Muslim group asks councillor to stop using "Islamophobic" language

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A MUSLIM organisation has called for a Torfaen councillor to stop using "inflammatory and divisive language" which they've dubbed Islamophobic.

Last week the Argus reported that complaints were made after Pontypool councillor Mike Harris, the chairman of Torfaen council's safer communities overview and scrutiny panel, used the term “muzzy” in a post on Facebook.

He denied that the comment, posted alongside a news article on Hamas reportedly executing Israeli informers, was an anti-Muslim slur.

He claimed he was using the word as set out in the dictionary, meaning “unable to think clearly; confused”.

Yesterday (Sunday) the Muslim Council of Wales published a statement which said: "We...call for the councillor to refrain from using such inflammatory and divisive language in the future.

"We look forward to working with...the safer communities (panel) to create deeper harmony and strong bonds between ourselves and the community he represents."

Mr Kidwai told the Argus he had received phone calls about Cllr Harris' comments and felt compelled to release the statement.

"There's more important things in the world," he said. "I said it's a free country but people should have the decency to see what's appropriate and what's not, and I'm sure if he's a politician then he will appreciate why it's important not to say Islamophobic statements."

Last week a Torfaen council spokesman said they were contacted by members of the public regarding the post and have referred the public to the Public Service Ombudsman.

Individual councillors are responsible for their postings on social media and are subject to a Code of Conduct, he said.

Complaints that a councillor may have breached the Code should be made to the Ombudsman and the Ombudsman will decide whether or not to investigate.

The Ombudsman said it has not received a complaint on the issue.

The Argus contacted Cllr Harris for a comment.

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7:25am Mon 1 Sep 14

davidcp says...

Phobic- suffering an irrational fear and suffering (NB SUFFERING) an uncontrollable response, is misused here just as it is in the term homophobia.
A dislike, distrust, or alternative value system, however irrational, is not a phobia.
Phobic- suffering an irrational fear and suffering (NB SUFFERING) an uncontrollable response, is misused here just as it is in the term homophobia. A dislike, distrust, or alternative value system, however irrational, is not a phobia. davidcp
  • Score: 22

7:49am Mon 1 Sep 14

marks missus says...

Im a white british born female and was once called a white b**** and told to get back to my own country, maybe i should have rang police about racial abuse !!
Im a white british born female and was once called a white b**** and told to get back to my own country, maybe i should have rang police about racial abuse !! marks missus
  • Score: 45

8:01am Mon 1 Sep 14

Angry2014 says...

The councillor has long been frothing with Islamophobic bigotry. He claimed that the Muslim Council of Wales supported him in his odious bigotry, I believe.

I'm exceptionally glad the record has been set straight. Time to resign, cllr Harris. You're an embarrassment to C21st Wales!
The councillor has long been frothing with Islamophobic bigotry. He claimed that the Muslim Council of Wales supported him in his odious bigotry, I believe. I'm exceptionally glad the record has been set straight. Time to resign, cllr Harris. You're an embarrassment to C21st Wales! Angry2014
  • Score: -41

8:02am Mon 1 Sep 14

Matthew15:26 says...

The latest in a long line of anti Muslim posts on facebook from this guy. Posts stuff from far right groups and the EDL too. Bout time he was challenged on this.
The latest in a long line of anti Muslim posts on facebook from this guy. Posts stuff from far right groups and the EDL too. Bout time he was challenged on this. Matthew15:26
  • Score: -28

8:09am Mon 1 Sep 14

Sometimes says...

Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world. Sometimes
  • Score: 42

8:12am Mon 1 Sep 14

Angry2014 says...

Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
If his constant tirades had been about Jews, black people, disabled people, or homosexuals do you really think people would still give him a gram of support?

Bigotry is bigotry. Sack him immediately!
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]If his constant tirades had been about Jews, black people, disabled people, or homosexuals do you really think people would still give him a gram of support? Bigotry is bigotry. Sack him immediately! Angry2014
  • Score: -26

8:27am Mon 1 Sep 14

taffygwent says...

We cannot say anything these days without someone jumping on it. Get a life.
We cannot say anything these days without someone jumping on it. Get a life. taffygwent
  • Score: 56

8:27am Mon 1 Sep 14

Magic Rat says...

Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist. Magic Rat
  • Score: -29

8:37am Mon 1 Sep 14

displayed says...

Muzzy:
(of a person) confused and unable to think clearly because of tiredness, illness, alcohol, or drugs, or (of a situation, plans, etc.) not clear or well explained: Feeling muzzy from the blow on his head, he got up very slowly. Eg.:Until a week ago, the group's objectives were slightly muzzy.

"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England."

ER No, actually............
.............

You pays yer money, u takes ur choice, u choose the pollys to be in charge:

Waddu expect!
Muzzy: (of a person) confused and unable to think clearly because of tiredness, illness, alcohol, or drugs, or (of a situation, plans, etc.) not clear or well explained: Feeling muzzy from the blow on his head, he got up very slowly. Eg.:Until a week ago, the group's objectives were slightly muzzy. "This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,-- This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England." ER No, actually............ ............. You pays yer money, u takes ur choice, u choose the pollys to be in charge: Waddu expect! displayed
  • Score: 5

8:55am Mon 1 Sep 14

davidcp says...

Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Am I to understand - it is not clear - that because I corrected someone about misuse of language that I am a racist? A pedant perhaps, but a racist - explain the logic! If that IS your claim, then if I'd politely alerted the writer to his/her open flies I'd be a racist. That would be Pythonesque! The correction was not about their argument, only about the inaccurate technology they used to put it.

I didn't agree or disagree with the councillor, just the misuse (abuse?) of terminology done with the objective of engendering a powerful response when, if the argument is true (it is) then the misuse is unnecessary.

BTW - 'Who' should have started with a capital letter, as should the following 'The', and the last phrase should probably have ended with a question mark. Like I said, a pedant.
[quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Am I to understand - it is not clear - that because I corrected someone about misuse of language that I am a racist? A pedant perhaps, but a racist - explain the logic! If that IS your claim, then if I'd politely alerted the writer to his/her open flies I'd be a racist. That would be Pythonesque! The correction was not about their argument, only about the inaccurate technology they used to put it. I didn't agree or disagree with the councillor, just the misuse (abuse?) of terminology done with the objective of engendering a powerful response when, if the argument is true (it is) then the misuse is unnecessary. BTW - 'Who' should have started with a capital letter, as should the following 'The', and the last phrase should probably have ended with a question mark. Like I said, a pedant. davidcp
  • Score: 3

8:59am Mon 1 Sep 14

dailoco says...

Well said Taffygwent how many times have we seen racist comments aimed against us Brits and also the Welsh on TV . It is not the mouth it comes from but the mind it enters. From my point of view just suck it up and get a life.
Well said Taffygwent how many times have we seen racist comments aimed against us Brits and also the Welsh on TV . It is not the mouth it comes from but the mind it enters. From my point of view just suck it up and get a life. dailoco
  • Score: 33

9:11am Mon 1 Sep 14

Stevenboy says...

Magic Rat wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.
Not strictly true since some groups make a science out of being offended. Taking you argument to its logical conclusion, if Turkish people decided they didn't like being referred to as Turks and were 'offended' then it would be a racist term and use of it could land you in front of the beak. (We 'Brits' could make no such exotic claims however). Muslims complained and rioted worldwide and many died in the protests about a 'racist' Danish cartoon yet it could not, by definition, be 'racist' since it depicted an image of a supposed character no-one has ever seen of indeterminate 'race'. Sometimes language can be deemed offensive and other times the offence is only in the head of the observer.
[quote][p][bold]Magic Rat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.[/p][/quote]Not strictly true since some groups make a science out of being offended. Taking you argument to its logical conclusion, if Turkish people decided they didn't like being referred to as Turks and were 'offended' then it would be a racist term and use of it could land you in front of the beak. (We 'Brits' could make no such exotic claims however). Muslims complained and rioted worldwide and many died in the protests about a 'racist' Danish cartoon yet it could not, by definition, be 'racist' since it depicted an image of a supposed character no-one has ever seen of indeterminate 'race'. Sometimes language can be deemed offensive and other times the offence is only in the head of the observer. Stevenboy
  • Score: 31

9:18am Mon 1 Sep 14

ex-St. Julians boy says...

Unfortunately, I am unable read any of his comments on Facebook because I'm not his 'friend' (that's sad). However, I would say this - if he applied this word 'muzzy' in it's correct meaning as he says then any offended Muslims should go take a running jump ... stuff 'em.
Unfortunately, I am unable read any of his comments on Facebook because I'm not his 'friend' (that's sad). However, I would say this - if he applied this word 'muzzy' in it's correct meaning as he says then any offended Muslims should go take a running jump ... stuff 'em. ex-St. Julians boy
  • Score: 37

10:21am Mon 1 Sep 14

NP44 Cwmbran says...

Cllr Harris and his Facebook buddies are a disgrace.
With TCBC in desperate need of a reboot, electing a low calibre candidate like this idiot, with his playground rhetoric and childish friends, brings zero benefit. He is certainly not representative of the decent majority of Torfaen residents.
In the commercial world, a disreputable clown like this would be sacked. In the “elected” world, he should do at least one decent thing, resign and donate income received from his position(s) to local charities.
As for those running off to the Dictionary and dissecting words and phrases– don’t be so pathetic. Anyone who has been unfortunate to read the rubbish spouted by Cllr Harris and his “friends” are very much aware of where he, and they, stand. They are obsessed with Facebook and their five minutes of fame – lets see where they all are in a couple of years.
Cllr Harris and his Facebook buddies are a disgrace. With TCBC in desperate need of a reboot, electing a low calibre candidate like this idiot, with his playground rhetoric and childish friends, brings zero benefit. He is certainly not representative of the decent majority of Torfaen residents. In the commercial world, a disreputable clown like this would be sacked. In the “elected” world, he should do at least one decent thing, resign and donate income received from his position(s) to local charities. As for those running off to the Dictionary and dissecting words and phrases– don’t be so pathetic. Anyone who has been unfortunate to read the rubbish spouted by Cllr Harris and his “friends” are very much aware of where he, and they, stand. They are obsessed with Facebook and their five minutes of fame – lets see where they all are in a couple of years. NP44 Cwmbran
  • Score: -12

10:32am Mon 1 Sep 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

Angry2014 wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
If his constant tirades had been about Jews, black people, disabled people, or homosexuals do you really think people would still give him a gram of support?

