Ambulance response times are 'useless way' to measure success, says union (From South Wales Argus)
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Ambulance response times are 'useless way' to measure success, says union
3:30pm Friday 22nd March 2013 in Gwent news
Ambulance response times are 'useless way' to measure success, says union
WALES’ eight-minute response time target for emergency ambulance calls has “absolutely no clinical basis”
and should be removed or its importance downgraded, according to a health union.
UNISON Cymru/Wales, which represents thousands of ambulance service personnel, is urging the team behind an ongoing Welsh Government reviewto recommend that targets become more patient-centred and based on outcomes for those patients.
The review is being led by Professor Siobhan McClelland, professor of health policy and economics at University of Glamorgan.
The union argues that the eight-minute target – for arriving at the scene of category A emergency calls, and known in the service as A8 – does not measure patient care and is “arguably a barrier to better patient care.”
It continues: “It is obviously very important that patients are not left waiting any longer than necessary for an ambulance.
“But... there is just no global evidence for, or correlation between, eight-minute response times leading to better patient care.
“Indeed, the ludicrous situation is actually created whereby a seven minutes 59 seconds response time that concludes with a patient dying would be marked an A8 ‘success’; while an 8:01 response time with the patient surviving would be an A8 ‘failure’.”
Emergency response times remain the key standard against which the ambulance service in Wales is judged, and a gradual deterioration in performance was the reason why former health minister Lesley Griffiths ordered the service reviewlate last year.
Performance across much of Gwent has fallen in the past year, in line with the Wales trend.
In January, 56.7 per cent of category A calls in Monmouthshire made A8, 11.7 per cent down on January 2012. In the four other council areas of Gwent, performance was down between 2.1 per cent and 10.7 per cent.
Professor McClelland’s review report is due later this spring.
Ideas for improvements
UNISON is also calling for action to solve problems that continue to exist around the hand-over of patients to accident and emergency departments, which can lead to ambulances being parked up instead of back on the road.
The union also wants to see improved training and career development programmes, more skills for paramedics, and a beefing-up of alternatives to calling 999, such as NHS Direct and the First Responder system.
“We need to ensure that people have confidence in all the other avenues for access to healthcare, such as NHS Direct Wales and GP services,” said Darron Dupre, head of the UNISON Cymru/Wales Ambulance Sector.
“These services need to be always accessible and available, so that 999 and A&E is not the default location for adults and children who are not seriously ill or injured,”
“We are also calling for some paramedics to be up-skilled so that they can diagnose and treat patients at the scene, which can again reduce admittance to hospital, as well as producing more development opportunities for ambulance staff.
“There is a lot of scope to build the Welsh Ambulance Service into a world-class service, and UNISON wants to be a part of that development.”
Comments(9)
Bobevans
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6:50pm Fri 22 Mar 13
The time taken to get to a patient is critical and can be the difference between life or death. TO to claim time is not important does them no credit at all. The times are already lax and are twice the target times in England yet still they do not meet them. So their view is they are not meeting them so don't bother to measure them
Aquarius
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12:17pm Sat 23 Mar 13
Pretty much every post you've ever made about the Ambulance Service shows complete and utter ignorance on the subject.
So why not do everyone a favour, and dry up?
Templar05
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12:36pm Sat 23 Mar 13
Keep up the great work everyone ! Thanks for making me feel welcome and part of a wonderful team .Greatest life experience yet !
Templar05
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12:38pm Sat 23 Mar 13
signal box
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1:48pm Sat 23 Mar 13
Another reason why the Ambulance Service does not perform is that Senior Managers are no longer required to be Qualified Ambulance Staff but a University Degree &/or Membership of another Organisation that meet in Lodges are all thats required.
insider2
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10:47pm Sun 24 Mar 13
The 8 minute response time is absolutely meaningless to the patient outcome which often reflects the true nature of the call.
It is absolutely ludicrous that a patient can die within the 8 minute response time which is then recorded as a success and yet a patient brought back from death by a paramedic but outside of the 8 minutes is recorded as a failure!
There has to be an element of time in responses, but 8 minutes is meaningless, it should be a realistic time to begin with, if a patient lives 20 minutes from the nearest resource, how on earth can they realistically expect a response within 8?
The more realistic time should then be coupled with patient outcome for measuring purposes and if a patient arrives in hospital in a better condition than when they made the 999 call, then that should negate the length of time it took for the ambulance resource to arrive.
8 minutes was a yardstick designed to re-elect politicians, and it has badly backfired on them due to them not funding the health service properly.
Finely, if anyone thinks the situation is better in England, then it is not, with English ambulance trusts also failing miserably to adhere to the ridiculous 8 minute standards.
Don’t believe the propaganda!
signal box
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8:15am Mon 25 Mar 13
insider2
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4:52pm Tue 26 Mar 13
Couple that with the loss of hospital beds and the lack of investment in social care and it is a recipe for the increase in the abuse of the 999 system by the public, not to mention the fact that it is now too easy to pick up the mobile phone and expect everything to be done by someone else.
The Ambiance service has always been the safety net for all manner of organisations, from GP out of hours, through to community mental health services, social problems like people falling at home when they really shouldn't be there, right tough to the Police, if they cannot handle it, then tell them to ring 999 for an ambulance.
This is even more so these days!
Bobevans says...
6:50pm Fri 22 Mar 13
The time taken to get to a patient is critical and can be the difference between life or death. TO to claim time is not important does them no credit at all. The times are already lax and are twice the target times in England yet still they do not meet them. So their view is they are not meeting them so don't bother to measure them