Appeal to decide if Newport council can take down religious sign (From South Wales Argus)
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Appeal to decide if Newport council can take down religious sign
10:20am Monday 28th January 2013 in Gwent news
APPEAL CASE: The house in Maindee, Newport, where planning permission for this sign has been refused
A MAN has taken Newport council to a planning appeal after he was refused permission to keep an Islamic religious symbol on his house.
Mahmood Ali applied for permission to keep a sign, which includes the Islamic creed, at his house at Chepstow Road.
Planning officers refused, arguing the sign, under planning regulations, constitutes an obtrusive advertisement.
Mr Ali said the sign is not an advertisement and is simply there to bless the house.
The refusal of advertising consent will be subject to an public hearing in Newport Civic Centre on February 15.
In Arabic, the sign includes the declaration of the Islamic faith, the Islamic creed. It says: “There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.” It is around two metres wide and 60cm in height and is made out of green lettering.
It is not lit, but Mr Ali has applied for permission to illuminate it.
Mr Ali argued that the sign’s green colour was chosen to reflect the ambience of the property’s character and its surroundings.
He said the “low voltage” lighting would only illuminate the symbols.
“The symbols are not an advertisement in any sense of the words used in daily life,” he said.
Under planning regulations, the term ‘advertisement’ has a broad meaning, and includes any word, letter, model, sign, placard, board or notice used for advertising, making an announcement or direction.
The council’s statement of case for the appeal said the sign “consists of letters and words that announce religious faith and so can be considered to be an advertisement,” and express planning consent is required.
It says the authority’s objection is on “amenity grounds only”.
The case reads: “The advertisement is prominently sited upon the host building and is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area. Its size and position on the building make it obtrusive.”
The statement said the property is domestic property and is not a mosque, where such signs might be expected.
Comments(158)
Mwy Eira
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10:53am Mon 28 Jan 13
sherrie
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11:09am Mon 28 Jan 13
coalpicker
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11:17am Mon 28 Jan 13
Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read
Karachi ?
whatintheworld
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11:58am Mon 28 Jan 13
That's why it's getting taken down. Don't want and riff raff near there.
In seriousness though, 2x1metre is a bit of a silly size
Mr Bump.
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1:06pm Mon 28 Jan 13
coalpicker wrote:I'm surprised this type of comment is allowed to remain on the Argus website.
When is Newport intending to twin with
Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read
Karachi ?
County
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1:49pm Mon 28 Jan 13
blackandamber
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1:52pm Mon 28 Jan 13
whatintheworld
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1:53pm Mon 28 Jan 13
coalpicker
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1:58pm Mon 28 Jan 13
Mr Bump.
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3:19pm Mon 28 Jan 13
blackandamber wrote:Are you serious? It's nothing more than a bigoted comment, and has nothing whatsoever to do with this story.
Free speech (remember that) Mr Bump whether you approve or not. You should defend to the death Coalpicker's right to say it.
coalpicker
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3:34pm Mon 28 Jan 13
TJnewport
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7:05pm Mon 28 Jan 13
NakedDancer
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8:10pm Mon 28 Jan 13
More worrying is his motivation...is he just trying to wind people up?. He who has the biggest most gawdy sign wins !
cath 872
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9:34pm Mon 28 Jan 13
Mike_J
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10:31pm Mon 28 Jan 13
I see a house every day to work which says
who will save you on the day of judgement:
a- allah
b - buddhist
or
C - CHRIST
Only today after reading this story I rang the council and found out that no one has complained and nothing would be done even though that is bigger than 2 meters by 1 meter on a 3 bedroom house.
The reason for me mentioning the size is that this house is a huge building and the 2 by 1 sign seems comparability small or the correct sizes and fits in nice.
The media once again showing one side (the one it wants to or someone has told them). Am sure we got a bigger problem such as our high street rather than worrying about an Islamic sign.
Green is for peace in Islam and the colour of the house is Yellow and not pink. But obviously you have only seen a 2 by 1 picture of the house.
Mr Bump.
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11:04pm Mon 28 Jan 13
cath 872 wrote:As a non believer i'm all for getting rid of religion, but getting rid of religion wouldn't solve the problem of people like Coalpicker.
There is a house near 14 locks cafe that has a large christian sign on the side clear to anyone passing by. If the council want to remove the islamic sign then christian ones should go too. And jewish, buddhist or whatever. In fact ALL religious symbols should go. Even better - abolish religion and give women and gays a better life.
Dee-Gee
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11:45pm Mon 28 Jan 13
Mike_J
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12:18am Tue 29 Jan 13
Dee-Gee wrote:Maybe not being biased with a certain religion will help. Equality.
Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?
If one religious sign comes down and then all should. If one is reported why aint the other? Maybe people have personal scores to settle.
smokintheweed
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1:37am Tue 29 Jan 13
tomh2012
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3:23am Tue 29 Jan 13
Mr Bump.
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6:22am Tue 29 Jan 13
tomh2012 wrote:You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
gathin
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9:10am Tue 29 Jan 13
Religion is complete slavery anyway and this man with it festooned on his house has really created his own chains.
Good old UK.. Immigration has completely failed, eh?
bobjones2011
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9:16am Tue 29 Jan 13
coalpicker
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9:18am Tue 29 Jan 13
from Tony Blairs thirteen years of indoctrination.Obvio
usly, also, he has not researched the word Bigot, fits him like a glove.
tomh2012
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10:11am Tue 29 Jan 13
Gathin- you may refer to me as a ignoramus if you wish but show the general public a swastika and 8 maybe 9/10 will tell you it's the sign used by the nazis and have no idea it is a pagan symbol of sun.
Mervyn James
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10:14am Tue 29 Jan 13
sherrie wrote:Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
gathin
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10:17am Tue 29 Jan 13
The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be?
I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist.
Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.
