff has always built right up to the borders. If Newport behaved in the same way we’d have no green land. They [Cardiff] have always been pushing this way.

“This is our summit, not their summit. I think we’ve had trouble with publicists who tend to be from Cardiff and they focus on Cardiff.”

Today programme presenters Justin Webb and John Humphrys – eating humble pie for twice incorrectly stating on Tuesday that the summit was based in Cardiff – invited Goldie Lookin’ Chain’s John ‘Eggsy’ Rutledge on yesterday’s show to discuss the positives of Newport.

Mr Rutledge told presenters: “It’s nice to give Newport a bit of recognition. Newport is the third biggest city in Wales, so it’s nice to get on the map.”

Despite the apology, the presenters still referred to the Celtic Manor Resort as being “on the outskirts of Cardiff”.

Mr Flynn added: “It’s probably beneficial the fact we had arguably one of the great ambassadors of Newport, Eggsy, on Radio 4. They’ve done a good turn by accident.”

A BBC spokeswoman said: “The Today programme team were keen to correct the error made that the Nato summit was in Cardiff, rather than Newport.

“As a result we not only apologised but, to explore the question of Newport further, interviewed John Rutledge from Goldie Lookin’ Chain. He talked enthusiastically about many positive aspects of the city, reflected in the song Newport State Of Mind which we also played during the item.”

No-one was available to comment from either the Guardian or Channel 4 News.

Newport City councillor Allan Morris also expressed his anger that the national media and politicians had made the “deliberate” error.

He said: “It appears to be just another kick in the teeth for Newport. It’s the Newport people that are going to take the brunt of this conference. It’s Newport people who get very little benefit from it.

“Once again people are very reluctant to even mention the name Newport. The same thing happened with the Ryder Cup.

“The actual conference is being held in Newport and some of the entertaining is being done in Cardiff. Personally, I don’t think there’s confusion, I think it’s deliberate. And you could argue most of the politicians wouldn’t be politicians if it wasn’t for the Chartist uprising in Newport.”

Welsh Assembly Member for South Wales East William Graham, however, said the mix-up was “understandable”. He said: “Cardiff is so very much the regional centre but Newport has its own identity. I think traditionally we get used to treaties being named after the city in which they’re held so perhaps we can hope for a Treaty of Newport.”

Mayor of Newport Matthew Evans said he hoped that the national media will take note that Cardiff and Newport are very much different cities.

He added: “I’d just like to reiterate, as has been confirmed, Newport is the host city. It’s not in Cardiff, understandably there are some events in Cardiff but ultimately the Nato summit is taking place in Newport.

“I’m hoping that some of the national media will take note that we are a different city.”

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9:43am Thu 28 Aug 14

mrleebob says...

This is all very childish.
This is all very childish. mrleebob
  • Score: -24

9:59am Thu 28 Aug 14

smudge100 says...

But I actually kind of agree, all the papers are talking about the disruptions in Cardiff and focusing on Cardiff. It doesn't anger me but it is a little annoying as we've been experiencing disruption for weeks and they get the steel fencing last week and then suddenly all eyes are on poor Cardiff
But I actually kind of agree, all the papers are talking about the disruptions in Cardiff and focusing on Cardiff. It doesn't anger me but it is a little annoying as we've been experiencing disruption for weeks and they get the steel fencing last week and then suddenly all eyes are on poor Cardiff smudge100
  • Score: 50

10:28am Thu 28 Aug 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

Well said Mr Flynn & Eggsy. William Graham needs to stand up and be counted - not feathering his own nest in Cardiff.
Well said Mr Flynn & Eggsy. William Graham needs to stand up and be counted - not feathering his own nest in Cardiff. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 34

11:41am Thu 28 Aug 14

Walter Devereux says...

"Despite the apology, the presenters still referred to the Celtic Manor Resort as being “on the outskirts of Cardiff”.

