Teen pair plead guilty to 'heinous' drink and drug-fuelled attack which led to Newport man losing an eye

South Wales Argus: ADMITTED PUNCH: Jay Connor Lloyd of Rogerstone leaves Newport Magistrates Court ADMITTED PUNCH: Jay Connor Lloyd of Rogerstone leaves Newport Magistrates Court

TWO teenagers admitted carrying out a “heinous” unprovoked, drink and drug-fuelled attack on a Newport dad which caused him to lose an eye.

Jay Connor Lloyd, 18, of Cedar Wood Drive, Rogerstone, pleaded guilty to wounding or inflicting grievous bodily harm without intent at Newport Magistrates’ Court.

A second boy, 15, who cannot be named, pleaded guilty to one count of common assault at Cwmbran Youth Court.

Christopher Collins, 54, had to undergo surgery to have his eye removed and metal plates fitted in his face after the attack on Stow Hill in the early hours of New Year’s Day.

The court heard that Mr Collins had been at Baneswell Social Club with his wife and other family members. When their taxi arrived, it was not big enough so Mr Collins decided to walk home. He told police as he walked up Stow Hill he could see a group of five males standing outside the shop near the cathedral.

As he walked past, the 15-year-old said to him: “Oi, you bumped into me.” Mr Collins apologised and carried on walking, when he heard someone running up behind him. The boy again said: “You bumped into me, you can’t just walk away” and pushed him to the floor.

He told police he got up and started walking away again, but suddenly felt a “tremendous pain” on the right side of his face.

The court heard that Lloyd had run up behind him and punched him hard in the side of the face.

A passing car stopped and Mr Collins was taken to the Royal Gwent Hospital.

On January 7 he had an operation to insert metal plates into his face. A few days later his eye was removed and replaced with a prosthetic one.

The court heard Lloyd had consumed 15 cans of Stella, vodka, lager and cocaine beforehand while the 15-year-old had drunk seven bottles of lager, taken cocaine and had a few spliffs. After the attack they left Mr Collins and went to a party in Pill.

Lloyd told police he had seen Mr Collins grappling with his friend, which was why he punched him. He told them he did not think about Mr Collins after the attack because he “did not think he was seriously hurt”.

He said it was when a friend showed him a Facebook post about the attack that he realised the seriousness of what he had done. On January 8 he went to a police station and handed himself in.

Andrew Costley, defending, said Lloyd was “extremely remorseful” and wanted to “be a man and accept what he has done”.

District judge Martin Brown said: “Words fail me. I do not have the power to sentence you for this heinous act. This man was alone, he was not looking for trouble. I do not doubt for one moment you realised you had caused this sort of injury. But you are a violent young man.”

He committed the case to Newport Crown Court for sentencing on February 21. Lloyd is subject to conditional bail, including a curfew.

The 15-year-old was given a six-month referral order. He told the court: “I’m sorry about what happened. If I could put it back and change what happened I would.”

He will have to sign a contract and attend activities as part of his referral order. The bench also imposed a £100 fine and £15 surcharge.

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9:03am Wed 29 Jan 14

jimmysmith says...

feral scum like this should be locked away for years
feral scum like this should be locked away for years jimmysmith
  • Score: 71

9:37am Wed 29 Jan 14

dinnerlady52 says...

Drink and drugs used as an excuse again , if I had drunk what they say they had I would be in no fit state to fight any one . Its people like this that gives Newport a bad name which we can do without. What was a 15yr old doing out in the early hours of the morning anyway, regardless of it being New Year hold his parents partly responsible for allowing a minor to be out and in the condition he was in . I see they weren't too drunk or drugged up to make their way to carry on the party . An innocent man has been left blinded by this which will alter the whole of his and his families life. So please no more slap on the wrists and don't do it again you naughty boys , they have to be punished for this .
Drink and drugs used as an excuse again , if I had drunk what they say they had I would be in no fit state to fight any one . Its people like this that gives Newport a bad name which we can do without. What was a 15yr old doing out in the early hours of the morning anyway, regardless of it being New Year hold his parents partly responsible for allowing a minor to be out and in the condition he was in . I see they weren't too drunk or drugged up to make their way to carry on the party . An innocent man has been left blinded by this which will alter the whole of his and his families life. So please no more slap on the wrists and don't do it again you naughty boys , they have to be punished for this . dinnerlady52
  • Score: 91

10:00am Wed 29 Jan 14

arjwain says...

this is why this country is in ruins .
this act many years ago would have been a prison sentence...
with our prisons full they are now just a telling off .
even knife crimes and aggravated burglary are treated with a softly softly suspended sentences handed out .
he lost an eye these boys should be in prison how else are your going to teach others right from wrong .
this is why this country is in ruins . this act many years ago would have been a prison sentence... with our prisons full they are now just a telling off . even knife crimes and aggravated burglary are treated with a softly softly suspended sentences handed out . he lost an eye these boys should be in prison how else are your going to teach others right from wrong . arjwain
  • Score: 67

10:02am Wed 29 Jan 14

welshflinty says...

But nothing will ever happen luv.My little post above will give me a warning from the Argus while that waster is getting off with this sickening crime.Shud spend the rest of his life in jail.
But nothing will ever happen luv.My little post above will give me a warning from the Argus while that waster is getting off with this sickening crime.Shud spend the rest of his life in jail. welshflinty
  • Score: 38

10:05am Wed 29 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS.
It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too.
But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?
Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS. It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too. But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea? Dai Rear
  • Score: 36

10:54am Wed 29 Jan 14

ncfcr says...

I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well.

I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release.

It is surely a no-brainer.
I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well. I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release. It is surely a no-brainer. ncfcr
  • Score: 50

11:06am Wed 29 Jan 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

I do hope Mr Lloyd has a custodial sentence - at least he'll be on the receiving end of a few thug bullys in there. As for the 15 year old who started the incident, I know parenting of teenagers isn't always straightforward but this needs investigating as to whether the parents have done their best with this lad.
I do hope Mr Lloyd has a custodial sentence - at least he'll be on the receiving end of a few thug bullys in there. As for the 15 year old who started the incident, I know parenting of teenagers isn't always straightforward but this needs investigating as to whether the parents have done their best with this lad. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 35

11:12am Wed 29 Jan 14

Dolieboy says...

ncfcr wrote:
I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well.

I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release.

It is surely a no-brainer.
Build more prisons by all means and introduce harsher sentences. Facts have shown that a high number of offenders reoffend. Many have poor social backgrounds, broken homes, learning difficulties, drugs etc. Introduce American type sentences and make prisons profitable. Install treadmills for the inmates to generate electricity which can go back into the national grid - green energy and the taxpayer is getting something. Could also use the inmates to go on work details.
[quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well. I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release. It is surely a no-brainer.[/p][/quote]Build more prisons by all means and introduce harsher sentences. Facts have shown that a high number of offenders reoffend. Many have poor social backgrounds, broken homes, learning difficulties, drugs etc. Introduce American type sentences and make prisons profitable. Install treadmills for the inmates to generate electricity which can go back into the national grid - green energy and the taxpayer is getting something. Could also use the inmates to go on work details. Dolieboy
  • Score: 30

12:18pm Wed 29 Jan 14

SuperTonic7th says...

Dolieboy: Treadmills! I love it. Has this been done anywhere else?
Dolieboy: Treadmills! I love it. Has this been done anywhere else? SuperTonic7th
  • Score: 4

12:30pm Wed 29 Jan 14

helper7 says...

These are just the sort of younsters that will get all the help. Many young people's centers are helping sum like this while the many younsters who have been a credit to the community and have done nothing wrong cant get employment because our labour concils are giving priority to troubled backgrond people.
These are just the sort of younsters that will get all the help. Many young people's centers are helping sum like this while the many younsters who have been a credit to the community and have done nothing wrong cant get employment because our labour concils are giving priority to troubled backgrond people. helper7
  • Score: 24

1:10pm Wed 29 Jan 14

jimmysmith says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS.
It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too.
But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?
good post dai .i agree with you whole heartedly
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS. It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too. But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?[/p][/quote]good post dai .i agree with you whole heartedly jimmysmith
  • Score: 6

1:27pm Wed 29 Jan 14

welshmen says...

