Gwent Police praised for way crime is now recorded

REVIEW: Gwent police and crime commissioner Ian Johnston

REVIEW: Gwent police and crime commissioner Ian Johnston

First published in News
Last updated
by

A REPORT into the way Gwent Police records crime has found that while overall the force is doing well, there remains room for improvement.

The report also highlights a ‘positive’ culture within Gwent Police in securing crime data integrity and the strong leadership of the chief constable and his staff in ensuring that crime is recorded properly.

Published yesterday, by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary (HMIC), the Crime Data Integrity report follows an inspection into the way Gwent Police and the other 42 forces in England and Wales record crime and to what extent that information can be trusted by the public.

Each force inspection involves an examination of crime records from November 1 2012 to October 31 2013.

Recent HMIC inspections have revealed weaknesses in police crime recording across the UK, particularly the under-recording of crimes.

The authors of the report examined 89 Gwent Police incident records and found that 67 crimes should have been recorded. Of the 67 crimes that should have been recorded, 58 were. Of the 58, three were wrongly classified and three were recorded outside the 72-hour limit allowed by the HOCR.

The report recommended a need for improvement in the accuracy and timeliness of crime-recording decisions.

The inspection found there is a culture among officers and staff within the force to secure crime data accuracy. The report also highlights how the internal review into crime recording instigated by Gwent PCC Ian Johnston in 2013 helped raise awareness about how performance in crime recording can be improved.

Mr Johnston said: “A significant amount of work has been undertaken by the force in respect of ethical crime recording which has been positively recognised in this inspection.

“Other police forces have followed Gwent’s lead in carrying out in-house inspections of their crime recording practices and it is interesting to note that 29 out of 43 Police forces in England and Wales are now showing an increase in recorded crime.

“I have always maintained that I am more concerned about the quality of service the public receive than numerical targets and it was pleasing to see our work around providing a victim-centred approach to policing being highlighted by HMIC.”

The report made five recommendations that it says Gwent Police should deal with immediately – including reviewing its backlog of crime records and reviewing its policy and practice for dealing with reports of making off without payment.

The report also said it was ‘concerned’ at the way in which Gwent Police records offences of making off without payment (MOWP).

It examined 20 MOWP incidents and found that 17 should have been recorded as a crime and were not. It added that one Gwent petrol station had just two out of 26 complaints recorded as crimes.

In response to the HMIC report, Chief Constable Jeff Farrar said: “It is vital the public know that when they are victims of crime, they can report it to Gwent Police and be confident it will be recorded accurately, investigated fully and that appropriate action will be taken.

“As I have said previously the vast majority of police officers join the police in order to serve as dedicated and courageous professionals, motivated by a desire to protect the public. This is particularly true of Gwent Police Officers. Nobody joins the police service with the intention of recording crime inaccurately.”

Comments (12)

Please log in to enable comment sorting

10:02am Fri 29 Aug 14

regaturn says...

More spin from Gwent Police. It was only in January this year that the CC Jeff Farrar was grilled by the Home Select Committee headed by Keith Vaz, and came out of the grilling looking a total prat after having to agree that on a particular date last July 50% of the crime on that day was not recorded.
Lies,**** lies and Gwent Crime Statistics!
More spin from Gwent Police. It was only in January this year that the CC Jeff Farrar was grilled by the Home Select Committee headed by Keith Vaz, and came out of the grilling looking a total prat after having to agree that on a particular date last July 50% of the crime on that day was not recorded. Lies,**** lies and Gwent Crime Statistics! regaturn
  • Score: 12

10:41am Fri 29 Aug 14

Loose Ed says...

How strange, the Welsh radio news is reporting it is one of thirteen forces told to improve, something being spun here methinks !
How strange, the Welsh radio news is reporting it is one of thirteen forces told to improve, something being spun here methinks ! Loose Ed
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Salihson says...

Why are these police officers keep lying to Jeff and Ian. There are people still waiting for their custody records since 16/11/2013 after arrested and lockup for 15 hours because of the colour of their skin.
These officers make Jeff and Ian look stupid when they talk about recording crimes.
The criminals are within the force not the public.
Why are these police officers keep lying to Jeff and Ian. There are people still waiting for their custody records since 16/11/2013 after arrested and lockup for 15 hours because of the colour of their skin. These officers make Jeff and Ian look stupid when they talk about recording crimes. The criminals are within the force not the public. Salihson
  • Score: -6

12:35pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Agunner says...

