Could ‘Farteg’ be the new name for Varteg?

First published in Gwent news

IT sounds like a silly school playground insult, but “Farteg” could be on signs welcoming people to the village of Varteg.

Consultation was launched at the beginning of the year on 22 Welsh place names for communities across Torfaen.

The aim was to encourage the use of the Welsh language and celebrate the countries heritage with places that have just ‘English’ names like Pantygaseg and Varteg getting new Welsh translations to go alongside their ‘English’ counterparts on things like road signs.

But the potential for a bus to be seen rolling on with Farteg emblazoned across the electronic destination display has proved too much for many who have turned to Torfaen’s long-serving MP, the former cabinet minister Paul Murphy for help.

Mr Murphy called the whole naming process a “rather a dubious one.”

“I have to say I back local people in Varteg and their Councillors on this one. ‘Varteg’ is not an English word, and so translating it is totally unnecessary. It is a name that reflects our rich history and culture in the Eastern Valley, with its Welsh Language and English Language influences.

“I’m supportive of sensible steps to help the Welsh Language, but this is not the way to achieve that – it will only fuel resentment.

“Why should people in Varteg be told how to spell their own place name?

“The whole process, it strikes me, is rather a dubious one, in that it seeks to ignore the history of place names in our area and the linguistic mix they reflect, and replace it with an imposed uniformity.

“The key to promoting the language is to recognise our differences across our communities in Wales, not to stifle it.”

A council spokesman said: ‘This new consultation follows a three week public consultation in January which considered twenty-two Welsh place names across Torfaen. After discussion with the local councillor the ‘Farteg’ was considered inappropriate and was not adopted at the time. The Welsh Language Commissioner has proposed the alternative name ‘Y Farteg’ , upon which the residents of the Varteg community will be able to express their views.’

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1:14pm Mon 23 Sep 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Dear god. 'Farteg' is probably appropriate when you consider which orifice these Welsh language zealots are talking out of. Has Torfaen really got nothing better to use resources and money on?
Dear god. 'Farteg' is probably appropriate when you consider which orifice these Welsh language zealots are talking out of. Has Torfaen really got nothing better to use resources and money on? Llanmartinangel
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5:27pm Mon 23 Sep 13

Realist UK says...

Nationalist zealots.
Nationalist zealots. Realist UK
  • Score: 3

9:14am Tue 24 Sep 13

varteg1 says...

Hands off VARTEG, we like it as it is.

This is NOT a strong Cymraeg area, hardly anyone has command of the language, even if there is a Ysgol Cymraeg,( which we were not asked to approve of anyway), in the area. It was just dumped on us, along with the constant stream of incoming and outgoing traffic bringing the kidsto and from the ysgol daily, from all over the valley.

Now some idiot with a nationalist bent wants US to allow a name change to suits his inane agenda.
NO way Jose.

This is VARTEG..............
....................
.. and so it shall remain.

They can take their Cymraeg nonsense and shove it where the sun don't shine and where **** come from.
Hands off VARTEG, we like it as it is. This is NOT a strong Cymraeg area, hardly anyone has command of the language, even if there is a Ysgol Cymraeg,( which we were not asked to approve of anyway), in the area. It was just dumped on us, along with the constant stream of incoming and outgoing traffic bringing the kidsto and from the ysgol daily, from all over the valley. Now some idiot with a nationalist bent wants US to allow a name change to suits his inane agenda. NO way Jose. This is VARTEG.............. .................... .. and so it shall remain. They can take their Cymraeg nonsense and shove it where the sun don't shine and where **** come from. varteg1
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1:34pm Tue 24 Sep 13

Woodgnome says...

I cannot believe anyone in their right mind would seriously propose this name change. If they want to be a total joke - go for it!!
I cannot believe anyone in their right mind would seriously propose this name change. If they want to be a total joke - go for it!! Woodgnome
  • Score: 3

3:59pm Tue 24 Sep 13

fred270676 says...

