My vision for Newport city centre - taskforce chief Simon Gibson

Simon Gibson

Simon Gibson

First published in Gwent news South Wales Argus: Photograph of the Author Exclusive by , Reporter

THE chairman of the new taskforce looking into solutions for Newport city centre says he personally wouldn't bet a city on a shopping centre that might never happen.

Simon Gibson, who is heading up the Welsh Government's new business development project, said trying to compete with Cardiff and Bristol was folly and that the city needed a "serious business district".

But there are no politicians on his group because they "have had their go".

He told the Argus Newport needs a major regeneration project on the scale of Cardiff Bay or MediaCityUK in Salford Quays, Greater Manchester, and that the city has the potential to be one of the "hottest" cities in the region already being the technology capital of Wales.

But if people are to fix it "we need to think about the Kingdom and not the tribe".

The chief executive of Sir Terry Matthew's investment firm Wesley Clover said the city has suffered from a lack of consensus in selling itself, and that the experience of hosting the Ryder Cup in Newport had been "painful".

In a long interview with Mr Gibson, the Argus asked what he thought the planned Friar's Walk regeneration project, which it is hoped will kick start Newport city centre's retail regeneration.

He said that in his personal opinion he "wouldn't bet the city on a shopping centre that might never happen and filling it full of retailers who themselves have a questionable future".

"If you own a shopping centre then you should be fearful because a lot of your tenants won't be there in five years' time," he said.

"Why would we bet the future of the city on such fragile places? There's far better things we can do in the city than just building a few new shops."

Mr Gibson is heading up the seven-man strong steering group behind the business development project, which is tasked to look at why firms are struggling in the city centre.

The rest of the appointments were discussed between himself and business minister Edwina Hart, he said. Some were suggested by the minister while others were picked by him.

Asked why there were no politicians on there, he said: "The politicians have had their go.

"That's not to say they are not vital, they represent the democratic voice of the people, but all we're going to end up with is hopefully making suggestions that the politicians can put forward."

Mr Gibson has been involved in business in the city and the region over a 30 year period, and has built companies here such as Newbridge Networks and Ubiquity.

He has also served two terms on the board of the former Welsh Development Agency (WDA), where he was involved in the Cardiff Bay and the Works in Ebbw Vale regeneration projects.

"That was an interesting experience to see how these big projects get delivered. Newport is not a project to tinker around with a few buildings," he said.

"The work that is going to have to go on in Newport is going to have to be on par with those."

He said Newport city centre needs to differentiate itself from "very very good shopping resources in Bristol and Cardiff" and that trying to compete with them was "folly".

But he pointed to the designer outlet shopping centre in Swindon as something the city could try.

He added that the city needed a "serious business district." He added the move by insurance giant Admiral, which employs 400 in Newport, into the city centre is a good one.

"Admiral is a good start. If we start building a technology cluster in the city centre itself, particularly in hi-tech and creative industries... we start to play to our strengths," he said.

The chairman of the steering group added that people needed to be encouraged to live in the city centre as well, so it stops being a no-go zone in the evenings.

"What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have? They had a big vision," he argued.

As a prerequisite for getting its work done, the taskforce would likely want a "big vision that creates consensus", statutory powers for whoever makes it happen and sufficient capital to attract private investment.

He said he had the impression that "with the right vision the cash is there" from the Welsh Government.

"If we propose a shopping centre or tinkering around with construction along the waterfront there won't be cash available because the vision is not enough to make the change," he said.

One of the tasks of the project, he said, is to identify what opportunities there are for the city, and play to those strengths.

Newport, Mr Gibson said, has suffered in the past from "a lack of cohesion in the public message – what is the product, what are we doing here."

He said cities such as Cardiff and Bristol have created such a consensus, which could also be seen playing out in Swansea with the city's new university campus.

He said: "They have a very ambitious programme... but everyone's has been on message. MEPs, MPs, AMs, city councillors, the business community, the academic community, they all speak as one."

Mr Gibson says the city has been insular and "tribal" in the past.

"If we are going to fix the city, we need think about the Kingdom and not the tribe," he said.

"Whenever there has been an opportunity to do something significant it has turned into a tribal issue."

He said there had been political tribalism as well as "public sector vs private sector".

"It just seems that good works and virtuous projects fragment quickly because there is always someone lined up throwing rocks at it," he said.

Mr Gibson said that was seen in the experience in hosting the Ryder Cup in 2010 at the Celtic Manor Resort – in particular he said organisers faced an attitude that Sir Terry "must be making tonnes of money out of it".

"It was fairly painful putting that on," he said. "I can't say it was a pleasure. It was quite difficult and quite fraught.

"There were huge swathes of people looking in complaining about it. "

He said there was an issue with people being pessimistic about the city.

He said: "We need to realise we are sitting on a gem here if we can just make some brave decisions that transform the city."

The steering group, he said, is to perform its task for free.

He said: "I've asked for volunteers. I haven't recruited employees. Bottom line: No one is going to get any money for doing this."

Putting criticisms to him that no one in the group is a regeneration expert, he pointed to his work at the WDA and his day job where he has built three and a half million square feet of real estate.

Others have asked why a few of the board's seven members can be linked to Sir Terry.

Mr Gibson is chief executive of Wesley Clover, owned by the billionaire, while Ian Edwards is chief operating officer of Sir Terry's Celtic Manor Resort. Another, Ben Milsom, was a graduate of the Alacrity scheme, which has received backing from the businessman.

However Mr Gibson said he is his own man and not Sir Terry's. He said Alacrity is not Sir Terry's scheme but is a charity supported by the public sector and a number of private concerns.

"I think Ben's met Terry once," he said. "The only other person is Ian. This year the Celtic Manor was reported the best hotel in Britain.

"My response is we should be so damn lucky to attract someone with Ian's expertise to volunteer to do this thing."

 

 

 

NEWPORT has the potential to be one of the hottest cities in the region, according to Simon Gibson who commended its transport links, beautiful surroundings and hi-tech firms.

He said Newport has been left behind and is sandwiched between two power house cities – Cardiff and Bristol. "It has somehow deteriorated over a 30-year, 40-year period. It's a poor cousin of the cities in the region.

"We need to fix that. It should be the hottest, in my opinion, because of its location."

The chief executive said that the location of Newport is unique, being the first stop into Wales from London.

"I don't know a city in Wales where you can get from the major motorway to the city centre within two minutes," he said.

He said Newport also has a "easy catchment area" to hire people from – businesses that set up here can hire from the West Country all the way to Bridgend, and up into Monmouthshire.

"Newport also enjoys one of the most beautiful hinterlands of any city in Britain, in Monmouthshire, and we don't play that up enough," he said.

"We are the undisputed technology capital of Wales. We don't play that up anywhere near enough. The city has key strengths in its capabilities in technology, particularly in things like homeland and cyber-security.

"We way outgun Cardiff in technology and we way outgun Swansea."

He added that the city had "really powerful public sector employers" including the statistics and patent offices.

 

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7:30am Mon 13 May 13

scraptheWAG says...

Well we can read into that the Friars Walk scheme is now off the cards (which many of us knew already ) you cannot have a shopping centre with one shop and a cinema.

They should pay these people on results not flat rate. Newport unlimited took millions and done absolutely nothing!
Well we can read into that the Friars Walk scheme is now off the cards (which many of us knew already ) you cannot have a shopping centre with one shop and a cinema. They should pay these people on results not flat rate. Newport unlimited took millions and done absolutely nothing! scraptheWAG
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8:08am Mon 13 May 13

Owain Vaughan says...

You are one of the pessimists Mr Gibson warned us about. Nobody said anything was "off the cards", just that we need a diverse base of businesses in the city centre.
You are one of the pessimists Mr Gibson warned us about. Nobody said anything was "off the cards", just that we need a diverse base of businesses in the city centre. Owain Vaughan
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8:19am Mon 13 May 13

Manley says...

At last someone with some sense.

Newport has been blighted by the prospect of a new shopping centre which might never happen. The existing shopping area needs to be improved and the old car parks and bus station need to be demolished ASAP.