NakedDancer
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10:50am Tue 29 Jan 13
Mervyn James wrote:Agreed. At best this is selfish pretentious behaviour with no consideration for other people, especially the neighbours. Houses are not advertising hoardings.
sherrie wrote:Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
In a similar vein I dislike the growing number of inappropriate roadside memorials. I'm fed up of explaining them to the kids.
We seem to have lost some personal decorum in the UK that used to be applied to such subjects.
NakedDancer
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11:01am Tue 29 Jan 13
Mike_J wrote:Hmm. Green on yellow and lit up on a huge building - thats ok then, I'm sure the neighbours will love it.
Reading some of these comments it really does sound like Islamophobia is getting more common.
I see a house every day to work which says
who will save you on the day of judgement:
a- allah
b - buddhist
or
C - CHRIST
Only today after reading this story I rang the council and found out that no one has complained and nothing would be done even though that is bigger than 2 meters by 1 meter on a 3 bedroom house.
The reason for me mentioning the size is that this house is a huge building and the 2 by 1 sign seems comparability small or the correct sizes and fits in nice.
The media once again showing one side (the one it wants to or someone has told them). Am sure we got a bigger problem such as our high street rather than worrying about an Islamic sign.
Green is for peace in Islam and the colour of the house is Yellow and not pink. But obviously you have only seen a 2 by 1 picture of the house.
When i was a kid we would have just laughed at a house with a large religious advert on it (of any religion) - indicating a nutter lived there. Unfortunately such things are more sensitive nowadays and Islamaphobia is indeed getting more common - partly due to un-neighbourly actions like this.
let em swing
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12:34pm Tue 29 Jan 13
let em swing
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12:40pm Tue 29 Jan 13
gathin
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1:46pm Tue 29 Jan 13
rhinestine
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1:47pm Tue 29 Jan 13
The thing with Muslims and religion as a whole, is that it causes problems!
If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?
This millionaire made his fortune here in the UK no doubt, but has no respect for his neighbours, or any loyalty to the GB flag I bet, just out to cause problems and get a reaction.
Dee-Gee
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1:48pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Mike_J wrote:I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "not being biased with a certain religion will help"? I'm going to assume that you mean that the person who reported it has something against Islam, but please let me know if I've misunderstood.
Dee-Gee wrote:Maybe not being biased with a certain religion will help. Equality.
Can't comment on the vagaries of planning law... but I'm pretty sure that a 60cm tall *illuminated* sign so ostentatiously displayed is not in keeping with the principal of modesty. Perhaps the imam will have a quiet word?
If one religious sign comes down and then all should. If one is reported why aint the other? Maybe people have personal scores to settle.
Unfortunately, it may be the case that it was reported spitefully, but as long as the law is applied equally to all religions when reports are received, that's all the planning officers can really do. Personally though, I'd think that it was probably more motivated by concerns about property values than any particular grudge. It's been a difficult decade for religious tolerance, and I can understand that religious communities must feel like the whole world's against them sometimes, especially if you read online comments.
But out in the real world, people generally want to just get on with their lives and not worry about stuff like that. They do worry about their house values though!
Dee-Gee
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2:01pm Tue 29 Jan 13
tomh2012 wrote:It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997....
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
http://www.webcitati
on.org/632PVQm8Q
If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.
gathin
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2:05pm Tue 29 Jan 13
It's not Saudi, Yemen, Kuwait or anywhere else. I'm agnostic where it comes to religion but thios is a Christian country. The adage "when in Rome" should have been enforced before this got out of hand and unfortunately it is now far,far too late.
tomh2012
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2:12pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Dee-Gee wrote:Several friends and mutual contacts that worked in asda and sainsburys were told by management no to say merry Christmas but instead say happy holidays as some may be offended if their religion does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Same was said sever schools throughout Newport.
tomh2012 wrote:It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997....
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
http://www.webcitati
on.org/632PVQm8Q
If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.
coalpicker
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2:35pm Tue 29 Jan 13
newspapers , you will find that you are in that category. Can recommend
Littlejohn in the Mail today. Please
accept my concern for your cataracts,
perhaps specsavers could be an option .
Independentvoter
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3:10pm Tue 29 Jan 13
You would not see British people who have permanantly moved to Spain flying a British Flag or displaying a Christian sign outside any of their Cafes or Bars. Would you ?
let em swing
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3:11pm Tue 29 Jan 13
let em swing
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3:15pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Mr Bump.
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3:20pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Mr Bump.
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3:32pm Tue 29 Jan 13
rhinestine wrote:Rhinestein "If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?"
It's a disgrace really, if he wants to have these kind of signs, do it in a Muslim country where this kind of thing is acceptable and the norm.
The thing with Muslims and religion as a whole, is that it causes problems!
If I lived in a Muslim country and put a cross on the side of my house, I wonder what the reaction to that would be?
This millionaire made his fortune here in the UK no doubt, but has no respect for his neighbours, or any loyalty to the GB flag I bet, just out to cause problems and get a reaction.
I imagine you'd stir them up further by setting it on fire and wear a pillowcase over your head. ;-)
coalpicker
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3:51pm Tue 29 Jan 13
and The western mail,Also a
TGWU district Chairman, regional TUC
Representative ,County and local authority member ,Ex Coal Miner and Regular soldier serving in Korea, various countries in the middle east,and Europe. Very right wing ?
coalpicker
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4:02pm Tue 29 Jan 13
and PC, he would not recite Baa Baa Blacksheep to his grand children .
Dee-Gee
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4:25pm Tue 29 Jan 13
tomh2012 wrote:That is very concerning. Which ASDA and Sainsburys? And can you tell me which schools?
Dee-Gee wrote:Several friends and mutual contacts that worked in asda and sainsburys were told by management no to say merry Christmas but instead say happy holidays as some may be offended if their religion does not celebrate the birth of Christ. Same was said sever schools throughout Newport.
tomh2012 wrote:It has NOT got to the point where staff at large chain stores and schools are not allowed to say Merry christmas - this is a stupid, paranoid lie that's been going for years, right back before Birmingham Council supposedly "banned Christmas" in 1997....
