Gwent sees largest violent crime rise in England and Wales

Gwent sees largest violent crime rise in England and Wales

Gwent sees largest violent crime rise in England and Wales

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VIOLENCE offences recorded by Gwent Police rose by more than a quarter in 2013 while overall crimes rose by two per cent, new figures show.

The percentage rise in violent crime was the highest in England and Wales, and Gwent was the only force in Wales to record a rise in crime.

However the new figures from the Office for National Statistics for the year to December 2013 reported falls in drug offences and burglary.

Offences of theft from the person rose by almost a quarter, while robbery and sexual offences also saw increases.

Gwent Police has blamed the spike in violent crime figures in part on changes to how they are recorded – but also said issues around alcohol and drug abuse continue to be a major factor.

There were 34,985 crimes recorded in Gwent last year – two per cent up on 2012 – with 6,843 of those registered as violent offences against the person.

That figure was up 26 per cent on 2012 – the highest such rise in England and Wales.

Offences of violence that did not cause injury shot up by 42 per cent to 3,173, while offences of violence that did cause injury rose by 14 per cent to 3,666.

Sexual offences rose by 14 per cent to 571 offences, while robbery rose by 9 per cent to 173 offences.

Theft offences fell by one per cent to 16,779 and burglary fell by seven per cent to 4,490 offences.

Drug offences dropped by 17 per cent to 2,145, while shoplifting was down two per cent to 3,194 incidents.

The increase in crime comes after the Argus reported in January that crime had neither gone up or down in the year to September 2013.

Gwent Assistant chief constable Lorraine Bottomley said the slight increase in overall crime is “understandable” but reductions around "priority and volume offences" are to be welcomed.

Ms Bottomley said she had spoken to officers on the ground about the increase in recorded violent crimes.

“Whilst a change in recording practices does explain some of the increase, issues around alcohol and drug abuse continue to be a major factor when it comes to violent crime,” she said.

“We will continue to work closely with partner agencies, licensees, persistent offenders and voluntary groups in an attempt to tackle this increase in violent crime.”

She said the continued fall in the number of burglaries showed operations to target and prosecute offenders are working.

“The figures also suggest that more residents are heeding crime prevention advice and securing their properties,” she added.

The 14 per cent increase in sexual offences should be treated as a “positive indicator”, suggesting victims have more confidence in coming forward to report those crimes.

ACC Bottomley added: “Crime statistics are only one indicator when it comes to measuring how we are serving the public.

“Whilst we are determined to reduce crime and anti-social behaviour in Gwent, we are also very committed to improving the service that we provide to residents and victims of crime."

Crime statistics and whether they are being recorded properly has been a massive issue in Gwent and across England and Wales over the last year.

Chief constable Jeff Farrar told told MPs in December that officers misrecorded incidents when official figures showed crime falling in the region.

UPDATE 4.26pm: Labour’s Newport West MP Paul Flynn said the increase in violent crimes was “vast” and needed to be examined.

“This is the sort of crime that people are most alarmed about,” he said, saying he felt it was difficult to believe changes in crime recording could have led to the 42 per cent increase in violent crimes that did not cause injury.

“It’s a thoroughly exceptional increase. It’s a matter for some alarm. There’s something going on other than changing the ways the figures are collected.”

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12:31pm Thu 24 Apr 14

plumbob1 says...

Shoplifting was down 2%, hardly surprising as Newport has no shops left to steal from.
Shoplifting was down 2%, hardly surprising as Newport has no shops left to steal from. plumbob1
  • Score: 53

12:33pm Thu 24 Apr 14

hazellboy says...

plumbob1 wrote:
Shoplifting was down 2%, hardly surprising as Newport has no shops left to steal from.
we are talking Gwent not Newport, get a grip dumb bob
[quote][p][bold]plumbob1[/bold] wrote: Shoplifting was down 2%, hardly surprising as Newport has no shops left to steal from.[/p][/quote]we are talking Gwent not Newport, get a grip dumb bob hazellboy
  • Score: -5

12:34pm Thu 24 Apr 14

kez1968 says...