Crime & Justice also Immigration, have a look, see if you don't agree....www.bnp.org
.uk (under policies)
Crime & Justice also Immigration, have a look, see if you don't agree....www.bnp.org .uk (under policies) welshmen
  • Score: -9

1:40pm Wed 29 Jan 14

ALou0712 says...

There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in.
There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known.
He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.
There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in. There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known. He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say. ALou0712
  • Score: -51

2:25pm Wed 29 Jan 14

womansview says...

ALou0712 wrote:
There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in.
There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known.
He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.
@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]ALou0712[/bold] wrote: There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in. There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known. He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.[/p][/quote]@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!! womansview
  • Score: 68

2:43pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Captain Tripps says...

They should be flogged and serve long sentences . This man's life has changed dramatically because of these vile scum . The only reason they handed themselves in was because it was inevitable they would get caught . We need to get tough on this sort of crime and come away from these Leftie Liberal ' punishments ' that are being handed down through the courts . They have failed and taught us nothing .
They should be flogged and serve long sentences . This man's life has changed dramatically because of these vile scum . The only reason they handed themselves in was because it was inevitable they would get caught . We need to get tough on this sort of crime and come away from these Leftie Liberal ' punishments ' that are being handed down through the courts . They have failed and taught us nothing . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 25

3:41pm Wed 29 Jan 14

CynicalAndJaded says...

Yet another story of an innocent individual pounced upon by a drunken gang. Many of us used to drink a lot as young men but never felt the urge to attack strangers as a group, so why is their apparent alcohol and drug consumption put forward as an excuse? If anything, this should lead to an increased sentence. These boys are lucky they live in such a lenient society. In certain other parts of the world, they would be flogged and have their eye removed, as well as being imprisoned.
I'm not advocating this type of punishment but, until courts toughen up on punishments for this type of unprovoked attack, we will sadly have to carry on reading about such cases.
My best wishes and sympathy go out to Mr Collins. What a cruel way to start a new year.
Yet another story of an innocent individual pounced upon by a drunken gang. Many of us used to drink a lot as young men but never felt the urge to attack strangers as a group, so why is their apparent alcohol and drug consumption put forward as an excuse? If anything, this should lead to an increased sentence. These boys are lucky they live in such a lenient society. In certain other parts of the world, they would be flogged and have their eye removed, as well as being imprisoned. I'm not advocating this type of punishment but, until courts toughen up on punishments for this type of unprovoked attack, we will sadly have to carry on reading about such cases. My best wishes and sympathy go out to Mr Collins. What a cruel way to start a new year. CynicalAndJaded
  • Score: 20

3:43pm Wed 29 Jan 14

countyjim says...

What a vile act but in fairness the lad handed himself in otherwise he may have never been caught

Still needs to be send down in my opinion
What a vile act but in fairness the lad handed himself in otherwise he may have never been caught Still needs to be send down in my opinion countyjim
  • Score: 4

3:53pm Wed 29 Jan 14

ALou0712 says...

womansview wrote:
ALou0712 wrote:
There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in.
There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known.
He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.
@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!!
I find it refreshing and will not back down and can justify myself by the fact as it has been brought up, that a loved one has been in a very similar situation which has had implications on many lives . So yes, I have every sympathy for Mr Collins and his family and friends. And if I wasn't clear on that point, or the fact I think this is an awful crime then I will apologise for that.
I was simply stating that making assumptions on their up bringing is unfair and unfounded. I don't think anyone who has commented has the authority or means to run a background check to justify blaming their upbringing or know anything about their past.
The boys are not saints by any means and drug use is a huge problem in society but many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people. I know a few police officers, nurses, even a teacher and a solicitor who were drug users in their past. Unfortunately in our society it is as common as underage drinking in the park was in my youth. I'm not saying it's right but it is a part/a problem our youth face in today's society.
My main point of my comment was to point out that it is not fair to jump on the bandwagon and blame upbringings and say it is a reason to bring back hanging. No punishment is ever going to be enough in our judicial system. The 15 year old has got off quite lightly but the older one has yet to be sentenced which implies it will be custodial. And it is quite refreshing that a teenager would walk in to a police station an own up almost certainly knowing that they would be going to prison.
[quote][p][bold]womansview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ALou0712[/bold] wrote: There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in. There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known. He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.[/p][/quote]@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I find it refreshing and will not back down and can justify myself by the fact as it has been brought up, that a loved one has been in a very similar situation which has had implications on many lives . So yes, I have every sympathy for Mr Collins and his family and friends. And if I wasn't clear on that point, or the fact I think this is an awful crime then I will apologise for that. I was simply stating that making assumptions on their up bringing is unfair and unfounded. I don't think anyone who has commented has the authority or means to run a background check to justify blaming their upbringing or know anything about their past. The boys are not saints by any means and drug use is a huge problem in society but many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people. I know a few police officers, nurses, even a teacher and a solicitor who were drug users in their past. Unfortunately in our society it is as common as underage drinking in the park was in my youth. I'm not saying it's right but it is a part/a problem our youth face in today's society. My main point of my comment was to point out that it is not fair to jump on the bandwagon and blame upbringings and say it is a reason to bring back hanging. No punishment is ever going to be enough in our judicial system. The 15 year old has got off quite lightly but the older one has yet to be sentenced which implies it will be custodial. And it is quite refreshing that a teenager would walk in to a police station an own up almost certainly knowing that they would be going to prison. ALou0712
  • Score: -30

4:01pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Captain Tripps says...

ALou0712 wrote:
womansview wrote:
ALou0712 wrote:
There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in.
There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known.
He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.
@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!!
I find it refreshing and will not back down and can justify myself by the fact as it has been brought up, that a loved one has been in a very similar situation which has had implications on many lives . So yes, I have every sympathy for Mr Collins and his family and friends. And if I wasn't clear on that point, or the fact I think this is an awful crime then I will apologise for that.
I was simply stating that making assumptions on their up bringing is unfair and unfounded. I don't think anyone who has commented has the authority or means to run a background check to justify blaming their upbringing or know anything about their past.
The boys are not saints by any means and drug use is a huge problem in society but many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people. I know a few police officers, nurses, even a teacher and a solicitor who were drug users in their past. Unfortunately in our society it is as common as underage drinking in the park was in my youth. I'm not saying it's right but it is a part/a problem our youth face in today's society.
My main point of my comment was to point out that it is not fair to jump on the bandwagon and blame upbringings and say it is a reason to bring back hanging. No punishment is ever going to be enough in our judicial system. The 15 year old has got off quite lightly but the older one has yet to be sentenced which implies it will be custodial. And it is quite refreshing that a teenager would walk in to a police station an own up almost certainly knowing that they would be going to prison.
There is nothing refreshing about handing himself into the Police . He did it because details of his despicable crime were posted on Facebook making his capture inevitable . I'd have him and his accomplice flogged and post that on the site . Vile nasty scum .
[quote][p][bold]ALou0712[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]womansview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ALou0712[/bold] wrote: There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in. There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known. He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.[/p][/quote]@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I find it refreshing and will not back down and can justify myself by the fact as it has been brought up, that a loved one has been in a very similar situation which has had implications on many lives . So yes, I have every sympathy for Mr Collins and his family and friends. And if I wasn't clear on that point, or the fact I think this is an awful crime then I will apologise for that. I was simply stating that making assumptions on their up bringing is unfair and unfounded. I don't think anyone who has commented has the authority or means to run a background check to justify blaming their upbringing or know anything about their past. The boys are not saints by any means and drug use is a huge problem in society but many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people. I know a few police officers, nurses, even a teacher and a solicitor who were drug users in their past. Unfortunately in our society it is as common as underage drinking in the park was in my youth. I'm not saying it's right but it is a part/a problem our youth face in today's society. My main point of my comment was to point out that it is not fair to jump on the bandwagon and blame upbringings and say it is a reason to bring back hanging. No punishment is ever going to be enough in our judicial system. The 15 year old has got off quite lightly but the older one has yet to be sentenced which implies it will be custodial. And it is quite refreshing that a teenager would walk in to a police station an own up almost certainly knowing that they would be going to prison.[/p][/quote]There is nothing refreshing about handing himself into the Police . He did it because details of his despicable crime were posted on Facebook making his capture inevitable . I'd have him and his accomplice flogged and post that on the site . Vile nasty scum . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 37

4:17pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Floppy backed says...