It would be interesting to hear MP Paul Flynns views on this report as I recall he was very vocal in his comments earlier on the subject. Or does this report contradict his view?
It would be interesting to hear MP Paul Flynns views on this report as I recall he was very vocal in his comments earlier on the subject. Or does this report contradict his view? Agunner
  • Score: 7

1:29pm Fri 29 Aug 14

slice_of_life says...

Just consider what it was like before Ian Johnson came when we were told there wasnt an issue with recording crime. The report doesnt say crime recording is brilliant - it states there is still improvement required. But at least there is some improvement and perhaps this backs up Ian's earlier comments that there was a problem with recording crime correctly.
Just consider what it was like before Ian Johnson came when we were told there wasnt an issue with recording crime. The report doesnt say crime recording is brilliant - it states there is still improvement required. But at least there is some improvement and perhaps this backs up Ian's earlier comments that there was a problem with recording crime correctly. slice_of_life
  • Score: 5

1:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

slice_of_life says...

sorry, meant "Johnston".
sorry, meant "Johnston". slice_of_life
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Salihson says...

slice_of_life wrote:
Just consider what it was like before Ian Johnson came when we were told there wasnt an issue with recording crime. The report doesnt say crime recording is brilliant - it states there is still improvement required. But at least there is some improvement and perhaps this backs up Ian's earlier comments that there was a problem with recording crime correctly.
We didnt vote for Ian to improve things in the force, we voted for him to get very thing the police are covering up right.
We want everything record correctly and honestly and nothing less. Improvement, what improvement when police record dont match with with court records.
[quote][p][bold]slice_of_life[/bold] wrote: Just consider what it was like before Ian Johnson came when we were told there wasnt an issue with recording crime. The report doesnt say crime recording is brilliant - it states there is still improvement required. But at least there is some improvement and perhaps this backs up Ian's earlier comments that there was a problem with recording crime correctly.[/p][/quote]We didnt vote for Ian to improve things in the force, we voted for him to get very thing the police are covering up right. We want everything record correctly and honestly and nothing less. Improvement, what improvement when police record dont match with with court records. Salihson
  • Score: 0

3:35pm Fri 29 Aug 14

jimmysmith says...

regaturn wrote:
More spin from Gwent Police. It was only in January this year that the CC Jeff Farrar was grilled by the Home Select Committee headed by Keith Vaz, and came out of the grilling looking a total prat after having to agree that on a particular date last July 50% of the crime on that day was not recorded.
Lies,**** lies and Gwent Crime Statistics!
what old chap .? a policeman lying ,you say .preposterous ,absolutely preposterous ..lol excellent post regaturn and the truth
[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: More spin from Gwent Police. It was only in January this year that the CC Jeff Farrar was grilled by the Home Select Committee headed by Keith Vaz, and came out of the grilling looking a total prat after having to agree that on a particular date last July 50% of the crime on that day was not recorded. Lies,**** lies and Gwent Crime Statistics![/p][/quote]what old chap .? a policeman lying ,you say .preposterous ,absolutely preposterous ..lol excellent post regaturn and the truth jimmysmith
  • Score: -1

3:43pm Fri 29 Aug 14

davidcp says...

regaturn wrote:
More spin from Gwent Police. It was only in January this year that the CC Jeff Farrar was grilled by the Home Select Committee headed by Keith Vaz, and came out of the grilling looking a total prat after having to agree that on a particular date last July 50% of the crime on that day was not recorded.
Lies,**** lies and Gwent Crime Statistics!
Just the 8 months ago, then.
[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: More spin from Gwent Police. It was only in January this year that the CC Jeff Farrar was grilled by the Home Select Committee headed by Keith Vaz, and came out of the grilling looking a total prat after having to agree that on a particular date last July 50% of the crime on that day was not recorded. Lies,**** lies and Gwent Crime Statistics![/p][/quote]Just the 8 months ago, then. davidcp
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Alessi says...