As we see reported here in the argus, and by what we see in our own areas, pitiful sentences handed out by the judicial system, drug dealers openly going about there lives in flash cars and homes, smack heads wandering around looking for there next victim, police never seen unless it's a traffic infringement, etc...our councils, police, nhs populated by money grabbing fool's, the county of gwent has really declined in the last twenty years, it's really embarrassing to tell anybody were I come from.
As we see reported here in the argus, and by what we see in our own areas, pitiful sentences handed out by the judicial system, drug dealers openly going about there lives in flash cars and homes, smack heads wandering around looking for there next victim, police never seen unless it's a traffic infringement, etc...our councils, police, nhs populated by money grabbing fool's, the county of gwent has really declined in the last twenty years, it's really embarrassing to tell anybody were I come from. kez1968
  • Score: 52

3:55pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Ultimate Worrier says...

Its coz were hard innit?
Its coz were hard innit? Ultimate Worrier
  • Score: -21

6:37pm Thu 24 Apr 14

newporteast says...

Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly.
Crime rates are up
The Welsh NHS in a mess
Council taxes up 5% to 6%
DON’T VOTE LABOUR
Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly. Crime rates are up The Welsh NHS in a mess Council taxes up 5% to 6% DON’T VOTE LABOUR newporteast
  • Score: 29

7:17pm Thu 24 Apr 14

33daverave says...

Ian , how about more real Police and less of the useless , scruffy PCSOs.
Most of them dress like they've been dipped in a pot of glue and then run through Mr. Benn's fancy dress emporium . Benny Hill dressed bettter.
Ian , how about more real Police and less of the useless , scruffy PCSOs. Most of them dress like they've been dipped in a pot of glue and then run through Mr. Benn's fancy dress emporium . Benny Hill dressed bettter. 33daverave
  • Score: 12

7:29pm Thu 24 Apr 14

bobbajob says...

Fiddling the figures it seems, either an incident happened or it didn't..
Fiddling the figures it seems, either an incident happened or it didn't.. bobbajob
  • Score: 6

7:56pm Thu 24 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

newporteast wrote:
Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly.
Crime rates are up
The Welsh NHS in a mess
Council taxes up 5% to 6%
DON’T VOTE LABOUR
wash your mouth out vote labour because your father did as for the council tax increasing most that vote labour don't pay any
[quote][p][bold]newporteast[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly. Crime rates are up The Welsh NHS in a mess Council taxes up 5% to 6% DON’T VOTE LABOUR[/p][/quote]wash your mouth out vote labour because your father did as for the council tax increasing most that vote labour don't pay any scraptheWAG
  • Score: -2

8:17pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Floppy backed says...

33daverave wrote:
Ian , how about more real Police and less of the useless , scruffy PCSOs.
Most of them dress like they've been dipped in a pot of glue and then run through Mr. Benn's fancy dress emporium . Benny Hill dressed bettter.
But its not the police that are the problems is the failure of the CPS who spend too much time on random cases that have little evidence and over paid barristers who can get anyone off and solicitors who drag cases out at the cost to the tax payer. Until we address the problems of cases not going to court quicker and barristers being paid to get these scum bags off the police havent a leg to stand on. Its on longer the case of little evidence to put them away it has to be substantial evidence with not the tiniest flaw because these 'professionals' flush out any once of error and the judge bows down - totally wrong.
[quote][p][bold]33daverave[/bold] wrote: Ian , how about more real Police and less of the useless , scruffy PCSOs. Most of them dress like they've been dipped in a pot of glue and then run through Mr. Benn's fancy dress emporium . Benny Hill dressed bettter.[/p][/quote]But its not the police that are the problems is the failure of the CPS who spend too much time on random cases that have little evidence and over paid barristers who can get anyone off and solicitors who drag cases out at the cost to the tax payer. Until we address the problems of cases not going to court quicker and barristers being paid to get these scum bags off the police havent a leg to stand on. Its on longer the case of little evidence to put them away it has to be substantial evidence with not the tiniest flaw because these 'professionals' flush out any once of error and the judge bows down - totally wrong. Floppy backed
  • Score: 16

10:23pm Thu 24 Apr 14

regaturn says...