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
http://www.webcitati
on.org/632PVQm8Q
If you can tell me which stores and schools have banned saying "Merry Christmas", I will donate a day's pay to the "Keep Christ in Christmas Campaign", and campaign against the ban.
Dee-Gee
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4:30pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Anne teak
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5:04pm Tue 29 Jan 13
There is no speaking involved.
As far as I know, the UK has not got a long tradition of 'free signage'.
Strider
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6:11pm Tue 29 Jan 13
smokintheweed wrote:Agreed!!! It was only reported as the Argus knew the 200 + posts containing the usual tit for tat insults from Internet Rambo's shouting everyone down.. Well the Argus did well out of all those hits..
This is not news. This is not important either.
let em swing
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6:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Strider wrote:Well its made the dailys so obviously its newsworthy.
smokintheweed wrote:Agreed!!! It was only reported as the Argus knew the 200 + posts containing the usual tit for tat insults from Internet Rambo's shouting everyone down.. Well the Argus did well out of all those hits..
This is not news. This is not important either.
llandaff
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7:04pm Tue 29 Jan 13
welshmen
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7:36pm Tue 29 Jan 13
While this Religion keeps chipping away at our Christian based way of life and the Mp's keep sucking up to them for votes things will as mentioned get worse as there population exceeds the indigenous British, Religion is not a RACE don't be fooled by the PC posters here, we are entitled to debate anything we find of interest,Some one mention the Nazi's, there Leader Mr Hitler tried to spread his doctrine by bombing Europe, this Country and the rest of the world, he failed thank God, if he had tried not firing one bullet and relied on breeding the out come could have been the same as we are experiencing now....
let em swing
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7:38pm Tue 29 Jan 13
http://www.liveleak.
com/view?i=9cd_13569
13972
Limestonecowboy
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8:58pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Riley2012
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9:18pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Dee-Gee
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9:47pm Tue 29 Jan 13
Oh em gee a man put up a tacky sign on his house and is appealing against removing it... it's the end of days and civilization as we know it... the sky is falling!
scraptheWAG
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10:52pm Tue 29 Jan 13
foxy3rd
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10:53pm Tue 29 Jan 13
If he is trying to force his dogma on people then it's a different matter.If you asked which European country had forced a small neighbour to stop teaching it's children their own language and forced adults whose names they couldn't understand to change them,that the perpertrator would have been Stalinist Russia or nazi Germany.When one sees that the names that they were forced to take were biblical ones surnames such as Adam,Abraham,Daniel,
David,Isaac,Jeremiah
,John,Joseph,Moses etc.etc.etc.or Jones,it would surprise most people to learn that England had done it to Wales to keep control of Wales' natural resources to build the empire.Thin end of the wedge this sign.;-)
rhinestine
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10:24am Wed 30 Jan 13
If people want to live here, no problem, support themselves, get a job and integrate and respect the country, fine, no problem.
But it seems a large portion of people who settle here do not want to integrate, they want to take over and take control, they see any opposition they may face as a breach of their human rights.
Dee-Gee
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11:27am Wed 30 Jan 13
I think most people are happy for others to do what they want, as long as it's within the law and not bothering anyone.
rhinestine
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11:46am Wed 30 Jan 13
Do you see the point? Integration and respect is the key here.
welshmen
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11:48am Wed 30 Jan 13
username2
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12:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rhinestine
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12:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13
This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.
Howie'
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12:36pm Wed 30 Jan 13
welshmen
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1:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rhinestine
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1:49pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Howie' wrote:Your right, it would not have attracted so much attention, but what the sign says is provocative and the fact that, again, a Muslim is up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture.
63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.
If the story was not in relation to Muslim, then the Argus would not have bothered printing it...would they?
It would be nice for a change for people to have some respect for the folk who live here.
gathin
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1:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13
I'm just amazed that these posts, even though I agree and condone the majority of the public views, haven't been censored.
rhinestine
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2:11pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mr Bump.
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2:59pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rhinestine wrote:No it isn't.
The whole country is at breaking point......
welshmen
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3:30pm Wed 30 Jan 13
gathin wrote:Censored for what? telling the truth? debating a UK & EU problem? freedom of speech is still available in this country....that's why we use this post...
I think it still would have been posted as there's not an awful lot going on around town.
I'm just amazed that these posts, even though I agree and condone the majority of the public views, haven't been censored.
county mad
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3:37pm Wed 30 Jan 13
sillybilly43
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3:56pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mr Bump. wrote:"In the minority"???? NO. I am a bit cheesed off with all the pandering to incomers. If you come...WELCOME, BUT take the ways of THIS country, not import the ways of your home country. SORTED
tomh2012 wrote:You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
let em swing
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3:58pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mr Bump. wrote:Yes it is.
rhinestine wrote:No it isn't.
The whole country is at breaking point......
welshmen
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4:49pm Wed 30 Jan 13
let em swing wrote:Definitely is....
Mr Bump. wrote:Yes it is.
rhinestine wrote:No it isn't.
The whole country is at breaking point......
Mr Bump.
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5:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13
sillybilly43 wrote:Well you certainly live up to your name.
Mr Bump. wrote:"In the minority"???? NO. I am a bit cheesed off with all the pandering to incomers. If you come...WELCOME, BUT take the ways of THIS country, not import the ways of your home country. SORTED
tomh2012 wrote:You might have no intention of coming across as racist, but you certainly do. Thankfully people with views like you are the Minority in this country.
I don't see why this should be accepted, with no intention of coming across as racist but this is Great BRITAIN but yet we constantly have to adapt our laws and way of living to accommodate for minorities, which may i add are not such a minority anymore. Its got to the point where staff at large chain shops and schools are no longer allowed to say merry christmas as it may offend the religious minorities. Fair enough that this person has their beliefs they are entitled to that as a human being but if somebody was a supporter of the nazi regime and made a swastika available for all to see then it would not be tolerated, so i ask why make acceptions for other beleifs and religions. There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes.
dragonlady1
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7:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mwy Eira
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7:53pm Wed 30 Jan 13
I agree with you Tomh2012
"There are many places of worship for many religions throughout newport where a persons feeling and loyalty to their religion can be shown there or from inside there homes."