I am so shocked to read a 15yr old was out on a New Years Eve drinking and taking drugs....why was he not in with his parents being supervised??? Its all very well constantly blaming the children and punishing them but is it not a fact that they are just a reflection of the terrible parenting going on in this country - there are no excuses its up to parents to brain wash children into right and wrong and not to be so weak as to' follow the leader'.

Family values are seriously breaking down and I would love to see judges putting the parents on trail, getting some photo published, and putting them on some kind 'stikes' system. Perhaps parents seeing that they can be fined and vindicated for crimes may kick them into touch that it is their responsibility to look after their children.
I am so shocked to read a 15yr old was out on a New Years Eve drinking and taking drugs....why was he not in with his parents being supervised??? Its all very well constantly blaming the children and punishing them but is it not a fact that they are just a reflection of the terrible parenting going on in this country - there are no excuses its up to parents to brain wash children into right and wrong and not to be so weak as to' follow the leader'. Family values are seriously breaking down and I would love to see judges putting the parents on trail, getting some photo published, and putting them on some kind 'stikes' system. Perhaps parents seeing that they can be fined and vindicated for crimes may kick them into touch that it is their responsibility to look after their children. Floppy backed
  • Score: 19

4:33pm Wed 29 Jan 14

womansview says...

Well said Captain Tripps, we have too many do gooders in today’s society who take a soft approach on such disgusting behaviour and give praise when people admit to their ghastly crimes. Had it not been for face book he would have admitted to nothing and gone along his merry way. I for one am glad the Argus has named and shamed him, and I hope he has a lengthy custodial sentence to reflect the severity of what he has done to Mr Collins.
Well said Captain Tripps, we have too many do gooders in today’s society who take a soft approach on such disgusting behaviour and give praise when people admit to their ghastly crimes. Had it not been for face book he would have admitted to nothing and gone along his merry way. I for one am glad the Argus has named and shamed him, and I hope he has a lengthy custodial sentence to reflect the severity of what he has done to Mr Collins. womansview
  • Score: 35

4:55pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Newport Spark says...

Dolieboy wrote:
ncfcr wrote:
I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well.

I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release.

It is surely a no-brainer.
Build more prisons by all means and introduce harsher sentences. Facts have shown that a high number of offenders reoffend. Many have poor social backgrounds, broken homes, learning difficulties, drugs etc. Introduce American type sentences and make prisons profitable. Install treadmills for the inmates to generate electricity which can go back into the national grid - green energy and the taxpayer is getting something. Could also use the inmates to go on work details.
Poor social backgrounds?Broken homes?Learning difficulties?Drugs?
Are any of these reasons for hitting someone so brutally they lose an eye? It these excuses that feed this kind of behaviour.Excuses it even.Soppy liberal thinking like this has ruined our nation.Right is right and wrong is wrong.Some things don't need to be teached.If you think this sort of behaviour is normal then you shouldn't be on the streets as your a danger to all of us.
[quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well. I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release. It is surely a no-brainer.[/p][/quote]Build more prisons by all means and introduce harsher sentences. Facts have shown that a high number of offenders reoffend. Many have poor social backgrounds, broken homes, learning difficulties, drugs etc. Introduce American type sentences and make prisons profitable. Install treadmills for the inmates to generate electricity which can go back into the national grid - green energy and the taxpayer is getting something. Could also use the inmates to go on work details.[/p][/quote]Poor social backgrounds?Broken homes?Learning difficulties?Drugs? Are any of these reasons for hitting someone so brutally they lose an eye? It these excuses that feed this kind of behaviour.Excuses it even.Soppy liberal thinking like this has ruined our nation.Right is right and wrong is wrong.Some things don't need to be teached.If you think this sort of behaviour is normal then you shouldn't be on the streets as your a danger to all of us. Newport Spark
  • Score: 21

6:41pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Ysbrid y Werin says...

Mr Collins is a kind, responsible and likeable man with a fine sense of fun. He is a dedicated family man and would treat anybody unfairly. He was viciously attacked and left blinded by thugs. How can kids of that age think it is ok to do that kind of thing to anyone regardless of what kind of upbringing they may or may not have had?
As for turning themselves in and owning up, forgive me for sounding cynical, but this sounds like noting more than preempting their capture, which was inevitable. With regard to pleading guilty, well, I think we all know that if they had not, then it would have been referred straight on to the Crown Court, which would have had far more serious implications for them both.
It's very noble to say that it was a good thing that these lads did in owning up, but I would very much doubt the integrity of any person that could do what they did in the first place.
None of this will give Mr Collins back his sight, or confidence, or stop his family from thinking if only we had waited for the right taxi, or all walked together, or not gone out, etc, etc, etc.
So six months and £115 pounds - justice has not been served here, that is for sure.
Mr Collins is a kind, responsible and likeable man with a fine sense of fun. He is a dedicated family man and would treat anybody unfairly. He was viciously attacked and left blinded by thugs. How can kids of that age think it is ok to do that kind of thing to anyone regardless of what kind of upbringing they may or may not have had? As for turning themselves in and owning up, forgive me for sounding cynical, but this sounds like noting more than preempting their capture, which was inevitable. With regard to pleading guilty, well, I think we all know that if they had not, then it would have been referred straight on to the Crown Court, which would have had far more serious implications for them both. It's very noble to say that it was a good thing that these lads did in owning up, but I would very much doubt the integrity of any person that could do what they did in the first place. None of this will give Mr Collins back his sight, or confidence, or stop his family from thinking if only we had waited for the right taxi, or all walked together, or not gone out, etc, etc, etc. So six months and £115 pounds - justice has not been served here, that is for sure. Ysbrid y Werin
  • Score: 31

6:59pm Wed 29 Jan 14

from newport says...

ALou0712 wrote:
womansview wrote:
ALou0712 wrote:
There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in.
There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known.
He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.
@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!!
I find it refreshing and will not back down and can justify myself by the fact as it has been brought up, that a loved one has been in a very similar situation which has had implications on many lives . So yes, I have every sympathy for Mr Collins and his family and friends. And if I wasn't clear on that point, or the fact I think this is an awful crime then I will apologise for that.
I was simply stating that making assumptions on their up bringing is unfair and unfounded. I don't think anyone who has commented has the authority or means to run a background check to justify blaming their upbringing or know anything about their past.
The boys are not saints by any means and drug use is a huge problem in society but many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people. I know a few police officers, nurses, even a teacher and a solicitor who were drug users in their past. Unfortunately in our society it is as common as underage drinking in the park was in my youth. I'm not saying it's right but it is a part/a problem our youth face in today's society.
My main point of my comment was to point out that it is not fair to jump on the bandwagon and blame upbringings and say it is a reason to bring back hanging. No punishment is ever going to be enough in our judicial system. The 15 year old has got off quite lightly but the older one has yet to be sentenced which implies it will be custodial. And it is quite refreshing that a teenager would walk in to a police station an own up almost certainly knowing that they would be going to prison.
no one here has mentioned ex drug users, cannot go on to be valued members of the community, just simply stating that what these boys done was vile!! What on earth possesses some one to beat a man so badly that he needs facial reconstruction and a prosthetic eye. I would like to think terrible remorse would of lead him to hand himself in but I VERY much doubt it, more like post above he knew he was on borrowed time. His wife was also present whilst this attack took place what about the effects on her !! This mans life has been altered forever,, can he work ,, can he drive, the long term effects are still unknown . its a very callous act to carry out a crime of such nature and be able to go on to a party !!! Is this boy personally known to you as I cant think of any other reason you would defend such a violent act !!!
[quote][p][bold]ALou0712[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]womansview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ALou0712[/bold] wrote: There are a few sides to this, the victim, the attacker, the police and the press. The lad knows what he did was wrong and actually handed himself in. There is no question that this was a serious assult and the victim has life altering implications. The lad is obviously more than aware of this and has handed himself in to take the consequences of his actions. I hardly think everyone jumping on the bandwagon of hanging being brought back and blaming his upbringing is necessary when the facts and background are not known. He handed himself in, has accepted responsibility and wants to pay for his actions. Quite refreshing i would say.[/p][/quote]@ALou0712 - Lets see how refreshing you would find it if you or a loved one was vicously attacked (unprovoked at that) and ended up with a metal plate in your face and losing an eye. Lets not forget that these boys are not saints they were high on drugs and have changed this mans life forever! Get a grip you fool!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]I find it refreshing and will not back down and can justify myself by the fact as it has been brought up, that a loved one has been in a very similar situation which has had implications on many lives . So yes, I have every sympathy for Mr Collins and his family and friends. And if I wasn't clear on that point, or the fact I think this is an awful crime then I will apologise for that. I was simply stating that making assumptions on their up bringing is unfair and unfounded. I don't think anyone who has commented has the authority or means to run a background check to justify blaming their upbringing or know anything about their past. The boys are not saints by any means and drug use is a huge problem in society but many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people. I know a few police officers, nurses, even a teacher and a solicitor who were drug users in their past. Unfortunately in our society it is as common as underage drinking in the park was in my youth. I'm not saying it's right but it is a part/a problem our youth face in today's society. My main point of my comment was to point out that it is not fair to jump on the bandwagon and blame upbringings and say it is a reason to bring back hanging. No punishment is ever going to be enough in our judicial system. The 15 year old has got off quite lightly but the older one has yet to be sentenced which implies it will be custodial. And it is quite refreshing that a teenager would walk in to a police station an own up almost certainly knowing that they would be going to prison.[/p][/quote]no one here has mentioned ex drug users, cannot go on to be valued members of the community, just simply stating that what these boys done was vile!! What on earth possesses some one to beat a man so badly that he needs facial reconstruction and a prosthetic eye. I would like to think terrible remorse would of lead him to hand himself in but I VERY much doubt it, more like post above he knew he was on borrowed time. His wife was also present whilst this attack took place what about the effects on her !! This mans life has been altered forever,, can he work ,, can he drive, the long term effects are still unknown . its a very callous act to carry out a crime of such nature and be able to go on to a party !!! Is this boy personally known to you as I cant think of any other reason you would defend such a violent act !!! from newport
  • Score: 14

