LIVE: Newport council debate, Tories walk out

LIVE: Newport council debate

LIVE: Newport council debate

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NEWPORT’S Conservative group walked out of a full council meeting en masse tonight.

The group asked no questions of the leader or cabinet members during the meeting's question and answer session for the leader.

Opposition members are still angry over changes to full council, made after May's election, which mean questions must be submitted in writing four days in advance and cannot be said off-the-cuff at the meeting.

However Labour cabinet member Mark Whitcutt said there were a series of items on the agenda where there was completely open debate and accused the Tories of being politically bankrupt.

Of the six questions asked to the leader and cabinet members, all were from the Labour group's own members.

Members left after Labour leader Councillor Bob Bright, answering a question on the new fairness commission, called a Tory attempt during the meeting to introduce a new selection process for the commission’s chairman a “charade”.

The attempt had been defeated and the commission's chairman Professor Steve Smith nomination was endorsed by council.

Tory councillors, who left during the Q&A session at the end of the meeting, accused the leader Bob Bright of grandstanding and say they don’t have a right to reply.

Howeever Councllor Bright himself said he had never left a meeting in his whole political career.

The Argus covered the full council meeting for the first time on Twitter and in a live blog on this website.

You can read how the meeting unfolded below.

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4:10pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Goldy_Lookin_Clart says...

Warrabout we Take the Civic Out to the People like, in Pill and them Tory Toffs in their BMW's want Turn up. Hey presto issue wiv Tories ez over like
Warrabout we Take the Civic Out to the People like, in Pill and them Tory Toffs in their BMW's want Turn up. Hey presto issue wiv Tories ez over like Goldy_Lookin_Clart
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4:14pm Tue 25 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

All good stuff eh
All good stuff eh james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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4:31pm Tue 25 Sep 12

A. R. Hill says...

Goldy_Lookin_Clart, not all Tories are toffs, Labour has toffs too. I'm sorry to say your comment is just childish.
Goldy_Lookin_Clart, not all Tories are toffs, Labour has toffs too. I'm sorry to say your comment is just childish. A. R. Hill
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4:40pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Amberboy says...

Goldy_Lookin_Clart - Grow Up.

What are labour worried about? Surely they are educated enough to have a debate and respond to off the cuff questions.

Why don't they have an open public debate with the people who pay their wages.
Goldy_Lookin_Clart - Grow Up. What are labour worried about? Surely they are educated enough to have a debate and respond to off the cuff questions. Why don't they have an open public debate with the people who pay their wages. Amberboy
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4:42pm Tue 25 Sep 12

rightsideup says...

GLC,

If you can't say anything thats understandable,best say nothing at all!.
GLC, If you can't say anything thats understandable,best say nothing at all!. rightsideup
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4:48pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Goldy_Lookin_Clart says...

I shudder to fink what broad minded soul in South Wales would or could find themselves voting for the spawn of Thatcherism. That is unless you ez some spiv posho from Ridgeway like. Or you are some deluded dafty from Maindee who do fink he is middle class like.
I shudder to fink what broad minded soul in South Wales would or could find themselves voting for the spawn of Thatcherism. That is unless you ez some spiv posho from Ridgeway like. Or you are some deluded dafty from Maindee who do fink he is middle class like. Goldy_Lookin_Clart
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4:58pm Tue 25 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

GLC - The Labour Leader lives in Allt yr yn.!
GLC - The Labour Leader lives in Allt yr yn.! james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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5:00pm Tue 25 Sep 12

A. R. Hill says...

Goldy_Lookin_Clart

What does that have to do with local Government? You're one of the things wrong with politics today, denouncing anyone who votes for a different party, in your case the Tories, don't hate people for the way they vote, it's simply childish
Goldy_Lookin_Clart What does that have to do with local Government? You're one of the things wrong with politics today, denouncing anyone who votes for a different party, in your case the Tories, don't hate people for the way they vote, it's simply childish A. R. Hill
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5:05pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Goldy_Lookin_Clart says...

That be as it maybe JD, the Ridgeway is where them Milk Snatchers have their bolt wholes!!!!
That be as it maybe JD, the Ridgeway is where them Milk Snatchers have their bolt wholes!!!! Goldy_Lookin_Clart
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5:12pm Tue 25 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

GLC -mthat's where you are wrong. Allt yr yn is pretty wealthy too ---- and beechwood. St Jus, Rogerstone etc. Just look at the addresses of some of the Labourites. Not exactly poor!!!
GLC -mthat's where you are wrong. Allt yr yn is pretty wealthy too ---- and beechwood. St Jus, Rogerstone etc. Just look at the addresses of some of the Labourites. Not exactly poor!!! james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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5:21pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Goldy_Lookin_Clart says...