That was done in jest by John Humphrys, who is from Cardiff!
"Despite the apology, the presenters still referred to the Celtic Manor Resort as being “on the outskirts of Cardiff”. That was done in jest by John Humphrys, who is from Cardiff! Walter Devereux
  • Score: 15

12:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

Thanks Walter. Having listened to the programme live and again on playback, it sounded more like a weak attempt to justify Justin Webb's mistakes to me.
But what do you expect from a Cardiffian? ;-)
Thanks Walter. Having listened to the programme live and again on playback, it sounded more like a weak attempt to justify Justin Webb's mistakes to me. But what do you expect from a Cardiffian? ;-) Kevin Ward - Editor
  • Score: 18

12:04pm Thu 28 Aug 14

pastelmark says...

I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.
I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map. pastelmark
  • Score: -10

12:04pm Thu 28 Aug 14

arjwain says...

its like not admitting you live in somerton .
were you living now .ohh off chepstow road mate
its like an embarrassment to say its actually in newport . but its ok you can leave the manor on the motorway and straight into cardiff .
by passing all of zooport .
its like not admitting you live in somerton . were you living now .ohh off chepstow road mate its like an embarrassment to say its actually in newport . but its ok you can leave the manor on the motorway and straight into cardiff . by passing all of zooport . arjwain
  • Score: -17

12:06pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Roland Thompson-Gunner says...

John Humphrys (who I love on most subjects) basically laughed at the apology even as it was being made. It's absurd for the BBC to say it was "keen" to apologise.

Justin Webb is from Bath and a keen supporter of Bath Rugby. Could you imagine this happening if the cities involved were Bath and Bristol?
John Humphrys (who I love on most subjects) basically laughed at the apology even as it was being made. It's absurd for the BBC to say it was "keen" to apologise. Justin Webb is from Bath and a keen supporter of Bath Rugby. Could you imagine this happening if the cities involved were Bath and Bristol? Roland Thompson-Gunner
  • Score: 12

12:48pm Thu 28 Aug 14

heresphil says...

And the 'world city' of Cardiff has absolutely no issues with litter, graffiti, drunken violence and 'the underclasses' whatsoever?

Perhaps the world leaders should hang around St Mary Street after hours on Friday night or pop into certain areas of the city away from the castle or the bay.
And the 'world city' of Cardiff has absolutely no issues with litter, graffiti, drunken violence and 'the underclasses' whatsoever? Perhaps the world leaders should hang around St Mary Street after hours on Friday night or pop into certain areas of the city away from the castle or the bay. heresphil
  • Score: 34

1:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

arjwain says...

heresphil wrote:
And the 'world city' of Cardiff has absolutely no issues with litter, graffiti, drunken violence and 'the underclasses' whatsoever?

Perhaps the world leaders should hang around St Mary Street after hours on Friday night or pop into certain areas of the city away from the castle or the bay.
don't think obama or cameron will be kerb crawling though here's phil :)
[quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: And the 'world city' of Cardiff has absolutely no issues with litter, graffiti, drunken violence and 'the underclasses' whatsoever? Perhaps the world leaders should hang around St Mary Street after hours on Friday night or pop into certain areas of the city away from the castle or the bay.[/p][/quote]don't think obama or cameron will be kerb crawling though here's phil :) arjwain
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

arjwain says...

heresphil wrote:
And the 'world city' of Cardiff has absolutely no issues with litter, graffiti, drunken violence and 'the underclasses' whatsoever?

Perhaps the world leaders should hang around St Mary Street after hours on Friday night or pop into certain areas of the city away from the castle or the bay.
don't think obama or cameron will be kerb crawling though here's phil :)
[quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: And the 'world city' of Cardiff has absolutely no issues with litter, graffiti, drunken violence and 'the underclasses' whatsoever? Perhaps the world leaders should hang around St Mary Street after hours on Friday night or pop into certain areas of the city away from the castle or the bay.[/p][/quote]don't think obama or cameron will be kerb crawling though here's phil :) arjwain
  • Score: -2

1:08pm Thu 28 Aug 14

throwy1 says...

