ARGUS COMMENT: Honour is just reward for Rosemary Butler

South Wales Argus: ARGUS COMMENT: Honour is just reward for Rosemary Butler ARGUS COMMENT: Honour is just reward for Rosemary Butler

TODAY we send our warmest congratulations to Rosemary Butler, named as a Dame in the Queen's new year honours list.

In our view Mrs Butler is a worthy recipient of the honour.

She has been a remarkable servant to Newport during more than 40 years as a local politician.

Mrs Butler had been a Labour councillor for Caerleon since the early 1970s before she was elected to the National Assembly when its was created in 1999. She has been the AM for Newport West since then.

Throughout the Assembly's existence she has been one of its central figures, whether as a minister, committee chair, or in recent years as Deputy Presiding Officer and then Presiding Officer.

Mrs Butler succeeded Dafydd Elis-Thomas in 2011, becoming the Assembly's second Presiding Officer and the first woman to hold the role.

For many people across Wales and the wider world, Rosemary Butler has become the face of the Assembly.

This newspaper has always had a good relationship with Mrs Butler. We do not share all her views, most notably we disagree with her opinion that the Assembly should have more AMs.

But we recognise the wonderful service she has given to the people of Caerleon, of Newport, and of Wales, for more than four decades.

And we are delighted to be one of the first to say congratulations to Dame Rosemary.

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10:22am Tue 31 Dec 13

Magor says...

Looking at the state of Newport and other parts of Wales she deserves nothing.
Looking at the state of Newport and other parts of Wales she deserves nothing. Magor

10:28am Tue 31 Dec 13

KarloMarko says...

Pretty sure Kev the Argus Ed will be in line for an OBE next year? CERTAINLY A OBN!
Pretty sure Kev the Argus Ed will be in line for an OBE next year? CERTAINLY A OBN! KarloMarko

10:36am Tue 31 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

If anything, Rosemary deserves it. Good woman and nice family/ Lost her 40 year old daughter about August-ish and she still must be grieving, Don't be so harsh please. No worse than Sir Harry Jones being knighted. Now that is something to moan about.
If anything, Rosemary deserves it. Good woman and nice family/ Lost her 40 year old daughter about August-ish and she still must be grieving, Don't be so harsh please. No worse than Sir Harry Jones being knighted. Now that is something to moan about. Banjalucka

11:04am Tue 31 Dec 13

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

As always, we're very happy to receive comments that take a different viewpoint to ours.
However, if you only wish to post disgusting comments then please go to another site.
This is a family website read by people of all ages.
Thank you.
As always, we're very happy to receive comments that take a different viewpoint to ours. However, if you only wish to post disgusting comments then please go to another site. This is a family website read by people of all ages. Thank you. Kevin Ward - Editor

11:52am Tue 31 Dec 13

pillboy says...

I don't agree with giving overpaid politicians honors.
I don't agree with giving overpaid politicians honors. pillboy

12:03pm Tue 31 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Strange there, Kev how you only choose to congratulate Rosemary Butler for her honours nomination and not all the other, arguably far more deserving folk of South Wales.

I think that Marko might be right - I too think an OBN could be heading your way.
Strange there, Kev how you only choose to congratulate Rosemary Butler for her honours nomination and not all the other, arguably far more deserving folk of South Wales. I think that Marko might be right - I too think an OBN could be heading your way. GardenVarietyMushroom

12:07pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

There is nothing like a Dame, nothing in the world....!
There is nothing like a Dame, nothing in the world....! Katie Re-Registered

12:09pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Personally, I've always wanted to be a Generalissimo. Or in my case maybe a Generalissima!
Personally, I've always wanted to be a Generalissimo. Or in my case maybe a Generalissima! Katie Re-Registered

12:18pm Tue 31 Dec 13

pillboy says...

A pantomime dame would have been more appropriate - for her performances at the pantomime which is the Welsh assembly
A pantomime dame would have been more appropriate - for her performances at the pantomime which is the Welsh assembly pillboy

12:36pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

pillboy wrote:
A pantomime dame would have been more appropriate - for her performances at the pantomime which is the Welsh assembly
Oh no it wouldn't!;)
[quote][p][bold]pillboy[/bold] wrote: A pantomime dame would have been more appropriate - for her performances at the pantomime which is the Welsh assembly[/p][/quote]Oh no it wouldn't!;) Katie Re-Registered

12:43pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Jonnytrouble says...