When we sing the International and march through John Frost Square/Alexander Platz you Tories will be running east to your sanctuary/monmouthsh
ire/england
When we sing the International and march through John Frost Square/Alexander Platz you Tories will be running east to your sanctuary/monmouthsh ire/england Goldy_Lookin_Clart
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5:23pm Tue 25 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

Whos 'you tories'? Aint me brother. Not sure what you are getting at about the council.
Whos 'you tories'? Aint me brother. Not sure what you are getting at about the council. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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5:33pm Tue 25 Sep 12

A. R. Hill says...

Goldy_Lookin_Clart

Are you a Troll? Since you're being an idiot. Tories aren't hated in Wales, some parts they are, but you're just being childish
Goldy_Lookin_Clart Are you a Troll? Since you're being an idiot. Tories aren't hated in Wales, some parts they are, but you're just being childish A. R. Hill
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5:44pm Tue 25 Sep 12

Goldy_Lookin_Clart says...

Fi Fo Fum , I smell Tory "Quislings"
Fi Fo Fum , I smell Tory "Quislings" Goldy_Lookin_Clart
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5:53pm Tue 25 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

glc - love to know what you are apart from daft
glc - love to know what you are apart from daft james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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5:54pm Tue 25 Sep 12

A. R. Hill says...

Goldy_Lookin_Clart

So is Colonel Bob Stewart, who fought for this country and a Tory, a Quisling? Is Churchill a Quisling? You're an idiot Tories are not Traitors
Goldy_Lookin_Clart So is Colonel Bob Stewart, who fought for this country and a Tory, a Quisling? Is Churchill a Quisling? You're an idiot Tories are not Traitors A. R. Hill
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2:52pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Cwmderi says...

I just wonder what has happened to free speech and debate in the Newport council chamber.
Sounds as if Cllr.Bob Bright has established his own version of openness and democracy but has based it on the Chinese/Russian model.
If elected member are not free to ask questions of the Leader and his Cabinet members at full council and have no right to respond, then is there any purpose in holding meetings of the council at all?
I am certainly not and never will be a Tory or Lib Dem but I do believe in free speech and accountability for the running of the council.
Unfortunately it looks as if a Politburo has been firmly installed to govern the good people of Newport.
I just wonder what has happened to free speech and debate in the Newport council chamber. Sounds as if Cllr.Bob Bright has established his own version of openness and democracy but has based it on the Chinese/Russian model. If elected member are not free to ask questions of the Leader and his Cabinet members at full council and have no right to respond, then is there any purpose in holding meetings of the council at all? I am certainly not and never will be a Tory or Lib Dem but I do believe in free speech and accountability for the running of the council. Unfortunately it looks as if a Politburo has been firmly installed to govern the good people of Newport. Cwmderi
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2:59pm Wed 26 Sep 12

Goldy_Lookin_Clart says...

Just look at the Stalanist/North Korean style images around The Port that instruct about how good life in the Port is.
Just look at the Stalanist/North Korean style images around The Port that instruct about how good life in the Port is. Goldy_Lookin_Clart
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3:45pm Wed 26 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

cwmderi - spot on
cwmderi - spot on james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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6:26pm Wed 26 Sep 12

james jackson says...

Don't you dislike false people, like Clart?
Those who pretend to be uneducated but are not.
The dubious prose-style. Is it meant to be "rapper" - cf Goldie Looking Chain or is it just pathetic Labour pretending there is anything socialist about the present set-up in Newport.
His comments about North Korea sum it up. The posters were to "brighten" the city and your lot would do the same.
There is nothing democratic about appointing some professor to make sure there's "fairness".
The first time there is deemed to be "unfairness" in any of the dealings of the Labour cronies and it's pointed out by Prof Smith, it will be bye, bye to him.
Rule one. Don't criticise your Labour pals. Incidentally, this venerable professor is said to have Labour baggage.
No problem there then.
Don't you dislike false people, like Clart? Those who pretend to be uneducated but are not. The dubious prose-style. Is it meant to be "rapper" - cf Goldie Looking Chain or is it just pathetic Labour pretending there is anything socialist about the present set-up in Newport. His comments about North Korea sum it up. The posters were to "brighten" the city and your lot would do the same. There is nothing democratic about appointing some professor to make sure there's "fairness". The first time there is deemed to be "unfairness" in any of the dealings of the Labour cronies and it's pointed out by Prof Smith, it will be bye, bye to him. Rule one. Don't criticise your Labour pals. Incidentally, this venerable professor is said to have Labour baggage. No problem there then. james jackson
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9:11pm Wed 26 Sep 12

disillusioned of Newport says...