No doubt the world leaders will be poping into The Bay during the Summit. As for after hours, what are they, I thought it was 24 hour licences now. Nothing wrong with Cardiff City centre night life a **** sight safer than Newport.
No doubt the world leaders will be poping into The Bay during the Summit. As for after hours, what are they, I thought it was 24 hour licences now. Nothing wrong with Cardiff City centre night life a **** sight safer than Newport. throwy1
  • Score: -21

1:14pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Hmmm...Paul is indeed correct that Cardiff is more heavily urbanised than Newport but it does have a lot of green spaces within the city. From Sophia Gardens, for instance, you can walk or cycle all the way along the Taff Trail. Morevover, whilst they're a very funny act who perform catchy songs, I'm not sure that GLC are such good ambassadors for Newport - some of their misogynistic and transphobic lyrics are kinda outdated by now. Their act is more or less an Alf Garnet type satire on a stereotypically un-reconstructed Newport male. They're okay if you take them in a tongue-in-cheek way, I suppose, but appointing them as ambassadors for Newport (however 'unofficial') is kind of like making Alan Partridge and ambassador for Norwich:)
Hmmm...Paul is indeed correct that Cardiff is more heavily urbanised than Newport but it does have a lot of green spaces within the city. From Sophia Gardens, for instance, you can walk or cycle all the way along the Taff Trail. Morevover, whilst they're a very funny act who perform catchy songs, I'm not sure that GLC are such good ambassadors for Newport - some of their misogynistic and transphobic lyrics are kinda outdated by now. Their act is more or less an Alf Garnet type satire on a stereotypically un-reconstructed Newport male. They're okay if you take them in a tongue-in-cheek way, I suppose, but appointing them as ambassadors for Newport (however 'unofficial') is kind of like making Alan Partridge and ambassador for Norwich:) Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

pastelmark wrote:
I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.
Sorry, that's irrelevant. The problems of Newport are nothing compared to the problems of previous host cities. This is a working conference not a holiday. The World Leaders will not venture outside the formal venues, except maybe a quick photo opportunity drinking half a pint of beer. The issue is Newport is the host city but some of the national media just can't be bothered to report anything happening outside London properly.
[quote][p][bold]pastelmark[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.[/p][/quote]Sorry, that's irrelevant. The problems of Newport are nothing compared to the problems of previous host cities. This is a working conference not a holiday. The World Leaders will not venture outside the formal venues, except maybe a quick photo opportunity drinking half a pint of beer. The issue is Newport is the host city but some of the national media just can't be bothered to report anything happening outside London properly. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 31

1:51pm Thu 28 Aug 14

grandmammamia says...

Thomas O'Malley wrote:
pastelmark wrote:
I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.
Sorry, that's irrelevant. The problems of Newport are nothing compared to the problems of previous host cities. This is a working conference not a holiday. The World Leaders will not venture outside the formal venues, except maybe a quick photo opportunity drinking half a pint of beer. The issue is Newport is the host city but some of the national media just can't be bothered to report anything happening outside London properly.
Beat me to it Thomas O'Malley. Spot on --state (or not state) of Newport irrelevant. It's in Newport, not Cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]Thomas O'Malley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pastelmark[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.[/p][/quote]Sorry, that's irrelevant. The problems of Newport are nothing compared to the problems of previous host cities. This is a working conference not a holiday. The World Leaders will not venture outside the formal venues, except maybe a quick photo opportunity drinking half a pint of beer. The issue is Newport is the host city but some of the national media just can't be bothered to report anything happening outside London properly.[/p][/quote]Beat me to it Thomas O'Malley. Spot on --state (or not state) of Newport irrelevant. It's in Newport, not Cardiff. grandmammamia
  • Score: 25

2:30pm Thu 28 Aug 14

pastelmark says...

