LiveUK Budget 2014

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Summary

  • Key Points for Gwent and Wales:
  • Legislation to give Welsh Government tax and borrowing powers to fund infrastructure needs, including improvements to M4
  • Cap on carbon price floor - backed by steelworkers' Community Union
  • Beer duty cut by 1%, cider taxes frozen
  • £140bn repairs for flood damage
  • Exemption on VAT for inshore rescue boat services good for Gwent's Severn Area Rescue Association
  • £10m support to Scouts, Guides and St John Ambulance

4:29pm

Robert Lloyd Griffiths, Director of the Institute of Directors in Wales, said: “This is a responsible and imaginative Budget which should promote growth, exports and investment. It will be widely welcomed across the business community.

“We applaud the strengthening of the link between savers and business investment, through ISA and pension reforms. This has the potential to bring profound change, shifting our culture from debt to savings.

4:28pm

South Wales Argus:

Graeme Yorston, chief executive of Principality Building Society, said: “Today’s budget shows that economic recovery is underway and increasing confidence in the economy and growth in job creation has resulted in the Office for Budget Responsibility making improved revisions to the growth forecast over the coming years.

“There has been a growth in the housing market over the last few months and an extension in the Help to Buy equity scheme would help to provide longer-term support for homebuyers.


“Although there has been no announcement on the Help to Buy- Wales scheme an extension of it would be another useful addition to a range of measures to help ensure that potential buyers can access funding

4:24pm

South Wales Argus:

Louise Evans, Managing Partner and Head of Tax for Grant Thornton at its Wales office in Cardiff, said: “Some measures in today’s Budget are welcome, such as the increase in the annual investment allowance to £500,000, and the further extension of the Export Finance to £3billion with lower interest costs to those who access it.  But the Chancellor could – and should – have done more to boost investment and jobs creation.”

Louise added, “A Budget for savers and pensioners can’t be begrudged. Surely today's focus should be on growth though? Stimulating growth in the dynamic growth orientated companies that innovate, export and employ should have been higher up the agenda.”

4:22pm

Commenting on today’s Budget, Labour’s Shadow Welsh Secretary, Owen Smith MP, said:

“The Budget was a near final opportunity for the Chancellor to show that he finally gets it, that he understands the difficulties being faced by families across Wales. Unfortunately, George Osborne failed that test and there was little in this Budget to alleviate the cost of living crisis being experienced by people every day on every street in Wales.

“The truth is that for people in work and seeking work, taxes are up and living standards are down and all this Budget did for that hard-working majority was rub their faces in it, by suggesting they might invest more of their savings in a tax-free ISA.

“Where does George Osborne think these savings are when most people can barely afford to pay for the basics without going into the red?  It’s the same out-of-touch mentality that made them think it was okay to give a tax cut to millionaires. Everyone, even Michael Gove, knows that this is a preposterously privileged Tory cabinet that can’t begin to understand the lives of the people they claim to represent.

“Working people in Britain won’t be patronised or fooled with gimmicks like a penny off a pint of beer or cutting taxes for bingo halls. They know they need a government that will deliver meaningful changes to the cost of living, to wages and to job security, changes that only Labour will deliver.”

4:21pm

4:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Frankfurt says

Magor wrote:
No more excuses get the M4 built now.
But why do we have to pay for it instead of the UK government. If Wales borrows money, Wales has to pay it back. I thought that motorways were a national concern not a regional one.

4:20pm

The secretary of state for Wales David Jones said today's Budget “makes clear that the Government's commitment to strong, sustainable and balanced growth is working and that businesses and families across Wales will continue to benefit from the economic recovery.”

He said: "I was particularly pleased to see that the Chancellor unveiled a radical package of measures to cut energy costs. This will be a welcome boost to the energy intensive industries that employ thousands of people across Wales as well as cutting energy bills for hardworking households too.

"Tomorrow I will introduce the Wales Bill which will give new tax and spending powers to Wales. However, it will be up the Welsh government to seize the opportunity and drive forward Wales's economic growth with the new powers that are being offered.

"We know that the job is not done and there is more to do, but what this Government has shown is that by sticking to its economic plan we can deliver a brighter economic future for the people of Wales."

2:49pm

Janet Jones of the Federation of Small Businesses said the budget offered a clear signal for businesses to grow through the increased investment allowance and a focus on manufacturing. The £7 billion package to cut manufacturing energy bills will help create jobs and strengthen this key sector.

She added: “With around 57 per cent of FSB members across the UK wanting to grow in the next 12 months, doubling the Annual Investment Allowance for small firms to the end of 2015 will provide certainty and allow them to realise their investment expectations. 

"This is something we called for. Recent FSB research showed that only two per cent of members knew about the recent increase to £250,000 – meaning most firms hadn’t taken advantage of it. This change should encourage greater investment and it is key that the Government increases communication about the allowance.”