Rogerstone Community Council has just introduced a new public question and answer session. However, the website states you have to put your Questions in 7 days before the next council meeting. So community council level get more time than City lot! The next Q&A session is to be heard on 3 October at Welfare Grounds, Rogerstone at 7pm. One Tory Comm Cllr (who didnt get elected as City Councillor) by the good people of Roggie in may this year, has recently resigned. Still speculation as to why??? Do the Argus know and can they report as to why? Wonder if there will be any more Tory resignations at RCC? Whats happening with RCC that the residents dont know about?
Rogerstone Community Council has just introduced a new public question and answer session. However, the website states you have to put your Questions in 7 days before the next council meeting. So community council level get more time than City lot! The next Q&A session is to be heard on 3 October at Welfare Grounds, Rogerstone at 7pm. One Tory Comm Cllr (who didnt get elected as City Councillor) by the good people of Roggie in may this year, has recently resigned. Still speculation as to why??? Do the Argus know and can they report as to why? Wonder if there will be any more Tory resignations at RCC? Whats happening with RCC that the residents dont know about? disillusioned of Newport
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8:40am Thu 27 Sep 12

snafu1 says...

Bet that didn,t take long the people of newport don,t want the tories as demonstrated at the local elections in may !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!
Bet that didn,t take long the people of newport don,t want the tories as demonstrated at the local elections in may !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! snafu1
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2:17pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Carrot's says...

What is it with the hatred of the Tories - generally from the workshy and disenfranchised. Fact: work hard and take responsibilty for your own life = success. Convince yourself you are downtrodden and everyone else is to blame - it will become a self fulfilling prophesy. As per last comment - people of Newport dont want the Tories - they would rather the totalitarian regime of the numpties in situ - so we can all whinge about the tory government and wallow in our self pity and then drown in the mire of squalor and despair that is what our fine city has inevitably become. Well, i've had enough, I will go and live my life somewhere more positive - goodbye.
What is it with the hatred of the Tories - generally from the workshy and disenfranchised. Fact: work hard and take responsibilty for your own life = success. Convince yourself you are downtrodden and everyone else is to blame - it will become a self fulfilling prophesy. As per last comment - people of Newport dont want the Tories - they would rather the totalitarian regime of the numpties in situ - so we can all whinge about the tory government and wallow in our self pity and then drown in the mire of squalor and despair that is what our fine city has inevitably become. Well, i've had enough, I will go and live my life somewhere more positive - goodbye. Carrot's
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3:14pm Thu 27 Sep 12

james jackson says...

Well said, that last man or woman. And it's to Labour's advantage to keep people downtrodden and unquestioning.
The "working class" as Labour likes to present itself is completely phoney.
Look at the neo-Tory Blair, son of Thatcher. Look at the millionaire Millibands and the "we're happy with the stinking rich", Mandelson.
It's enough to make one ill - the hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Well said, that last man or woman. And it's to Labour's advantage to keep people downtrodden and unquestioning. The "working class" as Labour likes to present itself is completely phoney. Look at the neo-Tory Blair, son of Thatcher. Look at the millionaire Millibands and the "we're happy with the stinking rich", Mandelson. It's enough to make one ill - the hypocrisy knows no bounds. james jackson
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3:21pm Thu 27 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

Jimmy Jackson - Totally agree. New Labour ruined Labour. In part that's why we now have career politicians and spivs. Even many of the well known labour of the 20s, 30s, 40s never died poor. Even Ny Bevan had a bit stashed away and land in Oxon.
Jimmy Jackson - Totally agree. New Labour ruined Labour. In part that's why we now have career politicians and spivs. Even many of the well known labour of the 20s, 30s, 40s never died poor. Even Ny Bevan had a bit stashed away and land in Oxon. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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7:57pm Thu 27 Sep 12

A. R. Hill says...

James Dyer

The difference between Nye Bevan and today's politicians is that Nye never forgot where he came from, I don't agree with Nye on a lot of his policies, but I respect him greatly.
James Dyer The difference between Nye Bevan and today's politicians is that Nye never forgot where he came from, I don't agree with Nye on a lot of his policies, but I respect him greatly. A. R. Hill
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8:36pm Thu 27 Sep 12

disillusioned of Newport says...

