Teachers across Wales threaten strike action (From South Wales Argus)

Instead of these strikes on odd days is it possible that they can do a whole week in August instead. This would limit disruption

Never ever read such a pointless comment..the whole point of striking is to disrupt school during term time..And before parents moan about teachers striking they are not a child minding facility for people to work..The more people that strike in the UK the better to sent a strong message to the Condems who were never elected into Government.There should be an all out strike across all the Public Services to bring the UK to a halt and tell Cameron to get out of Number 10

Davi wrote:
Never ever read such a pointless comment..the whole point of striking is to disrupt school during term time..And before parents moan about teachers striking they are not a child minding facility for people to work..The more people that strike in the UK the better to sent a strong message to the Condems who were never elected into Government.There should be an all out strike across all the Public Services to bring the UK to a halt and tell Cameron to get out of Number 10

Another pointless comment, less than 25% of members voted for strike action, Tories had the largest share of vote and therefore entitled to be asked first to form a government, if Labour hadn't bankrupted the country they might still be in power, but they they did and they're not. Child minding has nothing to do with this, Teachers are paid to teach, people work hard to pay the taxes that pay their wages, without the benefit of sick pay, 14 weeks holiday a year, very good pension, and yet Wales has one of the worst education systems in Europe, with a Labour government. Bring on the strike action, it'll save the country millions in pay, the education system is the last bastion of the super union and like the miners and steel workers before them, they need to learn that the government is the legally elected leader of the country, not them, less than 10% of UK workers belong to a union.

Sometimes wrote:

Davi wrote:
Never ever read such a pointless comment..the whole point of striking is to disrupt school during term time..And before parents moan about teachers striking they are not a child minding facility for people to work..The more people that strike in the UK the better to sent a strong message to the Condems who were never elected into Government.There should be an all out strike across all the Public Services to bring the UK to a halt and tell Cameron to get out of Number 10

Another pointless comment, less than 25% of members voted for strike action, Tories had the largest share of vote and therefore entitled to be asked first to form a government, if Labour hadn't bankrupted the country they might still be in power, but they they did and they're not. Child minding has nothing to do with this, Teachers are paid to teach, people work hard to pay the taxes that pay their wages, without the benefit of sick pay, 14 weeks holiday a year, very good pension, and yet Wales has one of the worst education systems in Europe, with a Labour government. Bring on the strike action, it'll save the country millions in pay, the education system is the last bastion of the super union and like the miners and steel workers before them, they need to learn that the government is the legally elected leader of the country, not them, less than 10% of UK workers belong to a union.

Spot on. Great post.

Sometimes wrote:

Davi wrote: Never ever read such a pointless comment..the whole point of striking is to disrupt school during term time..And before parents moan about teachers striking they are not a child minding facility for people to work..The more people that strike in the UK the better to sent a strong message to the Condems who were never elected into Government.There should be an all out strike across all the Public Services to bring the UK to a halt and tell Cameron to get out of Number 10

Another pointless comment, less than 25% of members voted for strike action, Tories had the largest share of vote and therefore entitled to be asked first to form a government, if Labour hadn't bankrupted the country they might still be in power, but they they did and they're not. Child minding has nothing to do with this, Teachers are paid to teach, people work hard to pay the taxes that pay their wages, without the benefit of sick pay, 14 weeks holiday a year, very good pension, and yet Wales has one of the worst education systems in Europe, with a Labour government. Bring on the strike action, it'll save the country millions in pay, the education system is the last bastion of the super union and like the miners and steel workers before them, they need to learn that the government is the legally elected leader of the country, not them, less than 10% of UK workers belong to a union.

3 pointless comments in a row, how do a i claim my prize?

Strikes don't save the country money. The cost of wages saved will be vastly out weighed by those having to miss a day of work to look after their kids. The drop in national productivity will be massive.

I still support the teachers' right to strike though.

Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects.

Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone .

In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother.

From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote:
Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

couldnt agree more

weve been the victims of divisive rhetoric.

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote:
Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects.

Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone .

In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother.

From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote: Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

when the public sector workers youre taking money from are those responsible for education the next generation (nevermind YOUR son/daughter), surely there's a case for competitive wages.

poorer pay = poorer performance = poorer education = poorer Britain.

you don't have to be a maths teacher to get your head around it!

whatintheworld wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote: Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

when the public sector workers youre taking money from are those responsible for education the next generation (nevermind YOUR son/daughter), surely there's a case for competitive wages.

poorer pay = poorer performance = poorer education = poorer Britain.

you don't have to be a maths teacher to get your head around it!