There was the possibility of developing the city centre as a university campus, but I fear that opportunity has been lost with the loss of the Newport name.
At last someone with some sense. Newport has been blighted by the prospect of a new shopping centre which might never happen. The existing shopping area needs to be improved and the old car parks and bus station need to be demolished ASAP. There was the possibility of developing the city centre as a university campus, but I fear that opportunity has been lost with the loss of the Newport name. Manley
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8:54am Mon 13 May 13

ianzemma says...

can we actually start doing something rather than just sitting in rooms talking!! action speaks louder than words after all!!
can we actually start doing something rather than just sitting in rooms talking!! action speaks louder than words after all!! ianzemma
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8:57am Mon 13 May 13

Bobevans says...

Some of what he says is sensible and some is not. To try to compete with Cardiff or Bristol is folly as is try to anchor a shopping centre around a large department store

Moving business into the centre does make sense but Hi Tech Companies does not. City centre locations are not what they need. They need space and need easy access for lorries etc which Newport City Centre cannot provide
Some of what he says is sensible and some is not. To try to compete with Cardiff or Bristol is folly as is try to anchor a shopping centre around a large department store Moving business into the centre does make sense but Hi Tech Companies does not. City centre locations are not what they need. They need space and need easy access for lorries etc which Newport City Centre cannot provide Bobevans
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9:04am Mon 13 May 13

heresphil says...

A very perceptive analysis of the state of the city and I'm glad Mr Gibson is honest enough to admit that the city centre needs a complete reinvention of purpose - not just the cosmetic tinkering that has been the norm over the last few years.

I would love to see the centre develop as a hub of technology or other skilled industry but as all of the business incentives and infrastructure funding to make this happen are increasingly being sucked up by the city next door, te taskforce is going to have to seriously fight the Assembly and the other capitalcentric interests at the bay for a fair slice of the pie for Newport.
A very perceptive analysis of the state of the city and I'm glad Mr Gibson is honest enough to admit that the city centre needs a complete reinvention of purpose - not just the cosmetic tinkering that has been the norm over the last few years. I would love to see the centre develop as a hub of technology or other skilled industry but as all of the business incentives and infrastructure funding to make this happen are increasingly being sucked up by the city next door, te taskforce is going to have to seriously fight the Assembly and the other capitalcentric interests at the bay for a fair slice of the pie for Newport. heresphil
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9:19am Mon 13 May 13

KarmaSuitsYa says...

Well, he certainly 'talks the talk' - whether he can also 'walk the walk' remains to be seen. As someone already commented, actions speak louder than words.

I have to wonder where he's going to get the £100's of millions for this ambitious project, and what it's going to cost us in the long run. Also have to wonder how daft he thinks we are, that we believe he's doing it for nothing - ok, they may not be drawing a salary but I guarantee they aren't doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.
Well, he certainly 'talks the talk' - whether he can also 'walk the walk' remains to be seen. As someone already commented, actions speak louder than words. I have to wonder where he's going to get the £100's of millions for this ambitious project, and what it's going to cost us in the long run. Also have to wonder how daft he thinks we are, that we believe he's doing it for nothing - ok, they may not be drawing a salary but I guarantee they aren't doing it out of the kindness of their hearts. KarmaSuitsYa
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9:50am Mon 13 May 13

Mervyn James says...

So, is he for or against any regeneration lol.... still, nice earner for him,stating the obvious.
So, is he for or against any regeneration lol.... still, nice earner for him,stating the obvious. Mervyn James
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9:58am Mon 13 May 13

swrxp09 says...

A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.
A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has. swrxp09
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10:06am Mon 13 May 13

swnpayne says...

ryder cup going to change newport sir terry opens charity shop 99p shop open loan shops open and now superman arrives newport is on the up what salary ebay selling magic wands can change you into a newport councillor no brain needed
ryder cup going to change newport sir terry opens charity shop 99p shop open loan shops open and now superman arrives newport is on the up what salary ebay selling magic wands can change you into a newport councillor no brain needed swnpayne
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10:38am Mon 13 May 13

Oriel Bufton says...

A lot of 'sound Bites' but what is he actually proposing? He didn't say. High tec business for the town centre? Daft. Access is bad, parking is bad, lorries etc. rumbling into town? Stupid. The town was a darn site better before they started mucking about with it. They need to deal with access, parking, cleanliness, the bus centre, and the hopeless situation at the Railway Station-they've turned that into a nightmare, especially for visitors; when we get any that is. Oh and how about a sensible traffic system, with good signage? Read what Clarissa Dickson Wright thought about Newport in her book, Spilling the beans. She couldn't even find St. Woolas Cathedral! Drove around for over an hour, then had to ask at the pub in Clarence place, the kindly Irishman, then took her there, only to find the meeting had been transferred to the Newport Campus at Spytty Park, so he took her there too, as he said she'd never find it. And he was right! The know-it-all's, on the council, have made an absolute pig's breakfast of Newport, and it's going to take someone with common sense and vision as well as the money to sort it out.
A lot of 'sound Bites' but what is he actually proposing? He didn't say. High tec business for the town centre? Daft. Access is bad, parking is bad, lorries etc. rumbling into town? Stupid. The town was a darn site better before they started mucking about with it. They need to deal with access, parking, cleanliness, the bus centre, and the hopeless situation at the Railway Station-they've turned that into a nightmare, especially for visitors; when we get any that is. Oh and how about a sensible traffic system, with good signage? Read what Clarissa Dickson Wright thought about Newport in her book, Spilling the beans. She couldn't even find St. Woolas Cathedral! Drove around for over an hour, then had to ask at the pub in Clarence place, the kindly Irishman, then took her there, only to find the meeting had been transferred to the Newport Campus at Spytty Park, so he took her there too, as he said she'd never find it. And he was right! The know-it-all's, on the council, have made an absolute pig's breakfast of Newport, and it's going to take someone with common sense and vision as well as the money to sort it out. Oriel Bufton
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10:44am Mon 13 May 13

welshmen says...

Better to try and fail and never try at all, in stead of doing the usual moaning and making uncomplimentary comments which we all tend to do from time to time including me.

Take time to put your ideas on this site, what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, we have plenty of room in the City center a River and we are near to the Countryside, what could be done to make these profit Newport....
Better to try and fail and never try at all, in stead of doing the usual moaning and making uncomplimentary comments which we all tend to do from time to time including me. Take time to put your ideas on this site, what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, we have plenty of room in the City center a River and we are near to the Countryside, what could be done to make these profit Newport.... welshmen
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11:08am Mon 13 May 13

NewportBackinBusiness says...

I admire Simon for "saying it as it is". The people of Newport need an honest leader we can accept the truth from and someone we can stand behind so together we can begin to tackle the issues that is preventing Newport becoming the jewel that it can be. I welcome Simon and his team and thank him for his support. I believe the starting point is for the people of Newport to take ownership and responsibility for their own destiny. As has been said "Actions speak louder than words" - Ask yourselves "what have I done for Newport this week?"
I admire Simon for "saying it as it is". The people of Newport need an honest leader we can accept the truth from and someone we can stand behind so together we can begin to tackle the issues that is preventing Newport becoming the jewel that it can be. I welcome Simon and his team and thank him for his support. I believe the starting point is for the people of Newport to take ownership and responsibility for their own destiny. As has been said "Actions speak louder than words" - Ask yourselves "what have I done for Newport this week?" NewportBackinBusiness
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11:31am Mon 13 May 13

KarmaSuitsYa says...

what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK,

Simple - we need jobs...good jobs... lasting jobs. A lot will follow on from that in time. Plus we need to stop worrying about the traders in the city centre so much - I hear them complaining and saying 'something must be done' but frankly I don't know anyone who has difficultyu in getting what they need, (provided they can afford it of course). Town centre shopping has had its day here I think, and the only projects that will get consensus amongst the majority of people is to drastically alter the centre to something else.
[quote]what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, [/quote] Simple - we need jobs...good jobs... lasting jobs. A lot will follow on from that in time. Plus we need to stop worrying about the traders in the city centre so much - I hear them complaining and saying 'something must be done' but frankly I don't know anyone who has difficultyu in getting what they need, (provided they can afford it of course). Town centre shopping has had its day here I think, and the only projects that will get consensus amongst the majority of people is to drastically alter the centre to something else. KarmaSuitsYa
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11:40am Mon 13 May 13

Bobevans says...

welshmen wrote:
Better to try and fail and never try at all, in stead of doing the usual moaning and making uncomplimentary comments which we all tend to do from time to time including me.