Whatever your political preferences, these City Councillors who get paid a reasonable allowance as well as a special allowance if you are in cabinet, have no right to walk out of these meetings, spitting out their dummies because they dont like the policies that are in place at that point in time. Grow up Councillors - you are elected to represent the people of Newport and do your best for the City. Its not about your own self gratification! if you cant do that, then you have no business being a City Councillor! We see enough stupid antics going on in Westminster without having to deal with it at local level!
Whatever your political preferences, these City Councillors who get paid a reasonable allowance as well as a special allowance if you are in cabinet, have no right to walk out of these meetings, spitting out their dummies because they dont like the policies that are in place at that point in time. Grow up Councillors - you are elected to represent the people of Newport and do your best for the City. Its not about your own self gratification! if you cant do that, then you have no business being a City Councillor! We see enough stupid antics going on in Westminster without having to deal with it at local level! disillusioned of Newport
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11:13pm Thu 27 Sep 12

Jones 707 says...

I dont blame them for walking out, if you can't ask questions or are not allowed to reply, then the meetings seem a waste of time. And why can't Labour see it must be wrong to appoint someone without going through a proper selection process ??
I dont blame them for walking out, if you can't ask questions or are not allowed to reply, then the meetings seem a waste of time. And why can't Labour see it must be wrong to appoint someone without going through a proper selection process ?? Jones 707
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8:08am Fri 28 Sep 12

snafu1 says...

The last con/lib council dear ratepayers blew £345000(yes that is not a typo three hundred and forty five thousand pounds)on their crass attack on newport taxi drivers in their failed legal attempt to force older taxi,s off road didn,t see that in the free local paper did we ,i wonder why thats how compe tent they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!
The last con/lib council dear ratepayers blew £345000(yes that is not a typo three hundred and forty five thousand pounds)on their crass attack on newport taxi drivers in their failed legal attempt to force older taxi,s off road didn,t see that in the free local paper did we ,i wonder why thats how compe tent they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! snafu1
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10:05am Fri 28 Sep 12

james jackson says...

That's obviously why the last administration was found to be more than competent with the financial management of the council.
The last audit will verify this. Check it out if you want to.
The present incumbents are also seeking to root out old taxis and it's right that they should.
Labour has wasted millions of Newport council taxpayers' money over the years, not least in their failed enterprises such as LG. the grandiose town centre plans and the barrage, that came to nothing. Where did the money go?
At least the 2008-12 council cut cabinet posts and ended the culture of free lunches and expenses. No party is blameless when in power, but what do this lot do when they sniff power again?
They immediately increase spending on social services despite being told by the director that Social Services was adequately catered for in 2012-13. Check out the number of new cabinet posts, especially those given to people who are not quite up to the job.
Life sure is good for some Newport people. What a pity it doesn't extend to people who deserve it.
That's obviously why the last administration was found to be more than competent with the financial management of the council. The last audit will verify this. Check it out if you want to. The present incumbents are also seeking to root out old taxis and it's right that they should. Labour has wasted millions of Newport council taxpayers' money over the years, not least in their failed enterprises such as LG. the grandiose town centre plans and the barrage, that came to nothing. Where did the money go? At least the 2008-12 council cut cabinet posts and ended the culture of free lunches and expenses. No party is blameless when in power, but what do this lot do when they sniff power again? They immediately increase spending on social services despite being told by the director that Social Services was adequately catered for in 2012-13. Check out the number of new cabinet posts, especially those given to people who are not quite up to the job. Life sure is good for some Newport people. What a pity it doesn't extend to people who deserve it. james jackson
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10:19am Fri 28 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

James jackson - some good points and i agree. Half of the thrill of local politics is thrusting debates in the chamber. Still early days for this Labour lot. Wait til the populace have something to gripe about.
James jackson - some good points and i agree. Half of the thrill of local politics is thrusting debates in the chamber. Still early days for this Labour lot. Wait til the populace have something to gripe about. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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1:25pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Arco2012 says...

Bob Bright has totally stifled debate so there is not much point in watching his 'Grandstanding' to his socialists cronies. Interesting how the previous Council leader Cllr M Evans would allow all questions off the cuff for as long as they came, and, in twice as many full Council meetings per annum too. Never forget also, the £2 Trillion pounds the socialists left this Country in debt, £345k is a drop in the ocean although disappointing.
Bob Bright has totally stifled debate so there is not much point in watching his 'Grandstanding' to his socialists cronies. Interesting how the previous Council leader Cllr M Evans would allow all questions off the cuff for as long as they came, and, in twice as many full Council meetings per annum too. Never forget also, the £2 Trillion pounds the socialists left this Country in debt, £345k is a drop in the ocean although disappointing. Arco2012
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5:19pm Fri 28 Sep 12

Cymru Am Beth says...

