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Gwent pubs face festive crisis


PUBLICANS across Gwent say their industry is in crisis - with one saying the situation is the worst she's seen in her 24 years in the trade.

Many are blaming customers saving their cash because of the recession, cheap supermarket alcohol prices, and the long-term effects of the smoking ban.

Pubs which have closed in the past few months include The Angel, Baneswell, Newport, The Gladiator, Malpas Road, Newport, and The Somerset Arms, Victoria Street, Abergavenny.

An internet search of pubs for sale in Gwent yesterday revealed that there were 50 in the area up for sale, some already closed, and others for sale as a going concern.

For some, a good Christmas month may be the only hope of staying open.

Richard Overy at The Goldcroft Inn, Caerleon, says the decision on whether to call time for good is only a matter of months away.

"We are currently ten per cent down in sales on last year, which was bad enough in itself," he said.

"The smoking ban and supermarket booze sales are a major problem, and students in Caerleon are staying at the university bar to drink rather than coming into the town."

Jacqueline Griffiths has been a publican for 24 years, the past 14 of them as the landlady at The Rifleman's Arms, Blaenavon.

She said: "November was absolutely dead. We have had quite a few bookings over Christmas, and I believe that without or food trade, we wouldn't stay afloat.

"It is the worst situation I have seen in my 24 years in this business. It is now cheaper to buy spirits at Asda than at the cash and carry."

Mark Gane, who has been at The Milton, Llanwern, for the past seven years, agreed.

"October and November were very bad months. We were around 40 per cent down on last year," he said.

"The food business is definitely keeping us going. Addressing the issue of cheap supermarket alcohol is the only way to keep many people's locals in business."

Landlady at the Royal Oak in Pontypool Alison Comb put the drop in trade at her pub down to the credit crunch and job losses and The Scrum Half bar on Chepstow Road, Maindee, has seen takings drop 40 per cent on this time last year.

Diane Forley, who has run the Prince of Wales, Risca, for the past 10 years, said trade had been hit by drinkers using the rail link to travel to Cardiff.

Staff at The Tilers Arms, Blaina, said two other pubs in the village had closed in the past year, and its drinks trade was down by 30 per cent.

But its food trade was up and had kept the pub open. Ben Chick who manages The Riverside Tavern, Newport, said they have been running at a loss all year.

Jon Pisani, who runs the Greyhound Inn, Newport, said he is hoping business will be around the same as last year, despite last year's takings being down 16 per cent.

Mr Pisani, who is also secretary of Pubwatch, said: "The Christmas rush hasn't really started until the 15th over the past three years."

Pubs which are bucking the trend tend to be those which are offering food, says Nick Reid of the Tredegar Arms, Bassaleg: "Our Christmas bookings are up 20 per cent on last year."


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jilted john, newport gwent says...
11:53am Mon 14 Dec 09

if i was having a few pints because im an adult.
i may like to light up a smoke while sitting down enjoing the pint ive worked hard for all week .
but then im told by the goverments of this land who rip us of steall to furnish there properties fiddle there taxes
i can no longer enjoy the smoke with my pint now i have to go outside and freeze .
well there are choices that an adult should have like smoking pubs and non smoking pubs not a complete ban.
ive never seen so many clubs and pubs close i think due to the smoking ban .
there's always been cheap booze but never a smoking ban.
bring back smoking in selected pubs and see the difference in profits

Gareth, Newport says...
12:07pm Mon 14 Dec 09

It's an interesting one this. People losing their livelihood is a terrible thing, but it brings up the question of what sort of livelihoods are good for society.

I suppose it is all in the question really.

"Do you want to lose your traditional local boozer?" will get you a pro-pub answer.

"Do you think it is a good thing that people are spending more time and money enriching their lives at home with the family instead of squandering time and money on personal killer drugs that creates society's worst havoc?", would probably get you an anti-pub answer.

molly42, blaenavon says...
1:22pm Mon 14 Dec 09

G Went wrote:
Gwent pubs face festive crisis. Gwent itself faces an existental crisis. Does it exist? No, it does not.
If people use the term it de facto exists, anything else is a boundary exercise and transitory, Gwent has existed in some form for 2000 years, naming different parts of it different things matters not!

