Ex-Gwent PC who smashed up pensioner's car gets £429k payout

South Wales Argus: PAYOUT: Ex-Gwent Police traffic cop Mike Baillon PAYOUT: Ex-Gwent Police traffic cop Mike Baillon

A GWENT police officer who was forced out of his job after being caught on camera smashing a pensioner’s car is set to receive a payout of over £429,000 but is set to receive further compensation.

Ex-traffic cop Mike Baillon, 42, quit Gwent Police after footage showing him hit the car window of 74-year-old Robert Whatley 15 times in Usk was viewed more than 30 million times on YouTube.

The incident happened in 2009 after PC Baillon and another police officer stopped the pensioner as he was driving without a seat belt near Usk.

The dad-of-two, said he became the butt of daily jokes and his barrister Nick Smith told a tribunal he had become a “pariah” in the force.

After winning his constructive dismissal claim at Cardiff Employment Tribunal, he was awarded £429,434.64 for loss of pension, had he stayed in the force until the end of his career, a hearing in Cardiff ruled yesterday.

He will receive a further sum for loss of earnings since leaving the force, with the final amount to be announced by the end of next week.

During the hearing, his solicitor Nick Smith criticised Gwent police force.

He said: "Mr Baillon was removed from a job he loved and it was a gross abuse of power by the police.”

Following the decision, a Gwent Police spokesman said: “Gwent Police defended itself against the claims during the employment tribunal process and is disappointed at the outcome. We will now reflect on the judgment."

The tribunal heard previously how Mr Baillon, who drove the Prince of Wales and Princess Anne as part of his duties, was exonerated following an internal police investigation.

But the former traffic cop complained he had not been "given closure" after being removed from frontline duties, which led to daily harassment and bullying from colleagues, so he was forced to resign in August 2012.

But Gwent Police chiefs claimed he had become mentally unstable and "obsessed" with the "Whatley incident", adding his inability to move on could affect his ability to drive high-speed police cars.

He was moved from Gwent Police traffic unit to the Local Policing Unit in Newport and was off sick for stress from February 2012.

Tribunal Judge Roger Harper ruled last year that Mr Baillon had suffered a detriment and been unfairly dismissed.

After leaving the force, Mr Baillon set up a company called Celtic Woodcraft making decorative wooden reindeers.

Mr Whatley won a £20,000 payout from the police over the damage caused to his vehicle.

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5:06pm Wed 5 Feb 14

mintex says...

£400+ thousand for stress, he should have been sent to prison,
£400+ thousand for stress, he should have been sent to prison, mintex

7:12pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Kevin Ward - Editor says...

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7:32pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Woodgnome says...

How can the Gwent police mishandle affairs so that not only do they lose the services of an officer but also have to find £429k out of their budget compensating him? Gwent police (and therefore the public) lose out with a double whammy.
How can the Gwent police mishandle affairs so that not only do they lose the services of an officer but also have to find £429k out of their budget compensating him? Gwent police (and therefore the public) lose out with a double whammy. Woodgnome

7:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Peterpiper3 says...

Is this really the law ?I wish i was a policeman or a bank manager.I thought the country was trying to save money?Who is responsible,the goverment or is it the EU?
Is this really the law ?I wish i was a policeman or a bank manager.I thought the country was trying to save money?Who is responsible,the goverment or is it the EU? Peterpiper3

7:45pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Casnewydd lad says...

After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit
After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit Casnewydd lad

7:51pm Wed 5 Feb 14

theviking666 says...

that's one very good pension. are all police staff going to get that at retirement?
that's one very good pension. are all police staff going to get that at retirement? theviking666

8:01pm Wed 5 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

Casnewydd lad wrote:
After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit
Why did not Gwent police back this officer who was quite within his rights to do what he did. It should also be said that the person who was in the wrong and has effectively ended this officers career was awarded £65k and I have to ask for what.
[quote][p][bold]Casnewydd lad[/bold] wrote: After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit[/p][/quote]Why did not Gwent police back this officer who was quite within his rights to do what he did. It should also be said that the person who was in the wrong and has effectively ended this officers career was awarded £65k and I have to ask for what. blackandamber

8:02pm Wed 5 Feb 14

blackandamber says...

Casnewydd lad wrote:
After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit
Had this been the USA they probably would have shot him.
[quote][p][bold]Casnewydd lad[/bold] wrote: After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit[/p][/quote]Had this been the USA they probably would have shot him. blackandamber

8:11pm Wed 5 Feb 14

endthelies says...

Casnewydd lad wrote:
After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit
I agree totally. If this was a young person who had driven off whilst being questioned by police, do you think the reaction to this police officer doing his job would have been different. We know this guy drove off whilst being questioned over a minor incident. In my opinion, only people with something to hide do something like that.
[quote][p][bold]Casnewydd lad[/bold] wrote: After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit[/p][/quote]I agree totally. If this was a young person who had driven off whilst being questioned by police, do you think the reaction to this police officer doing his job would have been different. We know this guy drove off whilst being questioned over a minor incident. In my opinion, only people with something to hide do something like that. endthelies

8:40pm Wed 5 Feb 14

J0seph says...

Ex-traffic cop Mike Baillon, 42, "quit" Gwent Police


They didn't sack him.. I don't see what Gwent Police did wrong?