Carrot's wrote:
What is it with the hatred of the Tories - generally from the workshy and disenfranchised. Fact: work hard and take responsibilty for your own life = success. Convince yourself you are downtrodden and everyone else is to blame - it will become a self fulfilling prophesy. As per last comment - people of Newport dont want the Tories - they would rather the totalitarian regime of the numpties in situ - so we can all whinge about the tory government and wallow in our self pity and then drown in the mire of squalor and despair that is what our fine city has inevitably become. Well, i've had enough, I will go and live my life somewhere more positive - goodbye.
Excellent post.
Totally agree.
[quote][p][bold]Carrot's[/bold] wrote: What is it with the hatred of the Tories - generally from the workshy and disenfranchised. Fact: work hard and take responsibilty for your own life = success. Convince yourself you are downtrodden and everyone else is to blame - it will become a self fulfilling prophesy. As per last comment - people of Newport dont want the Tories - they would rather the totalitarian regime of the numpties in situ - so we can all whinge about the tory government and wallow in our self pity and then drown in the mire of squalor and despair that is what our fine city has inevitably become. Well, i've had enough, I will go and live my life somewhere more positive - goodbye.[/p][/quote]Excellent post. Totally agree. Cymru Am Beth
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1:08pm Sun 30 Sep 12

Cwmderi says...

It must be a Labour party policy. "Newport Labour council increase numbers on Cabinet"

Almost as good as Caerphilly, who when in opposition put a notice of motion to to save money and cut the cabinet members from 9 to 8.

You'll never guess what they did at their very first meeting when they took control in May?
Increased the No. in cabinet from 9 to 10 at cost of £28,700
Increased the No. of Deputy Leaders from 1 to 2. with both receiving £31,120
Increased the number of Chairs receiving senior salaries and gave all Chairs a massive increase of £3,333 each, at a cost of more than £30,000 to the ratepayers.
(less work for more pay)
Some say good old Labour and some say the truth.
It must be a Labour party policy. "Newport Labour council increase numbers on Cabinet" Almost as good as Caerphilly, who when in opposition put a notice of motion to to save money and cut the cabinet members from 9 to 8. You'll never guess what they did at their very first meeting when they took control in May? Increased the No. in cabinet from 9 to 10 at cost of £28,700 Increased the No. of Deputy Leaders from 1 to 2. with both receiving £31,120 Increased the number of Chairs receiving senior salaries and gave all Chairs a massive increase of £3,333 each, at a cost of more than £30,000 to the ratepayers. (less work for more pay) Some say good old Labour and some say the truth. Cwmderi
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1:18pm Sun 30 Sep 12

james.dyer7@ntlworld.com says...

cwmderi - the trouble is most Labour followers refuse to accept the truth. In fact they are no worse or better than any other party. Very few are there for the good of the people.
cwmderi - the trouble is most Labour followers refuse to accept the truth. In fact they are no worse or better than any other party. Very few are there for the good of the people. james.dyer7@ntlworld.com
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11:24am Mon 1 Oct 12

pinpong says...

snafu1 wrote:
The last con/lib council dear ratepayers blew £345000(yes that is not a typo three hundred and forty five thousand pounds)on their crass attack on newport taxi drivers in their failed legal attempt to force older taxi,s off road didn,t see that in the free local paper did we ,i wonder why thats how compe tent they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
Get these rotten old taxis off the road. Most taxi drivers are claiming benefits to top up there money so why are they concerned when the council asked them to improve there cars.
I guess they would rather spend their money on holidays and not on the safety and comfort of their passengers.
[quote][p][bold]snafu1[/bold] wrote: The last con/lib council dear ratepayers blew £345000(yes that is not a typo three hundred and forty five thousand pounds)on their crass attack on newport taxi drivers in their failed legal attempt to force older taxi,s off road didn,t see that in the free local paper did we ,i wonder why thats how compe tent they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!![/p][/quote]Get these rotten old taxis off the road. Most taxi drivers are claiming benefits to top up there money so why are they concerned when the council asked them to improve there cars. I guess they would rather spend their money on holidays and not on the safety and comfort of their passengers. pinpong
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