“When it comes specifically to Wales we will have to wait until the impending publication of the Wales Bill for clarification on important issues such as the devolution of business rates. While we note the Chancellor’s mention of borrowing powers for improvements to the M4, this is very much a re-iteration of a previous announcement.”

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2:31pm

South Wales Argus: TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady says the Government is trying to 'brainwash people into thinking the UK has a rife compensation culture'

TUC General Secretary Frances O’Grady said today's budget was one of 'give-aways for the better-off'.

She said:  “This was a pre-election Budget, with its give-aways aimed at the better off rather than lifting the living standards of the many.

“It will be paid for by further years of austerity, public services brought to near collapse, public sector pay cuts and a welfare cap that bites into the safety net that any of us might need.

“The best news for the long-term health of the economy is the genuine help for manufacturing, but it was the exception in this highly political short-term Budget that continued the Chancellor’s project to shrink the state and help the rich.”

2:28pm

South Wales Argus: Network Rail has signed a multimillion-pound deal with steel manufacturers including Tata to supply rail for the next five years

Karl Koehler, CEO of Tata Steel's European operations, which include Newport’s Llanwern steelworks, said: “The Government's introduction of relief against the rapidly rising costs of carbon levies is welcome. Mitigation of the Renewables Obligation is a particularly good step forward, as it poses a very real risk to Britain's foundation industries.

“We remain concerned that the mitigation being offered will not come into effect for two years and we will be urging the Government to investigate whether it can be introduced earlier.

"UK foundation industries are under real pressure and unilateral carbon levies are a significant factor restraining their ability to compete internationally.”

2:26pm

South Wales Argus: Roy Rickhuss, General Secretary of the Community trade union which represents steel workers

Steelworkers union Community have reacted positively to today’s budget, that will see energy intensive firms benefit from around £2 billion in compensation for higher electricity prices.

Roy Rickhuss, General Secretary of steel union Community said: "It's good the government is finally listening. We've been saying for years that industry needed help to reduce its energy costs and now the Chancellor, by his announcement today, has admitted the government has been getting it wrong.

“Sadly it's too late to save thousands of steel jobs that we've seen disappear in recent years. The disappointing thing is that, although today's announcement will deliver the kind of support we've been calling for, the industry still has to wait two more years before it comes on stream.

In the meantime, competitor companies in France and Germany will still be benefiting from substantially lower energy costs. Unfortunately, today's announcement is still more short-term measures when we need long-term solutions. The support only goes up till 2020 and that is not a long time in an industry like steel."

2:24pm

Simon Thomas, managing director of Newport engineeering and construction firm Asset International said: "As an SME operating in the manufacturing sector, it’s fair to say that we’ve seen a dramatic increase in enquiries and orders from the housing sector in particular, a growth which can be attributed in part to the Government’s Help to Buy scheme introduced in last year’s budget so it is good to see that it has been extended.

He added it was "disappointing" to see the lack of detail behind the Chancellor’s commitments to infrastructure. He said "what the industry needs more than ever is assurance that the Government’s plans are being realised."

2:14pm

The Ebbw Vale Enterprise Zone will benefit from an extension to the period in which Enhanced Capital Allowances are available to companies investing in Enterprise Zones by three years until 31 March 2020.

2:03pm

1:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
So you think that Labour will do a better job do you?
13 years of power = 20 + years of bankruptcy.
Fantastic record.
Bring it on so that they may even surpass this next time.

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1:37pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Katie Re-Registered says

"We have record number of women in work - Osborne"

Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs!

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1:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says

Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.

1:33pm

1:26pm

1:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bobevans says

New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales

1:25pm

Higher rate threshold for 40p income tax to rise from £41,450 to £41,865 next month and then by a further 1% to £42,285 next year, with the full benefit of increase in personal allowance passed on to higher rate taxpayers.

1:24pm

1:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Magor says

No more excuses get the M4 built now.

1:24pm

Personal tax allowance to be raised to £10,500 next year, resulting in £800 income tax reduction for typical taxpayer.

1:23pm

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1:21pm

1:20pm

Duty on fixed odds betting terminals increased to 25%, horse racing betting levy extended to offshore bookmakers and bingo duty halved to 10%. Tobacco duty to rise by 2% above inflation, and the escalator extended for the rest of the next Parliament.

1:19pm

Personal Allowance will rise to £10,500 from April 2015.

1:18pm

1:17pm

1:17pm

Alcohol to rise with price rises - except scotch whisky and cider taxes frozen

1:17pm

Beer duty cut by 1%

1:16pm

Alcohol duty escalator scrapped

1:16pm

The 2% increase in company car tax to be extended to 2017 and 2018, with increased discount for ultra-low emission vehicles.