Also. Why didn't he just change force if he wasn't happy?
[quote]Ex-traffic cop Mike Baillon, 42, [bold]"quit"[/bold] Gwent Police[/quote] They didn't sack him.. I don't see what Gwent Police did wrong? Also. Why didn't he just change force if he wasn't happy? J0seph

9:20pm Wed 5 Feb 14

Limestonecowboy says...

the driver gets £20,000 for damage to his Range Rover! now thats a good deal.
the driver gets £20,000 for damage to his Range Rover! now thats a good deal. Limestonecowboy

8:22am Thu 6 Feb 14

Woodgnome says...

J0seph wrote:
Ex-traffic cop Mike Baillon, 42, "quit" Gwent Police


They didn't sack him.. I don't see what Gwent Police did wrong?

Also. Why didn't he just change force if he wasn't happy?
They allowed his life to be come so unbearable he felt he had to leave. That is effectively a dismissal. That's what. If he was in fact a bad officer they should have followed correct procedures - not permit bullying. It looks to me like the senior officers in the station he worked at want investigating.
[quote][p][bold]J0seph[/bold] wrote: [quote]Ex-traffic cop Mike Baillon, 42, [bold]"quit"[/bold] Gwent Police[/quote] They didn't sack him.. I don't see what Gwent Police did wrong? Also. Why didn't he just change force if he wasn't happy?[/p][/quote]They allowed his life to be come so unbearable he felt he had to leave. That is effectively a dismissal. That's what. If he was in fact a bad officer they should have followed correct procedures - not permit bullying. It looks to me like the senior officers in the station he worked at want investigating. Woodgnome

8:35am Thu 6 Feb 14

Raymond Luxury-Yacht says...

During the hearing, his solicitor Nick Smith criticised Gwent police force.

He said: "Mr Baillon was removed from a job he loved and it was a gross abuse of power by the police.”

Gwent Police broke the law and should now face the consequences. Surely, they should have known better?. Thankfully, there are still some employment rights left in this country. Good luck to Mr Baillon with his new venture.
During the hearing, his solicitor Nick Smith criticised Gwent police force. He said: "Mr Baillon was removed from a job he loved and it was a gross abuse of power by the police.” Gwent Police broke the law and should now face the consequences. Surely, they should have known better?. Thankfully, there are still some employment rights left in this country. Good luck to Mr Baillon with his new venture. Raymond Luxury-Yacht

8:46am Thu 6 Feb 14

BUDDAH WELSH says...

endthelies wrote:
Casnewydd lad wrote:
After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit
I agree totally. If this was a young person who had driven off whilst being questioned by police, do you think the reaction to this police officer doing his job would have been different. We know this guy drove off whilst being questioned over a minor incident. In my opinion, only people with something to hide do something like that.
Why did the man drive away? and then did not stop for 17 minutes? The Police are afraid to do their job because of stupidity that allows a payout of £65000 to a man it took traffic police 17 minutes to stop at high speed. There is something wrong with this country from start to finish of the payout to the old man and this police officer losing his job. The public will have no faith left if this is what people in charge at Gwent Police do. This should of not got to court for the first case or the second for the officer.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Casnewydd lad[/bold] wrote: After veiwing the video and hearing the evidence I don't see why this police officer was suspended or anything at all, in my view the old chap thought he was above the law and the police did what they do when they stop a pursuit[/p][/quote]I agree totally. If this was a young person who had driven off whilst being questioned by police, do you think the reaction to this police officer doing his job would have been different. We know this guy drove off whilst being questioned over a minor incident. In my opinion, only people with something to hide do something like that.[/p][/quote]Why did the man drive away? and then did not stop for 17 minutes? The Police are afraid to do their job because of stupidity that allows a payout of £65000 to a man it took traffic police 17 minutes to stop at high speed. There is something wrong with this country from start to finish of the payout to the old man and this police officer losing his job. The public will have no faith left if this is what people in charge at Gwent Police do. This should of not got to court for the first case or the second for the officer. BUDDAH WELSH

9:03am Thu 6 Feb 14

thats the one says...

a typical example of how the police act, they take the law into there own hands, dissgraceful ,but unlucky for him his actions were caught on camera, if he had not acted in this manner towards a elderly pensioner he wouldnt of lost his job, poor him having to put up with daily harassment and bullying from colleagues,thats exactally how the pensioner must of felt when Mike Baillon was smashing his window screen with a batton.and then Mike Baillon gets rewarded for his actions, totally wong.
a typical example of how the police act, they take the law into there own hands, dissgraceful ,but unlucky for him his actions were caught on camera, if he had not acted in this manner towards a elderly pensioner he wouldnt of lost his job, poor him having to put up with daily harassment and bullying from colleagues,thats exactally how the pensioner must of felt when Mike Baillon was smashing his window screen with a batton.and then Mike Baillon gets rewarded for his actions, totally wong. thats the one

9:27am Thu 6 Feb 14

gathin says...

Any guesses which lodge the PC attends?
Any guesses which lodge the PC attends? gathin

9:30am Thu 6 Feb 14

Milkmanofhumankindness says...

Peterpiper3 wrote:
Is this really the law ?I wish i was a policeman or a bank manager.I thought the country was trying to save money?Who is responsible,the goverment or is it the EU?
Masonic contacts could get you a long way.
[quote][p][bold]Peterpiper3[/bold] wrote: Is this really the law ?I wish i was a policeman or a bank manager.I thought the country was trying to save money?Who is responsible,the goverment or is it the EU?[/p][/quote]Masonic contacts could get you a long way. Milkmanofhumankindness

10:45am Thu 6 Feb 14

rightsideup says...