The truth is crime has never decreased, it simply wasn't recorded, however because of the recent fuss over the crime fiddling the police are starting to record more accurately
The truth is crime has never decreased, it simply wasn't recorded, however because of the recent fuss over the crime fiddling the police are starting to record more accurately regaturn
  • Score: 26

1:47am Fri 25 Apr 14

eezageeza says...

Seems the coppers were more bent than the crooks ...Oh no sorry it's just creative crime reporting isn't it ,more political clap trap from the powers that be, honestly what happened to the days when people just used to do their job to their best ability and that was that
Seems the coppers were more bent than the crooks ...Oh no sorry it's just creative crime reporting isn't it ,more political clap trap from the powers that be, honestly what happened to the days when people just used to do their job to their best ability and that was that eezageeza
  • Score: 12

11:23am Fri 25 Apr 14

Jonnytrouble says...

hazellboy wrote:
plumbob1 wrote:
Shoplifting was down 2%, hardly surprising as Newport has no shops left to steal from.
we are talking Gwent not Newport, get a grip dumb bob
I think he said it as it SHOWS Newport City,thanks to the photo by the SWA showing the City as an example to the heading..I thought the story is about Gwent ! SWA your not doing this City any good are you,i thought you wanted to see it change ?
[quote][p][bold]hazellboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]plumbob1[/bold] wrote: Shoplifting was down 2%, hardly surprising as Newport has no shops left to steal from.[/p][/quote]we are talking Gwent not Newport, get a grip dumb bob[/p][/quote]I think he said it as it SHOWS Newport City,thanks to the photo by the SWA showing the City as an example to the heading..I thought the story is about Gwent ! SWA your not doing this City any good are you,i thought you wanted to see it change ? Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 10

11:28am Fri 25 Apr 14

Jonnytrouble says...

Quote
'' Gwent Police has blamed the spike in violent crime figures in part on changes to how they are recorded – ''
The TRUTH is out,must be the commissioner doing his job we paid him to do,hope more ' worm ' comes out of the rotton woodwork !
Quote '' Gwent Police has blamed the spike in violent crime figures in part on changes to how they are recorded – '' The TRUTH is out,must be the commissioner doing his job we paid him to do,hope more ' worm ' comes out of the rotton woodwork ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 12

1:40pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

newporteast wrote:
Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly.
Crime rates are up
The Welsh NHS in a mess
Council taxes up 5% to 6%
DON’T VOTE LABOUR
Now you are being silly aren't you?
As usual, the Labour candidate (could be a sheep) will be voted in with a significant majority as usual.
[quote][p][bold]newporteast[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly. Crime rates are up The Welsh NHS in a mess Council taxes up 5% to 6% DON’T VOTE LABOUR[/p][/quote]Now you are being silly aren't you? As usual, the Labour candidate (could be a sheep) will be voted in with a significant majority as usual. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 5