1:15pm

1:15pm

Bingo duty halved to 10% - HOUSE!

1:14pm

From September, 20% tax relief for theatre productions, and 25% for regional touring.

1:13pm

1:12pm

Osborne said he was "determined" that the HS2 rail link should go "further north faster".

1:10pm

Additional £200 million for potholes.

1:10pm

1:10pm

Legislation to give Welsh Government tax and borrowing powers to fund infrastructure needs, including improvements to M4 motorway.

1:07pm

£140bn repairs for flood damage

1:07pm

Air passenger duty will be changed: 'From next year all long haul flights will carry the same lower band B tax rate that you now pay to fly to the US'

1:07pm

1:06pm

1:06pm

Money for M4 improvements in Wales

1:05pm

1:05pm

'Britain has to up its game on exports' - amount of lending available will be doubled

1:03pm

Announcement: £20 million to pay for repairs to cathedrals ahead of First World War remembrance services

1:02pm

Inheritance tax waived for emergency services personnel who "give their lives protecting us", Osborne tells the House

1:02pm

1:01pm

Clampdown on people avoiding stamp duty by owning homes through a company, says Chancellor...from midnight tonight anyone buying house over £500k through 'corporate envelope' will have to pay 15% stamp duty

1:00pm

12:59pm

Compliance checks on migrants claiming benefits they are not entitled to will save almost £100 million, says Osborne....

12:59pm

12:57pm

Welfare cap set at £119 billion for 2015/16, rising to £127 billion by 2018/19, with only the state pension and cyclical unemployment benefits excluded.

12:57pm

'Relieve VAT on fuel for air ambulances and rescue craft'

12:56pm

'£10m support to Scouts, Guides and St John Ambulance'

12:56pm

Pay restraint in public sector will continue....

12:54pm

'Tolerance of those who do not pay their fair share evaporated long ago'

12:54pm

12:53pm

'Twice as much tax being collected through compliance'

12:52pm

12:49pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Javez says

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.
The statistics are good - robust, clear and totally outside of government control. Oh, and produced here in Newport!

The lies and d**n lies, however - all Osborne....

12:52pm

'Faster growth alone won't balance the books though, more cuts required!'

12:51pm

South Wales Argus:

12:51pm

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12:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says

'Lies d**n lies and statistics.'
Can see no evidence of any recovery here.
All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect.
Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.

12:49pm

Britain will be borrowing £24bn less than forecast - 'that's more than we spend in an entire year on the Police and Criminal Justice system', Osborne says

12:48pm

12:48pm

'1 in 30 £ coins are counterfeit. In three years a more secure design will be launched. '

'A more resillient pound for a more resilient economy'. Resilient is the word for this budget it seems.

12:46pm

Securing Britain's economic future means there will be more cuts, says Osborne

12:45pm

12:45pm

UK now has a higher employment rate than the USA - first time in 35 years

12:44pm

Abandoning my economic plan is biggest risk, Osborne tells MPs

12:44pm

Budget deficit lower than forecast - figures have been revised....

12:42pm

We have record number of women in work - Osborne

12:42pm

'No major advanced economy in the world is growing faster than the UK today'

12:40pm

12:39pm

12:38pm

Economic security for people of Britain is our mission, says Chancellor

12:37pm

'Today we support manufacturers and all regions of our country....'

12:36pm

'Deficit down by a third... still one of the highest in Europe though'

12:36pm

'Support for savers at centre of budget'

12:35pm

Started: Economy recovering faster than forecast, says Osborne

12:32pm

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12:25pm

Here's what Gwent business people think should happen today (from yesterday's Business Argus)

12:22pm

South Wales Argus:

Prime Minister's Questions currently going on in the House .... George Osborne (right) waiting for his turn...

12:19pm

South Wales Argus:

While we're waiting, a quick look at the new one pound coin, announced today....

The proposed coin, which will have the same shape as the pre-decimalisation 12-sided "threepenny bit", will be the hardest in the world for criminals to copy, the Government said.

A public competition will also be held to to design the "tails" side of the coin, which is expected to be introduced from 2017.

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11:46am

George Osborne's statement will begin at 12:30pm.

11:45am

The Chancellor is expected to unveil a further rise in the personal allowance above the £10,000 level promised by the coalition, and confirm heavily-trailed childcare subsidies among other measures to help those on lower and middle-incomes.

Aides stressed that despite the economic revival the package would be "steady as she goes", and make little overall impact on the Government's books.

But there were also hints that Mr Osborne could be preparing to produce a rabbit from his red box.

Potential surprise items include pushing up the level at which National Insurance contributions start being paid, or bowing to Tory demands for the 40% tax rate threshold to be raised.

