‘Welsh males need greater equality’

CAMPAIGNERS in Wales have called on the Welsh Government to do more to tackle the inequalities faced by men and boys in Wales.

According to the group Alliance Cymru, men and boys in Wales face shorter life expectancies, worse educational outcomes, greater risk of being excluded from school, homelessness and suicide.

Alliance Cymru have now sent every Assembly Member a new book called “Equality For Men” in the hope that it will inspire the politicians to take more action to address “men’s issues” in 2014.

Anne O’Regan, of Alliance Cymru, said: “The Welsh Government says it puts equality and inclusion at the heart of the work it does to help Wales to grow and flourish. If this is the case then we want to know what action we can expect to see next year to tackle the many inequalities that men and boys face?”

“If any Assembly Members are in any doubt that men and boys face serious inequality in a number of areas, then the book we’ve sent them about Equality For Men should set them straight.”

Alliance Cymru also expressed concern at various other factors they’d like the government to address, including father involvement, as one in four children in Wales have no relationship with their father; education, as more than 70% of children identified with Special Educational Needs are boys; suicide, health, unemployment and domestic violence.

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7:48am Tue 24 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Some shocking statistics there. It's very important to realise that sexism and gender oppression also affects males, even though we still live in a male-dominated patriarchy.

Since we're on the subject of gender equality and diversity, and the Welsh government claim to put 'equality' and 'inclusion' at the heart of their policies, they might also like to reflect on why there is not to-date one openly transgender or gender non-conformist AM in the whole of the Assembly, too.
Some shocking statistics there. It's very important to realise that sexism and gender oppression also affects males, even though we still live in a male-dominated patriarchy. Since we're on the subject of gender equality and diversity, and the Welsh government claim to put 'equality' and 'inclusion' at the heart of their policies, they might also like to reflect on why there is not to-date one openly transgender or gender non-conformist AM in the whole of the Assembly, too. Katie Re-Registered

7:51am Tue 24 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Btw....Assembly Member gender equality representative Rosemary Butler offers - through the Newport Women's Forum - an annual bursary to all Newport women over the age of eighteen. Might be worth extending this helping hand to struggling Newport people of other genders, too - obviously including men of course?
Btw....Assembly Member gender equality representative Rosemary Butler offers - through the Newport Women's Forum - an annual bursary to all Newport women over the age of eighteen. Might be worth extending this helping hand to struggling Newport people of other genders, too - obviously including men of course? Katie Re-Registered

8:14am Tue 24 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

Oh thank you Katie Recycled Committee. As I surveyed the devastation caused by the storm I needed a laugh, and
" struggling Newport people of other genders, too - obviously including men of course?"
is a wonderful tonic. Be honest-was there no sniggering on the committee when that particular motion was passed? A little straining maybe? oh joy!
In passing, the State does not, by definition, have the power to do good; it can only refrain from doing bad. So if it's the State's bad doing that's causing the problem, how can it be stopped? My suggestion would be wresting schooling from the State; it has clearly "failed" at education and though the failure inevitably accelerated, like everything else 1997-2010, I can't pretend that the signs weren't already there.
So, Gove's free schools may be a faltering but necessary step away from the eternal darkness of the N.U.T. and its like-and all its members of all their respective 100's of "genders" Katie Committee
Oh thank you Katie Recycled Committee. As I surveyed the devastation caused by the storm I needed a laugh, and " struggling Newport people of other genders, too - obviously including men of course?" is a wonderful tonic. Be honest-was there no sniggering on the committee when that particular motion was passed? A little straining maybe? oh joy! In passing, the State does not, by definition, have the power to do good; it can only refrain from doing bad. So if it's the State's bad doing that's causing the problem, how can it be stopped? My suggestion would be wresting schooling from the State; it has clearly "failed" at education and though the failure inevitably accelerated, like everything else 1997-2010, I can't pretend that the signs weren't already there. So, Gove's free schools may be a faltering but necessary step away from the eternal darkness of the N.U.T. and its like-and all its members of all their respective 100's of "genders" Katie Committee Dai Rear

9:35am Tue 24 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
Some shocking statistics there. It's very important to realise that sexism and gender oppression also affects males, even though we still live in a male-dominated patriarchy.