Strider, The Pride Lands says...
5:01pm Mon 14 Dec 09

Two days ago the Argus prints this story "Welsh are UK’s biggest pub-goers"

They now print this and Argus the site in question is Brewwales who says and 49 Newport pubs have closed since 1997... He also writes that Newport pubs are dumps full of Stella drinking Chav scum. And that 'The Murenger and the 'Pena and Wig are the only two decent Pubs same as the British Beer and Pub Guide claim

Strider, The Pride Lands says...
5:12pm Mon 14 Dec 09

A lot of the pubs the Argus mentioned are dead when I go past them in the day and normally shut at night 'The Talisman' Look at the scum outside 'The Greyhound' who put various profanities in ever sentence they speak, varying in crudeness depending how long they can keep there cigerettes from there mouths..

The Reasons for this are many.. They removed the Chairs to get rid of the older Drinkers who make a pint or two last the night.. Every Newport Pub plays Dance Music and most have Pool Tables apart from the two Spoons and the Murenger all three are always full.. They also all have £1 drinks all night and £7 all you drink and the only people they attract are the Chavs!!

Gareth here's a question for you as your one of generally decent people here who gives straight answers.. If they pubs are running at 40% loss why do they continue to trade until they go bankrupt and loss everything.. Look at Maindee a row of Trendy Theme pubs and most up for sale

FLIT, NEWPORT says...
6:12pm Mon 14 Dec 09

The smoking ban has killed off the pub bussiness whether people want to admit it or not. My social life is non existant and the few times i have gone out since the ban i have gone home as soon as i have gone outside as i i absolutly resent giving my hard earned money to a bussiness that is happy to take it from me and then throw me into a street because i happen to smoke. Why would i pay out money to stand out in a street. Also the friends i used to meet up with no longer go out any way because of the ban. I dont drink at home so cheap supermarket booze makes no difference. The pubs are boring now, the music is a headache, there is no atmosphere any more, spoons is like an airport waiting area without a holiday at the end to look forward to and bar staff are grumpy and rude.But this is the uk, its not a fee country and we must accept that and do as we.re told and pay all our wages back to the government in tax,s

charlie, newport, newport says...
11:08pm Mon 14 Dec 09

I wonder if shampoo and washing powder companies have also been hit by the smoking ban, cos the first thing I used to do after a night ot was wash my hair and put my clothes in the washing machine to get rid of the stink. Sorry guys, but as a non-smoker I love the smoking ban. It'd be interesting to see what would happen if the ban was voluntary as suggested by jilted john - I'm not sure any pubs would impose the ban as in theory that could have done that before April 2007 (or whenever the ban came into force) but no-one did.

charlie, newport, newport says...
11:10pm Mon 14 Dec 09

sorry, judging by the number of typos in that post I think I need to go to sleep!

islwyn09, Abercarn says...
12:00am Tue 15 Dec 09

I notice that SWA editorial has headline "Feeling Festive"so much for the festive season in the wake of this article,which has just confirmed everything that we've known for ages,the pub trade is in bad shape!So where does this leave the ridiculous survey that was given such prominence in SWA only just last week?Editor you should really think hard before you print such nonsense in future!Your credibility lies in tatters @ mo!As a non-smoker I have to say that I dont think smoking ban is totally to blame for pubs demise!Since pub deregulation most of the various holding companies have just sat back & counted the money without putting anything back into the pubs they own!You've got to give folk a reason to go out!i.e.ENTERTAINMEN
T!Many pubs in area just dont bother,plus the price of a pint doesnt help pubs plight either!You will find the odd entrepenaur who will invest in a pub!Just look @ the success story that is Witherspoons!They mix food with cheap drink & comfy clean tidy pubs to go to!It isnt rocket science!

Gareth, Newport says...
9:56am Tue 15 Dec 09

Strider wrote:
A lot of the pubs the Argus mentioned are dead when I go past them in the day and normally shut at night 'The Talisman' Look at the scum outside 'The Greyhound' who put various profanities in ever sentence they speak, varying in crudeness depending how long they can keep there cigerettes from there mouths..

The Reasons for this are many.. They removed the Chairs to get rid of the older Drinkers who make a pint or two last the night.. Every Newport Pub plays Dance Music and most have Pool Tables apart from the two Spoons and the Murenger all three are always full.. They also all have £1 drinks all night and £7 all you drink and the only people they attract are the Chavs!!

Gareth here's a question for you as your one of generally decent people here who gives straight answers.. If they pubs are running at 40% loss why do they continue to trade until they go bankrupt and loss everything.. Look at Maindee a row of Trendy Theme pubs and most up for sale
Straight answer, Strider: I have no idea, I really don't.

It is an interesting question and maybe someone from the pub game could enlighten us.

I can only offer my own experience with independent micro businesses. To them, long-term losses of 40% would not be financially viable. They would be likely to shut down, lose the debt, and re-open under a slightly different name.

I guess that the exit strategy for a pub owner/landlord is not so simple.