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12:44pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

'Lies d**n lies and statistics.'
Can see no evidence of any recovery here.
All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect.
Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.
'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -8

12:49pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Javez says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.
The statistics are good - robust, clear and totally outside of government control. Oh, and produced here in Newport!

The lies and d**n lies, however - all Osborne....
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: 'Lies d**n lies and statistics.' Can see no evidence of any recovery here. All based on the rich money laundering foreigners pushing up house prices in London I suspect. Oh I forgot, we are governed by the Labour Assembly in Wales.[/p][/quote]The statistics are good - robust, clear and totally outside of government control. Oh, and produced here in Newport! The lies and d**n lies, however - all Osborne.... Javez
  • Score: 12

1:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales Bobevans
  • Score: 2

1:24pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Magor says...

No more excuses get the M4 built now.
No more excuses get the M4 built now. Magor
  • Score: 21

1:33pm Wed 19 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 10

1:37pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

"We have record number of women in work - Osborne"

Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs!
"We have record number of women in work - Osborne" Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs! Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 19

1:51pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
"We have record number of women in work - Osborne"

Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs!
Thanks to all the immigrants that Labour let in, taking them.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: "We have record number of women in work - Osborne" Yeah, in a record amount of minimum wage jobs![/p][/quote]Thanks to all the immigrants that Labour let in, taking them. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -4

1:53pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
So you think that Labour will do a better job do you?
13 years of power = 20 + years of bankruptcy.
Fantastic record.
Bring it on so that they may even surpass this next time.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]So you think that Labour will do a better job do you? 13 years of power = 20 + years of bankruptcy. Fantastic record. Bring it on so that they may even surpass this next time. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

3:40pm Wed 19 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

I'm going to poke the bear with this but I don't think that you can blame the Labour party for the recession. It was casued by the fraudulent selling of loans and the blatant greed of the financial industry. The goverment did as much as it can to prevent it's impact and try to turn it around. Don't forget they had the insight to reduce the vat so that it would make things cheaper for the ave working man, also during the time labour were in power they did alot for the financial support of those that needed the help. Under the condems it's been the reverse the vat has gone up the financial support has been erroded away to the extent that people now have to use food banks. The rich are getting richer and the working class are turing to hand outs. I'm sorry but yes I think that for the working class labour will do a better job.

The flip side is that they are useless in other ways. They can not control budgets within any area that they have control in, don't have any common sense and are just power crazed.

Who would I rather have in parliment. I'd like to see more indipendents, that are not career Politicians but have a vaired background, to nither all be toffs and not all being lower class, those that know first had about budgeting, managing business and how to manage people.

For how much longer are we going to accept that the gov needs to be run just by those that have learned politics in uni, been spoon fed party ideals from thier late teens, not have a clue about the real world and are only interested in making backhand deals looking out for each other and be self serving. We vote them in because we all think that we have to vote as people fought to give us those votes. I think it's time that we fought to have the right to put none of the above on a ballet form. Instead the self serving sleaze balls have given us an alternative. Which is only there to serve them and will only serve either labour or conservative because they get most of the votes anyway.

Things need to change, the whole of the population needs to start to get a better deal from parliment. As it's just not happening.
I'm going to poke the bear with this but I don't think that you can blame the Labour party for the recession. It was casued by the fraudulent selling of loans and the blatant greed of the financial industry. The goverment did as much as it can to prevent it's impact and try to turn it around. Don't forget they had the insight to reduce the vat so that it would make things cheaper for the ave working man, also during the time labour were in power they did alot for the financial support of those that needed the help. Under the condems it's been the reverse the vat has gone up the financial support has been erroded away to the extent that people now have to use food banks. The rich are getting richer and the working class are turing to hand outs. I'm sorry but yes I think that for the working class labour will do a better job. The flip side is that they are useless in other ways. They can not control budgets within any area that they have control in, don't have any common sense and are just power crazed. Who would I rather have in parliment. I'd like to see more indipendents, that are not career Politicians but have a vaired background, to nither all be toffs and not all being lower class, those that know first had about budgeting, managing business and how to manage people. For how much longer are we going to accept that the gov needs to be run just by those that have learned politics in uni, been spoon fed party ideals from thier late teens, not have a clue about the real world and are only interested in making backhand deals looking out for each other and be self serving. We vote them in because we all think that we have to vote as people fought to give us those votes. I think it's time that we fought to have the right to put none of the above on a ballet form. Instead the self serving sleaze balls have given us an alternative. Which is only there to serve them and will only serve either labour or conservative because they get most of the votes anyway. Things need to change, the whole of the population needs to start to get a better deal from parliment. As it's just not happening. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 23

3:55pm Wed 19 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax whatintheworld
  • Score: 9

3:56pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
True. And that will result in persuading anyone with the nous and aspiration to earn more to go elsewhere. Surely Labour's record on tax is sufficient reason not to let the anywhere near tax-raising powers. Because that's all the ever do - raise them.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]True. And that will result in persuading anyone with the nous and aspiration to earn more to go elsewhere. Surely Labour's record on tax is sufficient reason not to let the anywhere near tax-raising powers. Because that's all the ever do - raise them. Stevenboy
  • Score: -7

4:00pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales.
A case of 'killing the goose'.
Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant? Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -2

4:07pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Frankfurt says...