Had he not been posted to Newport,he'd probably still be working for Gwent police!.
Had he not been posted to Newport,he'd probably still be working for Gwent police!. rightsideup

10:53am Thu 6 Feb 14

Pearly13 says...

As is sometimes the case, the main issue here is lost. Who leaked the video to the Internet? It was a Gwent Police Traffic Car video. Gwent Police had control of the video at all times, yet it was put online! The officer was suspended, investigated, humiliated, and then marginalized by the force and moved to other duties in direct contradiction of his training, aptitude and career aspirations. Proper complaints procedures were ignored or set aside. Who authorized that? I can guess who, but will anyone be held responsible? I doubt it.
As is sometimes the case, the main issue here is lost. Who leaked the video to the Internet? It was a Gwent Police Traffic Car video. Gwent Police had control of the video at all times, yet it was put online! The officer was suspended, investigated, humiliated, and then marginalized by the force and moved to other duties in direct contradiction of his training, aptitude and career aspirations. Proper complaints procedures were ignored or set aside. Who authorized that? I can guess who, but will anyone be held responsible? I doubt it. Pearly13

11:02am Thu 6 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Winners Vs Losers.....
Work that one out as im one of the losers ,it comes out of MY Council Tax that goes towards Gwent Police....
So now am I looking forward to see less officers patrolling MY area ?
Over £500,000 GONE and WASTED
( forgot I don't see them anyway )
What a mess coming to this !
Shame this SO called paper does not print all peoples ( Legal ) opinions as OTHER papers do !
Winners Vs Losers..... Work that one out as im one of the losers ,it comes out of MY Council Tax that goes towards Gwent Police.... So now am I looking forward to see less officers patrolling MY area ? Over £500,000 GONE and WASTED ( forgot I don't see them anyway ) What a mess coming to this ! Shame this SO called paper does not print all peoples ( Legal ) opinions as OTHER papers do ! Jonnytrouble

11:15am Thu 6 Feb 14

nodnyl says...

would have only got £250 on Y.B.F.
would have only got £250 on Y.B.F. nodnyl

11:21am Thu 6 Feb 14

Over-by-yer says...

whatever you think of the original incident, it was investigated thoroughly with the conclusion being that Mr Baillon acted lawfully and acted within accepted guidelines and practices. Its very easy for people to criticise who have not been in the position that police officers find themselves in every day when confronted with potentially life threatening situations. We now know that Mr Whatley was only a 'dear old pensioner' but when confronted with Mr Whatley's torrent of abuse and very aggresive abehaviour, Mr Baillon did not know what this clown was trying to hide. Mr whatley chose to drive off and the rest is history.
But as a previous poster has mentioned this whole situation arose from the way the senior management handled the matter immediately after the incident. This point has been conveniently lost amongst the sometimes sensational way the story has been reported. Its about time some serious questions were asked about the way the senior management dealt with the situation right from the start and would probably make better reading in the Argus. I wish Mr Baillon and his family the best of luck for the future.
whatever you think of the original incident, it was investigated thoroughly with the conclusion being that Mr Baillon acted lawfully and acted within accepted guidelines and practices. Its very easy for people to criticise who have not been in the position that police officers find themselves in every day when confronted with potentially life threatening situations. We now know that Mr Whatley was only a 'dear old pensioner' but when confronted with Mr Whatley's torrent of abuse and very aggresive abehaviour, Mr Baillon did not know what this clown was trying to hide. Mr whatley chose to drive off and the rest is history. But as a previous poster has mentioned this whole situation arose from the way the senior management handled the matter immediately after the incident. This point has been conveniently lost amongst the sometimes sensational way the story has been reported. Its about time some serious questions were asked about the way the senior management dealt with the situation right from the start and would probably make better reading in the Argus. I wish Mr Baillon and his family the best of luck for the future. Over-by-yer

11:45am Thu 6 Feb 14

coalpicker says...

Over-by-yer wrote:
whatever you think of the original incident, it was investigated thoroughly with the conclusion being that Mr Baillon acted lawfully and acted within accepted guidelines and practices. Its very easy for people to criticise who have not been in the position that police officers find themselves in every day when confronted with potentially life threatening situations. We now know that Mr Whatley was only a 'dear old pensioner' but when confronted with Mr Whatley's torrent of abuse and very aggresive abehaviour, Mr Baillon did not know what this clown was trying to hide. Mr whatley chose to drive off and the rest is history.
But as a previous poster has mentioned this whole situation arose from the way the senior management handled the matter immediately after the incident. This point has been conveniently lost amongst the sometimes sensational way the story has been reported. Its about time some serious questions were asked about the way the senior management dealt with the situation right from the start and would probably make better reading in the Argus. I wish Mr Baillon and his family the best of luck for the future.
The investigation as I read it was in the handling of the disciplinary action not the incident itself, hence the tribunal award . Frankly I believe the handling of
situation was a compromise ,senior officers were wrong they should have sacked the officer for behavior unbecoming if the driver had been black they probably would have done .
[quote][p][bold]Over-by-yer[/bold] wrote: whatever you think of the original incident, it was investigated thoroughly with the conclusion being that Mr Baillon acted lawfully and acted within accepted guidelines and practices. Its very easy for people to criticise who have not been in the position that police officers find themselves in every day when confronted with potentially life threatening situations. We now know that Mr Whatley was only a 'dear old pensioner' but when confronted with Mr Whatley's torrent of abuse and very aggresive abehaviour, Mr Baillon did not know what this clown was trying to hide. Mr whatley chose to drive off and the rest is history. But as a previous poster has mentioned this whole situation arose from the way the senior management handled the matter immediately after the incident. This point has been conveniently lost amongst the sometimes sensational way the story has been reported. Its about time some serious questions were asked about the way the senior management dealt with the situation right from the start and would probably make better reading in the Argus. I wish Mr Baillon and his family the best of luck for the future.[/p][/quote]The investigation as I read it was in the handling of the disciplinary action not the incident itself, hence the tribunal award . Frankly I believe the handling of situation was a compromise ,senior officers were wrong they should have sacked the officer for behavior unbecoming if the driver had been black they probably would have done . coalpicker

12:11pm Thu 6 Feb 14

bobmech1 says...