Bigotry is bigotry. Sack him immediately!
He's definitely and deliberately used an islamophobic term here, but it would be wrong to buy into the myth that the above groups you mention get preferential treatment compared to other minorities. Take that Cardiff City MacKay guy, for instance, plus with regard to one group not mentioned - i.e. transgender people - transphobia is unfortunately the norm within our society.
[quote][p][bold]Angry2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]If his constant tirades had been about Jews, black people, disabled people, or homosexuals do you really think people would still give him a gram of support? Bigotry is bigotry. Sack him immediately![/p][/quote]He's definitely and deliberately used an islamophobic term here, but it would be wrong to buy into the myth that the above groups you mention get preferential treatment compared to other minorities. Take that Cardiff City MacKay guy, for instance, plus with regard to one group not mentioned - i.e. transgender people - transphobia is unfortunately the norm within our society. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -18

10:41am Mon 1 Sep 14

GogExile says...

Angry2014 wrote:
The councillor has long been frothing with Islamophobic bigotry. He claimed that the Muslim Council of Wales supported him in his odious bigotry, I believe.

I'm exceptionally glad the record has been set straight. Time to resign, cllr Harris. You're an embarrassment to C21st Wales!
He claimed support from the Muslim Council of Wales? We he is a disgrace then. I mean, in the 21st Century, why would any elected (yes, elected) official claim the support of a self appointed, male only, religiously exclusive gang?
[quote][p][bold]Angry2014[/bold] wrote: The councillor has long been frothing with Islamophobic bigotry. He claimed that the Muslim Council of Wales supported him in his odious bigotry, I believe. I'm exceptionally glad the record has been set straight. Time to resign, cllr Harris. You're an embarrassment to C21st Wales![/p][/quote]He claimed support from the Muslim Council of Wales? We he is a disgrace then. I mean, in the 21st Century, why would any elected (yes, elected) official claim the support of a self appointed, male only, religiously exclusive gang? GogExile
  • Score: 18

10:54am Mon 1 Sep 14

Stevenboy says...

NP44 Cwmbran wrote:
Cllr Harris and his Facebook buddies are a disgrace.
With TCBC in desperate need of a reboot, electing a low calibre candidate like this idiot, with his playground rhetoric and childish friends, brings zero benefit. He is certainly not representative of the decent majority of Torfaen residents.
In the commercial world, a disreputable clown like this would be sacked. In the “elected” world, he should do at least one decent thing, resign and donate income received from his position(s) to local charities.
As for those running off to the Dictionary and dissecting words and phrases– don’t be so pathetic. Anyone who has been unfortunate to read the rubbish spouted by Cllr Harris and his “friends” are very much aware of where he, and they, stand. They are obsessed with Facebook and their five minutes of fame – lets see where they all are in a couple of years.
If the appropriate word is 'idiot' (and I think you may be right in most of your analysis) then let's use it. The problem with endlessly flinging the 'R' word around when it it isn't accurate is you finish up with Rotherham where bad people were allowed to operate with impunity because of political correctness. Stupid people exist in all walks of politics, it's undeniable, so if you think 'stupid' say 'stupid'. We are all fine with that I'm sure.
[quote][p][bold]NP44 Cwmbran[/bold] wrote: Cllr Harris and his Facebook buddies are a disgrace. With TCBC in desperate need of a reboot, electing a low calibre candidate like this idiot, with his playground rhetoric and childish friends, brings zero benefit. He is certainly not representative of the decent majority of Torfaen residents. In the commercial world, a disreputable clown like this would be sacked. In the “elected” world, he should do at least one decent thing, resign and donate income received from his position(s) to local charities. As for those running off to the Dictionary and dissecting words and phrases– don’t be so pathetic. Anyone who has been unfortunate to read the rubbish spouted by Cllr Harris and his “friends” are very much aware of where he, and they, stand. They are obsessed with Facebook and their five minutes of fame – lets see where they all are in a couple of years.[/p][/quote]If the appropriate word is 'idiot' (and I think you may be right in most of your analysis) then let's use it. The problem with endlessly flinging the 'R' word around when it it isn't accurate is you finish up with Rotherham where bad people were allowed to operate with impunity because of political correctness. Stupid people exist in all walks of politics, it's undeniable, so if you think 'stupid' say 'stupid'. We are all fine with that I'm sure. Stevenboy
  • Score: 26

11:13am Mon 1 Sep 14

jimbojetson says...