Since we're on the subject of gender equality and diversity, and the Welsh government claim to put 'equality' and 'inclusion' at the heart of their policies, they might also like to reflect on why there is not to-date one openly transgender or gender non-conformist AM in the whole of the Assembly, too.
Currently among the AMs there are no cross-dressing Giraffes but there are plenty of knuckle dragging Baboons who may, in the course of their private lives, get up to all sorts.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: Some shocking statistics there. It's very important to realise that sexism and gender oppression also affects males, even though we still live in a male-dominated patriarchy. Since we're on the subject of gender equality and diversity, and the Welsh government claim to put 'equality' and 'inclusion' at the heart of their policies, they might also like to reflect on why there is not to-date one openly transgender or gender non-conformist AM in the whole of the Assembly, too.[/p][/quote]Currently among the AMs there are no cross-dressing Giraffes but there are plenty of knuckle dragging Baboons who may, in the course of their private lives, get up to all sorts. Stevenboy

11:05am Tue 24 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

I don't understand either this article, or the point of this campaign. They're obviously talking about class and/or social equality issues - but then why single the male of the species out? Surely women face the same problems?
I don't understand either this article, or the point of this campaign. They're obviously talking about class and/or social equality issues - but then why single the male of the species out? Surely women face the same problems? GardenVarietyMushroom

1:20pm Tue 24 Dec 13

blackandamber says...

Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath. blackandamber

5:47pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Magor says...

If you are male,white and British the PC brigade have put you at the bottom of the pile.
If you are male,white and British the PC brigade have put you at the bottom of the pile. Magor

5:52pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Magor says...

blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
I expect there will be Romanian gangmasters ready to go from 1st Jan.They will be forcing out the Poles in the race to the wages bottom.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]I expect there will be Romanian gangmasters ready to go from 1st Jan.They will be forcing out the Poles in the race to the wages bottom. Magor

6:18pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do? Llanmartinangel

6:33pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Magor says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?
Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?[/p][/quote]Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived, Magor

6:59pm Tue 24 Dec 13

blackandamber says...

Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?
Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,
I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?[/p][/quote]Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,[/p][/quote]I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits. blackandamber

10:56pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

blackandamber wrote:
Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?
Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,
I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.
In general the rates were a fair bit above min wage because the roles called for more than just script reading. I often interviewed with a senior HR person who was quite brutal in her analysis that in some cases, people only turned up for interviews to satisfy job centre criteria and retain JSA. This was confirmed on a few occasions when we had graduates say that the role was 'beneath them'. I genuinely lost count of the numbers of requests we got in Cardiff for 'less than 15 hours' or 'job share' to avoid benefit loss. We couldn't do this as the cost of training two people was obviously double that of one. We interviewed one Czech guy who offered to train himself before his contract started if we'd lend him the materials. Draw your own conclusions. I did.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?[/p][/quote]Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,[/p][/quote]I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.[/p][/quote]In general the rates were a fair bit above min wage because the roles called for more than just script reading. I often interviewed with a senior HR person who was quite brutal in her analysis that in some cases, people only turned up for interviews to satisfy job centre criteria and retain JSA. This was confirmed on a few occasions when we had graduates say that the role was 'beneath them'. I genuinely lost count of the numbers of requests we got in Cardiff for 'less than 15 hours' or 'job share' to avoid benefit loss. We couldn't do this as the cost of training two people was obviously double that of one. We interviewed one Czech guy who offered to train himself before his contract started if we'd lend him the materials. Draw your own conclusions. I did. Llanmartinangel

11:01pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

blackandamber wrote:
Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?
Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,
I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.
I should also point out that I believe benefits too generous and minimum wage too low. If min wage was higher we'd all pay less in tax credits to subsidise unscrupulous employers. You'd also incentivise local people back into work. I would hope anyway.
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?[/p][/quote]Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,[/p][/quote]I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.[/p][/quote]I should also point out that I believe benefits too generous and minimum wage too low. If min wage was higher we'd all pay less in tax credits to subsidise unscrupulous employers. You'd also incentivise local people back into work. I would hope anyway. Llanmartinangel

9:55am Wed 25 Dec 13

Dai Rear says...

I think we drifted off Welsh males being at a disadvantage compared with the 47 other "genders" identified by the Katie Recycled Committee but isn't the answer to the question" what did we do before Poles?" that the more "awareness" of welfare in each generation the greater the take up of welfare and the less the interest in the alternatives.
The remedy is not only taking education out of the failed hand of the State, but of stopping index-linking welfare. As it thus begins to die it becomes less interesting and attractive and we recover a degree of sanity relatively painlessly
I think we drifted off Welsh males being at a disadvantage compared with the 47 other "genders" identified by the Katie Recycled Committee but isn't the answer to the question" what did we do before Poles?" that the more "awareness" of welfare in each generation the greater the take up of welfare and the less the interest in the alternatives. The remedy is not only taking education out of the failed hand of the State, but of stopping index-linking welfare. As it thus begins to die it becomes less interesting and attractive and we recover a degree of sanity relatively painlessly Dai Rear

12:50pm Fri 27 Dec 13

welshmen says...