7:54pm Wed 29 Jan 14

Limestonecowboy says...

Someone posted "many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people..." wondered how long the use of drugs would be defended. Just remember the killers of Aamir Siddiqi were both high on drugs.
Someone posted "many ex drug users have gone on to become decent people..." wondered how long the use of drugs would be defended. Just remember the killers of Aamir Siddiqi were both high on drugs. Limestonecowboy
  • Score: 7

7:35am Thu 30 Jan 14

regaturn says...

It's a pity this low life did not pick on the guy from Abergavenny, the result would have been very different.
It's a pity this low life did not pick on the guy from Abergavenny, the result would have been very different. regaturn
  • Score: 11

1:28pm Thu 30 Jan 14

ollie72 says...

SuperTonic7th wrote:
Dolieboy: Treadmills! I love it. Has this been done anywhere else?
The only problem with putting them on treadmills is that they're fitter when they get out - harder to catch!
[quote][p][bold]SuperTonic7th[/bold] wrote: Dolieboy: Treadmills! I love it. Has this been done anywhere else?[/p][/quote]The only problem with putting them on treadmills is that they're fitter when they get out - harder to catch! ollie72
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

ollie72 says...

What has happened to the St Woolos area? I was raised around there (top end of Baneswell), and while the place was sometimes rough, it was never this bad.

Now we have York Place being turned in to some kind of dumping ground for the worst in society, and a bunch of kids attacking random strangers near the shops.

As a teen, me and my mates hung around by the church gates there, and there were occasional scuffles amongst us, but we would never have attacked a stranger - how does punching someone from behind make you "hard"?

How do we fix this?
What has happened to the St Woolos area? I was raised around there (top end of Baneswell), and while the place was sometimes rough, it was never this bad. Now we have York Place being turned in to some kind of dumping ground for the worst in society, and a bunch of kids attacking random strangers near the shops. As a teen, me and my mates hung around by the church gates there, and there were occasional scuffles amongst us, but we would never have attacked a stranger - how does punching someone from behind make you "hard"? How do we fix this? ollie72
  • Score: 15

2:34pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

There’s no doubt in my mind that these guys will probably be helped more than good youngsters that have kept their noses clean, Despite their punishment all too often councils favour kids that have been in trouble over good honest people. Priority especially in manual jobs is often given to those who have been in trouble Labour call this social responsibility and that’s fine in some cases but its time we started looking after the good guys who have done nothing wrong and cant get employment they should be the priority.
There’s no doubt in my mind that these guys will probably be helped more than good youngsters that have kept their noses clean, Despite their punishment all too often councils favour kids that have been in trouble over good honest people. Priority especially in manual jobs is often given to those who have been in trouble Labour call this social responsibility and that’s fine in some cases but its time we started looking after the good guys who have done nothing wrong and cant get employment they should be the priority. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

johnrichards1 says...

It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause
It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause johnrichards1
  • Score: -20

3:20pm Thu 30 Jan 14

jimmysmith says...

johnrichards1 wrote:
It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause
what a load of tripe .believe every detail you say .the details i believe is this .those pairs of scroats waylaid an elderly defenceless man beat him senseless to the extent he lost an eye and is permanently maimed .secondly my friend ive never been an angel in my day BUT let me assure you this scum is nothing like me and as you say none of have a clue about theyre upbringing .Then you must do .are you a relative ? As for commenting on this article about this disgusting act of cowardice . As a resident of gwent and a ratepayer its my right to comment and i can also assure you im far from sad . as for him learning his lesson i personally hope he gets at least 5 yrears just to be doubly sure he does learn his lesson . im sure youl agree with me we have to be sure he doesnt do this again and next time possibly kill his next defenceless victim
[quote][p][bold]johnrichards1[/bold] wrote: It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause[/p][/quote]what a load of tripe .believe every detail you say .the details i believe is this .those pairs of scroats waylaid an elderly defenceless man beat him senseless to the extent he lost an eye and is permanently maimed .secondly my friend ive never been an angel in my day BUT let me assure you this scum is nothing like me and as you say none of have a clue about theyre upbringing .Then you must do .are you a relative ? As for commenting on this article about this disgusting act of cowardice . As a resident of gwent and a ratepayer its my right to comment and i can also assure you im far from sad . as for him learning his lesson i personally hope he gets at least 5 yrears just to be doubly sure he does learn his lesson . im sure youl agree with me we have to be sure he doesnt do this again and next time possibly kill his next defenceless victim jimmysmith
  • Score: 15

3:33pm Thu 30 Jan 14

womansview says...

johnrichards1 wrote:
It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause
Words fail me!!! If all the people who have commented on the article have nothing better to do with their lives what does that say about your pathetic rant. CLEARLY YOU ARE KNOWN TO THE FAMILY. Nobody with half a brain would defend such vile behaviour otherwise. "Probably already learnt his lesson" REALLY??? Mr Collins will have to live with this boys "mistake" for the rest of his life. I only hope johnrichards nothing like this ever happens to you or your immediate family as I am sure your opinion would be VERY different!!!!
[quote][p][bold]johnrichards1[/bold] wrote: It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause[/p][/quote]Words fail me!!! If all the people who have commented on the article have nothing better to do with their lives what does that say about your pathetic rant. CLEARLY YOU ARE KNOWN TO THE FAMILY. Nobody with half a brain would defend such vile behaviour otherwise. "Probably already learnt his lesson" REALLY??? Mr Collins will have to live with this boys "mistake" for the rest of his life. I only hope johnrichards nothing like this ever happens to you or your immediate family as I am sure your opinion would be VERY different!!!! womansview
  • Score: 20

3:49pm Thu 30 Jan 14

ollie72 says...

johnrichards1 wrote:
It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause
John Richards, the reason I have commented is that I am seeing cowardly scumbags like this ruining an area that I grew up in, and that these disgusting excuses for human beings are not being punished for what they did. The fact that you are trying to defend them sickens me.

This is not "an elderly man", this is a bloke in his fifties, with decades (hopefully!) to live with one eye and a metal plate in his face.

My mother and father both live within 2 streets of this attack, my father walks his dog past the cathedral every night - this could have been him.