1:43pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Floppy backed wrote:
33daverave wrote:
Ian , how about more real Police and less of the useless , scruffy PCSOs.
Most of them dress like they've been dipped in a pot of glue and then run through Mr. Benn's fancy dress emporium . Benny Hill dressed bettter.
But its not the police that are the problems is the failure of the CPS who spend too much time on random cases that have little evidence and over paid barristers who can get anyone off and solicitors who drag cases out at the cost to the tax payer. Until we address the problems of cases not going to court quicker and barristers being paid to get these scum bags off the police havent a leg to stand on. Its on longer the case of little evidence to put them away it has to be substantial evidence with not the tiniest flaw because these 'professionals' flush out any once of error and the judge bows down - totally wrong.
Quite, but something could be done to address this.
Don't let them off on a silly technicality, that has or should have no real bearing on the facts of the case.
[quote][p][bold]Floppy backed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]33daverave[/bold] wrote: Ian , how about more real Police and less of the useless , scruffy PCSOs. Most of them dress like they've been dipped in a pot of glue and then run through Mr. Benn's fancy dress emporium . Benny Hill dressed bettter.[/p][/quote]But its not the police that are the problems is the failure of the CPS who spend too much time on random cases that have little evidence and over paid barristers who can get anyone off and solicitors who drag cases out at the cost to the tax payer. Until we address the problems of cases not going to court quicker and barristers being paid to get these scum bags off the police havent a leg to stand on. Its on longer the case of little evidence to put them away it has to be substantial evidence with not the tiniest flaw because these 'professionals' flush out any once of error and the judge bows down - totally wrong.[/p][/quote]Quite, but something could be done to address this. Don't let them off on a silly technicality, that has or should have no real bearing on the facts of the case. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 5

1:45pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

regaturn wrote:
The truth is crime has never decreased, it simply wasn't recorded, however because of the recent fuss over the crime fiddling the police are starting to record more accurately
Good point.
That may be the case.
However, what about the crimes that are not reported at all?
Probably substantially more than is recorded.
[quote][p][bold]regaturn[/bold] wrote: The truth is crime has never decreased, it simply wasn't recorded, however because of the recent fuss over the crime fiddling the police are starting to record more accurately[/p][/quote]Good point. That may be the case. However, what about the crimes that are not reported at all? Probably substantially more than is recorded. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

2:29pm Fri 25 Apr 14

jimmysmith says...

newporteast wrote:
Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly.
Crime rates are up
The Welsh NHS in a mess
Council taxes up 5% to 6%
DON’T VOTE LABOUR
nor tory either .id say theyve added to the problem dont you ?
[quote][p][bold]newporteast[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising we are run by Labour City Councils and a Labour Welsh Assembly. Crime rates are up The Welsh NHS in a mess Council taxes up 5% to 6% DON’T VOTE LABOUR[/p][/quote]nor tory either .id say theyve added to the problem dont you ? jimmysmith
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Fri 25 Apr 14

jimmysmith says...

our towns are fast becoming drug infested ghettos mia ow mia ow and heroin and steroid abuse is rampant in our towns now .every one of us will know of houses selling drugs on a regular basis and the police blatantly turn a blind eye to it . i recently pointed out to a council official about dealers getting away scot free in commercial street in abergavenny where dealing is happening in full view of the public .his reaction was we leave them alone because that way we know where they are .one couldnt make it up
our towns are fast becoming drug infested ghettos mia ow mia ow and heroin and steroid abuse is rampant in our towns now .every one of us will know of houses selling drugs on a regular basis and the police blatantly turn a blind eye to it . i recently pointed out to a council official about dealers getting away scot free in commercial street in abergavenny where dealing is happening in full view of the public .his reaction was we leave them alone because that way we know where they are .one couldnt make it up jimmysmith
  • Score: 13

2:38pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

jimmysmith wrote:
our towns are fast becoming drug infested ghettos mia ow mia ow and heroin and steroid abuse is rampant in our towns now .every one of us will know of houses selling drugs on a regular basis and the police blatantly turn a blind eye to it . i recently pointed out to a council official about dealers getting away scot free in commercial street in abergavenny where dealing is happening in full view of the public .his reaction was we leave them alone because that way we know where they are .one couldnt make it up
Exactly, "tough on crime and the causes of crime'.
You couldn't make it up could you?
Lets face it, the police have lost the battle thanks to leftish human rights policies and political correctness.
They are scared to do anything in case they get criticised by some official for being too heavy handed.
[quote][p][bold]jimmysmith[/bold] wrote: our towns are fast becoming drug infested ghettos mia ow mia ow and heroin and steroid abuse is rampant in our towns now .every one of us will know of houses selling drugs on a regular basis and the police blatantly turn a blind eye to it . i recently pointed out to a council official about dealers getting away scot free in commercial street in abergavenny where dealing is happening in full view of the public .his reaction was we leave them alone because that way we know where they are .one couldnt make it up[/p][/quote]Exactly, "tough on crime and the causes of crime'. You couldn't make it up could you? Lets face it, the police have lost the battle thanks to leftish human rights policies and political correctness. They are scared to do anything in case they get criticised by some official for being too heavy handed. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 9