Cllr Harris has a long standing track record of posting small minded, prejudiced hate speach on the facebook groups he takes part in. He has been criticised in the papers previously for making some really moronic comments about immigrants. (He claims his ancestors werent immigrants - rubbbish - everyone in britain is descended from immigrants). His excuse for the use of the word 'Muzzy' was pathetic. The Hamas militants he was referring to werent confused - they knew exactly what they were doing. It was clear that he meant it as a prejudiced, anti muslim statement.
Cllr Harris has a long standing track record of posting small minded, prejudiced hate speach on the facebook groups he takes part in. He has been criticised in the papers previously for making some really moronic comments about immigrants. (He claims his ancestors werent immigrants - rubbbish - everyone in britain is descended from immigrants). His excuse for the use of the word 'Muzzy' was pathetic. The Hamas militants he was referring to werent confused - they knew exactly what they were doing. It was clear that he meant it as a prejudiced, anti muslim statement. jimbojetson
  • Score: -16

11:13am Mon 1 Sep 14

JanJenkins says...

If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims
We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims.
Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.
If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims. Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are. JanJenkins
  • Score: 32

11:14am Mon 1 Sep 14

Angry2014 says...

JanJenkins wrote:
If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims
We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims.
Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.
The Muslim Council of Wales are terrorists? I suggest you rethink that statement by looking at their website and educating yourself.
[quote][p][bold]JanJenkins[/bold] wrote: If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims. Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.[/p][/quote]The Muslim Council of Wales are terrorists? I suggest you rethink that statement by looking at their website and educating yourself. Angry2014
  • Score: -13

11:51am Mon 1 Sep 14

welshmen says...

No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....
No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces..... welshmen
  • Score: 30

12:35pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

Magic Rat wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.
I find it deeply offensive that the Islamic faith is given such freedom to express itself in this country. It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted, and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people, and therefore a racist attack on our country.

Can we please refer this to the Police for action?
[quote][p][bold]Magic Rat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.[/p][/quote]I find it deeply offensive that the Islamic faith is given such freedom to express itself in this country. It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted, and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people, and therefore a racist attack on our country. Can we please refer this to the Police for action? Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: 9

1:56pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Evil Flanker says...

displayed wrote:
Muzzy:
(of a person) confused and unable to think clearly because of tiredness, illness, alcohol, or drugs, or (of a situation, plans, etc.) not clear or well explained: Feeling muzzy from the blow on his head, he got up very slowly. Eg.:Until a week ago, the group's objectives were slightly muzzy.

"This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle,
This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
This other Eden, demi-paradise,
This fortress built by Nature for herself
Against infection and the hand of war,
This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall
Or as a moat defensive to a house,
Against the envy of less happier lands,--
This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England."

ER No, actually............

.............

You pays yer money, u takes ur choice, u choose the pollys to be in charge:

Waddu expect!
Actually it was a hung parliament, so nobody chose the the misfits we have in power at the moment!
[quote][p][bold]displayed[/bold] wrote: Muzzy: (of a person) confused and unable to think clearly because of tiredness, illness, alcohol, or drugs, or (of a situation, plans, etc.) not clear or well explained: Feeling muzzy from the blow on his head, he got up very slowly. Eg.:Until a week ago, the group's objectives were slightly muzzy. "This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,-- This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England." ER No, actually............ ............. You pays yer money, u takes ur choice, u choose the pollys to be in charge: Waddu expect![/p][/quote]Actually it was a hung parliament, so nobody chose the the misfits we have in power at the moment! Evil Flanker
  • Score: 6

3:50pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Howie' says...

Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Magic Rat wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.
I find it deeply offensive that the Islamic faith is given such freedom to express itself in this country. It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted, and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people, and therefore a racist attack on our country.

Can we please refer this to the Police for action?
' It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted'

I assume you have a direct line and have asked him!

' and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people'

I'm christian and don't find it insensitive.
[quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magic Rat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.[/p][/quote]I find it deeply offensive that the Islamic faith is given such freedom to express itself in this country. It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted, and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people, and therefore a racist attack on our country. Can we please refer this to the Police for action?[/p][/quote]' It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted' I assume you have a direct line and have asked him! ' and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people' I'm christian and don't find it insensitive. Howie'
  • Score: 5

4:15pm Mon 1 Sep 14

JJ1980 says...

It says everything you need to know about the PC brigade in the UK when people are more outraged at the use of the word "muzzy" than the 40 people Hamas murdered, which he was referring to.
It says everything you need to know about the PC brigade in the UK when people are more outraged at the use of the word "muzzy" than the 40 people Hamas murdered, which he was referring to. JJ1980
  • Score: 16

5:56pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Magor says...

Angry2014 wrote:
The councillor has long been frothing with Islamophobic bigotry. He claimed that the Muslim Council of Wales supported him in his odious bigotry, I believe.

I'm exceptionally glad the record has been set straight. Time to resign, cllr Harris. You're an embarrassment to C21st Wales!
Yes you are right its the 21st century time to call it a day on religions,if you believe in God etc keep it to yourself.Organised religions and cults create to many problems.
[quote][p][bold]Angry2014[/bold] wrote: The councillor has long been frothing with Islamophobic bigotry. He claimed that the Muslim Council of Wales supported him in his odious bigotry, I believe. I'm exceptionally glad the record has been set straight. Time to resign, cllr Harris. You're an embarrassment to C21st Wales![/p][/quote]Yes you are right its the 21st century time to call it a day on religions,if you believe in God etc keep it to yourself.Organised religions and cults create to many problems. Magor
  • Score: 12

7:14pm Mon 1 Sep 14

NP44 Cwmbran says...