Magor wrote:
No more excuses get the M4 built now.
But why do we have to pay for it instead of the UK government. If Wales borrows money, Wales has to pay it back. I thought that motorways were a national concern not a regional one.
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: No more excuses get the M4 built now.[/p][/quote]But why do we have to pay for it instead of the UK government. If Wales borrows money, Wales has to pay it back. I thought that motorways were a national concern not a regional one. Frankfurt
  • Score: 16

4:08pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales.
A case of 'killing the goose'.
Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -6

4:11pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: -6

4:23pm Wed 19 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
what are you on about the welfare dependant for?

wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england.

if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant".

to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin'
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]what are you on about the welfare dependant for? wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england. if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant". to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin' whatintheworld
  • Score: 10

5:57pm Wed 19 Mar 14

Magor says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
Worse off in Wales,Council tax has not gone up for 5 years in most of England.Mine doubled under the last Labour Government.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?[/p][/quote]Worse off in Wales,Council tax has not gone up for 5 years in most of England.Mine doubled under the last Labour Government. Magor
  • Score: -11

8:30am Thu 20 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK Bobevans
  • Score: -12

9:28am Thu 20 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
what are you on about the welfare dependant for?

wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england.

if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant".

to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin'
You may not support a higher rate of tax In Wales, than England, but you may not have the choice.
If Wales were to become self-funding, they would have to get the money from somewhere and as Llanmartinangel points out, there are so few taxpayers able to fulfil this need that they would have little choice in the matter but to raise taxes substantially.
This was the main reason I voted against the Assembly.
My worst fears will have been realised if the WAG ever gets income tax raising powers.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]what are you on about the welfare dependant for? wealthier people tend to create jobs (this is a huge generalisation). if the wealthier people leave, we may end up with fewer jobs. i get this. i would not support a higher rate of tax in wales than england. if we end up with fewer jobs, workers are hit. not the "welfare dependant". to those thinking labour will increase taxes to fund borrowing - youre wrong. scotland has had the power to vary income tax (with no lockstep caviet) for over 10 years. theyve never used it. it aint happenin'[/p][/quote]You may not support a higher rate of tax In Wales, than England, but you may not have the choice. If Wales were to become self-funding, they would have to get the money from somewhere and as Llanmartinangel points out, there are so few taxpayers able to fulfil this need that they would have little choice in the matter but to raise taxes substantially. This was the main reason I voted against the Assembly. My worst fears will have been realised if the WAG ever gets income tax raising powers. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -10

1:52pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
The childcare stats are a typical example of the tories giving with one hand while taking away with the other.

The current government have cut support for children and familes by £15 billion since they came into office, and these changes don't take account of the fact that childcare costs have spiralled since 2010. The Welsh Government took action as far back as 2007 with Flying Start, but the tories make no reference to this, and flatly rejected the sensible Labour plan for 25 hours free childcare for working parents of 3 and 4 year olds.

You mention more money for business start ups and investment - yet one of Osbourne's first acts as Chancellor was to cut the Annual Investment Allowance for businesses by £75k in 2012.

Never mind though, at least Gideon cut bingo duty. After all, to quote Grant Shapps (the artist formerly known as 'Michael Green') it does give us proles the chance to do the things that we (or to use the tories' words, 'they') enjoy. You couldn't make it up.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]The childcare stats are a typical example of the tories giving with one hand while taking away with the other. The current government have cut support for children and familes by £15 billion since they came into office, and these changes don't take account of the fact that childcare costs have spiralled since 2010. The Welsh Government took action as far back as 2007 with Flying Start, but the tories make no reference to this, and flatly rejected the sensible Labour plan for 25 hours free childcare for working parents of 3 and 4 year olds. You mention more money for business start ups and investment - yet one of Osbourne's first acts as Chancellor was to cut the Annual Investment Allowance for businesses by £75k in 2012. Never mind though, at least Gideon cut bingo duty. After all, to quote Grant Shapps (the artist formerly known as 'Michael Green') it does give us proles the chance to do the things that we (or to use the tories' words, 'they') enjoy. You couldn't make it up. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 8

2:02pm Thu 20 Mar 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget.

For example
- Energy bills up by £300 since last election
- Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election
- Food Bank usage has trebled since last election
- 900 thousand young people out of work.

Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?[/p][/quote]By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget. For example - Energy bills up by £300 since last election - Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election - Food Bank usage has trebled since last election - 900 thousand young people out of work. Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break... BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 7

3:04pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales
nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change.

a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax
They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales.
A case of 'killing the goose'.
Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?
Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors.
Notice that you are getting minus likes on your post.
However, the truth hurts and they just can't face up to it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: New borrowing powers for the assembly & tax raising powers. Borrowing though will result in taxes having to increase in Wales[/p][/quote]nope. because of the lock-step, all rates of tax would have to change. a welsh labour gov. will never increase lowest rates of tax[/p][/quote]They may not, however by increasing taxes for the better off this will simply drive them away from Wales. A case of 'killing the goose'. Who will be left then to subsidise the welfare dependant?[/p][/quote]Considering only 16000 people in Wales pay the 40 p/c rate now and only 4000 people pay the top rate, it becomes somewhat irrelevant. Disincentivise those and all you're left with is basic rate payers and non-contributors.[/p][/quote]Notice that you are getting minus likes on your post. However, the truth hurts and they just can't face up to it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 2

8:35am Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?
By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget.

For example
- Energy bills up by £300 since last election
- Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election
- Food Bank usage has trebled since last election
- 900 thousand young people out of work.

Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...
'Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...'

At least get your facts straight BCF. The top 10% earners will pay two thirds of ALL the income tax collected in the UK. That may look like a tax break to you but it clearly won't to them.

http://www.ft.com/cm
s/s/0/2c5553b8-aa10-
11e3-8497-00144feab7
de.html#axzz2waHTaZO
B
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Rising cost of living? Remind me where the Council Tax increases have been above inflation again?[/p][/quote]By rising cost of living Llanmartin Angel, I'm referring to a whole host of things not even mentioned in the budget. For example - Energy bills up by £300 since last election - Incomes down £1,600 on average since last election - Food Bank usage has trebled since last election - 900 thousand young people out of work. Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...[/p][/quote]'Never mind though, at least millionaires are keeping their tax break...' At least get your facts straight BCF. The top 10% earners will pay two thirds of ALL the income tax collected in the UK. That may look like a tax break to you but it clearly won't to them. http://www.ft.com/cm s/s/0/2c5553b8-aa10- 11e3-8497-00144feab7 de.html#axzz2waHTaZO B Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

9:45am Fri 21 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Is all this tweeting really necessary in the Argus ? Surely a link would do ? As the Argus has a Twitter thing why don't readers just go there. I think again the senior citizens right to blow all their savings is going to cost us all, they are living longer, and if they blow savings on holidays and homes and cars whatever and end up broke again guess who has to pay them state pensions ? One suspects it is a short term ploy to get pensioners to spend there money so the retail sales look good on statistics, when they get voted out as tories will, whoever gets in has to pick up the tab. We could see thousands of old people broke and with no recourse but to rely on the state again,given the appalling treatment the state gives elderly few would blame for having fun while they can, and especially as Insurance/Annuities areas are ripping them off at every opportunity..
Is all this tweeting really necessary in the Argus ? Surely a link would do ? As the Argus has a Twitter thing why don't readers just go there. I think again the senior citizens right to blow all their savings is going to cost us all, they are living longer, and if they blow savings on holidays and homes and cars whatever and end up broke again guess who has to pay them state pensions ? One suspects it is a short term ploy to get pensioners to spend there money so the retail sales look good on statistics, when they get voted out as tories will, whoever gets in has to pick up the tab. We could see thousands of old people broke and with no recourse but to rely on the state again,given the appalling treatment the state gives elderly few would blame for having fun while they can, and especially as Insurance/Annuities areas are ripping them off at every opportunity.. Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

10:30am Fri 21 Mar 14

Lliswerry Man says...

What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion
aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create.

Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops.

BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out.
What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create. Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops. BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: 0

11:40am Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion

aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create.

Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops.

BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out.
It's a democracy, or was last time I looked, i.e. other opinions than yours permitted. The 'live somewhere else' argument doesn't cut it.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: What I like here, is how two names consistantly rant about how much "millionaires" pay towards the state, but FAIL to mention how many Millionaires/Billion aires , USE tax breaks abroad or illegal off shore tax havens to hide their money, YET want to stay trading in the UK for the wealth it allows them to create. Then we get told if we tax them more they will take their businesses abroad.... Well Let Them... many who have, find the import duties are no fun either.... especially those who like to use 3rd world sweat shops. BUT the same Two Comrades on here, JUMP at the first chance to slate Labour, or people on low incomes, but themselves choose to live here?.... as they say, if you do not like the state with which you live and you will never change it, do not let the door hit you on the way out.[/p][/quote]It's a democracy, or was last time I looked, i.e. other opinions than yours permitted. The 'live somewhere else' argument doesn't cut it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

1:18pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: -5

6:02pm Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

11:32am Sun 23 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
I dont think the people that vote for labour really care labour about taxes i would imagine most dont pay any sitting at home all day claiming to be too depressed/ stressed to work!!
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]I dont think the people that vote for labour really care labour about taxes i would imagine most dont pay any sitting at home all day claiming to be too depressed/ stressed to work!! scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

1:26pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
Just wait for your score to go minus once the no-hopers have read it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]Just wait for your score to go minus once the no-hopers have read it. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 0

2:19pm Mon 24 Mar 14

gathin says...