12:42am Sat 26 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

If you think of it drug dealing is never going to end as drug addiction is rife amongst the wealthy establishment who control society. As Britain in particular almost certainly has the most notoriously deferential class system in the world, this ultimately means that as long as the power of the ruling elite remains unbroken and unimpeachable the people who deal drugs will always have patrons who are much more powerful than the police or (ostensible) elected representatives of the people. The various mafias in other countries could only dream of having the absolute, untouchable control that the centuries old British establishment has.
If you think of it drug dealing is never going to end as drug addiction is rife amongst the wealthy establishment who control society. As Britain in particular almost certainly has the most notoriously deferential class system in the world, this ultimately means that as long as the power of the ruling elite remains unbroken and unimpeachable the people who deal drugs will always have patrons who are much more powerful than the police or (ostensible) elected representatives of the people. The various mafias in other countries could only dream of having the absolute, untouchable control that the centuries old British establishment has. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: 2

9:05am Sat 26 Apr 14

jimmysmith says...

kez1968 wrote:
As we see reported here in the argus, and by what we see in our own areas, pitiful sentences handed out by the judicial system, drug dealers openly going about there lives in flash cars and homes, smack heads wandering around looking for there next victim, police never seen unless it's a traffic infringement, etc...our councils, police, nhs populated by money grabbing fool's, the county of gwent has really declined in the last twenty years, it's really embarrassing to tell anybody were I come from.
one of the best posts ive read on this site
[quote][p][bold]kez1968[/bold] wrote: As we see reported here in the argus, and by what we see in our own areas, pitiful sentences handed out by the judicial system, drug dealers openly going about there lives in flash cars and homes, smack heads wandering around looking for there next victim, police never seen unless it's a traffic infringement, etc...our councils, police, nhs populated by money grabbing fool's, the county of gwent has really declined in the last twenty years, it's really embarrassing to tell anybody were I come from.[/p][/quote]one of the best posts ive read on this site jimmysmith
  • Score: 8

10:54am Sat 26 Apr 14

coalpicker says...

Where are the commissioners detractors now ? Clearly his dismissal of
the chief constable has been vindicated . The house of commons drones
should take note ,with similar application perhaps our country could be returned to us .
Where are the commissioners detractors now ? Clearly his dismissal of the chief constable has been vindicated . The house of commons drones should take note ,with similar application perhaps our country could be returned to us . coalpicker
  • Score: 2