As you are trying to defend these cowardly morons then you deserve to meet Mr Collins and look him in the remaining eye to defend these scumbags. I hope Mr Collins is reading these comments, and is as disgusted with you as I am.
[quote][p][bold]johnrichards1[/bold] wrote: It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause[/p][/quote]John Richards, the reason I have commented is that I am seeing cowardly scumbags like this ruining an area that I grew up in, and that these disgusting excuses for human beings are not being punished for what they did. The fact that you are trying to defend them sickens me. This is not "an elderly man", this is a bloke in his fifties, with decades (hopefully!) to live with one eye and a metal plate in his face. My mother and father both live within 2 streets of this attack, my father walks his dog past the cathedral every night - this could have been him. As you are trying to defend these cowardly morons then you deserve to meet Mr Collins and look him in the remaining eye to defend these scumbags. I hope Mr Collins is reading these comments, and is as disgusted with you as I am. ollie72
  • Score: 24

4:12pm Thu 30 Jan 14

from newport says...

Clearly this thug had nothing better to do that night!! So instead of spending time with his family and friends that had brought him up so well, carried out a vicious drug fueld attack on Mr Collins who had been enjoying his evening with his family and whose life will never be the same because of this boys 'mistake'
Clearly this thug had nothing better to do that night!! So instead of spending time with his family and friends that had brought him up so well, carried out a vicious drug fueld attack on Mr Collins who had been enjoying his evening with his family and whose life will never be the same because of this boys 'mistake' from newport
  • Score: 14

4:55pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Llanmartinangel says...

johnrichards1 wrote:
It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause
It's very clear to me that you aren't the one missing an eye with a plate holding your skull together. Ever thought of a life as a magistrate or judge? You'd fit in well with the vascillating pointless cowards that dispense 'justice' on the wastes of space.
[quote][p][bold]johnrichards1[/bold] wrote: It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause[/p][/quote]It's very clear to me that you aren't the one missing an eye with a plate holding your skull together. Ever thought of a life as a magistrate or judge? You'd fit in well with the vascillating pointless cowards that dispense 'justice' on the wastes of space. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 18

5:07pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause"
Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?
." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause" Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting? Dai Rear
  • Score: 6

7:51pm Thu 30 Jan 14

billieboy says...

ollie72 wrote:
What has happened to the St Woolos area? I was raised around there (top end of Baneswell), and while the place was sometimes rough, it was never this bad.

Now we have York Place being turned in to some kind of dumping ground for the worst in society, and a bunch of kids attacking random strangers near the shops.

As a teen, me and my mates hung around by the church gates there, and there were occasional scuffles amongst us, but we would never have attacked a stranger - how does punching someone from behind make you "hard"?

How do we fix this?
I fully agree. I just wonder what the local ward councilors Miqdad Al-Nuami and Kate Thomas are doing in relation to the continuing deterioration of this area.
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: What has happened to the St Woolos area? I was raised around there (top end of Baneswell), and while the place was sometimes rough, it was never this bad. Now we have York Place being turned in to some kind of dumping ground for the worst in society, and a bunch of kids attacking random strangers near the shops. As a teen, me and my mates hung around by the church gates there, and there were occasional scuffles amongst us, but we would never have attacked a stranger - how does punching someone from behind make you "hard"? How do we fix this?[/p][/quote]I fully agree. I just wonder what the local ward councilors Miqdad Al-Nuami and Kate Thomas are doing in relation to the continuing deterioration of this area. billieboy
  • Score: 4

8:28pm Thu 30 Jan 14

chelseaman42 says...

I live in Rogerstone only a few streets away from this thug, so he isn`t local to the area where he attacked his victim. This development isn`t exactly a slum yet the behaviour of some of the local teenagers is appalling.
They drive around the estate like lunatics, in relatively new hot hatchbacks that their middle-income parents have probably paid for with no regard for other road users or pedestrians safety.
My son and I were also threatened recently when a gang of these yobs started damaging cars in our street.
In this instance, a deprived upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with his cowardly attack. He is a middle-income yobbo and deserves a lengthy prison sentence!
I live in Rogerstone only a few streets away from this thug, so he isn`t local to the area where he attacked his victim. This development isn`t exactly a slum yet the behaviour of some of the local teenagers is appalling. They drive around the estate like lunatics, in relatively new hot hatchbacks that their middle-income parents have probably paid for with no regard for other road users or pedestrians safety. My son and I were also threatened recently when a gang of these yobs started damaging cars in our street. In this instance, a deprived upbringing has absolutely nothing to do with his cowardly attack. He is a middle-income yobbo and deserves a lengthy prison sentence! chelseaman42
  • Score: 18

10:17pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Newport has gone to the dogs says...

regaturn wrote:
It's a pity this low life did not pick on the guy from Abergavenny, the result would have been very different.
Sadly it would have ended the same it was done cowardly from behind and chris didn't stand a chance, chris is a fit middle aged man (not old as some have said) and if they had given him a fair fight (not that I'm condoning or implying chris would want to fight) the results may have been different.
[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: It's a pity this low life did not pick on the guy from Abergavenny, the result would have been very different.[/p][/quote]Sadly it would have ended the same it was done cowardly from behind and chris didn't stand a chance, chris is a fit middle aged man (not old as some have said) and if they had given him a fair fight (not that I'm condoning or implying chris would want to fight) the results may have been different. Newport has gone to the dogs
  • Score: 7

10:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Newport has gone to the dogs says...

johnrichards1 wrote:
It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause
People comment because it's called freedom of speech the only people who don't want this are people who have things to hide, then we have the idiots that post "don't you have anything better to do" which is A contradicting (look it up in a dictionary) and B trying to defend an un defendable action. I take it your related and from your wording a teenager or early 20's which is understandable you are trying to "help" your relative or friend.
There is a saying "when in hole stop digging" which I hope is what you will see sense and do. He will not have learnt his lesson he went on to a party and carried on his night, the only reason he's come forward is because a friend showed him on Facebook the posts that had been put out to find him I'm glad I was a part of this circulation and I hope it was the words " I hope the police find him before a member of his family do" that I put in my post that hit home to him because I'm sure the results in the latter would be more fitting to the crime. Another old saying an eye for an eye comes to mind. Yes he might be a normal person when he's not drunk and off his face but then a normal person wouldn't get in that state in the first place as they would have boundaries and will power so he is obviously of a weak mentality.
Up until this story I would have agreed with you the Argus will print anything to sell a paper (I know first hand) but EVERYONES recollection of the night all match and this is what has been printed and to say you must let justice take its course is quiet correct but don't forget the verdict may be correct but the punishment will I fear not be fitting for the crime.
[quote][p][bold]johnrichards1[/bold] wrote: It is very clear to me that most of you people have nothing better to do with your lives than to comment on other people's mistakes. And yes, I'm almost 100% positive that this teenager will see this as a tremendous mistake and he has most probably already learnt his lesson. If you stopped and actually thought logically for a second whilst writing your comments then maybe you would realize that this boy could actually be just like you... "A normal person" as you people probably see it. Regardless of the fact this was a heinous act, and also I have the deepest sympathy for Mr Collins and his family, the whole night for him was clearly a horrific experience and no elderly man should have to go through something like that... But at the end of the day, if you people are that naive to believe every little detail that's included in this article then I feel very sorry for you as you must lead a sad life. I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause[/p][/quote]People comment because it's called freedom of speech the only people who don't want this are people who have things to hide, then we have the idiots that post "don't you have anything better to do" which is A contradicting (look it up in a dictionary) and B trying to defend an un defendable action. I take it your related and from your wording a teenager or early 20's which is understandable you are trying to "help" your relative or friend. There is a saying "when in hole stop digging" which I hope is what you will see sense and do. He will not have learnt his lesson he went on to a party and carried on his night, the only reason he's come forward is because a friend showed him on Facebook the posts that had been put out to find him I'm glad I was a part of this circulation and I hope it was the words " I hope the police find him before a member of his family do" that I put in my post that hit home to him because I'm sure the results in the latter would be more fitting to the crime. Another old saying an eye for an eye comes to mind. Yes he might be a normal person when he's not drunk and off his face but then a normal person wouldn't get in that state in the first place as they would have boundaries and will power so he is obviously of a weak mentality. Up until this story I would have agreed with you the Argus will print anything to sell a paper (I know first hand) but EVERYONES recollection of the night all match and this is what has been printed and to say you must let justice take its course is quiet correct but don't forget the verdict may be correct but the punishment will I fear not be fitting for the crime. Newport has gone to the dogs
  • Score: 11

12:34pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Nivage says...