Newport does not need this summit, the only thing Newport will see from this is disruption to peoples daily lives, and a bunch of protesters marching through our city, this will come and go just like the Ryder Cup, with the only place to benefit from this is the already multi million pound establishment known as the Celtic Manor. Newport wake up and host something worthwhile for the people of this city.
Newport does not need this summit, the only thing Newport will see from this is disruption to peoples daily lives, and a bunch of protesters marching through our city, this will come and go just like the Ryder Cup, with the only place to benefit from this is the already multi million pound establishment known as the Celtic Manor. Newport wake up and host something worthwhile for the people of this city. pastelmark
  • Score: 0

3:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

.

Government Press Release:

I think the word "city" here is referring to Cardiff:

"Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers will dine at venues around the city including HMS Duncan in Cardiff Bay, Cardiff Castle and the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama in Cardiff. Meanwhile representatives from international media will be entertained at Tredegar House in Newport."

What I want to know is whether the Newport Council Tax Payer is footing the bill for the "international media" 's shindig at Tredegar House.

Are we?


I hope not, but will somebody who knows please tell us.


.
. Government Press Release: I think the word "city" here is referring to Cardiff: "Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers will dine at venues around the city including HMS Duncan in Cardiff Bay, Cardiff Castle and the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama in Cardiff. Meanwhile representatives from international media will be entertained at Tredegar House in Newport." What I want to know is whether the Newport Council Tax Payer is footing the bill for the "international media" 's shindig at Tredegar House. Are we? I hope not, but will somebody who knows please tell us. . Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: 4

3:36pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay says...

For the press release referred to above, please see:

https://www.gov.uk/g
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ve-up-welsh-banquet-
for-world-leaders
For the press release referred to above, please see: https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/leadi ng-welsh-chef-to-ser ve-up-welsh-banquet- for-world-leaders Ian (Mac) MacKinlay
  • Score: 1

4:00pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Andy Jay says...

Lets clear a couple of things up, firstly the summit is in Newport no one can get away from that it's a fact. If the reporter wants to say it's on the outskirts of Cardiff then he needs a lesson in Geography but it does not take away the fact that it is going to be held in the Celtic Manor which happens to be situated in Newport.
As for the decline of the city, well that really is a separate issue, true you encounter all sorts of colourful language, scroungers, and beggers who have no problem in approaching anyone and asking for money or cigarettes. Crime is high and a visit to the old newport town centre is nothing short of awful, but the summit is still being held in the city of Newport whether you love it or hate it it is 13 miles from the outskirts of Cardiff.
Lets clear a couple of things up, firstly the summit is in Newport no one can get away from that it's a fact. If the reporter wants to say it's on the outskirts of Cardiff then he needs a lesson in Geography but it does not take away the fact that it is going to be held in the Celtic Manor which happens to be situated in Newport. As for the decline of the city, well that really is a separate issue, true you encounter all sorts of colourful language, scroungers, and beggers who have no problem in approaching anyone and asking for money or cigarettes. Crime is high and a visit to the old newport town centre is nothing short of awful, but the summit is still being held in the city of Newport whether you love it or hate it it is 13 miles from the outskirts of Cardiff. Andy Jay
  • Score: 13

4:09pm Thu 28 Aug 14

NakedDancer says...

Ian (Mac) MacKinlay wrote:
.

Government Press Release:

I think the word "city" here is referring to Cardiff:

"Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers will dine at venues around the city including HMS Duncan in Cardiff Bay, Cardiff Castle and the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama in Cardiff. Meanwhile representatives from international media will be entertained at Tredegar House in Newport."

What I want to know is whether the Newport Council Tax Payer is footing the bill for the "international media" 's shindig at Tredegar House.

Are we?


I hope not, but will somebody who knows please tell us.