Actually the correct Welsh name is Eg-Y-**** lol
Actually the correct Welsh name is Eg-Y-**** lol fred270676
  • Score: 0

11:45pm Tue 24 Sep 13

county mad says...

Its quite appropriate as most people think its a sh*thole anyway! They should tell the taffia to v*ck off
Its quite appropriate as most people think its a sh*thole anyway! They should tell the taffia to v*ck off county mad
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9:06am Wed 25 Sep 13

Woodgnome says...

This humiliation has now reached New York! Wales a laughing stock again. http://www.nydailyne
ws.com/news/world/st
inks-welsh-villagers
-worried-change-****
eg-article-1.1466415
This humiliation has now reached New York! Wales a laughing stock again. http://www.nydailyne ws.com/news/world/st inks-welsh-villagers -worried-change-**** eg-article-1.1466415 Woodgnome
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12:23pm Wed 25 Sep 13

Fahvernugen says...

You know what I was not going to bother commenting on this post, and I'm not going to lower myself to the tone of some of these posts. Y Farteg is no big deal, you are making it a big deal. I grew up in a Hamlet called Shwt, which lets face it, if your'e going to make the leap in words that you lot are making is much worse a place to live according to you lot. However the people that live there are quite happy with the name, as am I, like most things in life the name is funny for all of 30seconds and people move on, like you should all do.
You know what I was not going to bother commenting on this post, and I'm not going to lower myself to the tone of some of these posts. Y Farteg is no big deal, you are making it a big deal. I grew up in a Hamlet called Shwt, which lets face it, if your'e going to make the leap in words that you lot are making is much worse a place to live according to you lot. However the people that live there are quite happy with the name, as am I, like most things in life the name is funny for all of 30seconds and people move on, like you should all do. Fahvernugen
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8:07pm Fri 27 Sep 13

varteg1 says...

county mad wrote:
Its quite appropriate as most people think its a sh*thole anyway! They should tell the taffia to v*ck off
Actually, since the demise of British Coal in the area, almost all homes in the village are now privately owned and many thousands of Pounds of both personal and public money has been spent refurbishing the old miners houses.

Gladstone, Terrace ( and soon Pembroke Terrace and Salisbury Terrace will have new roofs provided by Assembly funding, and once the opencast has been completed and the mountain side redeveloped into a country leisure area, the present desire for accommodation in this village will in creased, leading to a massive hike in the status of the village.

What was once a place where only the poorest, myself at the time included, could be found living, or wanting to live, due to their circumstances, or the fact they were coal board tenants, those days are gone and the whole village has been raised to a semi rural suburban place where houses are no longer so readily available to anyone except new tenants for the few remaining rented houses, the rest being sought after by incomers looking for a peaceful and nice area to live.

No longer a sh*t hole, now a haven of tranquility that many wish to come to , but few opportunities to dos so are available.

Anyone wanting to come here must be patient and now wait until we older bods snuff it.
Once in, few want to leave.
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: Its quite appropriate as most people think its a sh*thole anyway! They should tell the taffia to v*ck off[/p][/quote]Actually, since the demise of British Coal in the area, almost all homes in the village are now privately owned and many thousands of Pounds of both personal and public money has been spent refurbishing the old miners houses. Gladstone, Terrace ( and soon Pembroke Terrace and Salisbury Terrace will have new roofs provided by Assembly funding, and once the opencast has been completed and the mountain side redeveloped into a country leisure area, the present desire for accommodation in this village will in creased, leading to a massive hike in the status of the village. What was once a place where only the poorest, myself at the time included, could be found living, or wanting to live, due to their circumstances, or the fact they were coal board tenants, those days are gone and the whole village has been raised to a semi rural suburban place where houses are no longer so readily available to anyone except new tenants for the few remaining rented houses, the rest being sought after by incomers looking for a peaceful and nice area to live. No longer a sh*t hole, now a haven of tranquility that many wish to come to , but few opportunities to dos so are available. Anyone wanting to come here must be patient and now wait until we older bods snuff it. Once in, few want to leave. varteg1
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