JJ1980 wrote:
It says everything you need to know about the PC brigade in the UK when people are more outraged at the use of the word "muzzy" than the 40 people Hamas murdered, which he was referring to.
Are you deliberately missing the point, or are you trying to put up another smoke screen for Cllr Harris? Can you not see that the idiot claimed he had the support of a particular group, when he clearly did not? His silly schoolboy prank has backfired, demonstrates extremely poor judgement and is effectively political suicide. It’s not simply about the word “muzzy”, it’s about the clowns attitude in general. If you’re going to defend Cllr Harris, then a good start would be to try and sell any “good things” he has achieved. His obsessive Facebook friends control two right wing political pages/groups, they struggle to find positive things to say about their chum too. They consistently rely on insulting anyone who challenges their beliefs in a very boring and shallow manner. My own views are right of centre – Harris and his buddies are off the scale.
[quote][p][bold]JJ1980[/bold] wrote: It says everything you need to know about the PC brigade in the UK when people are more outraged at the use of the word "muzzy" than the 40 people Hamas murdered, which he was referring to.[/p][/quote]Are you deliberately missing the point, or are you trying to put up another smoke screen for Cllr Harris? Can you not see that the idiot claimed he had the support of a particular group, when he clearly did not? His silly schoolboy prank has backfired, demonstrates extremely poor judgement and is effectively political suicide. It’s not simply about the word “muzzy”, it’s about the clowns attitude in general. If you’re going to defend Cllr Harris, then a good start would be to try and sell any “good things” he has achieved. His obsessive Facebook friends control two right wing political pages/groups, they struggle to find positive things to say about their chum too. They consistently rely on insulting anyone who challenges their beliefs in a very boring and shallow manner. My own views are right of centre – Harris and his buddies are off the scale. NP44 Cwmbran
  • Score: 1

7:15pm Mon 1 Sep 14

Hewy33 says...

People really should make some effort to find out the history to this story before posting their opinions. This was not about the use or misuse of one word. This comment was no one off. This Councillor has publically posted and endless stream of bigoted and homophobic comments which have been well publicised in the media in the past. The links he posts combined with his comments he makes are clearly designed to incite hatred. It has been his choice to continue to do so despite many of his constituents expressing strong objections against this. Unfortunately he seems to thrive on this negative attention with his poisonous bile becoming more outrageous by the week. As a public servant If I had expressed views like this I would have fully expected to lose my job. Can it really be argued that this man should remain Chair of Safer Communities for Torfaen? I think not. Let’s have someone in post who is balanced, positive, proactive and actually genuinely concerned with Torfaen issues rather that feeding his need to seek attention pushing his own Far Right agenda.
People really should make some effort to find out the history to this story before posting their opinions. This was not about the use or misuse of one word. This comment was no one off. This Councillor has publically posted and endless stream of bigoted and homophobic comments which have been well publicised in the media in the past. The links he posts combined with his comments he makes are clearly designed to incite hatred. It has been his choice to continue to do so despite many of his constituents expressing strong objections against this. Unfortunately he seems to thrive on this negative attention with his poisonous bile becoming more outrageous by the week. As a public servant If I had expressed views like this I would have fully expected to lose my job. Can it really be argued that this man should remain Chair of Safer Communities for Torfaen? I think not. Let’s have someone in post who is balanced, positive, proactive and actually genuinely concerned with Torfaen issues rather that feeding his need to seek attention pushing his own Far Right agenda. Hewy33
  • Score: 6

7:41pm Mon 1 Sep 14

arjwain says...

i don't mind being called taff
scotish are called jocks ,,irish are paddy .
its not offensive , so whats wrong with a muzzy.
its just something to winge at yet again
i don't mind being called taff scotish are called jocks ,,irish are paddy . its not offensive , so whats wrong with a muzzy. its just something to winge at yet again arjwain
  • Score: 10

9:57pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jimmysmith says...

im definitely voting ukip
im definitely voting ukip jimmysmith
  • Score: 5

10:19pm Mon 1 Sep 14

stjulians says...

Not just in Newport but aren't we approaching such a dodgy area/time where one person wouldn't be able to say without that meaning that is suggestive (and where the meaning of words change fairly regularly)? In the 50's if you told someone they were 'sick' they'd call a doctor! I understand there are mistakes; I understanding there's misunderstandings; there's misinterpretations; there's bullying; but I don't understand one word being misconstrued for another? Or I may be missing the point (so someone please say or shout)... although I do wish someone was there for me whilst I was in school and having people commenting on the colour of my hair for years, and.... years...............
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Not just in Newport but aren't we approaching such a dodgy area/time where one person wouldn't be able to say without that meaning that is suggestive (and where the meaning of words change fairly regularly)? In the 50's if you told someone they were 'sick' they'd call a doctor! I understand there are mistakes; I understanding there's misunderstandings; there's misinterpretations; there's bullying; but I don't understand one word being misconstrued for another? Or I may be missing the point (so someone please say or shout)... although I do wish someone was there for me whilst I was in school and having people commenting on the colour of my hair for years, and.... years............... ...... stjulians
  • Score: 2

10:23pm Mon 1 Sep 14

stjulians says...

stjulians wrote:
Not just in Newport but aren't we approaching such a dodgy area/time where one person wouldn't be able to say without that meaning that is suggestive (and where the meaning of words change fairly regularly)? In the 50's if you told someone they were 'sick' they'd call a doctor! I understand there are mistakes; I understanding there's misunderstandings; there's misinterpretations; there's bullying; but I don't understand one word being misconstrued for another? Or I may be missing the point (so someone please say or shout)... although I do wish someone was there for me whilst I was in school and having people commenting on the colour of my hair for years, and.... years...............