They can also show it by they way they dress too.
dailoco
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8:12pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
Mr Bump.
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10:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13
dailoco wrote:I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
dailoco
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10:39pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77
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10:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77
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10:55pm Wed 30 Jan 13
gathin wrote:Gathin , how many muslim nations have we invaded and destroyed in the last ten years ? Now where do you think those people with destroyed properties in Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan etc where should they go ? We steal they OIL and destroy their nations , they come over here seeking asylum and they are treated like animals by shallow minded brain washed racists . That sign is in arabic and not a lot of people can even read that it. Why should people object to something they can't even read ?
Disinformation is the word, my friend.
The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be?
I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist.
Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.
FreeSpirit77
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11:01pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77
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11:04pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77
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11:08pm Wed 30 Jan 13
dailoco wrote:The politicians are destroying the country and not minority innocent people . Who makes the rules and laws in this country, its the government . They send the poor men kids to fight nonsense corparate OIL wars while they get richer and the poor people get more poorer.WAKE UP and stop hating
Wake up and see for yourself or are you to myopic to see what is happening to our Country
FreeSpirit77
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11:10pm Wed 30 Jan 13
welshmen wrote:Politicians are causing the problems and certainly not the minorities so take your problems to the politicians who spend the tax payers money on corparate OIL wars .
let em swing wrote:Definitely is....
Mr Bump. wrote:Yes it is.
rhinestine wrote:No it isn't.
The whole country is at breaking point......
FreeSpirit77
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11:11pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mwy Eira wrote:Can you even read arabic because most people in Newport can't even read english .
2 metres wide and 60 cm high - Why on earth does it have to be that big! A lot of people from various religions put a message by the front door to bless the house but it can only be read as you walk through or near the door. My neighbours are muslims and they express their religion by they way they live their lives and not through this type of thing. Quite shameful when you think how much money will have been wasted too.
FreeSpirit77
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11:14pm Wed 30 Jan 13
ninebalehigh wrote:Can you read arabic because most people in Newport can't even read english . Why should people worry about something they can't even read , this is supposed to be a FREE COUNTRY . Is racism part of democracy in Wales? I say its his property , the man must be allowed to put a sign .
I shouldn't get involved, but how does a green sign on a pink house reflect the ambience of the property's character and surroundings?
FreeSpirit77
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11:15pm Wed 30 Jan 13
sherrie wrote:Shallow minded ignorance , you cant even read arabic or english so why should an arabic sign worry you ?
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
FreeSpirit77
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11:18pm Wed 30 Jan 13
coalpicker wrote:Since the invasions of Iraq , Afghanistan , Libya and soon Iran we will see more muslims coming to seek asylum in Britian because we destroy they nations for OIL .Coal picker , blame your warmonger politicians and leave the innocent minorities out of your problems because you had problms way before they arrived.
When is Newport intending to twin with
Mogadishu ? Sorry, should that read
Karachi ?
FreeSpirit77
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11:22pm Wed 30 Jan 13
whatintheworld wrote:Nonsense , you are one of those ignorance people with racist tendencies . You complain because it's a muslim sign however you can't even read arabic so whats your point ? It's his property let the man be free to do whatever he please. Where is the freedom ? This is nothing but muslim hate from shallow minded brain washed people.
"is also prominent within the (Kensington Place) conservation area."
That's why it's getting taken down. Don't want and riff raff near there.
In seriousness though, 2x1metre is a bit of a silly size
FreeSpirit77
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11:25pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mervyn James wrote:Even if you live next door , you can't even read arabic , so what's your point ? People pay council taxes and still they are not free to do whatever they want in their private properties. Is this racism part of democracy ?
sherrie wrote:Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
Wildethoughts
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11:32pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Mr Bump. wrote:"we are very close to being a Islamic society" "tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a country that has the same values"
dailoco wrote:I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
Dear, dear me. Its not Muslims that are the problem in this country. Its attitudes like that that are racist and cause division within communities. How many Muslims do you actually know? I mean really know, not read about in the newspapers. Its racism not Muslims that that lead to fractured communities and mistrust/ fear of 'otherness'.
FreeSpirit77
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11:34pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77 wrote:People can leave their christmas lights for the whole year on display , now would anyone complain about this ? The proplem is that people only want to hate because they want to blame other people for their own failures in life. This society in Wales is starting to blame minorities for their own life failures.
Mervyn James wrote:Even if you live next door , you can't even read arabic , so what's your point ? People pay council taxes and still they are not free to do whatever they want in their private properties. Is this racism part of democracy ?
sherrie wrote:Some of us DO that's the trouble ! There is no reason to put signs up like that. It isn't a church, or licensed establishment that needs to. It is telling US Islam is there. No doubt the council will have no objection if I stick a flashing neon notice over my door Jesus is the way etc.... after all religious freedom is what we are about isn't it ? Why do I feel the council WON'T let me do that ? one rule for all. Will the council chicken out of saying take it down ? you read it here first !
I'm so glad I don't live next door to that.... It really looks quite ugly!
FreeSpirit77
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11:42pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Wildethoughts wrote:Muslims , are religious people most of them and yet our british culture is mainly about the opposite things which the muslims are against ie alcohol , cheap women who easily open their legs to anything, pub cultures, drugs etc. This is one reason why socialising and intergrating are very difficult in Britian between muslims and locals. However we go around the world forcing democracy and freedom in every nation yet we have no freedom in Britian to do whatever we want on our own private properties. You spoke of Australia, well Australia is a stolen nation which originally belongs to the native aborigines who are not christians. So the British colonials force their culture on other people in a stolen nation of Australia
Mr Bump. wrote:"we are very close to being a Islamic society" "tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a country that has the same values"
dailoco wrote:I've never read such paranoid rubbish in all my life. None of that, even if were true, which it isn't, has anything to do with the story.