Take time to put your ideas on this site, what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, we have plenty of room in the City center a River and we are near to the Countryside, what could be done to make these profit Newport....
That is the very problem Newport City Centre has. It does not have much space. He quotes Cardiff Bay, London's Docklands and Salford Quay. They all had vast amounts of empty space to develop by comparison the City Centre is postage stamp sized. Two of the things he quotes Hi-Tec & Designer Retail Parks are Not City centre type business so they are a non-starter.

Newport is quite a small compact centre o it needs to have suitable sized development so a small but better quality shops with a move away from the Pound Shops Charity Shops and Cash for Gold type shops. Increase they amount of small to medium sized non retail business in the Centre and deviser facilities again these need to move more upmarket. It does not need cheap pubs and takeaways

Newport is too small to be a big player in retail it needs to be more of a niche market player
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Better to try and fail and never try at all, in stead of doing the usual moaning and making uncomplimentary comments which we all tend to do from time to time including me. Take time to put your ideas on this site, what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, we have plenty of room in the City center a River and we are near to the Countryside, what could be done to make these profit Newport....[/p][/quote]That is the very problem Newport City Centre has. It does not have much space. He quotes Cardiff Bay, London's Docklands and Salford Quay. They all had vast amounts of empty space to develop by comparison the City Centre is postage stamp sized. Two of the things he quotes Hi-Tec & Designer Retail Parks are Not City centre type business so they are a non-starter. Newport is quite a small compact centre o it needs to have suitable sized development so a small but better quality shops with a move away from the Pound Shops Charity Shops and Cash for Gold type shops. Increase they amount of small to medium sized non retail business in the Centre and deviser facilities again these need to move more upmarket. It does not need cheap pubs and takeaways Newport is too small to be a big player in retail it needs to be more of a niche market player Bobevans
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11:47am Mon 13 May 13

Stan Edwards says...

I had my doubts about a Task Force but agree with SG when he says the politicians have had their go. Friars Walk was a dead duck when an inadequate assessment was carried out in the first place. It should have been obvious that Modus was struggling when it had to plunder Commercial Street to fill it. Large surface car-park at the bus station/ Lower Dock Street please. Forget bringing in retail to compete - help that which is there and then see where to go. Restructure, reorientate what we've got.
I had my doubts about a Task Force but agree with SG when he says the politicians have had their go. Friars Walk was a dead duck when an inadequate assessment was carried out in the first place. It should have been obvious that Modus was struggling when it had to plunder Commercial Street to fill it. Large surface car-park at the bus station/ Lower Dock Street please. Forget bringing in retail to compete - help that which is there and then see where to go. Restructure, reorientate what we've got. Stan Edwards
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12:08pm Mon 13 May 13

mamma1 says...

i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....
i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front.... mamma1
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1:12pm Mon 13 May 13

NakedDancer says...

Sound common sense from SG. Newport needs some big city centre employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, cafes, restaurants and yes shops. Many high tech businesses are office based and don't manufacture, or their manufacturing is done elsewhere. Newport will never be as big as Cardiff/Liverpool etc...but get over it - they all had their problems. There's plenty of empty office space in Newport centre, plenty of scope for redevelopment and sufficient population and wealth in the local area to support a small city centre.

I'd like to see Sir Terry leading by example and locating one of his businesses in the centre with substantial numbers of jobs. He could be a leading champion of city centre regeneration in the UK.
Sound common sense from SG. Newport needs some big city centre employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, cafes, restaurants and yes shops. Many high tech businesses are office based and don't manufacture, or their manufacturing is done elsewhere. Newport will never be as big as Cardiff/Liverpool etc...but get over it - they all had their problems. There's plenty of empty office space in Newport centre, plenty of scope for redevelopment and sufficient population and wealth in the local area to support a small city centre. I'd like to see Sir Terry leading by example and locating one of his businesses in the centre with substantial numbers of jobs. He could be a leading champion of city centre regeneration in the UK. NakedDancer
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1:25pm Mon 13 May 13

welshmen says...

mamma1 wrote:
i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....
I do as well, it's been long over due, plenty of jobs, sustainable power and loads and loads of leisure boats and people....
[quote][p][bold]mamma1[/bold] wrote: i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....[/p][/quote]I do as well, it's been long over due, plenty of jobs, sustainable power and loads and loads of leisure boats and people.... welshmen
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1:56pm Mon 13 May 13

HurricaneShane says...

so essentially what the liklihood is that newport center will become 80% business and 20% commercial enterprise. Friars Walk is dead in the water.
so essentially what the liklihood is that newport center will become 80% business and 20% commercial enterprise. Friars Walk is dead in the water. HurricaneShane
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2:14pm Mon 13 May 13

UpsetResident says...

I whole-heartedly agree with this mans appointment, i was skeptical, but he clearly has the measure of this council, and isn't afraid to call them on their despicable treatment of Newport over their near complete reign over the past few decades.

The troubling part is, he's not going to have any power, so they'll probably just take his recommendations and file them under "too much effort"
I whole-heartedly agree with this mans appointment, i was skeptical, but he clearly has the measure of this council, and isn't afraid to call them on their despicable treatment of Newport over their near complete reign over the past few decades. The troubling part is, he's not going to have any power, so they'll probably just take his recommendations and file them under "too much effort" UpsetResident
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3:04pm Mon 13 May 13

Bobevans says...

NakedDancer wrote:
Sound common sense from SG. Newport needs some big city centre employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, cafes, restaurants and yes shops. Many high tech businesses are office based and don't manufacture, or their manufacturing is done elsewhere. Newport will never be as big as Cardiff/Liverpool etc...but get over it - they all had their problems. There's plenty of empty office space in Newport centre, plenty of scope for redevelopment and sufficient population and wealth in the local area to support a small city centre.

I'd like to see Sir Terry leading by example and locating one of his businesses in the centre with substantial numbers of jobs. He could be a leading champion of city centre regeneration in the UK.
Most Hi Tech companies are not offices based. They need development labs prototyping facilities and warehouse space. You will not find then in town centres
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: Sound common sense from SG. Newport needs some big city centre employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, cafes, restaurants and yes shops. Many high tech businesses are office based and don't manufacture, or their manufacturing is done elsewhere. Newport will never be as big as Cardiff/Liverpool etc...but get over it - they all had their problems. There's plenty of empty office space in Newport centre, plenty of scope for redevelopment and sufficient population and wealth in the local area to support a small city centre. I'd like to see Sir Terry leading by example and locating one of his businesses in the centre with substantial numbers of jobs. He could be a leading champion of city centre regeneration in the UK.[/p][/quote]Most Hi Tech companies are not offices based. They need development labs prototyping facilities and warehouse space. You will not find then in town centres Bobevans
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4:09pm Mon 13 May 13

Severn40 says...

Perhaps he could make a start and look at the potential of the former Sainsbury's site for employment. Arguably it is the largest available site close to teh city centre and it should be earmarked for employment not residential.
Perhaps he could make a start and look at the potential of the former Sainsbury's site for employment. Arguably it is the largest available site close to teh city centre and it should be earmarked for employment not residential. Severn40
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4:23pm Mon 13 May 13

Lastpost says...

The most sensible and achievable comments about how to tackle some of the problems Newport City Centre faces.

I am not sure the designer outlet shopping centre idea would work. It was tried in Gloucester and is failing dismally.

The time for talking is over. Mr Gibson, you will have the full support of Newport residents once they see your words converted into reality.

Luckily Mr Gibson does not have a hard act to follow. I wish him luck.
The most sensible and achievable comments about how to tackle some of the problems Newport City Centre faces. I am not sure the designer outlet shopping centre idea would work. It was tried in Gloucester and is failing dismally. The time for talking is over. Mr Gibson, you will have the full support of Newport residents once they see your words converted into reality. Luckily Mr Gibson does not have a hard act to follow. I wish him luck. Lastpost
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4:32pm Mon 13 May 13

ngtarr says...

Manley wrote:
At last someone with some sense.

Newport has been blighted by the prospect of a new shopping centre which might never happen. The existing shopping area needs to be improved and the old car parks and bus station need to be demolished ASAP.