Another example of the gang culture and lack of respect for others that has slaughtered this once great country. Why are these people allowed to hang around in gangs intimidating people and doing what they like? why? Its because the Police are scared of them and they now they have too many rights. Some of the Police officers you see today that are so called enforcing the law are a joke. Nobodies scared of them. Bring back the old Police image where if you stepped out of line you were promptly marched down and ally and given a good clip round the ear. It did and should still happen. Maybe some fear in these hooligans lives mite do the trick. Britains broken for a reason. Its because nobody stands up for them selves anymore.
Another example of the gang culture and lack of respect for others that has slaughtered this once great country. Why are these people allowed to hang around in gangs intimidating people and doing what they like? why? Its because the Police are scared of them and they now they have too many rights. Some of the Police officers you see today that are so called enforcing the law are a joke. Nobodies scared of them. Bring back the old Police image where if you stepped out of line you were promptly marched down and ally and given a good clip round the ear. It did and should still happen. Maybe some fear in these hooligans lives mite do the trick. Britains broken for a reason. Its because nobody stands up for them selves anymore. Nivage
  • Score: 4

1:25pm Fri 31 Jan 14

A.R. Gus says...

Leave a message on facebook sure he'll appreciate it haa
Leave a message on facebook sure he'll appreciate it haa A.R. Gus
  • Score: 1

2:31pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

dinnerlady52 wrote:
Drink and drugs used as an excuse again , if I had drunk what they say they had I would be in no fit state to fight any one . Its people like this that gives Newport a bad name which we can do without. What was a 15yr old doing out in the early hours of the morning anyway, regardless of it being New Year hold his parents partly responsible for allowing a minor to be out and in the condition he was in . I see they weren't too drunk or drugged up to make their way to carry on the party . An innocent man has been left blinded by this which will alter the whole of his and his families life. So please no more slap on the wrists and don't do it again you naughty boys , they have to be punished for this .
Good post.
However, I expect that they will receive a paltry sentence anyway.
Otherwise it will breach their human rights.
[quote][p][bold]dinnerlady52[/bold] wrote: Drink and drugs used as an excuse again , if I had drunk what they say they had I would be in no fit state to fight any one . Its people like this that gives Newport a bad name which we can do without. What was a 15yr old doing out in the early hours of the morning anyway, regardless of it being New Year hold his parents partly responsible for allowing a minor to be out and in the condition he was in . I see they weren't too drunk or drugged up to make their way to carry on the party . An innocent man has been left blinded by this which will alter the whole of his and his families life. So please no more slap on the wrists and don't do it again you naughty boys , they have to be punished for this .[/p][/quote]Good post. However, I expect that they will receive a paltry sentence anyway. Otherwise it will breach their human rights. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

2:37pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

arjwain wrote:
this is why this country is in ruins .
this act many years ago would have been a prison sentence...
with our prisons full they are now just a telling off .
even knife crimes and aggravated burglary are treated with a softly softly suspended sentences handed out .
he lost an eye these boys should be in prison how else are your going to teach others right from wrong .
Trouble is that prison is not a harsh enough place for these to be taught a lesson.
If they made prison life intolerable then it would act as a deterrent .
However, this is not going to happen when you have civilians running correctional facilities and where the prisoners are allowed to do almost anything they like.
Under an American system offenders like this would no doubt have to serve a long term of imprisonment in a hell hole of a place.
[quote][p][bold]arjwain[/bold] wrote: this is why this country is in ruins . this act many years ago would have been a prison sentence... with our prisons full they are now just a telling off . even knife crimes and aggravated burglary are treated with a softly softly suspended sentences handed out . he lost an eye these boys should be in prison how else are your going to teach others right from wrong .[/p][/quote]Trouble is that prison is not a harsh enough place for these to be taught a lesson. If they made prison life intolerable then it would act as a deterrent . However, this is not going to happen when you have civilians running correctional facilities and where the prisoners are allowed to do almost anything they like. Under an American system offenders like this would no doubt have to serve a long term of imprisonment in a hell hole of a place. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS.
It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too.
But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?
And we all know why the CPS did this, to avoid a long trial.
So saving money comes before justice to the victim?
CPS is not fit for purpose.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS. It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too. But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?[/p][/quote]And we all know why the CPS did this, to avoid a long trial. So saving money comes before justice to the victim? CPS is not fit for purpose. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

2:44pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Newport Spark wrote:
Dolieboy wrote:
ncfcr wrote:
I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well.

I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release.

It is surely a no-brainer.
Build more prisons by all means and introduce harsher sentences. Facts have shown that a high number of offenders reoffend. Many have poor social backgrounds, broken homes, learning difficulties, drugs etc. Introduce American type sentences and make prisons profitable. Install treadmills for the inmates to generate electricity which can go back into the national grid - green energy and the taxpayer is getting something. Could also use the inmates to go on work details.
Poor social backgrounds?Broken homes?Learning difficulties?Drugs?
Are any of these reasons for hitting someone so brutally they lose an eye? It these excuses that feed this kind of behaviour.Excuses it even.Soppy liberal thinking like this has ruined our nation.Right is right and wrong is wrong.Some things don't need to be teached.If you think this sort of behaviour is normal then you shouldn't be on the streets as your a danger to all of us.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Newport Spark[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ncfcr[/bold] wrote: I don't see why we can't build more prisons. The construction sector needs a boost, and there is clearly demand for it. It would create jobs as well. I'm also an advocate of the Russian prison model (although a more humane version), where prisoners are put to good use; building, farming, and just working in general whilst they serve their sentence. Not only do they serve worthwhile time and repay their debt to society, but they stand a better chance of succesfully re-intergrating into society upon release. It is surely a no-brainer.[/p][/quote]Build more prisons by all means and introduce harsher sentences. Facts have shown that a high number of offenders reoffend. Many have poor social backgrounds, broken homes, learning difficulties, drugs etc. Introduce American type sentences and make prisons profitable. Install treadmills for the inmates to generate electricity which can go back into the national grid - green energy and the taxpayer is getting something. Could also use the inmates to go on work details.[/p][/quote]Poor social backgrounds?Broken homes?Learning difficulties?Drugs? Are any of these reasons for hitting someone so brutally they lose an eye? It these excuses that feed this kind of behaviour.Excuses it even.Soppy liberal thinking like this has ruined our nation.Right is right and wrong is wrong.Some things don't need to be teached.If you think this sort of behaviour is normal then you shouldn't be on the streets as your a danger to all of us.[/p][/quote]Well said. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

2:53pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Dai Rear says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS.
It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too.
But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?
And we all know why the CPS did this, to avoid a long trial.
So saving money comes before justice to the victim?
CPS is not fit for purpose.
True in part. The State is very happy to spend a fortune on prosecuting ancient history stuff-"oh I was touched "inappropriately" by Max wall or WC Fields 6 decades ago"- and the forbidden reading of Hugh Grant's assignations with New York ladies of the night-always provided it's about "celebs".
The "celeb" now trumps the fate of decent working people like Mr. Collins. I find that absolutely sickening as , I expect, do most normal people.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Yes you're right but what's gone wrong here is bad charging from CPS. It should have been charged as a joint S18 GBH with intent. It's clearly premeditated and deliberate so the intent is not hard to prove, nor is it hard to prove it's joint. That gets Lloyd (why does the underclass always call its male offspring Connor or Jayden?) automatically to Crown and Martin Brown could have determined it was a Grave Crime so that the 15 year old instigator goes too. But the Judge now has only 5 years and Lloyd 's pleaded guilty and must have his credit, so , unlikely to be north of 12 months for him, possibly suspended. UKIP is thinking of putting abolition of CPS in its Manifesto. Good idea?[/p][/quote]And we all know why the CPS did this, to avoid a long trial. So saving money comes before justice to the victim? CPS is not fit for purpose.[/p][/quote]True in part. The State is very happy to spend a fortune on prosecuting ancient history stuff-"oh I was touched "inappropriately" by Max wall or WC Fields 6 decades ago"- and the forbidden reading of Hugh Grant's assignations with New York ladies of the night-always provided it's about "celebs". The "celeb" now trumps the fate of decent working people like Mr. Collins. I find that absolutely sickening as , I expect, do most normal people. Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

6:46pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Dai Rear wrote:
." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause"
Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?
What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one.
There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause" Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?[/p][/quote]What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one. There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are? Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 4

10:52pm Fri 31 Jan 14

happy new year says...