.
To be fair that 'city' reference is in the context of the earlier sentence re the dinner in Cardiff on 4th September prepped by Cardiff Met Uni students.
[quote][p][bold]Ian (Mac) MacKinlay[/bold] wrote: . Government Press Release: I think the word "city" here is referring to Cardiff: "Heads of State, Heads of Government and Ministers will dine at venues around the city including HMS Duncan in Cardiff Bay, Cardiff Castle and the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama in Cardiff. Meanwhile representatives from international media will be entertained at Tredegar House in Newport." What I want to know is whether the Newport Council Tax Payer is footing the bill for the "international media" 's shindig at Tredegar House. Are we? I hope not, but will somebody who knows please tell us. .[/p][/quote]To be fair that 'city' reference is in the context of the earlier sentence re the dinner in Cardiff on 4th September prepped by Cardiff Met Uni students. NakedDancer
  • Score: 5

5:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

newportrules says...

pastelmark wrote:
I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.
Working in Cardiff I can tell you that Cardiff has much worse and much bigger problems than Newport. It's that simple. But, they are the capital. That's about it! It's the same in any capital or "bigger" city. It's annoys the heck out of me too though. This is NEWPORT's summit. Cardiff had nowhere that could host it but are definitely trying to take over.
[quote][p][bold]pastelmark[/bold] wrote: I have to say I am not surprised that Cardiff is getting all the mention about NATO, if you were a world leader would you really want to step foot in Newport, I am born and brought up in Newport for 48 years and have seen a steady decline in the state of our city, walk through this city and just listen to the amount of swearing and litter dropping by the chavs that loiter around, Newport DOES have a pretty poor reputation and until this place tidies up its act I believe this and any future significant events will fail to put Newport on the map.[/p][/quote]Working in Cardiff I can tell you that Cardiff has much worse and much bigger problems than Newport. It's that simple. But, they are the capital. That's about it! It's the same in any capital or "bigger" city. It's annoys the heck out of me too though. This is NEWPORT's summit. Cardiff had nowhere that could host it but are definitely trying to take over. newportrules
  • Score: 16

6:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

exrisca says...

I phoned the Guardian's correction people yesterday to tell them but they have not given the correction this morning.
I phoned the Guardian's correction people yesterday to tell them but they have not given the correction this morning. exrisca
  • Score: 7

7:48pm Thu 28 Aug 14

jerymp says...

A few years ago I remember The Guardian describing Caerphilly parliamentary constituency as " Remote mining valleys north of Cardiff"
A few years ago I remember The Guardian describing Caerphilly parliamentary constituency as " Remote mining valleys north of Cardiff" jerymp
  • Score: 1

8:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Umm,,,
Contact Us

The Celtic Manor Resort

Coldra Woods
The Usk Valley
Newport
South Wales
NP18 1HQ
UK
The heart of Newport will be transformed into a NATO-themed culture and food celebration.
Quote from
www.gov.Uk
2 nice pictures of Newport
NO sign of Cardiff on there
Umm,,, Contact Us The Celtic Manor Resort Coldra Woods The Usk Valley Newport South Wales NP18 1HQ UK The heart of Newport will be transformed into a NATO-themed culture and food celebration. Quote from www.gov.Uk 2 nice pictures of Newport NO sign of Cardiff on there Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 4

8:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Magor says...

If it was in being held in Slough the media would be saying its in London.Our two MPs who go to London should raise the profile and educate the London based media.
If it was in being held in Slough the media would be saying its in London.Our two MPs who go to London should raise the profile and educate the London based media. Magor
  • Score: 4

4:57pm Fri 29 Aug 14

bobmech1 says...

We all know that Cardiff will claim the NATO conference is there's, Terry Mathews will claim it's the Vale of Usk's. That is if the worst happens to occur and you can bet then it will be definitely be Newports!
We all know that Cardiff will claim the NATO conference is there's, Terry Mathews will claim it's the Vale of Usk's. That is if the worst happens to occur and you can bet then it will be definitely be Newports! bobmech1
  • Score: -3

8:32pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Rossykins says...

Too late, we should have had Newport on the logo. Typical of Newport CC not to press for its inclusion. This short sighted approach is a blight on our residents. Wake up, we can vote with our fee you know!!
Too late, we should have had Newport on the logo. Typical of Newport CC not to press for its inclusion. This short sighted approach is a blight on our residents. Wake up, we can vote with our fee you know!! Rossykins
  • Score: 0
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