Most of the comments so far are very much to the point.The majority of Muslims do not even try to be a British subject,they live in little enclaves and many do not even speak our native tongue or even want to.
Yes it is correct to mention the wearing of the Christian cross in work,that is a no no but if a Muslim wants to wear a Burka no problem at all.
We are very close to a being a Islamic society and as one writer put it let's take a leaf out of Australia and tell this group of people integrate or leave and go back to a Country that has the same ( values) ?
Dear, dear me. Its not Muslims that are the problem in this country. Its attitudes like that that are racist and cause division within communities. How many Muslims do you actually know? I mean really know, not read about in the newspapers. Its racism not Muslims that that lead to fractured communities and mistrust/ fear of 'otherness'.
FreeSpirit77
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11:47pm Wed 30 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77
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11:54pm Wed 30 Jan 13
rhinestine wrote:Do you want foreign people to fall on your feet because you are Welsh ? When one migrates to Australia , Canada etc should you go there and fall on the feet of the aborigines or the native canadian indians ? Do people ever think about how Britian and the USA have been forcing democracy in muslim nations and stealing OIL in the process? Some of these muslims come over seeking asylum all because of USA drones and british bombs dropped on them by our politicians . Your hate and anger should be directed to politicians and certainly not minorities struggling to be accepted in this racist nation.
Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country.
This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.
Wildethoughts
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12:01am Thu 31 Jan 13
karlos376
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12:43am Thu 31 Jan 13
i also believe that signs should not be published everywhere . or people knocking doors on a sunday afternoon.
karlos376
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12:47am Thu 31 Jan 13
Wildethoughts wrote:hardly anyone in newport speaks english !!!!
The person who put this sign up may be a really bad neighbour, with disregard for how others around him are impacted by having to see this sign every day. He may be a religous fantatic. He may be lots of things. Doesn't mean all Muslims are. Thats the point, he does not represent all Muslims. He represents himself. Some Christians join the BNP and base their beliefs in Christianity. Some Jews are extremely homophobic. Some atheists are sexist and racist. Does not mean all are. Its called a stereotype. And it works to cause fear and prejudice, has demonstrated in many of the comments here. And as for "most people in Newport can't even read English" - point made I think. Need I say more!
let em swing
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8:25am Thu 31 Jan 13
gathin
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9:00am Thu 31 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77 wrote:What the government(s) have done has had nothing to do with the population. Quite a few personalities have made benefited loads over these political, country grabs. It hasn't benefited the common man one iota. If you think that we should be subjected to mass immigration and non-conformism (from these immigrants) then well done for you 'cos I don't agree with you.
gathin wrote: Disinformation is the word, my friend. The powers that be should teach people that little fact in school but without conditioning where would we be? I do agree with you BTW that the UK is being fragmented from within and the public were/ are being forced to accept it or be called racist. Nationalism would be a great thing in the UK unfortunately the stereotypical Brit is in the minority and we're only a generation (or maybe 2) away from an Islamic state.Gathin , how many muslim nations have we invaded and destroyed in the last ten years ? Now where do you think those people with destroyed properties in Libya , Iraq , Afghanistan etc where should they go ? We steal they OIL and destroy their nations , they come over here seeking asylum and they are treated like animals by shallow minded brain washed racists . That sign is in arabic and not a lot of people can even read that it. Why should people object to something they can't even read ?
rhinestine
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10:15am Thu 31 Jan 13
county mad wrote:lol!!!! I have turned you!! lol!! UP THE COUNTY! LOL!!
I must have banged my head far worse than I thought I actually agree with rhinestine!!!
happy new year by the way, but UK is at breaking point, we are over crowded, and it needs to stop
rhinestine
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10:18am Thu 31 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77 wrote:Well I assume you are from Newport, so does that mean you can't read either? Your blind that's for sure if you can't see what is happening to the country!
Most people in Newport can't even read english and yet they object to an arabic sign on private property. This is racism shown by the council , and they are promoting ignorance keeping the masses well fed on commecrial nonsense propaganda. Let the man put up a sign on his property , it's his property. People need Freedom in this fake democracy.
rhinestine
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10:23am Thu 31 Jan 13
FreeSpirit77 wrote:You must be a Muslim by the way your ranting on. We do accept minorities, that's why so many are here. But the minorities don't accept us, our way of life our culture.
rhinestine wrote:Do you want foreign people to fall on your feet because you are Welsh ? When one migrates to Australia , Canada etc should you go there and fall on the feet of the aborigines or the native canadian indians ? Do people ever think about how Britian and the USA have been forcing democracy in muslim nations and stealing OIL in the process? Some of these muslims come over seeking asylum all because of USA drones and british bombs dropped on them by our politicians . Your hate and anger should be directed to politicians and certainly not minorities struggling to be accepted in this racist nation.
Welshman - thank you, they don't want to bother with us, they just want to do as they would in their own country.
This sign is a glaring example of disregard for the folk around him and the domineering attitude that certain people who come to our great country have.
How dare you call Wales racist!
gathin
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12:15pm Thu 31 Jan 13
The real problem will start when they march through town all hooded up with "Behead those kaffirs" placards!
Shouldn't have to wait too long for that, I suppose.
username2
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12:22pm Thu 31 Jan 13
rhinestine
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12:58pm Thu 31 Jan 13
username2 wrote:Yes, that much is clear, not only on here but in the real world as to which we are commenting on!!!
FreeSpirit77 - Admirable effort, unfortunately rationality is not valued on these discussion boards.
Dee-Gee
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1:28pm Thu 31 Jan 13
rhinestine wrote:The only reason this sign is a problem, is the size and obtrusive nature of it.
But this is bothering people, namely British people. I live in Wales, not a Muslim country, if I were in a muslim country I would not expect to see a fb flag, welsh flag or a cross plastered over a house.