There was the possibility of developing the city centre as a university campus, but I fear that opportunity has been lost with the loss of the Newport name.
I have found out that the old bus station in Newport will be demolished at the end of the year . the new bus station will be incorporated into the friars walk complex so once at the bus station you are indoors automatically . it's all about selling the city to potential tourists. Newport has a unique history and diverse culture, but the city centre does not show that. most people think shops are closing in Newport, but there has been closures of shops in Cwmbran, Bristol and even Cardiff! I'm optimistic that Newport will improve. all it needs is time.
[quote][p][bold]Manley[/bold] wrote: At last someone with some sense. Newport has been blighted by the prospect of a new shopping centre which might never happen. The existing shopping area needs to be improved and the old car parks and bus station need to be demolished ASAP. There was the possibility of developing the city centre as a university campus, but I fear that opportunity has been lost with the loss of the Newport name.[/p][/quote]I have found out that the old bus station in Newport will be demolished at the end of the year [found out from one of the bus drivers]. the new bus station will be incorporated into the friars walk complex so once at the bus station you are indoors automatically [same as in the quadrant shopping centre is Swansea]. it's all about selling the city to potential tourists. Newport has a unique history and diverse culture, but the city centre does not show that. most people think shops are closing in Newport, but there has been closures of shops in Cwmbran, Bristol and even Cardiff! I'm optimistic that Newport will improve. all it needs is time. ngtarr
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4:35pm Mon 13 May 13

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
welshmen wrote:
Better to try and fail and never try at all, in stead of doing the usual moaning and making uncomplimentary comments which we all tend to do from time to time including me.

Take time to put your ideas on this site, what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, we have plenty of room in the City center a River and we are near to the Countryside, what could be done to make these profit Newport....
That is the very problem Newport City Centre has. It does not have much space. He quotes Cardiff Bay, London's Docklands and Salford Quay. They all had vast amounts of empty space to develop by comparison the City Centre is postage stamp sized. Two of the things he quotes Hi-Tec & Designer Retail Parks are Not City centre type business so they are a non-starter.

Newport is quite a small compact centre o it needs to have suitable sized development so a small but better quality shops with a move away from the Pound Shops Charity Shops and Cash for Gold type shops. Increase they amount of small to medium sized non retail business in the Centre and deviser facilities again these need to move more upmarket. It does not need cheap pubs and takeaways

Newport is too small to be a big player in retail it needs to be more of a niche market player
The only thing that is small and postage stamp sized Bob is the size of your imagination. All it takes is investment and design, get it right and all the rest will follow.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: Better to try and fail and never try at all, in stead of doing the usual moaning and making uncomplimentary comments which we all tend to do from time to time including me. Take time to put your ideas on this site, what you think it would take to put our City as one of the most successful Cities in the UK, we have plenty of room in the City center a River and we are near to the Countryside, what could be done to make these profit Newport....[/p][/quote]That is the very problem Newport City Centre has. It does not have much space. He quotes Cardiff Bay, London's Docklands and Salford Quay. They all had vast amounts of empty space to develop by comparison the City Centre is postage stamp sized. Two of the things he quotes Hi-Tec & Designer Retail Parks are Not City centre type business so they are a non-starter. Newport is quite a small compact centre o it needs to have suitable sized development so a small but better quality shops with a move away from the Pound Shops Charity Shops and Cash for Gold type shops. Increase they amount of small to medium sized non retail business in the Centre and deviser facilities again these need to move more upmarket. It does not need cheap pubs and takeaways Newport is too small to be a big player in retail it needs to be more of a niche market player[/p][/quote]The only thing that is small and postage stamp sized Bob is the size of your imagination. All it takes is investment and design, get it right and all the rest will follow. Howie'
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4:39pm Mon 13 May 13

Libby5 says...

Who said we had to compete with Cardiff and Bristol shopping centres? Newport has a huge population who want to shop in Newport and not to have to get on a train or drive the car for miniumum half an hour and find a parking space to buy a pair of trousers or shirt! The shoppers of Newport have day to day needs it is not just about shopping expeditions which of course Cardiff and Bristol deliver on. Is he suggesting that Newport has no shopsin its city centre? Also why has he made no mention of our beautiful Victorian market - this makes us different - the Mall in Bristol doesn't have one of these and the market in Cardiff doesn't have the beautiful architecture of Newport's market.
Who said we had to compete with Cardiff and Bristol shopping centres? Newport has a huge population who want to shop in Newport and not to have to get on a train or drive the car for miniumum half an hour and find a parking space to buy a pair of trousers or shirt! The shoppers of Newport have day to day needs it is not just about shopping expeditions which of course Cardiff and Bristol deliver on. Is he suggesting that Newport has no shopsin its city centre? Also why has he made no mention of our beautiful Victorian market - this makes us different - the Mall in Bristol doesn't have one of these and the market in Cardiff doesn't have the beautiful architecture of Newport's market. Libby5
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4:40pm Mon 13 May 13

Howie' says...

mamma1 wrote:
i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....
Quite right, Newport would be a far better place today if it had been built, off course we can thank our now Conservative Foreign Secretary William Hague who as the Welsh Secretary in 1995 took the decision to stop the barrage from being built.
[quote][p][bold]mamma1[/bold] wrote: i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....[/p][/quote]Quite right, Newport would be a far better place today if it had been built, off course we can thank our now Conservative Foreign Secretary William Hague who as the Welsh Secretary in 1995 took the decision to stop the barrage from being built. Howie'
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5:00pm Mon 13 May 13

let em swing says...

But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd. let em swing
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5:04pm Mon 13 May 13

fedupjon says...

What a load of nonsense from Sir Terry's poodle who seems to be backed by other associates.
I would love Newport to return to more prosperous times but with the Council saying one thing, Newport Unlimited another and now this taskforce I cannot see a co ordinated vision.
I seem to have missed the wonderful transport links because as most people commute by road, why are we so desperate for a ring road?
I think this group should look at many aspects and perhaps take one from each area. We may not be able to compete with Cardiff and Bristol but it would be so good if we could with Cwmbran.
What a load of nonsense from Sir Terry's poodle who seems to be backed by other associates. I would love Newport to return to more prosperous times but with the Council saying one thing, Newport Unlimited another and now this taskforce I cannot see a co ordinated vision. I seem to have missed the wonderful transport links because as most people commute by road, why are we so desperate for a ring road? I think this group should look at many aspects and perhaps take one from each area. We may not be able to compete with Cardiff and Bristol but it would be so good if we could with Cwmbran. fedupjon
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5:20pm Mon 13 May 13

NakedDancer says...

Bobevans wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
Sound common sense from SG. Newport needs some big city centre employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, cafes, restaurants and yes shops. Many high tech businesses are office based and don't manufacture, or their manufacturing is done elsewhere. Newport will never be as big as Cardiff/Liverpool etc...but get over it - they all had their problems. There's plenty of empty office space in Newport centre, plenty of scope for redevelopment and sufficient population and wealth in the local area to support a small city centre.

I'd like to see Sir Terry leading by example and locating one of his businesses in the centre with substantial numbers of jobs. He could be a leading champion of city centre regeneration in the UK.
Most Hi Tech companies are not offices based. They need development labs prototyping facilities and warehouse space. You will not find then in town centres
As I said, high tech is not just about manufacturing. I've worked for high-tech companies for 30 years and whilst they may have out-of town facilities many also have large town centre offices for design, project management, pre/post sales support, tech support, web development, admin etc and proximity to other large businesses and financial/educationa
l institutions eg IBM, Oracle, Apple. A lot of R&D is now done via computer modelling initially rather than in labs. Probably more realistically, Newport centre needs to attract services jobs like Admiral and WAG jobs.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: Sound common sense from SG. Newport needs some big city centre employers like Admiral to drive demand for hotels, cafes, restaurants and yes shops. Many high tech businesses are office based and don't manufacture, or their manufacturing is done elsewhere. Newport will never be as big as Cardiff/Liverpool etc...but get over it - they all had their problems. There's plenty of empty office space in Newport centre, plenty of scope for redevelopment and sufficient population and wealth in the local area to support a small city centre. I'd like to see Sir Terry leading by example and locating one of his businesses in the centre with substantial numbers of jobs. He could be a leading champion of city centre regeneration in the UK.[/p][/quote]Most Hi Tech companies are not offices based. They need development labs prototyping facilities and warehouse space. You will not find then in town centres[/p][/quote]As I said, high tech is not just about manufacturing. I've worked for high-tech companies for 30 years and whilst they may have out-of town facilities many also have large town centre offices for design, project management, pre/post sales support, tech support, web development, admin etc and proximity to other large businesses and financial/educationa l institutions eg IBM, Oracle, Apple. A lot of R&D is now done via computer modelling initially rather than in labs. Probably more realistically, Newport centre needs to attract services jobs like Admiral and WAG jobs. NakedDancer
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5:35pm Mon 13 May 13

East Newport Dave says...