The officer involved dud his job, perhaps smashing the window was perhaps an error, but the driver drove off and failed to stop.
The video was posed by those unknown to embarrass the officer and the force, should have been dealt with. As a result the outcry and the behaviour of senior officer and Gwent police forced the officer to leave the force. It affected his families and his life and this is why he had won his case.
It's nothing to do with the actual incident.
The driver who sped off was prosecuted for the offences but was still awarded compensation for damage to his vehicle as it was deemed excessive force.
Having experienced how Gwent police handle incidents
I totally back the officer on his actions on perusing Gwent police for constructive dismissal.
He's not been compensated for the incident.
The officer involved dud his job, perhaps smashing the window was perhaps an error, but the driver drove off and failed to stop. The video was posed by those unknown to embarrass the officer and the force, should have been dealt with. As a result the outcry and the behaviour of senior officer and Gwent police forced the officer to leave the force. It affected his families and his life and this is why he had won his case. It's nothing to do with the actual incident. The driver who sped off was prosecuted for the offences but was still awarded compensation for damage to his vehicle as it was deemed excessive force. Having experienced how Gwent police handle incidents I totally back the officer on his actions on perusing Gwent police for constructive dismissal. He's not been compensated for the incident. bobmech1

12:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

welshmen says...

If the driver had stopped as ordered by the Police nothing would have happened, if the driver once stopped in the layby had got out of his 4X4 nothing would have happened, the Police are trained to deal with drivers that fail to stop with aggression, to distract the driver, gain entry and remove the driver and ignition keys, thus preventing the driver driving off and killing a member of the public or a Police officer or his self, Completely blown out of ALL PROPORTION....a waste of over £500,000.00 +....
If the driver had stopped as ordered by the Police nothing would have happened, if the driver once stopped in the layby had got out of his 4X4 nothing would have happened, the Police are trained to deal with drivers that fail to stop with aggression, to distract the driver, gain entry and remove the driver and ignition keys, thus preventing the driver driving off and killing a member of the public or a Police officer or his self, Completely blown out of ALL PROPORTION....a waste of over £500,000.00 +.... welshmen

12:58pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Welsholdgit says...

I accept that Mr Baillon was cleared but is he aware that there is a handle on most car doors and if one were to pull it, it opens the door. I did note that he made no attempt to try this proceedure, so I assume he was unaware that these new fangled things existed. I also wonder if the judge/magistrate were to become a victim of such aggression as did that 74 year old, would he/she have the same compassion toward Mr Baillon?
I accept that Mr Baillon was cleared but is he aware that there is a handle on most car doors and if one were to pull it, it opens the door. I did note that he made no attempt to try this proceedure, so I assume he was unaware that these new fangled things existed. I also wonder if the judge/magistrate were to become a victim of such aggression as did that 74 year old, would he/she have the same compassion toward Mr Baillon? Welsholdgit

2:13pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Jomcneil2373 says...

Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over. Jomcneil2373

5:03pm Thu 6 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
[quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting jimmysmith

5:13pm Thu 6 Feb 14

endthelies says...

jimmysmith wrote:
Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting[/p][/quote]You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too. endthelies

6:51pm Thu 6 Feb 14

thats the one says...

jimmysmith wrote:
Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
i totally agree with you, the officer acted like a mad man,
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting[/p][/quote]i totally agree with you, the officer acted like a mad man, thats the one

8:20pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Bobbins75 says...

A comedy of errors by all concerned has resulted in this farcical payout. Once again the real losers here are the taxpayers of Gwent.
A comedy of errors by all concerned has resulted in this farcical payout. Once again the real losers here are the taxpayers of Gwent. Bobbins75

8:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Limestonecowboy says...

The term 'pensioner' is used in a context as a poor innocent old dear. However would this be the case when the same pensioner drove off after failing to stop & cause a fatality? then that person has no more rights than a boy racer. The action of the police is not in question the case concerns the subsequent bullying of the police officer.
The term 'pensioner' is used in a context as a poor innocent old dear. However would this be the case when the same pensioner drove off after failing to stop & cause a fatality? then that person has no more rights than a boy racer. The action of the police is not in question the case concerns the subsequent bullying of the police officer. Limestonecowboy

10:15pm Thu 6 Feb 14

zooport37 says...

Has the Argus and other media sources said sorry to the former officer, as they portrayed him as a brutal person with no regard for public safety. Quick to jump on the bandwagon to slate this chap, but stagnant to admit they ploughed into a story without all the facts. Very poor journalism.
Has the Argus and other media sources said sorry to the former officer, as they portrayed him as a brutal person with no regard for public safety. Quick to jump on the bandwagon to slate this chap, but stagnant to admit they ploughed into a story without all the facts. Very poor journalism. zooport37

11:59pm Thu 6 Feb 14

coalpicker says...