Firstly, If police officers find it so difficult to record crime correctly, what confidence can we have in the same officers actually being able to solve a complicated case?
Secondly, during my childhood, which I grant you is a long time ago, our parents always taught us that a police officer was the first person you could turn to with confidence and trust. Today, I have no confidence in what police officers do and they are now one of the last group of people to trust. Yes there maybe some good honest ones, but the as far as I am concerned their image has been damaged beyond repair.
Finally, why has Gwent Police had so many Chief Constables over the past 10 - 15 years. Is it about better salaries and bigger pensions just before they retire?
Firstly, If police officers find it so difficult to record crime correctly, what confidence can we have in the same officers actually being able to solve a complicated case? Secondly, during my childhood, which I grant you is a long time ago, our parents always taught us that a police officer was the first person you could turn to with confidence and trust. Today, I have no confidence in what police officers do and they are now one of the last group of people to trust. Yes there maybe some good honest ones, but the as far as I am concerned their image has been damaged beyond repair. Finally, why has Gwent Police had so many Chief Constables over the past 10 - 15 years. Is it about better salaries and bigger pensions just before they retire? Alessi
  • Score: 7

7:55am Sat 30 Aug 14

Jak777 says...

Having had some consideral experince in police work (over 20 yrs not in gwent police). There is no doubt about systemic corruption. The problem lies with those holding the police to account ie senior officers and mainly Gwent standards department. They are responsible for police accountabily unfortunately they do not carry out investigations as such but rather write a report of recommendation. For instance if u complain about the police they will interperet tour version of events as they will. They dont record a complainant statement as in a normal investigation. The officer in question isn't interviewed under caution aa a normal investigation but rather is allowed to respon after looking at the complaints allowing time to fabricate a story or exuse for their actions countering all issues. Let's not forget that standards is part of Gwent police. A final repprt is then written based around the excuses made by the officer and bye bye complaint. They will also use whatever they can to discredit your accusations. Using such things as personal opinion inadmissible in a normal case to discredit your story. Its an investigation in to how to disprove rather than prove ypur story. They will even change or omit evidence thay may back your case with no way of you knowing until the report is written and submitted then its too late. Corrupt in not fit for purpose. Criminal action within gwent police are unchallenged leaving wide spread corruption and criminality and not one has the honesty and integrity to speak out due to a fear and culture. Not too be trusted until they have the courage to address the issues and become accountable.
Having had some consideral experince in police work (over 20 yrs not in gwent police). There is no doubt about systemic corruption. The problem lies with those holding the police to account ie senior officers and mainly Gwent standards department. They are responsible for police accountabily unfortunately they do not carry out investigations as such but rather write a report of recommendation. For instance if u complain about the police they will interperet tour version of events as they will. They dont record a complainant statement as in a normal investigation. The officer in question isn't interviewed under caution aa a normal investigation but rather is allowed to respon after looking at the complaints allowing time to fabricate a story or exuse for their actions countering all issues. Let's not forget that standards is part of Gwent police. A final repprt is then written based around the excuses made by the officer and bye bye complaint. They will also use whatever they can to discredit your accusations. Using such things as personal opinion inadmissible in a normal case to discredit your story. Its an investigation in to how to disprove rather than prove ypur story. They will even change or omit evidence thay may back your case with no way of you knowing until the report is written and submitted then its too late. Corrupt in not fit for purpose. Criminal action within gwent police are unchallenged leaving wide spread corruption and criminality and not one has the honesty and integrity to speak out due to a fear and culture. Not too be trusted until they have the courage to address the issues and become accountable. Jak777
  • Score: 1

4:46pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

Since when have crimes been recorded accurately? No officer will come out during service and voice the truth for obvious reasons. The fact is, the recording of crime has always lacked integrity. It is done for all the wrong reasons, personal ambition being top of the list. People in senior positions know this very well. Present incumbents included. To try to gain credibility and court favour via the press leaves a bad taste.
Since when have crimes been recorded accurately? No officer will come out during service and voice the truth for obvious reasons. The fact is, the recording of crime has always lacked integrity. It is done for all the wrong reasons, personal ambition being top of the list. People in senior positions know this very well. Present incumbents included. To try to gain credibility and court favour via the press leaves a bad taste. Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -1
Post a comment

Remember you are personally responsible for what you post on this site and must abide by our site terms. Do not post anything that is false, abusive or malicious. If you wish to complain, please use the ‘report this post’ link.

Send us your news, pictures and videos

Most read stories

Local Info

Enter your postcode, town or place name

About cookies

We want you to enjoy your visit to our website. That's why we use cookies to enhance your experience. By staying on our website you agree to our use of cookies. Find out more about the cookies we use.

I agree