The problem we have is years and years of people encouraged by the benefits system not to work because they are better off out of work, past Governments have seen to this, other people come to our country usually from poorer countries even £4.00 and hour is more than they can get in their Country, who can blame them.

It's easy for Governments to blame the benefit scroungers it makes them look like they are not to blame and you aim your frustrations at the so called scroungers, with the decline in education and other important social skills Governments get what they want, an open door to immigration to for fill the jobs British people wont or cant do, our British culture is in decline it has been for the last twenty years or so and Governments are quite happy with that....
The problem we have is years and years of people encouraged by the benefits system not to work because they are better off out of work, past Governments have seen to this, other people come to our country usually from poorer countries even £4.00 and hour is more than they can get in their Country, who can blame them. It's easy for Governments to blame the benefit scroungers it makes them look like they are not to blame and you aim your frustrations at the so called scroungers, with the decline in education and other important social skills Governments get what they want, an open door to immigration to for fill the jobs British people wont or cant do, our British culture is in decline it has been for the last twenty years or so and Governments are quite happy with that.... welshmen

1:04pm Fri 27 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Magor wrote:
If you are male,white and British the PC brigade have put you at the bottom of the pile.
The only way to beat the PC brigade and get our Country back from its decline is to have the courage for change, support the only party that loves this Country The British National Party, the Media blackout their achievements so you don't get to hear about them, most Governments adopt watered down versions of the BNP policies, the BNP don't rely on cash support from Bankers Unions or Companies to fund their Election campaign, they can implement their policies with out threats from their backers because they have none except for the voters who can put them in Westminster....
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: If you are male,white and British the PC brigade have put you at the bottom of the pile.[/p][/quote]The only way to beat the PC brigade and get our Country back from its decline is to have the courage for change, support the only party that loves this Country The British National Party, the Media blackout their achievements so you don't get to hear about them, most Governments adopt watered down versions of the BNP policies, the BNP don't rely on cash support from Bankers Unions or Companies to fund their Election campaign, they can implement their policies with out threats from their backers because they have none except for the voters who can put them in Westminster.... welshmen

7:04pm Sun 29 Dec 13

Mervyn James says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Oh thank you Katie Recycled Committee. As I surveyed the devastation caused by the storm I needed a laugh, and
" struggling Newport people of other genders, too - obviously including men of course?"
is a wonderful tonic. Be honest-was there no sniggering on the committee when that particular motion was passed? A little straining maybe? oh joy!
In passing, the State does not, by definition, have the power to do good; it can only refrain from doing bad. So if it's the State's bad doing that's causing the problem, how can it be stopped? My suggestion would be wresting schooling from the State; it has clearly "failed" at education and though the failure inevitably accelerated, like everything else 1997-2010, I can't pretend that the signs weren't already there.
So, Gove's free schools may be a faltering but necessary step away from the eternal darkness of the N.U.T. and its like-and all its members of all their respective 100's of "genders" Katie Committee
There are issues of gender, be it education, work or health areas, there IS a definite bias to females. Male teachers are a minority, male social workers are a minority, medical staff and carers are a female bastion too Men have suffered the media outbursts labeling them all rapists and abusers, this has affected education as women teachers fail to relate to the issues of young males in their classes, and unable to control them. In the care area a male is an absolute novelty with many applicants viewed with suspicion for wanting to work in care areas with children or vulnerable. If media would stop giving all male dogs a bad name, maybe they wouldn't go all out to earn it. One area seems to buck the trend, politics, where female bias failed to get them away from the start line. What stopped them ? erm... democracy, when put on a level pegging they complained voters preferred males, and demanded majority applicants were to be female DOH ! (And it still failed).
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Oh thank you Katie Recycled Committee. As I surveyed the devastation caused by the storm I needed a laugh, and " struggling Newport people of other genders, too - obviously including men of course?" is a wonderful tonic. Be honest-was there no sniggering on the committee when that particular motion was passed? A little straining maybe? oh joy! In passing, the State does not, by definition, have the power to do good; it can only refrain from doing bad. So if it's the State's bad doing that's causing the problem, how can it be stopped? My suggestion would be wresting schooling from the State; it has clearly "failed" at education and though the failure inevitably accelerated, like everything else 1997-2010, I can't pretend that the signs weren't already there. So, Gove's free schools may be a faltering but necessary step away from the eternal darkness of the N.U.T. and its like-and all its members of all their respective 100's of "genders" Katie Committee[/p][/quote]There are issues of gender, be it education, work or health areas, there IS a definite bias to females. Male teachers are a minority, male social workers are a minority, medical staff and carers are a female bastion too Men have suffered the media outbursts labeling them all rapists and abusers, this has affected education as women teachers fail to relate to the issues of young males in their classes, and unable to control them. In the care area a male is an absolute novelty with many applicants viewed with suspicion for wanting to work in care areas with children or vulnerable. If media would stop giving all male dogs a bad name, maybe they wouldn't go all out to earn it. One area seems to buck the trend, politics, where female bias failed to get them away from the start line. What stopped them ? erm... democracy, when put on a level pegging they complained voters preferred males, and demanded majority applicants were to be female DOH ! (And it still failed). Mervyn James

2:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Magor wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
blackandamber wrote:
Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.
Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?
Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,
I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.
In general the rates were a fair bit above min wage because the roles called for more than just script reading. I often interviewed with a senior HR person who was quite brutal in her analysis that in some cases, people only turned up for interviews to satisfy job centre criteria and retain JSA. This was confirmed on a few occasions when we had graduates say that the role was 'beneath them'. I genuinely lost count of the numbers of requests we got in Cardiff for 'less than 15 hours' or 'job share' to avoid benefit loss. We couldn't do this as the cost of training two people was obviously double that of one. We interviewed one Czech guy who offered to train himself before his contract started if we'd lend him the materials. Draw your own conclusions. I did.
We have tried to recruit for our business from the Job Centre also.
Three people were due to come in for interview, not one of them turned up.
We have had people who work for the required number of hours to retain their
allowance. Their work ethic was questionable and they let us down often.
It is very difficult to get anybody these days who actually ENJOYS working and not just for the money.
I love working and health issues permitting, I intend to go on for as long as I am physically able.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: Well perhaps we could make a start on equality at the Dunbia meat processing plant in Ceredigion where 350 of the 650 workers are from eastern Europe. Dunbia are now creating a further 208 jobs aided of course by a £1.8 million grant from, yes you guessed it the Welsh taxpayer. Perhaps purely in the interests of equality of course, that the 208 new jobs could be open to Welsh men and women as a first option before foreign workers are considered. I will not hold my breath.[/p][/quote]Why do you suppose it is that (a) locals don't apply or (b) the employer prefers Eastern Europeans? Over a period of two years I recruited people for call centres. You'd be amazed how many Brits would list reasons why they couldn't take the job. Top excuse was 'it's 42 hours/week, my benefits will be cut'. 'I can't fit it in with my childcare' was common too. The Poles in particular always went after it hungrily and almost never finished up on disciplinaries. Selecting on nationality is of course illegal. If you were an employer what would you do?[/p][/quote]Well we managed with our own workforce before these modern day slaves arrived,[/p][/quote]I have to accept what you are saying is correct not having any facts to the contrary but surely then three things must happen. 1 You must accept that Ian Duncan Smith is right to cut peoples benefits to a max of £26k per annum or even to subsistence level. 2. Because they have children and cannot then support those children other than recourse to state support, then family allowance, maternity allowance should be abolished. And lastly perhaps if you when you are recruiting for your call centres you might pay more than minimum wage you would encourage people to ditch benefits.[/p][/quote]In general the rates were a fair bit above min wage because the roles called for more than just script reading. I often interviewed with a senior HR person who was quite brutal in her analysis that in some cases, people only turned up for interviews to satisfy job centre criteria and retain JSA. This was confirmed on a few occasions when we had graduates say that the role was 'beneath them'. I genuinely lost count of the numbers of requests we got in Cardiff for 'less than 15 hours' or 'job share' to avoid benefit loss. We couldn't do this as the cost of training two people was obviously double that of one. We interviewed one Czech guy who offered to train himself before his contract started if we'd lend him the materials. Draw your own conclusions. I did.[/p][/quote]We have tried to recruit for our business from the Job Centre also. Three people were due to come in for interview, not one of them turned up. We have had people who work for the required number of hours to retain their allowance. Their work ethic was questionable and they let us down often. It is very difficult to get anybody these days who actually ENJOYS working and not just for the money. I love working and health issues permitting, I intend to go on for as long as I am physically able. Cymru Am Beth

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