Kevin Ward - Editor wrote:
Comments were temporarily suspended on this article while we took legal advice concerning one comment that received a number of complaints.
Please be aware that Mr Bailon was cleared of any wrongdoing concerning the incident recorded on video.
Posters should remind themselves of our terms and conditions and remember they have the ultimate legal responsibility for what they post.

Thanks

Kevin Ward
Editor
South Wales Argus
Kevin did you see and hear the comments Portillo made on BBC THIS WEEK,
your police posters should be ashamed of the spectacle they are supporting.
[quote][p][bold]Kevin Ward - Editor[/bold] wrote: Comments were temporarily suspended on this article while we took legal advice concerning one comment that received a number of complaints. Please be aware that Mr Bailon was cleared of any wrongdoing concerning the incident recorded on video. Posters should remind themselves of our terms and conditions and remember they have the ultimate legal responsibility for what they post. Thanks Kevin Ward Editor South Wales Argus[/p][/quote]Kevin did you see and hear the comments Portillo made on BBC THIS WEEK, your police posters should be ashamed of the spectacle they are supporting. coalpicker

6:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

endthelies wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.
no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting[/p][/quote]You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.[/p][/quote]no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke . jimmysmith

6:27pm Fri 7 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

zooport37 wrote:
Has the Argus and other media sources said sorry to the former officer, as they portrayed him as a brutal person with no regard for public safety. Quick to jump on the bandwagon to slate this chap, but stagnant to admit they ploughed into a story without all the facts. Very poor journalism.
the facts are there for all to see .so have another look at the footage and then tell me that he couldnt and didnt know who was in the vehicle before he attacked it and smashed his way in without any regard for the elderly mans nor any one elses safety .and if your memory serves you well youl recall there was as there is now a public out cry .the argus has only printed the facts and the public has once again voiced theyre out rage .
[quote][p][bold]zooport37[/bold] wrote: Has the Argus and other media sources said sorry to the former officer, as they portrayed him as a brutal person with no regard for public safety. Quick to jump on the bandwagon to slate this chap, but stagnant to admit they ploughed into a story without all the facts. Very poor journalism.[/p][/quote]the facts are there for all to see .so have another look at the footage and then tell me that he couldnt and didnt know who was in the vehicle before he attacked it and smashed his way in without any regard for the elderly mans nor any one elses safety .and if your memory serves you well youl recall there was as there is now a public out cry .the argus has only printed the facts and the public has once again voiced theyre out rage . jimmysmith

10:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

endthelies says...

jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.
no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .
I'm not sure if this post was aimed at me but I am not, never have been, never will be, not married to or the parent of a police officer. All the guy had to do was stop the car when he new he was being pursued. He chose not to.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting[/p][/quote]You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.[/p][/quote]no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .[/p][/quote]I'm not sure if this post was aimed at me but I am not, never have been, never will be, not married to or the parent of a police officer. All the guy had to do was stop the car when he new he was being pursued. He chose not to. endthelies

10:02pm Fri 7 Feb 14

endthelies says...

P.s If he was recovering from a stroke, how was he behind the wheel. I didn't think it was allowed although I could be wrong.
P.s If he was recovering from a stroke, how was he behind the wheel. I didn't think it was allowed although I could be wrong. endthelies

10:25pm Fri 7 Feb 14

endthelies says...

jimmysmith wrote:
zooport37 wrote:
Has the Argus and other media sources said sorry to the former officer, as they portrayed him as a brutal person with no regard for public safety. Quick to jump on the bandwagon to slate this chap, but stagnant to admit they ploughed into a story without all the facts. Very poor journalism.
the facts are there for all to see .so have another look at the footage and then tell me that he couldnt and didnt know who was in the vehicle before he attacked it and smashed his way in without any regard for the elderly mans nor any one elses safety .and if your memory serves you well youl recall there was as there is now a public out cry .the argus has only printed the facts and the public has once again voiced theyre out rage .
Out of curiosity, Have a look at the pensioners number plate on youtube and tell me what it says phonetically.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zooport37[/bold] wrote: Has the Argus and other media sources said sorry to the former officer, as they portrayed him as a brutal person with no regard for public safety. Quick to jump on the bandwagon to slate this chap, but stagnant to admit they ploughed into a story without all the facts. Very poor journalism.[/p][/quote]the facts are there for all to see .so have another look at the footage and then tell me that he couldnt and didnt know who was in the vehicle before he attacked it and smashed his way in without any regard for the elderly mans nor any one elses safety .and if your memory serves you well youl recall there was as there is now a public out cry .the argus has only printed the facts and the public has once again voiced theyre out rage .[/p][/quote]Out of curiosity, Have a look at the pensioners number plate on youtube and tell me what it says phonetically. endthelies

3:22pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Lizwerry says...

jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.
no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .
This "frail, old man" who was driving a 2.5 tonne vehicle, not a soft, fluffy pillow. The force wasn't used against him, it was against his vehicle in order to prevent him committing further offences and potentially injuring someone. And "smashed up?" lol, hardly SWA.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting[/p][/quote]You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.[/p][/quote]no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .[/p][/quote]This "frail, old man" who was driving a 2.5 tonne vehicle, not a soft, fluffy pillow. The force wasn't used against him, it was against his vehicle in order to prevent him committing further offences and potentially injuring someone. And "smashed up?" lol, hardly SWA. Lizwerry