Newport development is starting a renaissance before our very eyes in Spytty.
M & S, Costa and numerous other retailers have settled there in recent months joining the huge Tesco's.
If this is where retail outlets are starting to cluster then feed it and let more and more gather there. There is your 'outlet' and leave Mr. Gibson to sort out the City Centre. As a shopping venue it is dead in the water.
Newport development is starting a renaissance before our very eyes in Spytty. M & S, Costa and numerous other retailers have settled there in recent months joining the huge Tesco's. If this is where retail outlets are starting to cluster then feed it and let more and more gather there. There is your 'outlet' and leave Mr. Gibson to sort out the City Centre. As a shopping venue it is dead in the water. East Newport Dave
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6:01pm Mon 13 May 13

cath 872 says...

I heard weeks ago that there had been a meeting between the council and Queensbury Regeneration. Apparently, QR didn't want to start the Friars Walk scheme until all the funding was in place. The council asked them to make a start anyway, but no go. I thought all the funding and everything else was already in place. Surely Mr Gibson knew about this? What a mess.
I heard weeks ago that there had been a meeting between the council and Queensbury Regeneration. Apparently, QR didn't want to start the Friars Walk scheme until all the funding was in place. The council asked them to make a start anyway, but no go. I thought all the funding and everything else was already in place. Surely Mr Gibson knew about this? What a mess. cath 872
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6:11pm Mon 13 May 13

cath 872 says...

I forgot to add - what most people I've spoken to want are - shops. City centre = shops. Call centres and barrage schemes are not the main draw for weekend shoppers! There are plenty of shops springing up over Newport 2 -Spytty - . Why is that, I wonder. Oh yes, people like to go shopping...
I forgot to add - what most people I've spoken to want are - shops. City centre = shops. Call centres and barrage schemes are not the main draw for weekend shoppers! There are plenty of shops springing up over Newport 2 -Spytty - . Why is that, I wonder. Oh yes, people like to go shopping... cath 872
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6:19pm Mon 13 May 13

Bobevans says...

Lastpost wrote:
The most sensible and achievable comments about how to tackle some of the problems Newport City Centre faces.

I am not sure the designer outlet shopping centre idea would work. It was tried in Gloucester and is failing dismally.

The time for talking is over. Mr Gibson, you will have the full support of Newport residents once they see your words converted into reality.

Luckily Mr Gibson does not have a hard act to follow. I wish him luck.
Designer outlets are out of town based. It would not work in Newport
[quote][p][bold]Lastpost[/bold] wrote: The most sensible and achievable comments about how to tackle some of the problems Newport City Centre faces. I am not sure the designer outlet shopping centre idea would work. It was tried in Gloucester and is failing dismally. The time for talking is over. Mr Gibson, you will have the full support of Newport residents once they see your words converted into reality. Luckily Mr Gibson does not have a hard act to follow. I wish him luck.[/p][/quote]Designer outlets are out of town based. It would not work in Newport Bobevans
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6:21pm Mon 13 May 13

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
Lastpost wrote:
The most sensible and achievable comments about how to tackle some of the problems Newport City Centre faces.

I am not sure the designer outlet shopping centre idea would work. It was tried in Gloucester and is failing dismally.

The time for talking is over. Mr Gibson, you will have the full support of Newport residents once they see your words converted into reality.

Luckily Mr Gibson does not have a hard act to follow. I wish him luck.
Designer outlets are out of town based. It would not work in Newport
Who says they have to be 'out of town' Einstien?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lastpost[/bold] wrote: The most sensible and achievable comments about how to tackle some of the problems Newport City Centre faces. I am not sure the designer outlet shopping centre idea would work. It was tried in Gloucester and is failing dismally. The time for talking is over. Mr Gibson, you will have the full support of Newport residents once they see your words converted into reality. Luckily Mr Gibson does not have a hard act to follow. I wish him luck.[/p][/quote]Designer outlets are out of town based. It would not work in Newport[/p][/quote]Who says they have to be 'out of town' Einstien? Howie'
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6:26pm Mon 13 May 13

Bobevans says...

East Newport Dave wrote:
Newport development is starting a renaissance before our very eyes in Spytty.
M & S, Costa and numerous other retailers have settled there in recent months joining the huge Tesco's.
If this is where retail outlets are starting to cluster then feed it and let more and more gather there. There is your 'outlet' and leave Mr. Gibson to sort out the City Centre. As a shopping venue it is dead in the water.
It is not totally dead but needs to be far smaller and far less dependent on retail. What retail is their need to move more upmarket away from Pound shops and charity shops and a move away from down market pubs and clubs
Have some decent Pubs and some good restaurants as at present their are almost none that are up to much
[quote][p][bold]East Newport Dave[/bold] wrote: Newport development is starting a renaissance before our very eyes in Spytty. M & S, Costa and numerous other retailers have settled there in recent months joining the huge Tesco's. If this is where retail outlets are starting to cluster then feed it and let more and more gather there. There is your 'outlet' and leave Mr. Gibson to sort out the City Centre. As a shopping venue it is dead in the water.[/p][/quote]It is not totally dead but needs to be far smaller and far less dependent on retail. What retail is their need to move more upmarket away from Pound shops and charity shops and a move away from down market pubs and clubs Have some decent Pubs and some good restaurants as at present their are almost none that are up to much Bobevans
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7:00pm Mon 13 May 13

Bobevans says...

It looks like more problems for Newport Tata has reported massive losses and is considering closing down all its UK operations which are al heavily loss making the work would be transferred to its profitable Dutch operation
It looks like more problems for Newport Tata has reported massive losses and is considering closing down all its UK operations which are al heavily loss making the work would be transferred to its profitable Dutch operation Bobevans
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7:02pm Mon 13 May 13

The Red Claw says...

Severn40 wrote:
Perhaps he could make a start and look at the potential of the former Sainsbury's site for employment. Arguably it is the largest available site close to teh city centre and it should be earmarked for employment not residential.
Absolutely spot on. A large riverside location, situated only 200-300 yards as the crow flies from main bus and rail links and also just off the motorway. To the right firm this could be a very attractive site.
[quote][p][bold]Severn40[/bold] wrote: Perhaps he could make a start and look at the potential of the former Sainsbury's site for employment. Arguably it is the largest available site close to teh city centre and it should be earmarked for employment not residential.[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on. A large riverside location, situated only 200-300 yards as the crow flies from main bus and rail links and also just off the motorway. To the right firm this could be a very attractive site. The Red Claw
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7:15pm Mon 13 May 13

scraptheWAG says...

Howie' wrote:
mamma1 wrote:
i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....
Quite right, Newport would be a far better place today if it had been built, off course we can thank our now Conservative Foreign Secretary William Hague who as the Welsh Secretary in 1995 took the decision to stop the barrage from being built.
yes that was nearly 20 years ago when newport was a fairly decent town howie . The WAG could now help fund this but I think you will find if it is outside of cardiff they are not interested! good old labour
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mamma1[/bold] wrote: i still think that the barrage scheme was also a way 4 ward ..which would make Newport attractive to many boat enthusiasts and more appealing to the property's along the river front....[/p][/quote]Quite right, Newport would be a far better place today if it had been built, off course we can thank our now Conservative Foreign Secretary William Hague who as the Welsh Secretary in 1995 took the decision to stop the barrage from being built.[/p][/quote]yes that was nearly 20 years ago when newport was a fairly decent town howie . The WAG could now help fund this but I think you will find if it is outside of cardiff they are not interested! good old labour scraptheWAG
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7:17pm Mon 13 May 13

scraptheWAG says...