12 sided coin?
12 stars on EU flag?
12 tribes of Israel?
Wonder who's actually running the show,eh?
12 sided coin? 12 stars on EU flag? 12 tribes of Israel? Wonder who's actually running the show,eh? gathin
  • Score: 1

5:03pm Mon 24 Mar 14

endthelies says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back!
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.[/p][/quote]After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back! endthelies
  • Score: -1

6:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back!
'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference.
[quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.[/p][/quote]After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back![/p][/quote]'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Mon 24 Mar 14

endthelies says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
endthelies wrote:
Cymru Am Beth wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor.
Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living.
Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.
Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment


Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK
And you get minused for pointing this out?
The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.
After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back!
'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference.
I always back up my arguments with FACTS, which you choose to ignore. The Truth is out there !!!!!!!!!!!! Just google it.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]endthelies[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Anotherdowngraded budget from this downgraded chancellor. Makes no reference to falling wages and living standards and a rising cost of living. Once again working people worse off under the tories. Bring on 2015.[/p][/quote]Wrong, £2000 tax allowance per child for childcare. Personal Allowance increased from £9600 to £10,000 this year & to £10,500 next years. Improvements to pension schemes. More money of business start ups and investment Today Hitachi have announced that they are relocating their Global Rail business to the UK[/p][/quote]And you get minused for pointing this out? The Labour supporters don't like this, as they think that everything in the garden will be rosy under Red Ed.[/p][/quote]After all the minuses I get off you lot for pointing out the truth about the Tories, its nice to see you getting some back![/p][/quote]'Your' truth, not THE truth. Subtle difference.[/p][/quote]I always back up my arguments with FACTS, which you choose to ignore. The Truth is out there !!!!!!!!!!!! Just google it. endthelies
  • Score: 0

10:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded Bobevans
  • Score: -1

10:38am Tue 25 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded Bobevans
  • Score: -1

11:26am Tue 25 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Bobevans wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Lliswerry Man wrote:
Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up.

You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things.

Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives.

There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.
Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.
If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded
That is exactly what a Labour government would do.
They will tax the workers and give it to the shirkers.
I wish we could have another referendum on the Assembly so that I can vote 'no' again.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel the only people who do not like the way people have a right to free speech are YOU and YOUR comrade, constantly bleating your speech against anything you do not like or want, AS stated its a democracy.... and if that Means Labour wins ALL the time or most of the time in Wales get over it...... you will not change that. SO my statement is correct, you are entitled to your opinion, but if you do not like those in Power where you live and you have NO hope of getting them out, leave or put up. You both appear to think by bleating away on the SWA and getting constant NEGS with your opinions, that somehow you can change things. Thats the problem lately, too many people moving around the country trying to make where they now live similiar to what they are used to, and ignore those that have lived here all along and enjoyed their quiet little welsh labour lives. There is too much misinformation spread around on these posts at times, as a way of "Some" trying to win their point of view, rather than gather "Actual" facts. BOTH you and your comrade have been wrong with your views in Migration and the Welfare State... the facts as shown and provided on the TV LIVE debates proved that....... You can suggest what YOU think Labour might do with new powers, but you do not know the Real Facts until they have the powers and use them.[/p][/quote]Curious then that even Carwyn Jones didn't want the tax raising powers eh. But consider this, Labour's whole ethos is predicated on high taxation. In their thirteen years they introduced or raised 140 taxes. Council Tax doubled and in Wales, even now, it is running at twice inflation. Almost all of those taxes were amed at ordinary working people except the 50% tax which they brought in in their last of their thirteen years. To run a high tax economy you need one of three things: Mineral or oil wealth (errr...nope), high earners, (far less here than anywhere in the UK) or a finance sector like the City. See the flaw in the plan now? Wales runs at a permanent negative 25% of it's GDP. They are b*lloxed from day one.[/p][/quote]If Carwyn thinks he can run a high tax, large public sector, low productivity economy in Wales he is very deluded[/p][/quote]That is exactly what a Labour government would do. They will tax the workers and give it to the shirkers. I wish we could have another referendum on the Assembly so that I can vote 'no' again. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Tue 25 Mar 14

ngtarr says...