4:43pm Sat 8 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

Lizwerry wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
Jomcneil2373 wrote:
Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.
what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting
You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.
no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .
This "frail, old man" who was driving a 2.5 tonne vehicle, not a soft, fluffy pillow. The force wasn't used against him, it was against his vehicle in order to prevent him committing further offences and potentially injuring someone. And "smashed up?" lol, hardly SWA.
yes the frail old man whos vehicle was stationary and going no where. when it was savagely attacked by this gung ho .excuse of a police man .the same policeman whos been rumoured to have mental health problems and the same policeman whos actions so disgusted his comrades they didnt want to work with him or be assosciated with him to the extent that they ridiculed him. shame on him and the system thats so flawed it allowed him to be awarded this gross amount of tax payers money
[quote][p][bold]Lizwerry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jomcneil2373[/bold] wrote: Good to see people sticking up for the police officer. The press never give an honest account of the real story as it wouldn't sell so many papers and get so many people enraged. Yes there are good and bad people in every profession, but PC Baillon is a good family man who was doing his job getting a man who was in a reportedly stolen vehicle, who had driven off when pulled over, and was driving dangerously through a narrow lane without a seatbelt. The window was smashed in order to retrieve the keys of the vehicle so he couldn't drive off again as he had previously. If he had crashed into a child, or someone out riding their horse in a rural lane, or indeed gone through the windscreen as a result of not wearing his seatbelt, I am pretty sure people would have had something to say about why the police hadn't stopped him before then. It is the other officers who are to blame for this even going to court ,as, had they supported their fellow officers actions, he wouldn't have felt he could not continue in his profession as a police officer. I am more cross the car driver got compensation for damage to his car!!!! Anyway, rant over.[/p][/quote]what an idiotic statement .this excuse for a policeman acted like a lunatic and terrified an harmless old man you fool and now hes been awarded this undeserved gross amount of money .absolutely disgusting[/p][/quote]You mean the harmless old man who was found guilty of speeding and failure to stop. The harmless old man that drove off whilst being questioned by police and then drove down country roads with police car sirens right behind him. Was this harmless old man deaf and blind too.[/p][/quote]no wonder the police are so disliked when theres morons like you in there .if he had been a young thug youd have left a terrible smell and run like rabbits .il repeat plod for the record he was a frail old man recovering from a stroke .[/p][/quote]This "frail, old man" who was driving a 2.5 tonne vehicle, not a soft, fluffy pillow. The force wasn't used against him, it was against his vehicle in order to prevent him committing further offences and potentially injuring someone. And "smashed up?" lol, hardly SWA.[/p][/quote]yes the frail old man whos vehicle was stationary and going no where. when it was savagely attacked by this gung ho .excuse of a police man .the same policeman whos been rumoured to have mental health problems and the same policeman whos actions so disgusted his comrades they didnt want to work with him or be assosciated with him to the extent that they ridiculed him. shame on him and the system thats so flawed it allowed him to be awarded this gross amount of tax payers money jimmysmith

5:09pm Sat 8 Feb 14

endthelies says...

The pensioner was paid at least £20, 000 for the damage to the car. He was also found guilty of motoring offences, including not stopping. Why did he therefore receive comp for having done the wrong thing. And what does that licence plate say phonetically. Have a close look because I think I know what it says.
The pensioner was paid at least £20, 000 for the damage to the car. He was also found guilty of motoring offences, including not stopping. Why did he therefore receive comp for having done the wrong thing. And what does that licence plate say phonetically. Have a close look because I think I know what it says. endthelies

5:46pm Sat 8 Feb 14

endthelies says...

He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.
He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more. endthelies

8:25pm Sat 8 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

endthelies wrote:
He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.
dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.[/p][/quote]dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ? jimmysmith

8:50pm Sat 8 Feb 14

endthelies says...

jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.
dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?
fair enough. if that's what you think. Its not what I think though. Sorry. What has people driving with mental health problems got to do with it though. As long as they are not breaking the law, then its fine.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.[/p][/quote]dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?[/p][/quote]fair enough. if that's what you think. Its not what I think though. Sorry. What has people driving with mental health problems got to do with it though. As long as they are not breaking the law, then its fine. endthelies

8:54pm Sat 8 Feb 14

endthelies says...

I'm only going from the report of the offences he was charged with, and apparently (I don't drive) he was fined for ILLEGAL tinted windows., nothing wrong with him having tinted windows if their legal though.
http://news.uk.msn.c
om/police-pay-out-ov
er-smashed-windows
I'm only going from the report of the offences he was charged with, and apparently (I don't drive) he was fined for ILLEGAL tinted windows., nothing wrong with him having tinted windows if their legal though. http://news.uk.msn.c om/police-pay-out-ov er-smashed-windows endthelies

7:40am Sun 9 Feb 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.
dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?
No police do not drive around with ILLEGAL tinted windows that have been applied after the purchase of the vehicle. Most windows have an acceptable tint to them to avoid glare etc.

I take it from your comments that you view the world through rose tinted specticles.

The law does not discriminate, doesn't matter your age, colour or status, a criminal is a criminal. If he was so frail he should not have been driving end of discusion. If he was a law abiding citizen then he would not have driven off. If he despiratly needed to get home then the officer would have taken this into concideration. The guy drove off however and did not stop until he saw that a spike strip was place across the road. Everything the guy did that day in the range rover was highly suspisius and the police had to act accordingly.