Bobevans wrote:
It looks like more problems for Newport Tata has reported massive losses and is considering closing down all its UK operations which are al heavily loss making the work would be transferred to its profitable Dutch operation
a lot of problems for steel makers is the price of electricity that have to pay all these green taxes etc, c02 emissions etc . Much better we buy it in from countries with no such green tax !!
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: It looks like more problems for Newport Tata has reported massive losses and is considering closing down all its UK operations which are al heavily loss making the work would be transferred to its profitable Dutch operation[/p][/quote]a lot of problems for steel makers is the price of electricity that have to pay all these green taxes etc, c02 emissions etc . Much better we buy it in from countries with no such green tax !! scraptheWAG
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7:20pm Mon 13 May 13

scraptheWAG says...

let em swing wrote:
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport scraptheWAG
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7:44pm Mon 13 May 13

NakedDancer says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote:
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up. NakedDancer
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8:45pm Mon 13 May 13

broadsworddan says...

swrxp09 wrote:
A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.
There is no reading between the lines. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think the aim of friars walk was to compete with cardiff and Bristol. That's ridiculous. Friars walk is about having a decent shopping centre in Newport. That's all. Not the best necessarily, but better than what is there now.
[quote][p][bold]swrxp09[/bold] wrote: A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.[/p][/quote]There is no reading between the lines. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think the aim of friars walk was to compete with cardiff and Bristol. That's ridiculous. Friars walk is about having a decent shopping centre in Newport. That's all. Not the best necessarily, but better than what is there now. broadsworddan
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8:57pm Mon 13 May 13

Maria Farrelly says...

ok folks, back up a little.
I moved to newport nearly 20yrs ago. WHY? to study my degree. WHY NEWPORT? because it had the BEST photography course in the UK. I spent 3 yrs with some of the BEST tutors & creatives that have all since moved on. WHY DID THEY MOVE ON? because there was nothing to keep them here, no good jobs or opportunities. I chose to stay, grafted and eventually created my own opportunity. The fact is, there are incredible people/students coming through this town every year and they're potential is ignored. There is potential to build one of the BEST cities in wales. But newport council seem set on destroying everything it touches. I run a successful business in Newport and have 2 young children. I'm now currently dealing with the habitual behaviour of local councillors as they try to close down a perfectly good school for no logical reason. It makes me want to pack up and leave. How can we trust in a city where its council as persistently letting all its people down in every direction. This runs deeper than just empty shops in the town centre. There needs to be a change in culture and infrastructure. Years of damage has been done and its going to take many more years until we start seeing any beneficial changes.
ok folks, back up a little. I moved to newport nearly 20yrs ago. WHY? to study my degree. WHY NEWPORT? because it had the BEST photography course in the UK. I spent 3 yrs with some of the BEST tutors & creatives that have all since moved on. WHY DID THEY MOVE ON? because there was nothing to keep them here, no good jobs or opportunities. I chose to stay, grafted and eventually created my own opportunity. The fact is, there are incredible people/students coming through this town every year and they're potential is ignored. There is potential to build one of the BEST cities in wales. But newport council seem set on destroying everything it touches. I run a successful business in Newport and have 2 young children. I'm now currently dealing with the habitual behaviour of local councillors as they try to close down a perfectly good school for no logical reason. It makes me want to pack up and leave. How can we trust in a city where its council as persistently letting all its people down in every direction. This runs deeper than just empty shops in the town centre. There needs to be a change in culture and infrastructure. Years of damage has been done and its going to take many more years until we start seeing any beneficial changes. Maria Farrelly
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10:01pm Mon 13 May 13

scraptheWAG says...

NakedDancer wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote:
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
look on right move flats in cardiff bay are cheap i would not buy a flat in newport (its just so far gone now)
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.[/p][/quote]look on right move flats in cardiff bay are cheap i would not buy a flat in newport (its just so far gone now) scraptheWAG
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10:46pm Mon 13 May 13

foxy3rd says...

Does anybody remember John Burrows ? of Newport Unlimited saying what Newport needs is more offices and more skyscrapers. At the time the Chartist Towers and the block opposite the old tech. had floors of windows advertising office space to let. They weren't needed and the access would have been rubbish anyway.. They would also have spoiled Newports only saving grace, the beautiful backdrop Stow Hill, Christchurch,Maindee Park and the Mynydd Maen. Newports' main problem is that the heart of the "city" is squashed between Stow Hill and the river . I don't think there would be aproblem
Does anybody remember John Burrows ? of Newport Unlimited saying what Newport needs is more offices and more skyscrapers. At the time the Chartist Towers and the block opposite the old tech. had floors of windows advertising office space to let. They weren't needed and the access would have been rubbish anyway.. They would also have spoiled Newports only saving grace, the beautiful backdrop Stow Hill, Christchurch,Maindee Park and the Mynydd Maen. Newports' main problem is that the heart of the "city" is squashed between Stow Hill and the river . I don't think there would be aproblem foxy3rd
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10:51pm Mon 13 May 13

foxy3rd says...

Does anybody remember John Burrows ? of Newport Unlimited saying what Newport needs is more offices and more skyscrapers. At the time the Chartist Towers and the block opposite the old tech. had floors of windows advertising office space to let. They weren't needed and the access would have been rubbish anyway. They would also have spoiled Newports only saving grace, the beautiful backdrop Stow Hill, Christchurch,Maindee Park band the Mynydd Maen. Newports' main problem is that the heart of the "city" is squashed between Stow Hill and the river . I don't think there would be a problem if the river wasn't there.
Does anybody remember John Burrows ? of Newport Unlimited saying what Newport needs is more offices and more skyscrapers. At the time the Chartist Towers and the block opposite the old tech. had floors of windows advertising office space to let. They weren't needed and the access would have been rubbish anyway. They would also have spoiled Newports only saving grace, the beautiful backdrop Stow Hill, Christchurch,Maindee Park band the Mynydd Maen. Newports' main problem is that the heart of the "city" is squashed between Stow Hill and the river . I don't think there would be a problem if the river wasn't there. foxy3rd
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11:12pm Mon 13 May 13

foxy3rd says...

I totally agree with Maria (above) .The film college faculty at Newport under Mr. Wright was world renown, but it was put in a skip by this absolutey useless council . I see that they've wasted more of our money by re-laying that totally unsuitable tarmac substitute on such a busy road as Wharf Rd.I wonder how long it will be before they have to relay it yet again.They might as well coat the road with banknotes.
I totally agree with Maria (above) .The film college faculty at Newport under Mr. Wright was world renown, but it was put in a skip by this absolutey useless council . I see that they've wasted more of our money by re-laying that totally unsuitable tarmac substitute on such a busy road as Wharf Rd.I wonder how long it will be before they have to relay it yet again.They might as well coat the road with banknotes. foxy3rd
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11:40pm Mon 13 May 13

Dee-Gee says...

Sounds like we have a man of intelligence and vision who can understand the complexities of modern city living.

I'd say more, but too busy laughing at the idea of high-tech businesses needing masses of lorries rolling up day and night.
Sounds like we have a man of intelligence and vision who can understand the complexities of modern city living. I'd say more, but too busy laughing at the idea of high-tech businesses needing masses of lorries rolling up day and night. Dee-Gee
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11:46pm Mon 13 May 13

Manley says...

broadsworddan wrote:
swrxp09 wrote:
A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.
There is no reading between the lines. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think the aim of friars walk was to compete with cardiff and Bristol. That's ridiculous. Friars walk is about having a decent shopping centre in Newport. That's all. Not the best necessarily, but better than what is there now.
The problem with Friars walk is that all that will happen is that shops will move from Commercial st to Friars walk and commercial st will become a deserted hole. In fact this is happening already as shops decide not to renew leases on commercial st properties in anticipation of friars walk. If the money that has been wasted on chasing Friars walk had been invested in Commercial st - which has some outstanding architecture - Newport would have a reasonable retail environment and wouldn't be losing out to the likes of Cwmbran and Spytty.
[quote][p][bold]broadsworddan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swrxp09[/bold] wrote: A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.[/p][/quote]There is no reading between the lines. You are in cloud cuckoo land if you think the aim of friars walk was to compete with cardiff and Bristol. That's ridiculous. Friars walk is about having a decent shopping centre in Newport. That's all. Not the best necessarily, but better than what is there now.[/p][/quote]The problem with Friars walk is that all that will happen is that shops will move from Commercial st to Friars walk and commercial st will become a deserted hole. In fact this is happening already as shops decide not to renew leases on commercial st properties in anticipation of friars walk. If the money that has been wasted on chasing Friars walk had been invested in Commercial st - which has some outstanding architecture - Newport would have a reasonable retail environment and wouldn't be losing out to the likes of Cwmbran and Spytty. Manley
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12:23am Tue 14 May 13

hiwsnpt says...