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Part of my post wasn't shown here because I used less and greater than symbols for some words... so, some words aren't included
[quote][p][bold]stjulians[/bold] wrote: Not just in Newport but aren't we approaching such a dodgy area/time where one person wouldn't be able to say without that meaning that is suggestive (and where the meaning of words change fairly regularly)? In the 50's if you told someone they were 'sick' they'd call a doctor! I understand there are mistakes; I understanding there's misunderstandings; there's misinterpretations; there's bullying; but I don't understand one word being misconstrued for another? Or I may be missing the point (so someone please say or shout)... although I do wish someone was there for me whilst I was in school and having people commenting on the colour of my hair for years, and.... years............... ......[/p][/quote]Part of my post wasn't shown here because I used less and greater than symbols for some words... so, some words aren't included stjulians
  • Score: -3

10:35pm Mon 1 Sep 14

daveglyn says...

welshmen wrote:
No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....
Not all muslims are terrorists but most all acts of terrorism are carried out by muslims . Then there are also those who support them by not informing on those they know to be terrorists. If action is not taken the UK will soon be like Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....[/p][/quote]Not all muslims are terrorists but most all acts of terrorism are carried out by muslims . Then there are also those who support them by not informing on those they know to be terrorists. If action is not taken the UK will soon be like Gaza. daveglyn
  • Score: 5

10:41pm Mon 1 Sep 14

daveglyn says...

welshmen wrote:
No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....
Not all muslims are terrorists but most all acts of terrorism are carried out by muslims . Then there are also those who support them by not informing on those they know to be terrorists. If action is not taken the UK will soon be like Gaza.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....[/p][/quote]Not all muslims are terrorists but most all acts of terrorism are carried out by muslims . Then there are also those who support them by not informing on those they know to be terrorists. If action is not taken the UK will soon be like Gaza. daveglyn
  • Score: 7

10:43pm Mon 1 Sep 14

jimmysmith says...

welshmen wrote:
No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....
well said that man i salute you sir
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: No Angry2014, The Muslim Council of Wales are not terrorists, but 99.9% of terrorists are MUSLIM: quicker the Followers of this barbaric Religion move to their Islamic state of their choice the BETTER we here in the UK will be, no more threats, no more we have to have this for our Religion, no more we have to have this for our women, no more we want another Mosque, no more we have to have animals slaughtered with out sunning first, and the thread of this story Islamapbohia and the race card invented to stop debate about this out of date barbaric hateful religion, we never voted to have them in our Country, they wont marry into our Culture they just want to out breed us and make our Country another Islamic State, their doing this all across the EU and the rest of the Democratic world, look around it's not hard to see the Religion butchering each other and other non-believers, time is well over due to remove the Colonising element out of our Country before Britain resembles the Lebanon...wake up and fight for our Culture, not Foreigners right to rule our Country....I'am Welsh British, I would die to keep my Country and Culture British, Muslims only fight for Islam and it's survival not this Country....they have no loyalty to you, they use lie's and deceit to fob us off that they are our friends....570 are in our Forces, ISIS have 1500+ from here and some X British forces.....[/p][/quote]well said that man i salute you sir jimmysmith
  • Score: 5

8:51am Tue 2 Sep 14

coalpicker says...

Angry2014 wrote:
JanJenkins wrote:
If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims
We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims.
Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.
The Muslim Council of Wales are terrorists? I suggest you rethink that statement by looking at their website and educating yourself.
Put your brain in gear , it is not Buddhists or Quakers who are kidnaping
and murdering around the world, it is Muslims. It is not Catholics or Anglicans carrying out atrocities or joining brain washed lunatics in the Mid east it is Muslims . Our language is being butchered by these racist
organisations, Baa Baa Blacksheep ,Slope, now this nonsense with Mike Harris ,this constant racist drip feed is destroying our society Rotherham and Rochdale are examples where the police and local authorities have been emasculated by this Nazi type proper gander. Muslim organisations around the country making purring noises about THEIR maniacs but doing nothing except repeating we are peaceful,
they are not ,the current world situation indicates clearly they are not.
We have had a taste of how peace loving they are in Londonistan
and dozens of other locations. The Nazi's used the same tactics We are peaceful we are just rescuing oppressed Germans.It is time to dispense
with Mr Nice and bring in Mr Reality , Lift the sheep's clothing of these organisation's and see the ravening wolf crouching preparing to spring .
[quote][p][bold]Angry2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JanJenkins[/bold] wrote: If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims. Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.[/p][/quote]The Muslim Council of Wales are terrorists? I suggest you rethink that statement by looking at their website and educating yourself.[/p][/quote]Put your brain in gear , it is not Buddhists or Quakers who are kidnaping and murdering around the world, it is Muslims. It is not Catholics or Anglicans carrying out atrocities or joining brain washed lunatics in the Mid east it is Muslims . Our language is being butchered by these racist organisations, Baa Baa Blacksheep ,Slope, now this nonsense with Mike Harris ,this constant racist drip feed is destroying our society Rotherham and Rochdale are examples where the police and local authorities have been emasculated by this Nazi type proper gander. Muslim organisations around the country making purring noises about THEIR maniacs but doing nothing except repeating we are peaceful, they are not ,the current world situation indicates clearly they are not. We have had a taste of how peace loving they are in Londonistan and dozens of other locations. The Nazi's used the same tactics We are peaceful we are just rescuing oppressed Germans.It is time to dispense with Mr Nice and bring in Mr Reality , Lift the sheep's clothing of these organisation's and see the ravening wolf crouching preparing to spring . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