Range Rovers are a highly likely target of car jacking etc, therefore the doors lock automatically and the windows are designed not to be easily broken, this is why the officer took so many attempts to break the window, each time probably hitting it harder so not to hit too hard smash straight through and actually hit the guy as the aim is to gain entry and not cause injury.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.[/p][/quote]dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?[/p][/quote]No police do not drive around with ILLEGAL tinted windows that have been applied after the purchase of the vehicle. Most windows have an acceptable tint to them to avoid glare etc. I take it from your comments that you view the world through rose tinted specticles. The law does not discriminate, doesn't matter your age, colour or status, a criminal is a criminal. If he was so frail he should not have been driving end of discusion. If he was a law abiding citizen then he would not have driven off. If he despiratly needed to get home then the officer would have taken this into concideration. The guy drove off however and did not stop until he saw that a spike strip was place across the road. Everything the guy did that day in the range rover was highly suspisius and the police had to act accordingly. Range Rovers are a highly likely target of car jacking etc, therefore the doors lock automatically and the windows are designed not to be easily broken, this is why the officer took so many attempts to break the window, each time probably hitting it harder so not to hit too hard smash straight through and actually hit the guy as the aim is to gain entry and not cause injury. grumpyandopinionated

1:59pm Sun 9 Feb 14

jimmysmith says...

grumpyandopinionated wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.
dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?
No police do not drive around with ILLEGAL tinted windows that have been applied after the purchase of the vehicle. Most windows have an acceptable tint to them to avoid glare etc.

I take it from your comments that you view the world through rose tinted specticles.

The law does not discriminate, doesn't matter your age, colour or status, a criminal is a criminal. If he was so frail he should not have been driving end of discusion. If he was a law abiding citizen then he would not have driven off. If he despiratly needed to get home then the officer would have taken this into concideration. The guy drove off however and did not stop until he saw that a spike strip was place across the road. Everything the guy did that day in the range rover was highly suspisius and the police had to act accordingly.

Range Rovers are a highly likely target of car jacking etc, therefore the doors lock automatically and the windows are designed not to be easily broken, this is why the officer took so many attempts to break the window, each time probably hitting it harder so not to hit too hard smash straight through and actually hit the guy as the aim is to gain entry and not cause injury.
listen pal you dont bluff me .the old age pensioner had every right to drive his vehicle and it wasnt modified either with a tint to his window as your trying to imply .the law does discriminate because the only criminal that day from the EVIDENCE IS YOU smashing your way into that poor mans vehicle who was terrified .YOU should have gone to jail .i dont look at the world through rose tinted glasses either my eyesight is very good thank you i can quite clearly see through you for what you are .now do the decent thing and give that money back to the tax payer because you dont DESERVE IT
[quote][p][bold]grumpyandopinionated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.[/p][/quote]dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?[/p][/quote]No police do not drive around with ILLEGAL tinted windows that have been applied after the purchase of the vehicle. Most windows have an acceptable tint to them to avoid glare etc. I take it from your comments that you view the world through rose tinted specticles. The law does not discriminate, doesn't matter your age, colour or status, a criminal is a criminal. If he was so frail he should not have been driving end of discusion. If he was a law abiding citizen then he would not have driven off. If he despiratly needed to get home then the officer would have taken this into concideration. The guy drove off however and did not stop until he saw that a spike strip was place across the road. Everything the guy did that day in the range rover was highly suspisius and the police had to act accordingly. Range Rovers are a highly likely target of car jacking etc, therefore the doors lock automatically and the windows are designed not to be easily broken, this is why the officer took so many attempts to break the window, each time probably hitting it harder so not to hit too hard smash straight through and actually hit the guy as the aim is to gain entry and not cause injury.[/p][/quote]listen pal you dont bluff me .the old age pensioner had every right to drive his vehicle and it wasnt modified either with a tint to his window as your trying to imply .the law does discriminate because the only criminal that day from the EVIDENCE IS YOU smashing your way into that poor mans vehicle who was terrified .YOU should have gone to jail .i dont look at the world through rose tinted glasses either my eyesight is very good thank you i can quite clearly see through you for what you are .now do the decent thing and give that money back to the tax payer because you dont DESERVE IT jimmysmith

3:20pm Sun 9 Feb 14

endthelies says...

The was actually found guilty of having unlawful tinted windows. That's in all the reports from the time that he was prosecuted. You are accusing everyone of being police officers. Are you in fact related to this pensioner by any chance.
The was actually found guilty of having unlawful tinted windows. That's in all the reports from the time that he was prosecuted. You are accusing everyone of being police officers. Are you in fact related to this pensioner by any chance. endthelies

3:34pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Lizwerry says...

Jimmy boy, have a listen to this and go to 07.50 on it.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=N4569wp5f
Ig

Whatley admits he only said he thought he was being escorted home because his solicitor told him to.
The cop has justified himself to every single authority that has had cause to make a decision on him. You can go on all you like about what you think on the matter based on what you have read in the papers but have a listen to this interview tape and the other one on there. You will hear for your very self that Whatley has been staggeringly economical with the truth.
Why do the SWA continue on this smear campaign when the evidence is so overwhelming that they, like Gwent Police, have got this one completely wrong?
Jimmy boy, have a listen to this and go to 07.50 on it. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=N4569wp5f Ig Whatley admits he only said he thought he was being escorted home because his solicitor told him to. The cop has justified himself to every single authority that has had cause to make a decision on him. You can go on all you like about what you think on the matter based on what you have read in the papers but have a listen to this interview tape and the other one on there. You will hear for your very self that Whatley has been staggeringly economical with the truth. Why do the SWA continue on this smear campaign when the evidence is so overwhelming that they, like Gwent Police, have got this one completely wrong? Lizwerry

5:22pm Sun 9 Feb 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

jimmysmith wrote:
grumpyandopinionated wrote:
jimmysmith wrote:
endthelies wrote:
He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.
dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?
No police do not drive around with ILLEGAL tinted windows that have been applied after the purchase of the vehicle. Most windows have an acceptable tint to them to avoid glare etc.