All I wanted to do that night was to go home. Three times I walked away but the 15 yr old lad was having none of it. As far as he was concerned his night out would not be complete until he had attacked someone. If that was from behind, then so be it.
He received a 6 month referral order. I am absolutely disgusted by this. Although he didn't inflict the damage, if it wasn't for him I would still have both eyes. This is a devastating injury. It is unbelievable how much this has changed our lives.
The police have been brilliant through all this. They tried so hard to get the 15 yr old into Crown Court, but the CPS would have none of it. And the magistrates on the day were no better. I still cannot believe he was given a slap on the wrist.
Support from my family and friends through this has been awesome, and I would like to thank every last one of them.
All I wanted to do that night was to go home. Three times I walked away but the 15 yr old lad was having none of it. As far as he was concerned his night out would not be complete until he had attacked someone. If that was from behind, then so be it. He received a 6 month referral order. I am absolutely disgusted by this. Although he didn't inflict the damage, if it wasn't for him I would still have both eyes. This is a devastating injury. It is unbelievable how much this has changed our lives. The police have been brilliant through all this. They tried so hard to get the 15 yr old into Crown Court, but the CPS would have none of it. And the magistrates on the day were no better. I still cannot believe he was given a slap on the wrist. Support from my family and friends through this has been awesome, and I would like to thank every last one of them. happy new year
  • Score: 13

8:19am Sat 1 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
ss
wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause"
Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?
What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one.
There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?
Go to your local court for a day if you don't understand. You'll figure what class nearly all the perpetrators come from (though I suspect you know already)
I don't think you'll find "Hitler" on the daily list there although he received only an elementary education. Guevara, sadistic mass murderer , was well educated, but that takes us no further because my post was actually about the stupid "you don't know anything about these "boys" " mentality.
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause" Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?[/p][/quote]What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one. There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?[/p][/quote]Go to your local court for a day if you don't understand. You'll figure what class nearly all the perpetrators come from (though I suspect you know already) I don't think you'll find "Hitler" on the daily list there although he received only an elementary education. Guevara, sadistic mass murderer , was well educated, but that takes us no further because my post was actually about the stupid "you don't know anything about these "boys" " mentality. Dai Rear
  • Score: -3

9:28am Sat 1 Feb 14

helper7 says...

your sort Dai are the problem not the solution. If you read the headlines latley you may have picked up the story of a head teacher spying on children in the toilet!. we dont need class wars thats what Ukip/bnp want. Good and bad com from all classes.
your sort Dai are the problem not the solution. If you read the headlines latley you may have picked up the story of a head teacher spying on children in the toilet!. we dont need class wars thats what Ukip/bnp want. Good and bad com from all classes. helper7
  • Score: 2

5:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne

ss
wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause"
Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?
What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one.
There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?
Go to your local court for a day if you don't understand. You'll figure what class nearly all the perpetrators come from (though I suspect you know already)
I don't think you'll find "Hitler" on the daily list there although he received only an elementary education. Guevara, sadistic mass murderer , was well educated, but that takes us no further because my post was actually about the stupid "you don't know anything about these "boys" " mentality.
I condemn the boys as much as you for their actions Dai the difference is I’m not that stupid to treat everyone with the same social background as thugs nor have I the Psychic abillity to perceive someones social background by name and even though I have met quite a few thugs called Dai in my time it has not detered me from judging all Dai's,Davids,Davey's and Dafydd's as I find them.
There are many well educated and priviliged people out there commiting crimes although most of them specializse in corruption,fraud and exploitation and frequently dabble in nepotism equally there are many good ones also.
A privileged upbringing is no guarantee of being a pillar of the community and neither is wealth.
Half the country thought Jimmy Saville with his OBE to be a pillar of the community but that was before we knew what a **** he was.

Brains aren't everything Dai. In fact, in your case they're nothing!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause" Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?[/p][/quote]What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one. There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?[/p][/quote]Go to your local court for a day if you don't understand. You'll figure what class nearly all the perpetrators come from (though I suspect you know already) I don't think you'll find "Hitler" on the daily list there although he received only an elementary education. Guevara, sadistic mass murderer , was well educated, but that takes us no further because my post was actually about the stupid "you don't know anything about these "boys" " mentality.[/p][/quote]I condemn the boys as much as you for their actions Dai the difference is I’m not that stupid to treat everyone with the same social background as thugs nor have I the Psychic abillity to perceive someones social background by name and even though I have met quite a few thugs called Dai in my time it has not detered me from judging all Dai's,Davids,Davey's and Dafydd's as I find them. There are many well educated and priviliged people out there commiting crimes although most of them specializse in corruption,fraud and exploitation and frequently dabble in nepotism equally there are many good ones also. A privileged upbringing is no guarantee of being a pillar of the community and neither is wealth. Half the country thought Jimmy Saville with his OBE to be a pillar of the community but that was before we knew what a **** he was. Brains aren't everything Dai. In fact, in your case they're nothing! Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 2

5:03pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

Milkmanofhumankindne
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Dai Rear wrote:
Milkmanofhumankindne


ss
wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause"
Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?
What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one.
There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?
Go to your local court for a day if you don't understand. You'll figure what class nearly all the perpetrators come from (though I suspect you know already)
I don't think you'll find "Hitler" on the daily list there although he received only an elementary education. Guevara, sadistic mass murderer , was well educated, but that takes us no further because my post was actually about the stupid "you don't know anything about these "boys" " mentality.
I condemn the boys as much as you for their actions Dai the difference is I’m not that stupid to treat everyone with the same social background as thugs nor have I the Psychic abillity to perceive someones social background by name and even though I have met quite a few thugs called Dai in my time it has not detered me from judging all Dai's,Davids,Davey's and Dafydd's as I find them.
There are many well educated and priviliged people out there commiting crimes although most of them specializse in corruption,fraud and exploitation and frequently dabble in nepotism equally there are many good ones also.
A privileged upbringing is no guarantee of being a pillar of the community and neither is wealth.
Half the country thought Jimmy Saville with his OBE to be a pillar of the community but that was before we knew what a **** he was.

Brains aren't everything Dai. In fact, in your case they're nothing!
And insults are just silly, aren't they? If I knew the Duke of Omnium filled himself with alcohol and drugs and beat up on people I'd know that much about him. Please try to understand my point. It's not hard. When Willy Wonka says" I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives " he's wrong, just wrong. We know they're drug and alcohol fuelled garbage. We know that one isn't a boy. We know that the lower classes are , much as your egalitarian bigotry chokes on it, over-represented in the criminal courts. Nothing alters that, does it?
[quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Milkmanofhumankindne ss[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: ." I presume the majority of you are grown adults and you should have more sense than to feel the need to comment on a news article like this. As for bringing up the upbringing of the teens, I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives and that includes their upbringing. It's a terrible act, no doubt... Commenting on the matter will make no difference, you must let justice take it's cause" Well I know something about you. You're not well educated. You sought "its course". I know something about these boys' lives and that is that the one is not a "boy"; he's an adult. His first name fixes his social class and he drinks massively to excess and takes drugs to make himself more intoxicated. I know that the youth does the same thing and that they are moronically and gratuitously violent. Isn't that enough to be going on with? And if commenting is superfluous why are you commenting?[/p][/quote]What a load of tripe Dai, I condem the boys as much as anybody but you dont have to be well educated to be good in fact some of the most hidious crimes ever commited were done by very clever people "Hitler" for one. There are pleanty of disadvantaged younsters mainly through bad education that are very fine people indeed. You should be ashamed of yourself for generalising about class who do you think you are?[/p][/quote]Go to your local court for a day if you don't understand. You'll figure what class nearly all the perpetrators come from (though I suspect you know already) I don't think you'll find "Hitler" on the daily list there although he received only an elementary education. Guevara, sadistic mass murderer , was well educated, but that takes us no further because my post was actually about the stupid "you don't know anything about these "boys" " mentality.[/p][/quote]I condemn the boys as much as you for their actions Dai the difference is I’m not that stupid to treat everyone with the same social background as thugs nor have I the Psychic abillity to perceive someones social background by name and even though I have met quite a few thugs called Dai in my time it has not detered me from judging all Dai's,Davids,Davey's and Dafydd's as I find them. There are many well educated and priviliged people out there commiting crimes although most of them specializse in corruption,fraud and exploitation and frequently dabble in nepotism equally there are many good ones also. A privileged upbringing is no guarantee of being a pillar of the community and neither is wealth. Half the country thought Jimmy Saville with his OBE to be a pillar of the community but that was before we knew what a **** he was. Brains aren't everything Dai. In fact, in your case they're nothing![/p][/quote]And insults are just silly, aren't they? If I knew the Duke of Omnium filled himself with alcohol and drugs and beat up on people I'd know that much about him. Please try to understand my point. It's not hard. When Willy Wonka says" I know for a fact that you people don't have a clue in the slightest about the boys lives " he's wrong, just wrong. We know they're drug and alcohol fuelled garbage. We know that one isn't a boy. We know that the lower classes are , much as your egalitarian bigotry chokes on it, over-represented in the criminal courts. Nothing alters that, does it? Dai Rear
  • Score: -1