They may own the property and can find no buyers at the moment. Or they could be tied in to long-term contracts with the brewery, and breaking this contract would bankrupt them. In both these cases, continuing at a loss may be their only choice.

There is also a major issue of property designation. Many micro businesses rent generic office space, and it is comparatively easy to give up the lease, move on, and the landlord to re-let the property to any other office-based business.

Pubs, on the other hand, have a unique designation as a pub, and cannot be easily or cheaply sold or re-let to any other type of business.

This is, of course, pure speculation. Anyone want to enlighten me/us?

FLIT, NEWPORT says...
2:57pm Tue 15 Dec 09

Oh the smell thing, glad you mentioned that as i have come to the conclusion that people who say their hair and clothes dont smell anymore must be a bunch of stinker,s because after being ouy for just two hours i thought i could get away with washing them and i can inform you that had i hung my dress back in the wardrobe the entire contents within would of had to be washed because my dress honked of a smell i cant discribe and i actualy heaved so that is not a true statement and also i alway,s wash my clothes after wearing them, and i came to the conclusion that non smokers are all a bunch of stinkers.

westender, newbridge says...
7:28pm Tue 15 Dec 09

FLIT
This smoking/smelling arguement has carried on on here under various heading for months and, funnily enough the smokers always lose, first the arguement and then their tempers, they usually resort to insults and other childish comments
hopefuly not this time

independent voter, newport says...
4:49pm Thu 17 Dec 09

WHY ALCOHOLICS LOSE THEIR WATERHOLES

1 CREDIT CRUNCH ( ouch )
2 TOO MUCH COMPETITION
3 LACK OF ENTERTAINMENT
4 SMOKING BAN
5 HIGH PRICES
6 VIOLENCE
7 GRUBBY PUBS
8 NO FAMILY VENUES
9 BINGE DRINKERS
10 PEOPLE EDUCATED ON HEALTH

independent voter, newport says...
4:57pm Thu 17 Dec 09

4x cans of Tennents Super = £6
£6 x 7 Days = £42
£42 x 4 weeks £168
£168 x 12 months = £2,016
Over a 10 Year Period = £20,160

Just Glad I Gave Up !!!!
MERRY XMAS

Gareth, Newport says...
6:04pm Thu 17 Dec 09

independent voter wrote:
4x cans of Tennents Super = £6
£6 x 7 Days = £42
£42 x 4 weeks £168
£168 x 12 months = £2,016
Over a 10 Year Period = £20,160

Just Glad I Gave Up !!!!
MERRY XMAS
actually, that figure is nearer £22k (a month is longer than four weeks / plus a few extra days for the leap years).

...and to get that £22k in your pocket, you have to earn nearer £28k. Geesh that's a lot.

Thanks for the post, IV. It's made me think!

Strider, The Pride Lands says...
5:58pm Sat 19 Dec 09

I see they've now opened yet another trendy theme pub with dance music and a pool Table in Cambrian Road for a few displaced Chav Scum..

Such high hopes for Cambrain Road and now all Chav pubs.. The other Chav Pubs will now sell the alcohol even cheaper just to compete with one another.. Words fail me

Bobevans, Newport says...
5:28pm Sun 20 Dec 09

The real reason they are closing is that they have not moved with the times. Most people want to go to a pub with a good atmosphere and good decor and that are clean and have clean toilets.
What we tend to get are the town centre drinking dens & clubs. Scruffy places attracting the low life and chavs. The main function of these places is to extract as much money as possible from the punters in the shortest amount of space. They do this by pretty much removing tables & chairs as they sell more booze that way and can pack more punters in. They don’t care if they are underage or drunk. If they have money and can stand up still they will serve them.
Then you get the old traditional local pubs most are now managed. Most are scruffy and run down and tend to attract the older drinker. They don’t want to know about families of food. There is not much of a market for these pubs nowadays hence the constant closures.
The third group are the ones that have moved with the times. These Pubs are well looked after, well decorated and cater for families and provide quality food. Most of these Pubs are doing well
Another reason for the decline in the badly run Pubs is there is far more competition no. When pubs were in there heyday if you wanted to go out in the evening the only real choice was a Pub or a Cinema and if you wanted to eat it was fish & chips. The world moved on but most Pubs did not.
Perhaps the local Pubs need to reinvent themselves and become less reliant on selling booze. The Pub could perhaps house a small general store / Post Office as well as being a pub.
Another reason for closing Pubs is the longer drinking hours. It increases costs whilst making little difference to revenues. People have only so much to spend. Pubs now typically open 15 hours a day. In the Past it would have been about 8 Hours.

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