contrary to what most people say, the economy in the uk IS in fact recovering, however clear signs of the recovery will not take place until after the next generel election. whilst the cuts are not popular for some it is helping the economy. i read on the bbc's website that the uk will be out of deficit by 2018-2019. i don't know who claims that people are £1600 wrse off under the current governent as since the last general election, low and mid pay workers have had an income tax CUT of £800, more appretisips have been created and pupil premiums for children from poorer backgrounds. most of this effort has been down to the lib dems in government.
contrary to what most people say, the economy in the uk IS in fact recovering, however clear signs of the recovery will not take place until after the next generel election. whilst the cuts are not popular for some it is helping the economy. i read on the bbc's website that the uk will be out of deficit by 2018-2019. i don't know who claims that people are £1600 wrse off under the current governent as since the last general election, low and mid pay workers have had an income tax CUT of £800, more appretisips have been created [not so much in wales as in england] and pupil premiums for children from poorer backgrounds. most of this effort has been down to the lib dems in government. ngtarr
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Tue 25 Mar 14

welshmen says...

The only people who never complain on here about the rich are the rich, they blame the poor for everything, no ones better off, only the rich, never hear of anyone on here saying they have a problem finding the money to pay their way, but are quick to pour scorn on any party that want the poor to get out of poverty, it's the "i'am all right jack" liblabcon voters who are ALL to blame for the crap we are in, no matter how many statistic **** googled reports they get, they are the problem but cant admit it, they support the brainwashing media and our leftest BBC they follow it just like the rats at Hamelin with Dave the Pied piper at the head..

Labour must never get into power again or the Conservative's, libdems have no chance of even retaining their deposits in the next election, the British National Party or UKIP to make the next Government, they would reduces all the problems caused by the LABCONLIB and make Briton Great again, Briton for the British NOT the rest of the world....Progressive Liberals, you want immigrants so much have them stay at your houses at your expense NOT ours...

40 jobs advertised at Aldi chain store in Shropshire 1500 people applied, Vince Cable says we WANT MORE immigrants, these are the people killing our Country the LIB DEMS CON Government....
The only people who never complain on here about the rich are the rich, they blame the poor for everything, no ones better off, only the rich, never hear of anyone on here saying they have a problem finding the money to pay their way, but are quick to pour scorn on any party that want the poor to get out of poverty, it's the "i'am all right jack" liblabcon voters who are ALL to blame for the crap we are in, no matter how many statistic **** googled reports they get, they are the problem but cant admit it, they support the brainwashing media and our leftest BBC they follow it just like the rats at Hamelin with Dave the Pied piper at the head.. Labour must never get into power again or the Conservative's, libdems have no chance of even retaining their deposits in the next election, the British National Party or UKIP to make the next Government, they would reduces all the problems caused by the LABCONLIB and make Briton Great again, Briton for the British NOT the rest of the world....Progressive Liberals, you want immigrants so much have them stay at your houses at your expense NOT ours... 40 jobs advertised at Aldi chain store in Shropshire 1500 people applied, Vince Cable says we WANT MORE immigrants, these are the people killing our Country the LIB DEMS CON Government.... welshmen
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8:49am Wed 26 Mar 14

Lliswerry Man says...

To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide.
And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk.

Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it.

No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed.
To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide. And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk. Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it. No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed. Lliswerry Man
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9:13am Wed 26 Mar 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide.
And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk.

Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it.

No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed.
And you think that the LABOUR bufoons have all the answers then do you?
Look at Tony B Liar and his cronies.
Politicians think only of themselves and that includes the vast majority of Labour ones.
It's everyone for himself in this world I am afraid.
Look at the Kinnock's, now they are a good example of what you despise. Although I see you make no mention of these so-called Socialists who are definitely not on the bottom rung of the ladder.
There will always be inequality, there is and never will be such a thing as a 'perfect world'.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: To show how misguided most of you TORY buffoons are on here, with your political nonsense, take an hour or so of your time, and watch a film/documentary called "inequality for all" it explains a lot about what is happening not only here in the UK but worldwide. And has NOTHING to do with the party political drivel you all like to spout, this "us and them" pathetic playground talk. Unless you have been on the bottom rung of the ladder you have no idea what it is like to survive, the same as those on the bottom rung of the ladder have no idea what it is like to be at the top of it. No wonder there are world wars , when even local people JUDGE each other over their Financial status.... sad times indeed.[/p][/quote]And you think that the LABOUR bufoons have all the answers then do you? Look at Tony B Liar and his cronies. Politicians think only of themselves and that includes the vast majority of Labour ones. It's everyone for himself in this world I am afraid. Look at the Kinnock's, now they are a good example of what you despise. Although I see you make no mention of these so-called Socialists who are definitely not on the bottom rung of the ladder. There will always be inequality, there is and never will be such a thing as a 'perfect world'. Cymru Am Beth
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