5:39pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

You are the one that needs to understand Dai.
Far from being over represented most have to rely on legal aid just to get their views over and even that has been hammered by the tory machine unlike the wealthy and privileged who throw tons of their cash when in a spot of bother, most of which has probably seen little or no contribution to society from taxation on the best solicitors money can buy then they constantly use the old school tie and masonic contacts to make themselves appear pillars of the community.
Like I said before and as much as you hate to hear it crime spreads right across all classes although the wealthy are better prepared to defend their actions and are much more likely to get off with it.
We don’t need your sort Dai spreading class warfare as someone else said your sort are the problem not the solution.
Your sort are just the type to condemn the lower classes until there’s a war then you want them all sent off to defend wealth and then have the cheek to honour the few that survive.
The vast majority of soldiers in the first and second world war were from working class backgrounds.

Unemployed young people today are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.(just like young sodiers in the past)
A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming.
More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness.
Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in.

The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign for cut price soldiers aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours.
A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications.
The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013

Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in and a decent wage they will never get that from the likes of you.
You are the one that needs to understand Dai. Far from being over represented most have to rely on legal aid just to get their views over and even that has been hammered by the tory machine unlike the wealthy and privileged who throw tons of their cash when in a spot of bother, most of which has probably seen little or no contribution to society from taxation on the best solicitors money can buy then they constantly use the old school tie and masonic contacts to make themselves appear pillars of the community. Like I said before and as much as you hate to hear it crime spreads right across all classes although the wealthy are better prepared to defend their actions and are much more likely to get off with it. We don’t need your sort Dai spreading class warfare as someone else said your sort are the problem not the solution. Your sort are just the type to condemn the lower classes until there’s a war then you want them all sent off to defend wealth and then have the cheek to honour the few that survive. The vast majority of soldiers in the first and second world war were from working class backgrounds. Unemployed young people today are twice as likely to be on anti-depressants and many have contemplated suicide, a disturbing report has found.(just like young sodiers in the past) A study for The Prince's Trust found long-term jobless youngsters aged 16 to 25 are suffering "devastating" symptoms of mental illness and often self-harming. More than 2,000 young people were surveyed, with 40% of those who were out of work saying they faced symptoms of mental illness. Those unemployed for over a year were more likely to say they had no-one to confide in. The Army is launching a £3m recruitment campaign for cut price soldiers aimed at boosting both the regular and reserve forces, this is the Tory response to unemployment, working poor and zero hours. A poll commissioned by the Army to mark the campaign's launch suggested that 23% of people were not satisfied with their current career.When asked what was missing 30% said a decent salary; 27% said excellent training and personal development; 25% said a challenging and exciting role; 35% said UK and overseas travel; and 18% said getting paid while getting qualifications. The research, carried out by OnePoll, surveyed 2,000 people in December 2013 Most young people however just want jobs in the communities they grew up in and a decent wage they will never get that from the likes of you. Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 5

6:20pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

Did Connor want a job in the "community" or just to get sozzled and beat people up? I've no idea but he doesn't seem to have done his job prospects a lot of good, does he?
I'm not an employer so I couldn't offer Connor a job in the (unlikely, I suspect) event he wanted one
I don't know why Cameron thinks it's a good idea to emasculate our defences at the same time as giving loads of dosh to foreign dictators to buy Mercedes Benz, so I'm probably with you on that one and on reflection if you're saying the lower classes are too dull not to get caught there's probably an element of truth in that as well. So, we can end on a note of agreement, can't we?
Did Connor want a job in the "community" or just to get sozzled and beat people up? I've no idea but he doesn't seem to have done his job prospects a lot of good, does he? I'm not an employer so I couldn't offer Connor a job in the (unlikely, I suspect) event he wanted one I don't know why Cameron thinks it's a good idea to emasculate our defences at the same time as giving loads of dosh to foreign dictators to buy Mercedes Benz, so I'm probably with you on that one and on reflection if you're saying the lower classes are too dull not to get caught there's probably an element of truth in that as well. So, we can end on a note of agreement, can't we? Dai Rear
  • Score: -4

6:27pm Sun 2 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Did Connor want a job in the "community" or just to get sozzled and beat people up? I've no idea but he doesn't seem to have done his job prospects a lot of good, does he?
I'm not an employer so I couldn't offer Connor a job in the (unlikely, I suspect) event he wanted one
I don't know why Cameron thinks it's a good idea to emasculate our defences at the same time as giving loads of dosh to foreign dictators to buy Mercedes Benz, so I'm probably with you on that one and on reflection if you're saying the lower classes are too dull not to get caught there's probably an element of truth in that as well. So, we can end on a note of agreement, can't we?
Dont assume I agree with you Dai! not too dull too poor to get good legal representation.
What tose boys did was wrong full stop,
But attacking the poor just because they are poor is pathetic.
Unemployment today has been repackaged we are told Unemployment is down!
However now we have people only doing a few hours a week to keep them off the unemployed list.
The truth is The Working Poor are the new unemployed.
Ukip are not the solution they are the problem, If anybody thinks that they will help the working class by setting on immigrants and creating jobs and reducing crime then think again. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the white and well-heeled.
They are the problem not the solution.
And yet despite this, the party attracts widespread working class support. The average Kipper is more likely to have finished education at 16 or under than voters of the three main parties and is less likely to be university-educated or have an income over £40,000. In explaining the UKIP phenomenon, the media enjoys waxing lyrical about disillusioned right-wing Tory voters, but far more interesting is the class background of many of the UKIP’s prospective voters: these are conservatives but with very little to be conservative about or just masses of people who have been insidiously misled DONT BE FOOLED they are just disgruntled Tories.

I have no more to say to you Dai, END OFF
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: Did Connor want a job in the "community" or just to get sozzled and beat people up? I've no idea but he doesn't seem to have done his job prospects a lot of good, does he? I'm not an employer so I couldn't offer Connor a job in the (unlikely, I suspect) event he wanted one I don't know why Cameron thinks it's a good idea to emasculate our defences at the same time as giving loads of dosh to foreign dictators to buy Mercedes Benz, so I'm probably with you on that one and on reflection if you're saying the lower classes are too dull not to get caught there's probably an element of truth in that as well. So, we can end on a note of agreement, can't we?[/p][/quote]Dont assume I agree with you Dai! not too dull too poor to get good legal representation. What tose boys did was wrong full stop, But attacking the poor just because they are poor is pathetic. Unemployment today has been repackaged we are told Unemployment is down! However now we have people only doing a few hours a week to keep them off the unemployed list. The truth is The Working Poor are the new unemployed. Ukip are not the solution they are the problem, If anybody thinks that they will help the working class by setting on immigrants and creating jobs and reducing crime then think again. Nigel Farage is a former stockbroker and the leader of a party which represents the interests of the white and well-heeled. They are the problem not the solution. And yet despite this, the party attracts widespread working class support. The average Kipper is more likely to have finished education at 16 or under than voters of the three main parties and is less likely to be university-educated or have an income over £40,000. In explaining the UKIP phenomenon, the media enjoys waxing lyrical about disillusioned right-wing Tory voters, but far more interesting is the class background of many of the UKIP’s prospective voters: these are conservatives but with very little to be conservative about or just masses of people who have been insidiously misled DONT BE FOOLED they are just disgruntled Tories. I have no more to say to you Dai, END OFF Milkmanofhumankindness
  • Score: 4

7:25am Mon 3 Feb 14

Dai Rear says...

No mate. My end's still on. How's yours?
No mate. My end's still on. How's yours? Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

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