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11:11am Fri 7 Feb 14

Poolerkev says...

85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.
85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them. Poolerkev
  • Score: 29

12:26pm Fri 7 Feb 14

john.hall1000 says...

Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.
Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop. john.hall1000
  • Score: 14

12:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heresphil says...

Terrrible news - I'd like to know where the contract has gone. Surely M&S can't send cakemaking offshore?

I hope there is a realistic possiblilty of alternative work very quickly.
Terrrible news - I'd like to know where the contract has gone. Surely M&S can't send cakemaking offshore? I hope there is a realistic possiblilty of alternative work very quickly. heresphil
  • Score: 9

1:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

DavidMclean says...

Poolerkev wrote:
85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.
To be fair to Avana, this was a long running contract, and they will only have so much capacity for extra contracts. However I appreciate your comment and 'all-your-eggs-in-on
e-basket' is a fair sentiment, but this is quite a unique situation and after 75 years must be a terrible shock for the company.

You have to feel for the employees.
[quote][p][bold]Poolerkev[/bold] wrote: 85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.[/p][/quote]To be fair to Avana, this was a long running contract, and they will only have so much capacity for extra contracts. However I appreciate your comment and 'all-your-eggs-in-on e-basket' is a fair sentiment, but this is quite a unique situation and after 75 years must be a terrible shock for the company. You have to feel for the employees. DavidMclean
  • Score: 22

1:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales

http://www.parkcake.
com/
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/ Bobevans
  • Score: 3

2:04pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Melvyn The Milk says...

john.hall1000 wrote:
Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.
Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !!
[quote][p][bold]john.hall1000[/bold] wrote: Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.[/p][/quote]Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !! Melvyn The Milk
  • Score: -12

2:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/
What costs ? specify
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]What costs ? specify Mr Angry
  • Score: 1

2:42pm Fri 7 Feb 14

john.hall1000 says...

Melvyn The Milk wrote:
john.hall1000 wrote:
Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.
Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !!
Thank god i don't live in newport then. The way m&s are going it will not belong before they move out of newport for good.
[quote][p][bold]Melvyn The Milk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]john.hall1000[/bold] wrote: Simple thing to do dont shop at m&s, hurt them by making their sales drop.[/p][/quote]Wonderful small-minded mentality. Is there any wonder companies switch elsewhere with such attitudes around in Newport? In case you hadn't noticed, the lack of customers in Newport has already forced M and S to move out of the city centre !![/p][/quote]Thank god i don't live in newport then. The way m&s are going it will not belong before they move out of newport for good. john.hall1000
  • Score: 5

3:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

heresphil says...

Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales.

I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4.
Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales. I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4. heresphil
  • Score: 19

3:22pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Bobevans wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/
What costs ? specify
WHAT COSTS???????- ANSWER
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]What costs ? specify[/p][/quote]WHAT COSTS???????- ANSWER Mr Angry
  • Score: -8

3:57pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gareth says...

Give it a rest mr angry ffs.
Give it a rest mr angry ffs. Gareth
  • Score: 10

4:45pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Magor says...

I work in Bristol and met one of my suppliers this week he told me things are booming in England and in South Wales its dead, nothing going on.He also said that firms are re-locating to England.Something wrong.
I work in Bristol and met one of my suppliers this week he told me things are booming in England and in South Wales its dead, nothing going on.He also said that firms are re-locating to England.Something wrong. Magor
  • Score: 14

4:52pm Fri 7 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs !
Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs ! BobEvams2014
  • Score: 1

5:01pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Magor says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs !
You have a good point Bob.Most suppliers to Supermarkets now employ migrant workers on low pay so this is what happens,they can undercut firms like Avana.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: Vote UKIP and Nigel will save your jobs ![/p][/quote]You have a good point Bob.Most suppliers to Supermarkets now employ migrant workers on low pay so this is what happens,they can undercut firms like Avana. Magor
  • Score: 11

5:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

Gareth wrote:
Give it a rest mr angry ffs.
Now hold on Bob Evans comes on here and makes some stupid sweepiing statement regarding high costs, I've challenged him to explain these costs, he won't, or more probably can't, do you think he should be allowed to make false statements unchallenged, and get away with it ?
[quote][p][bold]Gareth[/bold] wrote: Give it a rest mr angry ffs.[/p][/quote]Now hold on Bob Evans comes on here and makes some stupid sweepiing statement regarding high costs, I've challenged him to explain these costs, he won't, or more probably can't, do you think he should be allowed to make false statements unchallenged, and get away with it ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 2

5:23pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gareth says...