I take it from your comments that you view the world through rose tinted specticles.

The law does not discriminate, doesn't matter your age, colour or status, a criminal is a criminal. If he was so frail he should not have been driving end of discusion. If he was a law abiding citizen then he would not have driven off. If he despiratly needed to get home then the officer would have taken this into concideration. The guy drove off however and did not stop until he saw that a spike strip was place across the road. Everything the guy did that day in the range rover was highly suspisius and the police had to act accordingly.

Range Rovers are a highly likely target of car jacking etc, therefore the doors lock automatically and the windows are designed not to be easily broken, this is why the officer took so many attempts to break the window, each time probably hitting it harder so not to hit too hard smash straight through and actually hit the guy as the aim is to gain entry and not cause injury.
listen pal you dont bluff me .the old age pensioner had every right to drive his vehicle and it wasnt modified either with a tint to his window as your trying to imply .the law does discriminate because the only criminal that day from the EVIDENCE IS YOU smashing your way into that poor mans vehicle who was terrified .YOU should have gone to jail .i dont look at the world through rose tinted glasses either my eyesight is very good thank you i can quite clearly see through you for what you are .now do the decent thing and give that money back to the tax payer because you dont DESERVE IT
Omg how warped is your views on life. Everybody has a right to drive, but not drive away from the police when they question you. This was not a poor old pensioner. This was a guy who commited an offence, if he was so frail that he could not have the sense of mind to realise that he was in the wrong then he should not have been driving in the first place.

It's strange that the only person found guilty is the one that is being seen as innocent and the one that is innocent and was just doing his job is being treated like a criminal. I actually find this disgusting, as much as some police officers maybe viewed as complete numpties which is also my view, as a whole they do do a dangerous job, and no matter what when ever you really need them they are always just a phone call away. What would the world come to if police could not intervien during fights, riots and thefts if they could not do what they do to protect the public and themselves.

It's simply that the guy in the range rover is at fault. END OF STORY!!!
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]grumpyandopinionated[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: He also had illegal tinted windows. Now why would a pensioner want tinted windows and a non regulation vehicle registration number. Hmmm. Now if I was recovering from a stroke, which nearly always affects vision, why on earth would I have tinted windows which could disrupt my vision even more.[/p][/quote]dont the police drive around with tinted windows ?and why shouldnt a pensioner have tinted windows ? maybe you should be taking the matter of tinted windows up with the makers of the vehicle and the question if illegalities with the government .my assumption is the gentleman bought the vehicle as it was .personally i think your gripes though are just signs of desperation for credibility to your pathetic argument .ps by the way whats your take on people driving whilst suspected of suffering mental problems ?[/p][/quote]No police do not drive around with ILLEGAL tinted windows that have been applied after the purchase of the vehicle. Most windows have an acceptable tint to them to avoid glare etc. I take it from your comments that you view the world through rose tinted specticles. The law does not discriminate, doesn't matter your age, colour or status, a criminal is a criminal. If he was so frail he should not have been driving end of discusion. If he was a law abiding citizen then he would not have driven off. If he despiratly needed to get home then the officer would have taken this into concideration. The guy drove off however and did not stop until he saw that a spike strip was place across the road. Everything the guy did that day in the range rover was highly suspisius and the police had to act accordingly. Range Rovers are a highly likely target of car jacking etc, therefore the doors lock automatically and the windows are designed not to be easily broken, this is why the officer took so many attempts to break the window, each time probably hitting it harder so not to hit too hard smash straight through and actually hit the guy as the aim is to gain entry and not cause injury.[/p][/quote]listen pal you dont bluff me .the old age pensioner had every right to drive his vehicle and it wasnt modified either with a tint to his window as your trying to imply .the law does discriminate because the only criminal that day from the EVIDENCE IS YOU smashing your way into that poor mans vehicle who was terrified .YOU should have gone to jail .i dont look at the world through rose tinted glasses either my eyesight is very good thank you i can quite clearly see through you for what you are .now do the decent thing and give that money back to the tax payer because you dont DESERVE IT[/p][/quote]Omg how warped is your views on life. Everybody has a right to drive, but not drive away from the police when they question you. This was not a poor old pensioner. This was a guy who commited an offence, if he was so frail that he could not have the sense of mind to realise that he was in the wrong then he should not have been driving in the first place. It's strange that the only person found guilty is the one that is being seen as innocent and the one that is innocent and was just doing his job is being treated like a criminal. I actually find this disgusting, as much as some police officers maybe viewed as complete numpties which is also my view, as a whole they do do a dangerous job, and no matter what when ever you really need them they are always just a phone call away. What would the world come to if police could not intervien during fights, riots and thefts if they could not do what they do to protect the public and themselves. It's simply that the guy in the range rover is at fault. END OF STORY!!! grumpyandopinionated

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