THE EDITOR missed out here.... YOU should have listed ( or some ) of her achievements ?????? as I ain't got a clue what she has done...All I see of Newport is a mess right now !
THE EDITOR missed out here.... YOU should have listed ( or some ) of her achievements ?????? as I ain't got a clue what she has done...All I see of Newport is a mess right now ! Jonnytrouble

1:59pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

One thing that Rosemary Butler does do for the people of Newport is provide a bursary run through the Newport Women's Forum whereby grants of up to £1,000 are available every year for all female Newport residents over the age of 18 to provide economic assistance for their educational or personal development. This has been advertised in the Argus annually - usually coinciding with the beginning of each financial year (i.e. March/April). This financial help is available through application to a board which decides whether or not the applicant is deserving of the money. However, there is a strict rule that you have to be female to be eligible for this financial assistance as it is available to women-only - sorry guys!
One thing that Rosemary Butler does do for the people of Newport is provide a bursary run through the Newport Women's Forum whereby grants of up to £1,000 are available every year for all female Newport residents over the age of 18 to provide economic assistance for their educational or personal development. This has been advertised in the Argus annually - usually coinciding with the beginning of each financial year (i.e. March/April). This financial help is available through application to a board which decides whether or not the applicant is deserving of the money. However, there is a strict rule that you have to be female to be eligible for this financial assistance as it is available to women-only - sorry guys! Katie Re-Registered

2:01pm Tue 31 Dec 13

BassalegCountyFan says...

Congratulations to Rosemary, a committed local politician and an excellent Presiding Officer.
Congratulations to Rosemary, a committed local politician and an excellent Presiding Officer. BassalegCountyFan

2:09pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Crossbenchtory says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
One thing that Rosemary Butler does do for the people of Newport is provide a bursary run through the Newport Women's Forum whereby grants of up to £1,000 are available every year for all female Newport residents over the age of 18 to provide economic assistance for their educational or personal development. This has been advertised in the Argus annually - usually coinciding with the beginning of each financial year (i.e. March/April). This financial help is available through application to a board which decides whether or not the applicant is deserving of the money. However, there is a strict rule that you have to be female to be eligible for this financial assistance as it is available to women-only - sorry guys!
So it is, in fact, a bursary based on sexual discrimination! I thought we, as a Nation (The UK), were striving to rid ourselves of things like discriminating against people on the basis of their gender. This woman should be immediately stripped of her Royal Honour and brought to task for encouraging this disgraceful and discriminatory type of behaviour.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: One thing that Rosemary Butler does do for the people of Newport is provide a bursary run through the Newport Women's Forum whereby grants of up to £1,000 are available every year for all female Newport residents over the age of 18 to provide economic assistance for their educational or personal development. This has been advertised in the Argus annually - usually coinciding with the beginning of each financial year (i.e. March/April). This financial help is available through application to a board which decides whether or not the applicant is deserving of the money. However, there is a strict rule that you have to be female to be eligible for this financial assistance as it is available to women-only - sorry guys![/p][/quote]So it is, in fact, a bursary based on sexual discrimination! I thought we, as a Nation (The UK), were striving to rid ourselves of things like discriminating against people on the basis of their gender. This woman should be immediately stripped of her Royal Honour and brought to task for encouraging this disgraceful and discriminatory type of behaviour. Crossbenchtory

2:37pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Since the Queen is prepared to honour socialists, I wonder if Karl Marx were alive today would she bestow the title Sir Karl Marx on him: bit of an ideological contradiction there?! If socialists are prepared to take honours from royals, yet still identify as socialists and see this as compatible with their political beliefs then I guess the next question is: what is socialism? Does it necessarily reject the authenticity of landed wealth and position, or can two - seemingly polar opposite political philosophies - peacefully co-exist within the one, same exponent? I mean, Paul Flynn identifies as a republican but if he were to accept an honour from a monarch would this destroy his authenticity as a republican?
Since the Queen is prepared to honour socialists, I wonder if Karl Marx were alive today would she bestow the title Sir Karl Marx on him: bit of an ideological contradiction there?! If socialists are prepared to take honours from royals, yet still identify as socialists and see this as compatible with their political beliefs then I guess the next question is: what is socialism? Does it necessarily reject the authenticity of landed wealth and position, or can two - seemingly polar opposite political philosophies - peacefully co-exist within the one, same exponent? I mean, Paul Flynn identifies as a republican but if he were to accept an honour from a monarch would this destroy his authenticity as a republican? Katie Re-Registered

2:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
Katie Re-Registered wrote:
One thing that Rosemary Butler does do for the people of Newport is provide a bursary run through the Newport Women's Forum whereby grants of up to £1,000 are available every year for all female Newport residents over the age of 18 to provide economic assistance for their educational or personal development. This has been advertised in the Argus annually - usually coinciding with the beginning of each financial year (i.e. March/April). This financial help is available through application to a board which decides whether or not the applicant is deserving of the money. However, there is a strict rule that you have to be female to be eligible for this financial assistance as it is available to women-only - sorry guys!
So it is, in fact, a bursary based on sexual discrimination! I thought we, as a Nation (The UK), were striving to rid ourselves of things like discriminating against people on the basis of their gender. This woman should be immediately stripped of her Royal Honour and brought to task for encouraging this disgraceful and discriminatory type of behaviour.
Hmmm...yes, I think you raise an interesting point here: unless it's done through a registered charity, I think the awarding of financial help and bursaries by a minister, ministers or government bodies to one sex only might actually constitute a clear breach of the Sex Discrimination Act here. So too, the advertising of such through newspapers and other media.

There is a similar legal precedent. If I remember British and EU sex discrimination legislation correctly, unless, for instance, a job vacancy for one sex only is covered by a Genuine Occupational Qualification under section 2b of the 1975 Sex Discrimination Act then it is illegal. Furthermore, it is not only the prospective employers who are advertising the vacancy who have breached the provisions of the Act, but the editor/s of the publication/s in which it is advertised are also liable. I assume bursaries and grants of money to one sex only via non-charitable organisations would also be ruled similarly illegal.
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: One thing that Rosemary Butler does do for the people of Newport is provide a bursary run through the Newport Women's Forum whereby grants of up to £1,000 are available every year for all female Newport residents over the age of 18 to provide economic assistance for their educational or personal development. This has been advertised in the Argus annually - usually coinciding with the beginning of each financial year (i.e. March/April). This financial help is available through application to a board which decides whether or not the applicant is deserving of the money. However, there is a strict rule that you have to be female to be eligible for this financial assistance as it is available to women-only - sorry guys![/p][/quote]So it is, in fact, a bursary based on sexual discrimination! I thought we, as a Nation (The UK), were striving to rid ourselves of things like discriminating against people on the basis of their gender. This woman should be immediately stripped of her Royal Honour and brought to task for encouraging this disgraceful and discriminatory type of behaviour.[/p][/quote]Hmmm...yes, I think you raise an interesting point here: unless it's done through a registered charity, I think the awarding of financial help and bursaries by a minister, ministers or government bodies to one sex only might actually constitute a clear breach of the Sex Discrimination Act here. So too, the advertising of such through newspapers and other media. There is a similar legal precedent. If I remember British and EU sex discrimination legislation correctly, unless, for instance, a job vacancy for one sex only is covered by a Genuine Occupational Qualification under section 2b of the 1975 Sex Discrimination Act then it is illegal. Furthermore, it is not only the prospective employers who are advertising the vacancy who have breached the provisions of the Act, but the editor/s of the publication/s in which it is advertised are also liable. I assume bursaries and grants of money to one sex only via non-charitable organisations would also be ruled similarly illegal. Katie Re-Registered

2:53pm Tue 31 Dec 13

thomas35 says...

Good to see Rosemary looking so well on the perks .. a good advert for the cycle path!!
Good to see Rosemary looking so well on the perks .. a good advert for the cycle path!! thomas35

3:02pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

Moreover, if the money for the fund comes from public money (i.e. that to which the entire adult population irrespective of sex and gender) pays in taxes, then this might also contravene the political principle of 'no taxation without representation' - one of the very, central issues that caused the Crown's North American colonies to reject, revolt and throw out the British monarchy during 1775 to 1783. I guess though, whilst our cousins across the pond become up-in-arms (quite literally!) about such a concept, we Brits are a far more, docile, 'we know our place' kind of breed more accepting of deference, nepotism and our lot in life than the more meritocratic inclined citizens of the USA?! So such a concept of just having the money we earn taken by us for use by our 'social betters' is not such an alien concept to us, perhaps?
Moreover, if the money for the fund comes from public money (i.e. that to which the entire adult population irrespective of sex and gender) pays in taxes, then this might also contravene the political principle of 'no taxation without representation' - one of the very, central issues that caused the Crown's North American colonies to reject, revolt and throw out the British monarchy during 1775 to 1783. I guess though, whilst our cousins across the pond become up-in-arms (quite literally!) about such a concept, we Brits are a far more, docile, 'we know our place' kind of breed more accepting of deference, nepotism and our lot in life than the more meritocratic inclined citizens of the USA?! So such a concept of just having the money we earn taken by us for use by our 'social betters' is not such an alien concept to us, perhaps? Katie Re-Registered

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