11:10am Tue 2 Sep 14

welshmen says...

coalpicker wrote:
Angry2014 wrote:
JanJenkins wrote:
If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims
We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims.
Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.
The Muslim Council of Wales are terrorists? I suggest you rethink that statement by looking at their website and educating yourself.
Put your brain in gear , it is not Buddhists or Quakers who are kidnaping
and murdering around the world, it is Muslims. It is not Catholics or Anglicans carrying out atrocities or joining brain washed lunatics in the Mid east it is Muslims . Our language is being butchered by these racist
organisations, Baa Baa Blacksheep ,Slope, now this nonsense with Mike Harris ,this constant racist drip feed is destroying our society Rotherham and Rochdale are examples where the police and local authorities have been emasculated by this Nazi type proper gander. Muslim organisations around the country making purring noises about THEIR maniacs but doing nothing except repeating we are peaceful,
they are not ,the current world situation indicates clearly they are not.
We have had a taste of how peace loving they are in Londonistan
and dozens of other locations. The Nazi's used the same tactics We are peaceful we are just rescuing oppressed Germans.It is time to dispense
with Mr Nice and bring in Mr Reality , Lift the sheep's clothing of these organisation's and see the ravening wolf crouching preparing to spring .
Well said mate....I think the rest of the British People are now starting to awake from the PC slumber of the last fifteen years or so, too see the reality of this Colonising Cult and how threatening they are, Sir Winston Churchill said of this so called Peaceful Religion "The Religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword more over, it provides incentives to Slaughter, and in three Continents has produced fighting breeds of men-filled with wild and Merciless Fanaticism"....Islam is a Religion of hate & death towards non-believers....
[quote][p][bold]coalpicker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JanJenkins[/bold] wrote: If the violence against us , is based on a their religious belief that all non-believers should be murdered/ killed then we as potential victims We are entitled to name them, These Terrorists are Muslims. Not " All " terrorists are Muslims but these ones are.[/p][/quote]The Muslim Council of Wales are terrorists? I suggest you rethink that statement by looking at their website and educating yourself.[/p][/quote]Put your brain in gear , it is not Buddhists or Quakers who are kidnaping and murdering around the world, it is Muslims. It is not Catholics or Anglicans carrying out atrocities or joining brain washed lunatics in the Mid east it is Muslims . Our language is being butchered by these racist organisations, Baa Baa Blacksheep ,Slope, now this nonsense with Mike Harris ,this constant racist drip feed is destroying our society Rotherham and Rochdale are examples where the police and local authorities have been emasculated by this Nazi type proper gander. Muslim organisations around the country making purring noises about THEIR maniacs but doing nothing except repeating we are peaceful, they are not ,the current world situation indicates clearly they are not. We have had a taste of how peace loving they are in Londonistan and dozens of other locations. The Nazi's used the same tactics We are peaceful we are just rescuing oppressed Germans.It is time to dispense with Mr Nice and bring in Mr Reality , Lift the sheep's clothing of these organisation's and see the ravening wolf crouching preparing to spring .[/p][/quote]Well said mate....I think the rest of the British People are now starting to awake from the PC slumber of the last fifteen years or so, too see the reality of this Colonising Cult and how threatening they are, Sir Winston Churchill said of this so called Peaceful Religion "The Religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword more over, it provides incentives to Slaughter, and in three Continents has produced fighting breeds of men-filled with wild and Merciless Fanaticism"....Islam is a Religion of hate & death towards non-believers.... welshmen
  • Score: 4

1:54pm Tue 2 Sep 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

Howie' wrote:
Ultimate Worrier wrote:
Magic Rat wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.
I find it deeply offensive that the Islamic faith is given such freedom to express itself in this country. It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted, and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people, and therefore a racist attack on our country.

Can we please refer this to the Police for action?
' It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted'

I assume you have a direct line and have asked him!