I'd also like to see our history put at the top of the agenda. We have a significant maritime history and a world class museum and art complex would attract hundreds of thousands into the city. Dover has 500000 to see one Viking ship we have most of our maritime history in storage. A sea st fagans. We also have significant roman history in Caerleon why not a permanent dig with full tourist facilities. Traffic in and around newport and Caerleon needs urgent attention otherwise industry won't consider newport at all.
I'd also like to see our history put at the top of the agenda. We have a significant maritime history and a world class museum and art complex would attract hundreds of thousands into the city. Dover has 500000 to see one Viking ship we have most of our maritime history in storage. A sea st fagans. We also have significant roman history in Caerleon why not a permanent dig with full tourist facilities. Traffic in and around newport and Caerleon needs urgent attention otherwise industry won't consider newport at all. hiwsnpt
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12:41am Tue 14 May 13

welshmanabroad says...

Mr Gibson ,

As a former magor and newport boy .. I remember the town/city centre as it used to be .. where parking and driving through the high street was possible. I agree with the need to bring a business core to the city , but how you deliver the people to the door without avoiding parking or having to walk long distances under current conditions. Pedestrian zones of course can work.. in combination with other modes of transport that deliver people right to the door. whether be shopping or for work.
The geographical layout and the wide streets within the centre of Newport lends itself to a tram (strassenbahn) system stretching from both ends of Newport , through the highstreet and extending upto top end of Malpas.. A model city I would encourage councillors and Mr Gibson to visit would be to Linz (comparable in size and layout). they have invested heavily in this system.. and I am sure that they would derive much benefit form such a scheme.. I would be delighted to offer my services as a guide .. S J Preece, Attnang Pucheim , Austria
Mr Gibson , As a former magor and newport boy .. I remember the town/city centre as it used to be .. where parking and driving through the high street was possible. I agree with the need to bring a business core to the city , but how you deliver the people to the door without avoiding parking or having to walk long distances under current conditions. Pedestrian zones of course can work.. in combination with other modes of transport that deliver people right to the door. whether be shopping or for work. The geographical layout and the wide streets within the centre of Newport lends itself to a tram (strassenbahn) system stretching from both ends of Newport , through the highstreet and extending upto top end of Malpas.. A model city I would encourage councillors and Mr Gibson to visit would be to Linz (comparable in size and layout). they have invested heavily in this system.. and I am sure that they would derive much benefit form such a scheme.. I would be delighted to offer my services as a guide .. S J Preece, Attnang Pucheim , Austria welshmanabroad
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8:34am Tue 14 May 13

Bobevans says...

NakedDancer wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote:
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London
[quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.[/p][/quote]£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London Bobevans
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9:03am Tue 14 May 13

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote:
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London
Where?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.[/p][/quote]£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London[/p][/quote]Where? Howie'
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11:37am Tue 14 May 13

let em swing says...

Bobevans wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote:
But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London
Youll get a 3 bed house in Cwmbran for that, and guess what, its got a great shopping centre.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.[/p][/quote]£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London[/p][/quote]Youll get a 3 bed house in Cwmbran for that, and guess what, its got a great shopping centre. let em swing
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12:21pm Tue 14 May 13

denlexx22 says...

pie in the sky
pie in the sky denlexx22
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12:43pm Tue 14 May 13

LondonWelsh63 says...

let em swing wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London
Youll get a 3 bed house in Cwmbran for that, and guess what, its got a great shopping centre.
Big Big HEH @ those post saying what you can get for £85k

Check out Rightmove , you will find you are talking through your backside
[quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.[/p][/quote]£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London[/p][/quote]Youll get a 3 bed house in Cwmbran for that, and guess what, its got a great shopping centre.[/p][/quote]Big Big HEH @ those post saying what you can get for £85k Check out Rightmove , you will find you are talking through your backside LondonWelsh63
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1:19pm Tue 14 May 13

County says...

Swindon isn't inspiring, well what town of similar size is? Oxford or York maybe but I'm afraid we can't invent history. Why should Newport be aiming higher? I've been saying the same thing about shops for a while, I'd rather not end up with big empty glass caves in ten years time.
Swindon isn't inspiring, well what town of similar size is? Oxford or York maybe but I'm afraid we can't invent history. Why should Newport be aiming higher? I've been saying the same thing about shops for a while, I'd rather not end up with big empty glass caves in ten years time. County
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5:33pm Tue 14 May 13

let em swing says...

LondonWelsh63 wrote:
let em swing wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
NakedDancer wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
let em swing wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.
i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport
What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.
£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London
Youll get a 3 bed house in Cwmbran for that, and guess what, its got a great shopping centre.
Big Big HEH @ those post saying what you can get for £85k

Check out Rightmove , you will find you are talking through your backside
Sold one in st dials for 85k in 2009, and they have not moved an inch, admit it was 2 bed, same street 3 bed 1st march 2013 £75 k, you go look on right move.
[quote][p][bold]LondonWelsh63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NakedDancer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]let em swing[/bold] wrote: But you can still get a pokey 1 bed flat in orange with a muddy river view for 85k, theres an old saying very apt for Newport, you cant polish a tvrd.[/p][/quote]i had a look at them they are ok the old art college ones are small but the ones of the front are very nice with balcony etc but no body in their right mind would buy one in a town like newport[/p][/quote]What were you expecting for £85k - herds of wilderbeast sweeping majestically across the plain ? Most people have a view of their neighbours brick wall. Apparently the takeup is very good for all the riverside flats. I like the Art College flats, pretty stylish and a range of sizes. Newport is attractive for investors as property values relatively low and rental market booming. Also good value if your on a budget and easy access to the motorway and train station if you work elsewhere. Not everyone can afford treble that or more for a flat in Cardiff Bay. The sticking point for me is the potential future value - if the housing market ever picks up.[/p][/quote]£85K for a tiny flat in a poor location is expensive. You can get nice 3 Bedroom Terraced houses for that money even close to London[/p][/quote]Youll get a 3 bed house in Cwmbran for that, and guess what, its got a great shopping centre.[/p][/quote]Big Big HEH @ those post saying what you can get for £85k Check out Rightmove , you will find you are talking through your backside[/p][/quote]Sold one in st dials for 85k in 2009, and they have not moved an inch, admit it was 2 bed, same street 3 bed 1st march 2013 £75 k, you go look on right move. let em swing
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5:36pm Tue 14 May 13

let em swing says...

http://www.rightmove
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http://www.rightmove .co.uk/house-prices/ detail.html?country= england&locationIden tifier=POSTCODE%5E11 72443&searchLocation =NP44+3NX&referrer=l andingPage let em swing
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3:42pm Wed 15 May 13

NakedDancer says...

Yes, I know there's ex-council property, do-er uppers and the less popular locations on rightmove under £85k. Nowt wrong with that, I own some of them.

New, small riverside flats are obviously not aimed at the same market as 3 bed terraced ex-council houses on estates. Simple supply & demand economics apply to property and the Riverfront flats have good takeup.

My point was just you don't get a penthouse suite and view of Sydney Opera House for £85k
Yes, I know there's ex-council property, do-er uppers and the less popular locations on rightmove under £85k. Nowt wrong with that, I own some of them. New, small riverside flats are obviously not aimed at the same market as 3 bed terraced ex-council houses on estates. Simple supply & demand economics apply to property and the Riverfront flats have good takeup. My point was just you don't get a penthouse suite and view of Sydney Opera House for £85k NakedDancer
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10:13am Thu 16 May 13

let em swing says...

No, you get a run down slum city and a muddy river, Newports finished, leave it to the imports.
No, you get a run down slum city and a muddy river, Newports finished, leave it to the imports. let em swing
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7:19pm Thu 16 May 13

Dave on his Soapbox says...

.....there are high tech businesses that don't need masses of lorries.....in IT you need people and computer terminals.....with the WAG/BT building a superfast broadband network.....Newport has Europe's biggest server farm in the old LG site....
Rome wasn't built or re-built in a day.....but what is needed is joined up thinking.....a long term vision and plan.....considering the role of the high street.....out of town shopping areas....the loss to internet shoping....which involves the council/property owners/businesses and more importantly the public.
Past experience is that the council have ideas but don't fully work through the issues....parking...
.public transport links.....facilities for leisure etc etc....it's alway very blinkered.
.....there are high tech businesses that don't need masses of lorries.....in IT you need people and computer terminals.....with the WAG/BT building a superfast broadband network.....Newport has Europe's biggest server farm in the old LG site.... Rome wasn't built or re-built in a day.....but what is needed is joined up thinking.....a long term vision and plan.....considering the role of the high street.....out of town shopping areas....the loss to internet shoping....which involves the council/property owners/businesses and more importantly the public. Past experience is that the council have ideas but don't fully work through the issues....parking... .public transport links.....facilities for leisure etc etc....it's alway very blinkered. Dave on his Soapbox
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10:41am Fri 17 May 13

MERoden says...