Do you see the point? Integration and respect is the key here.
It's. A. Planning. Issue.
Not a religious issue - it could say "Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii" and it would still be a problem for most people. The fact that it's a Muslim sign is really only relevant to people who buy into this fantasy of "Muslim invasion." People are hard-wired to imagine end-of-days scenarios - yours is no different from the hundreds that have come before.
I take your point about Muslim countries not being particularly tolerent, and this is a great shame. It doesn't mean that's something we should aspire to ourselves.
Maybe one day we *will* be able to go to countries all over the world, where there are flags of every nation and symbols of every religion on display, showing people living side by side peacefully. I hope that ours is one of the first.
Howie'
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1:36pm Thu 31 Jan 13
rhinestine wrote:Why is the sign provocative? It's not as though anyone would have known what it said if the Argus had not translated it. How is this 'Muslim up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture' when all he is doing is appealing against a planning decision, something which I and many others have done? Can you explain what law he is not obeying and what Culture he should integrate in to?
Howie' wrote:Your right, it would not have attracted so much attention, but what the sign says is provocative and the fact that, again, a Muslim is up in arms because they can't have their own way and obey our laws and integrate with our culture.
63 comments and counting, sorry I just fail to see what the problem is. It's a planning dispute and if this guy is in the right he will be allowed to keep his sign if not down it will come, just like any other planning issue. The only difference here is the guy is Muslim and that one word seems to bring out the best in people. If it had been a white Newportonian then this story would not have attracted a hand-full of comments.
If the story was not in relation to Muslim, then the Argus would not have bothered printing it...would they?
It would be nice for a change for people to have some respect for the folk who live here.
110 comments mostly predicting the end of life as we know it just because some guy is appealing against a planning decision, you couldn't make it up.
gathin
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1:41pm Thu 31 Jan 13
rhinestine
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2:27pm Thu 31 Jan 13
If you walk into a Muslim area in Oldham you are likely to welcomed with a great deal of hostility because you are not a Muslim.
But, they don't mind getting free hand-outs and health care from our system when the vast majority are claiming benefits and do not care about the country, they only care about what they can get.
As stated, if I were to have a house in Yemen and plastered "there is only one god and one book, the bible" I would be lynched! Not asked by the local council to take it down.
But I would not do it, because I know that their laws and culture are dear to them, and would not want to cause offence.
It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism.
Dee-Gee
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2:31pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Care to challenge the content of the post, or shall we just skip straight to whose dad can beat up whose?
let em swing
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2:43pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Dee-Gee
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2:49pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside.
Live and let live, eh?
let em swing
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3:06pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Dee-Gee wrote:Live and let live eh, try telling that to your muslim friends regarding homosexuality , lesbians or jews.
rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing.
Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside.
Live and let live, eh?
welshmen
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3:39pm Thu 31 Jan 13
welshmen
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3:39pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Dee-Gee
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3:55pm Thu 31 Jan 13
The Catholic church doesn't agree with homosexuality, or even contraception, but a fair number of Catholics use it anyway. You can't just look at the Koran, take it literally and then decide "Muslims are like this..." That's a child's view of the world.
let em swing
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4:35pm Thu 31 Jan 13
let em swing
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4:36pm Thu 31 Jan 13
welshmen
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5:16pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Dee-Gee wrote:Unfortunately there about 70 Million who do take the Koran as their way of life and numbers are still growing....Catholics MIX with us and always have, it's not always US who wont mix, my sons used to invite there Asian friends around to birthday parties, only boys came, and mine were never invited to there kids birthday's, that's the way they were....
letemswing, I actually DO have Muslim friends... some of them a lot more liberal than you. Were you aware that there are Muslim-run support groups for other LGBT Muslims? Not every Muslim is a literalist when it comes to their faith.
The Catholic church doesn't agree with homosexuality, or even contraception, but a fair number of Catholics use it anyway. You can't just look at the Koran, take it literally and then decide "Muslims are like this..." That's a child's view of the world.
Mr Bump.
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7:00pm Thu 31 Jan 13
welshmen
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8:34pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Mr Bump.
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11:09pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Wildethoughts
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11:44pm Thu 31 Jan 13
gathin
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6:09am Fri 1 Feb 13
Well at least that's all cleared up now.
Islam really hasn't helped these poor unfortunates though has it? Is that a religionist statement as it is definitely not racism. Are you apologists just going to carry on flapping your gums till your homeland evaporates as another load of benefit-sucking immigrants arrive on the next plane in at Heathrow?
The answer to that is a definite "yes."
rhinestine
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7:21am Fri 1 Feb 13
Dee-Gee wrote:Tell that to the victims of 9/11 and the London Bomings.......... They wont "live and let live" .........
rhinestine - this is not Oldham, this is not Yemen. This is Newport, a wonderful tolerant place to live, a few idiots not withstanding. And this is a ridiculous fuss over next to nothing.
Folk like you are just afraid of what's different. If it wasn't Muslims, you'd probably be wound up about What The Kids Are Wearing These Days, or the woman down the road who wears a skirt up to her backside.
Live and let live, eh?
gathin
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8:26am Fri 1 Feb 13
welshmen
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8:53am Fri 1 Feb 13
Howie'
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9:21am Fri 1 Feb 13
rhinestine wrote:Nice rant Rhinestine, little in the way of facts and certainly none of my questions to you answered. I like the way you dropped in at the end that ' It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism'.
Because they do not integrate, British people on the whole don't trust them, they hate the western ways according to their Koran. They do not come here to settle and be part of the community, they build their own community and hate anyone who is not a Muslim going anywhere near it.
If you walk into a Muslim area in Oldham you are likely to welcomed with a great deal of hostility because you are not a Muslim.
But, they don't mind getting free hand-outs and health care from our system when the vast majority are claiming benefits and do not care about the country, they only care about what they can get.
As stated, if I were to have a house in Yemen and plastered "there is only one god and one book, the bible" I would be lynched! Not asked by the local council to take it down.