This happens. Any business will want to reduce the costs in its supply chain. Sometimes an area wins. Sometimes it loses. I've changed my printer from one in oxford to one in gloucester. It's small fry in the scheme of things, but i have a duty of care to my business and staff, and not my suppliers. yes, the MP/AM is going to complain; its their job in front of their electorate - but the quicker we grow up and realise the world/govt doesn't actually owe us all a living, the better.
This happens. Any business will want to reduce the costs in its supply chain. Sometimes an area wins. Sometimes it loses. I've changed my printer from one in oxford to one in gloucester. It's small fry in the scheme of things, but i have a duty of care to my business and staff, and not my suppliers. yes, the MP/AM is going to complain; its their job in front of their electorate - but the quicker we grow up and realise the world/govt doesn't actually owe us all a living, the better. Gareth
  • Score: 5

5:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gareth says...

I've read your posts over the years, Mr A, and i know you are intelligent enough to know that a single supplier makes the overall cost of the supply chain less than having two. It's bad news for avana, but not rocket science. It doesn't seem the right forum for u to pursue a personal battle with your foe, that's alle.. You know what i mean :-)
I've read your posts over the years, Mr A, and i know you are intelligent enough to know that a single supplier makes the overall cost of the supply chain less than having two. It's bad news for avana, but not rocket science. It doesn't seem the right forum for u to pursue a personal battle with your foe, that's alle.. You know what i mean :-) Gareth
  • Score: 5

5:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Magor says...

heresphil wrote:
Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales.

I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4.
May be not this time,but it must be a deterrent for new job creation.WAG have got to sort out the bridge toll and the M4 ASAP.
[quote][p][bold]heresphil[/bold] wrote: Obviously the details of the contract are commercially confidential but I do not understand how costs can be lower in Greater Manchester that in South Wales. I hope the decision was not based upon the deterrents of the bridge tolls or the inadequacies of the M4.[/p][/quote]May be not this time,but it must be a deterrent for new job creation.WAG have got to sort out the bridge toll and the M4 ASAP. Magor
  • Score: 9

6:09pm Fri 7 Feb 14

digispamman says...

no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too. digispamman
  • Score: -3

6:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

gwentman64 says...

why dont they sell their cakes themselves ? why not continue producing them under their own name so they can be sold in tesco, asda etc they might do a roaring trade if they cost less than at m+s
why dont they sell their cakes themselves ? why not continue producing them under their own name so they can be sold in tesco, asda etc they might do a roaring trade if they cost less than at m+s gwentman64
  • Score: 14

6:59pm Fri 7 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

digispamman wrote:
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
You beat me to it.

Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.
[quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

7:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

thomas35 says...

Garments in Marks and Sparks at Spytty manaufactured in China ,India,Bangladesh,Tu
rkey , and Madagascar..(They also sell Cornish pasties).. .Globalisation, Multinational companies, Stockmarkets etc...they are the governments of today!!
Garments in Marks and Sparks at Spytty manaufactured in China ,India,Bangladesh,Tu rkey , and Madagascar..(They also sell Cornish pasties).. .Globalisation, Multinational companies, Stockmarkets etc...they are the governments of today!! thomas35
  • Score: 8

7:46pm Fri 7 Feb 14

digispamman says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
digispamman wrote:
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
You beat me to it.

Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.
yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period.
they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.[/p][/quote]yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period. they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt. digispamman
  • Score: 9

7:51pm Fri 7 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

digispamman wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
digispamman wrote:
no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.
You beat me to it.

Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.
yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period.
they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt.
Indeed. It's inexcusable for companies to hire long term staff through employment agencies, who then take a considerable amount of the worker's value to the company in exchange for supplying workers who have less rights, and can be dropped for no reason with no notice.
[quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]digispamman[/bold] wrote: no great loss, most of the jobs were low paid, low skilled and temporary. it is a horrible place to work too.[/p][/quote]You beat me to it. Yes - there may be 650 jobs lost but I expect more than 600 of them were only earning a pound an hour or so over what the'd get on benefits, working for agencies who do nothing but leech off employers and emplyees and offer nothing in terms of security or stability.[/p][/quote]yeah, when i was a teenager they were known as "hire em, fire em". most of their jobs only lasting over the festive period. they had a great reputation for treating youngsters like dirt.[/p][/quote]Indeed. It's inexcusable for companies to hire long term staff through employment agencies, who then take a considerable amount of the worker's value to the company in exchange for supplying workers who have less rights, and can be dropped for no reason with no notice. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 5

11:56am Sat 8 Feb 14

exglamorgan says...

Have Avana looked into delivering cakes directly to people's homes using couriers and some clever packaging? There are occasions to celebrate all year round and even more with our country's increasing multiculturism, and maybe occasions that haven't been thought up yet. There is also the possibility of sending cakes abroad .
Have Avana looked into delivering cakes directly to people's homes using couriers and some clever packaging? There are occasions to celebrate all year round and even more with our country's increasing multiculturism, and maybe occasions that haven't been thought up yet. There is also the possibility of sending cakes abroad . exglamorgan
  • Score: 3

12:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

pbhj says...

Bobevans wrote:
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales

http://www.parkcake.

com/
How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham?

Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013.

http://righttowork.o
rg.uk/2011/09/bakers
-union-to-ballot-at-
park-cakes/
http://www.bfawu.org
/view_news.php?ID=10
2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'"

Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security.

M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course).
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham? Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013. http://righttowork.o rg.uk/2011/09/bakers -union-to-ballot-at- park-cakes/ http://www.bfawu.org /view_news.php?ID=10 2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'" Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security. M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course). pbhj
  • Score: 6

4:52pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Poolerkev wrote:
85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.
BAD MANAGEMENT once again almost like Alcan, the money those guys earn for mucking things up !
Who suffers the most ????
The low paid workers suffer !!!!
[quote][p][bold]Poolerkev[/bold] wrote: 85% of the business was with M&S??? What a crazy situation that is, no wonder this has such a big impact. Good luck to those loyal staff who face such uncertainty at the moment. Hope this gets resolved very soon for them.[/p][/quote]BAD MANAGEMENT once again almost like Alcan, the money those guys earn for mucking things up ! Who suffers the most ???? The low paid workers suffer !!!! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 4

2:37pm Sun 9 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

pbhj wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales

http://www.parkcake.


com/
How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham?

Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013.

http://righttowork.o

rg.uk/2011/09/bakers

-union-to-ballot-at-

park-cakes/
http://www.bfawu.org

/view_news.php?ID=10

2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'"

Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security.

M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course).
Please dont query or challenge Bob Evans regarding costs , he tells lies so expect a reply, he just multi posts to mark anti Bob comments dowm
[quote][p][bold]pbhj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The work has not been offshored it has gone to Park Bakeries in Oldham. Costs are getting to high in Wales http://www.parkcake. com/[/p][/quote]How are costs too high in Wales compared with Oldham? Interestingly Park Cakes is owned by Vision Capital an equity investment firm whose interest in Park Cakes was apparently supposed to end in March 2013. http://righttowork.o rg.uk/2011/09/bakers -union-to-ballot-at- park-cakes/ http://www.bfawu.org /view_news.php?ID=10 2 "Union attacks employer's attempt to introduce 'slave labour'" Gives some very interesting background including that Park are an established Marks & Spencer supplier and that Park Cakes appear to be playing the system in order to ensure they can pay their staff the lowest possible wages and give them the lowest possible job security. M&S can't off-shore cakes because of the nature of the product but it appears that M&S can put their lot in with those who want to work the system in order to pay workers the least amount possible by law (but still pay director's and shareholders more than amply of course).[/p][/quote]Please dont query or challenge Bob Evans regarding costs , he tells lies so expect a reply, he just multi posts to mark anti Bob comments dowm Mr Angry
  • Score: -2

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