There are just one or two sensible suggestions here, such as the above comments by Dave on his soapbox, cath 872, and Owain Waighan, but the majority of you lot are nothing but moaners and groaners.

You moan about Newport, yet you still do all your shopping at Newport Retail Park, Spytty. Newport Retail Park is a horrible ugly place, and the new Marks and Spencer store there is a big let down. It is more like a factory outlet! Loads of people have complained about Marks and Spencer since they moved there. I know several people who went there once, and said 'NEVER AGAIN'. I say the same. I went there once, and will never go there again. That was totally Marks and Spencer's fault. Lack of trade was never a problem in their former City Centre store. There were always queues at the tills. They were simply being too picky over the premises. They have certainly lost several customers in Newport, including me. I go to Iceland and Newport Market instead now.

I never do my shopping at Newport Retail Park.

If you want Newport City Centre to improve, then you have got to support the existing traders in the city centre in the mean time while the city centre is being re-developed.

Simon Gibson has some good ideas. Since this article was published, Bob Bright (Council Leader) has said the Frairs Walk Shopping Centre is still going ahead.

The new Market Square Bus Station has to be completed first, which it will be this summer so all the buses can be moved there. Then the work on the Friars Walk development can start. Otherwise, where are the buses supposed to go? It makes perfect sense.

So come on you lot. Start being more positive. What we need is a change in attitude. If we want to encourage new businesses to invest in Newport, then we need to start being more positive and enhancing the good things about Newport, such as Tredegar House, Bellevue Park, Roman Sites in Caerleon. Newport has a lot going for it.

I will continue supporting city centre traders and spreading information on good things about Newport to people. You need to do the same.
There are just one or two sensible suggestions here, such as the above comments by Dave on his soapbox, cath 872, and Owain Waighan, but the majority of you lot are nothing but moaners and groaners. You moan about Newport, yet you still do all your shopping at Newport Retail Park, Spytty. Newport Retail Park is a horrible ugly place, and the new Marks and Spencer store there is a big let down. It is more like a factory outlet! Loads of people have complained about Marks and Spencer since they moved there. I know several people who went there once, and said 'NEVER AGAIN'. I say the same. I went there once, and will never go there again. That was totally Marks and Spencer's fault. Lack of trade was never a problem in their former City Centre store. There were always queues at the tills. They were simply being too picky over the premises. They have certainly lost several customers in Newport, including me. I go to Iceland and Newport Market instead now. I never do my shopping at Newport Retail Park. If you want Newport City Centre to improve, then you have got to support the existing traders in the city centre in the mean time while the city centre is being re-developed. Simon Gibson has some good ideas. Since this article was published, Bob Bright (Council Leader) has said the Frairs Walk Shopping Centre is still going ahead. The new Market Square Bus Station has to be completed first, which it will be this summer so all the buses can be moved there. Then the work on the Friars Walk development can start. Otherwise, where are the buses supposed to go? It makes perfect sense. So come on you lot. Start being more positive. What we need is a change in attitude. If we want to encourage new businesses to invest in Newport, then we need to start being more positive and enhancing the good things about Newport, such as Tredegar House, Bellevue Park, Roman Sites in Caerleon. Newport has a lot going for it. I will continue supporting city centre traders and spreading information on good things about Newport to people. You need to do the same. MERoden
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4:23pm Sun 19 May 13

emmaw86 says...

MERoden wrote:
There are just one or two sensible suggestions here, such as the above comments by Dave on his soapbox, cath 872, and Owain Waighan, but the majority of you lot are nothing but moaners and groaners.

You moan about Newport, yet you still do all your shopping at Newport Retail Park, Spytty. Newport Retail Park is a horrible ugly place, and the new Marks and Spencer store there is a big let down. It is more like a factory outlet! Loads of people have complained about Marks and Spencer since they moved there. I know several people who went there once, and said 'NEVER AGAIN'. I say the same. I went there once, and will never go there again. That was totally Marks and Spencer's fault. Lack of trade was never a problem in their former City Centre store. There were always queues at the tills. They were simply being too picky over the premises. They have certainly lost several customers in Newport, including me. I go to Iceland and Newport Market instead now.

I never do my shopping at Newport Retail Park.

If you want Newport City Centre to improve, then you have got to support the existing traders in the city centre in the mean time while the city centre is being re-developed.

Simon Gibson has some good ideas. Since this article was published, Bob Bright (Council Leader) has said the Frairs Walk Shopping Centre is still going ahead.

The new Market Square Bus Station has to be completed first, which it will be this summer so all the buses can be moved there. Then the work on the Friars Walk development can start. Otherwise, where are the buses supposed to go? It makes perfect sense.

So come on you lot. Start being more positive. What we need is a change in attitude. If we want to encourage new businesses to invest in Newport, then we need to start being more positive and enhancing the good things about Newport, such as Tredegar House, Bellevue Park, Roman Sites in Caerleon. Newport has a lot going for it.

I will continue supporting city centre traders and spreading information on good things about Newport to people. You need to do the same.
I shop in Spytty because that's where the shops I need are! Sadly I'm not going to drive miles and pay £4 for 2 hrs parking just so I can pop into the centre for overpriced tat. There's nothing worth making the effort for at the moment. I hope progress is made as it has potential.
[quote][p][bold]MERoden[/bold] wrote: There are just one or two sensible suggestions here, such as the above comments by Dave on his soapbox, cath 872, and Owain Waighan, but the majority of you lot are nothing but moaners and groaners. You moan about Newport, yet you still do all your shopping at Newport Retail Park, Spytty. Newport Retail Park is a horrible ugly place, and the new Marks and Spencer store there is a big let down. It is more like a factory outlet! Loads of people have complained about Marks and Spencer since they moved there. I know several people who went there once, and said 'NEVER AGAIN'. I say the same. I went there once, and will never go there again. That was totally Marks and Spencer's fault. Lack of trade was never a problem in their former City Centre store. There were always queues at the tills. They were simply being too picky over the premises. They have certainly lost several customers in Newport, including me. I go to Iceland and Newport Market instead now. I never do my shopping at Newport Retail Park. If you want Newport City Centre to improve, then you have got to support the existing traders in the city centre in the mean time while the city centre is being re-developed. Simon Gibson has some good ideas. Since this article was published, Bob Bright (Council Leader) has said the Frairs Walk Shopping Centre is still going ahead. The new Market Square Bus Station has to be completed first, which it will be this summer so all the buses can be moved there. Then the work on the Friars Walk development can start. Otherwise, where are the buses supposed to go? It makes perfect sense. So come on you lot. Start being more positive. What we need is a change in attitude. If we want to encourage new businesses to invest in Newport, then we need to start being more positive and enhancing the good things about Newport, such as Tredegar House, Bellevue Park, Roman Sites in Caerleon. Newport has a lot going for it. I will continue supporting city centre traders and spreading information on good things about Newport to people. You need to do the same.[/p][/quote]I shop in Spytty because that's where the shops I need are! Sadly I'm not going to drive miles and pay £4 for 2 hrs parking just so I can pop into the centre for overpriced tat. There's nothing worth making the effort for at the moment. I hope progress is made as it has potential. emmaw86
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10:52am Thu 23 May 13

lee neale says...

swrxp09 wrote:
A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.
Yes I agree...basically Newport is finished!!
[quote][p][bold]swrxp09[/bold] wrote: A few things worry me here. Mr Gibson says ""What did Cardiff Bay have, what did Salford Quays have, what did Liverpool have, what did Canary Whalf have?", I can tell you. They had a massive population and an exsiting tourist trade. Newport cannot compare with those cities. It is the same mistake when they tried to sell the Ryder Cup by comparing Newport to Dublin, a city that has a massive tourist business. He also says Newport cannot compete with Bristol and Cardiff as shopping centres (read between the lines for no Friars Walk) and then mentions "designer outlet shopping" as we see at Swindon. There are already two of these types of outlets at Ebbw Vale and Bridgend. Has anyone been to Swindon lateley? Not exactly inspiring. I think Newport should forget the big ideas and brighten up what it has.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree...basically Newport is finished!! lee neale
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