But I would not do it, because I know that their laws and culture are dear to them, and would not want to cause offence.
It's about respect and not trying to take over and making out (in this case) that he is a victim of racism.
He's following our laws, what's disrespectful about that? I don't think he has rallied the 'Kensington Ninja' with the intention of taking over Maindee and where in the story does it say that he is claiming to be a victim of racism............al
though I could understand if he was, after reading some of the comments on here.
Here's a story for you Rhinestine, fresh from today's Guardian a story about future leaders of the Tory party:
Sajid Javid: The treasury minister is highly regarded on the right and would be the Tories' first Muslim leader and possible Prime Minister.
I'm sure that has put a smile on your face, Rhinestine.
rhinestine
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9:28am Fri 1 Feb 13
gathin wrote:Research what exactly? The fact that Muslims (not all Muslims it has to be said), do not like us, our ways, our culture, but come here and show no respect for our ways and try to take over with no remorse.
Please??? 9/11 and the London bombings?? You're on the internet? DO SOME RESEARCH!
This sign is a statment, and becasue of opposition from the council, he can't accept it and want's to make a big thing of it.
Human rights and all this lark, it's a joke.
I wonder how many Muslims will be watching the game tomorrow? It was mentioned in a previous post, most were born in the Gwent.
coalpicker
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9:43am Fri 1 Feb 13
are only for Christian Brits,others in our country can follow the ethos they brought with them when they were given
the privilege of living in the Uk. In the Muslim case, Honour killing, forced marriage,including infant females to old men.Female genital mutilation. Not forgetting the aberation of blowing themselves and others to bits. Pointing out these foibles will get Bump screaming Bigot ,perveyor of Islam aphobia,a glance around the world will indicate there is a hell of lot of both
,undoubtably, with justification
gathin
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9:58am Fri 1 Feb 13
rhinestine
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10:34am Fri 1 Feb 13
gathin wrote:Rubbish!
I'm not a fan of the mass immigration that is taking place and think it's going to end very badly for all of us indigenous locals but blaming the Muz for the very things that gave an excuse to take over their lands is lame. Go on youtube and type in "Loose change 9/11" for starters. There are so many anomalies and inconsistencies in the official story that I couldn't even start to list them. There is absolutely no way the Muz pulled off 9/11 or 7/7.
gathin
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11:36am Fri 1 Feb 13
Live in denial if you like but have a look at the other side of the arguement first otherwise you're being willfully ignorant.
Sort of like these religious types....
coalpicker
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12:48pm Fri 1 Feb 13
posts using Columbian sugar in their Tea .Denial is the order of the day,reminiscent of the thirties when Nazi lover the Duke of Windsor,
Lloyd George and many others declared how Churchill was a war
monger, clearly he could see what they were to stupid to understand,in the aftermath Churchill wanted a united Europe. I have no doubt he is spinning in his grave at the current
British situation,with the incursion of a creed which western Europe has fought for a thousand years .People
of Mr Bump's persasion could be designated Quisling without fear of contradiction..
username2
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12:50pm Fri 1 Feb 13
coalpicker
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1:08pm Fri 1 Feb 13
also, because your brain on its own can be washed and chanelled. We have some very prominent Judas goats who are doing just that, contary to all the evidence
rhinestine
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1:53pm Fri 1 Feb 13
Us (Brits) on the other hand just roll over and don't oppose anything! I wonder what the reaction of a Muslim country would be if millions of Brits went to there? Opened churches and marched through the their town once a year, and claimed benefits, got free medical care, stopped their kids singing traditional songs as it would cause us offence.......
Hmmmmm, I wonder........well I don't, because I know it would never happen and they would not let it happen! However, I bet if you went there and just blended in, not try and change their country and be self-sufficient, they would not mind you being there.
See my point? It's not about them being a Muslim, it's about fitting in and showing some respect.
And this man with his sign is not showing respect.
Mwy Eira
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8:06pm Fri 1 Feb 13
displayed
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11:55pm Sat 2 Feb 13
The man's a fool if he thinks he can justify to the public he's not "making a statement" about his faith, by sticking up an electronic billboard, cos he wants it illuminated as well!
Was he born here or over there!
Why doesn't go over to his home country and see if the authorities are as gullible as they appear to be here!
“There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.”
Wanna bet on it!
If he wants to serve "his god", that's up to him, just don't "shout it from his residential mosque", cos that's what he' s aiming for next!
Send him to the mountain, cos the mountain sure aint gonna come to him!
displayed
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12:38am Sun 3 Feb 13
7.4
It should be noted that this is a domestic property in a predominantly residential area.
The building is not a mosque where signage of this type might be expected.
Yet!
5.1
The advertisement is already in place but has not been illuminated as yet.
He didn't apply for planning permission to put it up, only after!
Now he's trying to justify the sign!
He can't!
5.3
The text reads:
• With the will/grace of God (used in appreciation/thankfu
lness)
• May God grant him peace (used to refer to the Prophet Mohammed)
• There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger (Declaration of
Islamic faith - word Allah literally means God in Arabic - so this refers to there
only being one God...)
My God (used as an endearment/expressio
n)
The Council does not consider that this text amounts to a memorial.
They already got a mosque in Maindee, they don't need another one!
This used to be the UK, now its the uk:
useless kingdom!
gathin
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8:15am Sun 3 Feb 13
Can't be discriminatory against minorities or some other gay excuse.
coalpicker
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8:55am Sun 3 Feb 13
our countryside could in a very short time resemble Soweto.Failure to control
planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia ,including disease we have eradicated. I dare not
name the Asian donor Countries or Ali Bump will have a racial seizure .
Howie'
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10:43am Sun 3 Feb 13
'Failure to control
planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia'. HaHa.
Think you will find it's the Tory's who are trying to do that!
Mr Bump.