Did paying bankers more get us better bankers?

Llanmartinangel wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote: Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

when the public sector workers youre taking money from are those responsible for education the next generation (nevermind YOUR son/daughter), surely there's a case for competitive wages. poorer pay = poorer performance = poorer education = poorer Britain. you don't have to be a maths teacher to get your head around it!

Did paying bankers more get us better bankers?

Nope, but the excuse that if you cut the bankers wages the best will go elsewhere can be argued to be the same with teachers.

Why do we protect bankers wages/bonuses to stop them leaving, but palm teachers off as merely public sector workers?

whatintheworld wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote: Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

when the public sector workers youre taking money from are those responsible for education the next generation (nevermind YOUR son/daughter), surely there's a case for competitive wages. poorer pay = poorer performance = poorer education = poorer Britain. you don't have to be a maths teacher to get your head around it!

Did paying bankers more get us better bankers?

Nope, but the excuse that if you cut the bankers wages the best will go elsewhere can be argued to be the same with teachers.

Why do we protect bankers wages/bonuses to stop them leaving, but palm teachers off as merely public sector workers?

Wasn't really quite what I was saying. Nurses pay increased by a large amount in the 90s and noughties (my partner was one) yet a hospital in Staffs stuffed full of them let patients die in hundreds. They are public sector workers too. As someone who has recruited thousands I can tell you that what you pay for isn't always what you get. And yes, Fred the Shred of RBS fame was an extreme example but they are everywhere.

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote: Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

I'm sorry you had trouble with regional car tax staff, still if you took the time to complete the form properly, you wouldnt have been sent to the back of the line. But you had you revenge when they were sacked, I hope you felt satisfied.

Public sector workers can t be our number one priority, I agree. But that does not excuse knuckle draggers, and the right wing press with its misinformation, half truths and distorions continuallly kicking these people in the nuts while they are trying to defend conditions they signed up for.

There comes a time, and I think its near when they will say enough is enough and screw you , if thats what you think why the hell should we bother.

Llanmartinangel wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

whatintheworld wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Kevin Neville Oswald Brian (KNOB) Evans wrote: Somewhat predicable right wing claptrap from the usual suspects. Im a public sector worker - and before you all moan its my meal break and on my mobile phone . In the past I've gone the extra mile, put myself out, cut corners, pulled a few strings etc to help members of the public. When I read such ignorant ill informed moronic posts I wonder why I bother. From now on I will only do what has to be done. You treat us like dirt and still expect us to give our best, well I've got news for you dont expext me to put myself out to help anyone in future, in fact you can all quite frankly go to hell.

D'you know what? Staff in the regional car tax offices used to treat 'customers' like cr*p. God help you if you didn't have every box filled in on your forms. Back of the queue. That was until they were earmarked for closure. Then it was 'how can I help?' Oh and 'can you sign our petition'?. With every household in the UK owing £40k on behalf of the government, paying public sector workers more can't be our no.1 priority can it?

when the public sector workers youre taking money from are those responsible for education the next generation (nevermind YOUR son/daughter), surely there's a case for competitive wages. poorer pay = poorer performance = poorer education = poorer Britain. you don't have to be a maths teacher to get your head around it!

Did paying bankers more get us better bankers?

Nope, but the excuse that if you cut the bankers wages the best will go elsewhere can be argued to be the same with teachers. Why do we protect bankers wages/bonuses to stop them leaving, but palm teachers off as merely public sector workers?

Wasn't really quite what I was saying. Nurses pay increased by a large amount in the 90s and noughties (my partner was one) yet a hospital in Staffs stuffed full of them let patients die in hundreds. They are public sector workers too. As someone who has recruited thousands I can tell you that what you pay for isn't always what you get. And yes, Fred the Shred of RBS fame was an extreme example but they are everywhere.

fair point.

id agree paying people more doesn't guarantee better results, but paying people less guarentees poorer performance.

my arguement is that teachers (those with responsibility for helping to shape the next generation) are too important to gamble with. dramatic negative changes to their wages is too risky.

- just want to point out im not a teacher haha