' and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people'

I'm christian and don't find it insensitive.
Do you speak for us all then? I've asked Jesus, and he says no.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ultimate Worrier[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magic Rat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Read the law. Something is racist if it is likely to offend. People were offended otherwise they wouldn't have complained. So, it was racist.[/p][/quote]I find it deeply offensive that the Islamic faith is given such freedom to express itself in this country. It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted, and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people, and therefore a racist attack on our country. Can we please refer this to the Police for action?[/p][/quote]' It is not what the Lord Jesus Christ would have wanted' I assume you have a direct line and have asked him! ' and is very insensitive to the feelings of Christian people' I'm christian and don't find it insensitive.[/p][/quote]Do you speak for us all then? I've asked Jesus, and he says no. Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: -2

7:32am Thu 4 Sep 14

coalpicker says...

davidcp wrote:
Sometimes wrote:
Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.
Am I to understand - it is not clear - that because I corrected someone about misuse of language that I am a racist? A pedant perhaps, but a racist - explain the logic! If that IS your claim, then if I'd politely alerted the writer to his/her open flies I'd be a racist. That would be Pythonesque! The correction was not about their argument, only about the inaccurate technology they used to put it.

I didn't agree or disagree with the councillor, just the misuse (abuse?) of terminology done with the objective of engendering a powerful response when, if the argument is true (it is) then the misuse is unnecessary.

BTW - 'Who' should have started with a capital letter, as should the following 'The', and the last phrase should probably have ended with a question mark. Like I said, a pedant.
The point is you got the message ,whether in smoke signals or morse code
the writer achieved his objective which was to communicate .
[quote][p][bold]davidcp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sometimes[/bold] wrote: Can't believe people get into such a state about the correct and proper use of the English language. who's the racist? the people who think the term is aimed at them due to their own inner thoughts and beliefs, or the person who posted it against an article that showed the violence in the world.[/p][/quote]Am I to understand - it is not clear - that because I corrected someone about misuse of language that I am a racist? A pedant perhaps, but a racist - explain the logic! If that IS your claim, then if I'd politely alerted the writer to his/her open flies I'd be a racist. That would be Pythonesque! The correction was not about their argument, only about the inaccurate technology they used to put it. I didn't agree or disagree with the councillor, just the misuse (abuse?) of terminology done with the objective of engendering a powerful response when, if the argument is true (it is) then the misuse is unnecessary. BTW - 'Who' should have started with a capital letter, as should the following 'The', and the last phrase should probably have ended with a question mark. Like I said, a pedant.[/p][/quote]The point is you got the message ,whether in smoke signals or morse code the writer achieved his objective which was to communicate . coalpicker
  • Score: 3

7:42am Thu 4 Sep 14

coalpicker says...

Hewy33 wrote:
People really should make some effort to find out the history to this story before posting their opinions. This was not about the use or misuse of one word. This comment was no one off. This Councillor has publically posted and endless stream of bigoted and homophobic comments which have been well publicised in the media in the past. The links he posts combined with his comments he makes are clearly designed to incite hatred. It has been his choice to continue to do so despite many of his constituents expressing strong objections against this. Unfortunately he seems to thrive on this negative attention with his poisonous bile becoming more outrageous by the week. As a public servant If I had expressed views like this I would have fully expected to lose my job. Can it really be argued that this man should remain Chair of Safer Communities for Torfaen? I think not. Let’s have someone in post who is balanced, positive, proactive and actually genuinely concerned with Torfaen issues rather that feeding his need to seek attention pushing his own Far Right agenda.
You mean the balanced, positive ,proactive , genuinely concerned like the Politically Correct Labour councillors in Rochdale and Rotherham ?
I believe the type of useless councillor you are referring to IS BUGGER YOU JACK IM ALRIGHT .
[quote][p][bold]Hewy33[/bold] wrote: People really should make some effort to find out the history to this story before posting their opinions. This was not about the use or misuse of one word. This comment was no one off. This Councillor has publically posted and endless stream of bigoted and homophobic comments which have been well publicised in the media in the past. The links he posts combined with his comments he makes are clearly designed to incite hatred. It has been his choice to continue to do so despite many of his constituents expressing strong objections against this. Unfortunately he seems to thrive on this negative attention with his poisonous bile becoming more outrageous by the week. As a public servant If I had expressed views like this I would have fully expected to lose my job. Can it really be argued that this man should remain Chair of Safer Communities for Torfaen? I think not. Let’s have someone in post who is balanced, positive, proactive and actually genuinely concerned with Torfaen issues rather that feeding his need to seek attention pushing his own Far Right agenda.[/p][/quote]You mean the balanced, positive ,proactive , genuinely concerned like the Politically Correct Labour councillors in Rochdale and Rotherham ? I believe the type of useless councillor you are referring to IS BUGGER YOU JACK IM ALRIGHT . coalpicker
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9:32am Sat 6 Sep 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

marks missus wrote:
Im a white british born female and was once called a white b**** and told to get back to my own country, maybe i should have rang police about racial abuse !!
If it was in the UK and many other countries then you have that right. If your point is that other countries tolerate racial abuse then all that civilised countries can do is set a good example.
[quote][p][bold]marks missus[/bold] wrote: Im a white british born female and was once called a white b**** and told to get back to my own country, maybe i should have rang police about racial abuse !![/p][/quote]If it was in the UK and many other countries then you have that right. If your point is that other countries tolerate racial abuse then all that civilised countries can do is set a good example. Thomas O'Malley
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