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12:40pm Sun 3 Feb 13
coalpicker wrote:I don't know why you are bothered by Romanians, the vast majority are Christian. I would have thought you'd have welcomed a Christian influx to prevent your perceived Islamic takeover. We're not doomed the Romanians will save us.
Well Gathin if they do fail to impose planning law ,the result for Newport will be horrendous . With another flush expected from Bulgaria and Romania
our countryside could in a very short time resemble Soweto.Failure to control
planning integrity will ensure we enjoy the living conditions now being experienced in most of Asia ,including disease we have eradicated. I dare not
name the Asian donor Countries or Ali Bump will have a racial seizure .
gathin
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12:48pm Sun 3 Feb 13
Immigration from anybody moving to the UK without a guaranteed job and/or £150,000 in the bank should be stopped.
These are the realities of living in Australia- they don't take scroungers and you must be able to pay your way.
The Rumanians are very fed up with the gyppos and want rid of them. guaranteed we'll be getting a lot of them.
Religion is a small part in the mass problem but 100% non-integration from muzzies really hasn't helped endear them in any country in Europe where the head-sheds are stating that the mass immigration of 2nd/3rd worlders has helped nothing.
Ask Frau Merkel and any other politician brave enough to tell the truth.
davetheraver
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5:48pm Sun 3 Feb 13
the romanian gypsies are in my street now about a year ago never worked in time there about 10 live in 2 bed house
so must be getting benefits now and rent paid on house and two babies born into families in house.
you have to blame goverment they seem to roll over to easy on everything
abu qatada still here not deported yet you just put him on a plane but not here living in his house 1400 a month paid for by the taxpayer went to court on weekend to stop people protesting to say no human rights for terrorists
won case his lawyers fees paid by guess who us
Wildethoughts
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6:08pm Sun 3 Feb 13
gathin wrote:Thats the thing about people who are racist, they tend to be distinctly lacking in education. "Muz", "Rumanians" (where do they come from then, Rumania I suppose?) and the use of the word "gyppos". Why don't you at least learn to spell. Not that there is a correct spelling for the phrase "gyppo", the actual word is Gypsy, with a capital G. A group of people protected under the Race Relations Act (now the Equality Act 2012). I am very shocked that they South Wales Argus is even publishing such comments. And before you say it, no, there is no such thing as freedom of speech. It is a qualified right. If you don't know what that is, which I doubt you do gathin, then try reading. Go on, do everyone a favour and educated yourself. Not by reading the daily mail.
The Muz are the tip of the iceberg.
Immigration from anybody moving to the UK without a guaranteed job and/or £150,000 in the bank should be stopped.
These are the realities of living in Australia- they don't take scroungers and you must be able to pay your way.
The Rumanians are very fed up with the gyppos and want rid of them. guaranteed we'll be getting a lot of them.
Religion is a small part in the mass problem but 100% non-integration from muzzies really hasn't helped endear them in any country in Europe where the head-sheds are stating that the mass immigration of 2nd/3rd worlders has helped nothing.
Ask Frau Merkel and any other politician brave enough to tell the truth.
Wildethoughts
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6:09pm Sun 3 Feb 13
coalpicker
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7:25pm Sun 3 Feb 13
coalpicker
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10:02am Mon 4 Feb 13
of social engineering that rivals the corn laws in its construction and sheer stupidity.It resembles a man buying a house suffering from severe subsidence,filling the cracks with pollyfilla expecting to stop the walls falling down. The equality act is an ill concieved tool, bending the marjority
to the needs of the minority. Watching the big question on sunday I listened to a Black man screaming for more Black policemen,keeping in mind that there is already a black police association and that has spawned a few officers we could well do without, artificialy inflating their numbers in relation to population
percentage would be disasterous,soon, using the equality act, only Pakistani officers will police pakistani's ,Negro officers Negro's ect ,ect, the whole concept of the equalty act is lunatic
and will come back to bite us .
Wildethoughts
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4:45pm Mon 4 Feb 13
coalpicker wrote:Ah, so you are an expert on the Equality Act are you. Then why dont you impress us all with your knowledge of it? Explain what the public duties are? No, dont give your opinion, knowledge please. For example, do you understand how the Act protects the rights of disabled people? Or the elderly? Or those who are carers?
The Equality act, now there is a piece
of social engineering that rivals the corn laws in its construction and sheer stupidity.It resembles a man buying a house suffering from severe subsidence,filling the cracks with pollyfilla expecting to stop the walls falling down. The equality act is an ill concieved tool, bending the marjority
to the needs of the minority. Watching the big question on sunday I listened to a Black man screaming for more Black policemen,keeping in mind that there is already a black police association and that has spawned a few officers we could well do without, artificialy inflating their numbers in relation to population
percentage would be disasterous,soon, using the equality act, only Pakistani officers will police pakistani's ,Negro officers Negro's ect ,ect, the whole concept of the equalty act is lunatic
and will come back to bite us .
And as for your views ofThe Big Question (which I too watched), there were a number of guests who were black, all have different views of positive action v positive discrimination (you probably don't understand what these mean). There is a need for more officers from BME groups in order to adequately police diverse communities. The Equality Act does not allow for positive discrimination in this sense (again, due to the fact that you have no knowledge of the act you do not understand this), however, it does allow for positive action. And as for "only Pakistani officers will police Pakistanis, Negro (I think you mean Black) officers Negros (you then say ect ect, I think you mean ETC)" what utter rubbish. More officers from BME groups simply means that the Police more adequately reflect communities which are ethnically diverse. Quite possibly the most stupid post on this entire page! And that is some achievement as there are some very impressively ignorant and stupid comments on here. Well done!
KHALID786
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2:59pm Mon 18 Feb 13
coalpicker
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10:32pm Tue 19 Feb 13
you are either Black or confused.Thanks for the abuse,now I know I have pressed the right buttons.
Incidently ,with this appeal the city
council have made a real pigs ear of planning in Newport .End of chat xxx.
ninebalehigh says...
10:49am Mon 28 Jan 13