4:32pm Sat 26 Apr 14

The Red Claw says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
If you think of it drug dealing is never going to end as drug addiction is rife amongst the wealthy establishment who control society. As Britain in particular almost certainly has the most notoriously deferential class system in the world, this ultimately means that as long as the power of the ruling elite remains unbroken and unimpeachable the people who deal drugs will always have patrons who are much more powerful than the police or (ostensible) elected representatives of the people. The various mafias in other countries could only dream of having the absolute, untouchable control that the centuries old British establishment has.
The British establishment doesn’t get a look in. Foreign crime gangs already have absolute and untouchable control of the drugs trade within Britain, a situation that has existed now for a considerable number of years. They have no desire or any need of further influence. They supply vast quantities of drugs to this country which is considered a very lucrative and profitable market to exploit. The mules, dealers and users within Britain, whatever their class, are merely regarded as expendable and weak minded fools way down the ladder, always easily replaced, who can always be relied on to carry the can if caught.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: If you think of it drug dealing is never going to end as drug addiction is rife amongst the wealthy establishment who control society. As Britain in particular almost certainly has the most notoriously deferential class system in the world, this ultimately means that as long as the power of the ruling elite remains unbroken and unimpeachable the people who deal drugs will always have patrons who are much more powerful than the police or (ostensible) elected representatives of the people. The various mafias in other countries could only dream of having the absolute, untouchable control that the centuries old British establishment has.[/p][/quote]The British establishment doesn’t get a look in. Foreign crime gangs already have absolute and untouchable control of the drugs trade within Britain, a situation that has existed now for a considerable number of years. They have no desire or any need of further influence. They supply vast quantities of drugs to this country which is considered a very lucrative and profitable market to exploit. The mules, dealers and users within Britain, whatever their class, are merely regarded as expendable and weak minded fools way down the ladder, always easily replaced, who can always be relied on to carry the can if caught. The Red Claw
  • Score: 9

10:22am Sun 27 Apr 14

Antiloquax2703 says...

Can anyone tell me why the current chief is so silent on crime figures now. He was deputy when crime was not being recorded with integrity and as such the prime mover and shaker. At that time police officers were being told not to record over a certain number of crime each day and enforcement work was not going on because it would have meant more crime being recorded. Farrar was a the forefront of this. When he spoke to the Select Committee, he showed what an idiot he really is. Now he's a paragon of crime recording virtue. The increase in crime shows how dishonest Gwent Police have been. Not until he has gone will we be able to start over is establishing some trust.
Can anyone tell me why the current chief is so silent on crime figures now. He was deputy when crime was not being recorded with integrity and as such the prime mover and shaker. At that time police officers were being told not to record over a certain number of crime each day and enforcement work was not going on because it would have meant more crime being recorded. Farrar was a the forefront of this. When he spoke to the Select Committee, he showed what an idiot he really is. Now he's a paragon of crime recording virtue. The increase in crime shows how dishonest Gwent Police have been. Not until he has gone will we be able to start over is establishing some trust. Antiloquax2703
  • Score: 6

2:12pm Sun 27 Apr 14

regaturn says...

Antiloquax2703 wrote:
Can anyone tell me why the current chief is so silent on crime figures now. He was deputy when crime was not being recorded with integrity and as such the prime mover and shaker. At that time police officers were being told not to record over a certain number of crime each day and enforcement work was not going on because it would have meant more crime being recorded. Farrar was a the forefront of this. When he spoke to the Select Committee, he showed what an idiot he really is. Now he's a paragon of crime recording virtue. The increase in crime shows how dishonest Gwent Police have been. Not until he has gone will we be able to start over is establishing some trust.
Great post, just about says it all.
[quote][p][bold]Antiloquax2703[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me why the current chief is so silent on crime figures now. He was deputy when crime was not being recorded with integrity and as such the prime mover and shaker. At that time police officers were being told not to record over a certain number of crime each day and enforcement work was not going on because it would have meant more crime being recorded. Farrar was a the forefront of this. When he spoke to the Select Committee, he showed what an idiot he really is. Now he's a paragon of crime recording virtue. The increase in crime shows how dishonest Gwent Police have been. Not until he has gone will we be able to start over is establishing some trust.[/p][/quote]Great post, just about says it all. regaturn
  • Score: 5

8:22am Mon 28 Apr 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

These senior officers have become like politicians not policemen anymore.
They are answerable to government rather than the people.
Most are career driven individuals who have only one aim and that is to reach the top by any means.
They are politically correct automatons,often university educated and out of touch with everyday policeman on the ground.
These senior officers have become like politicians not policemen anymore. They are answerable to government rather than the people. Most are career driven individuals who have only one aim and that is to reach the top by any means. They are politically correct automatons,often university educated and out of touch with everyday policeman on the ground. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: 4

2:42pm Mon 28 Apr 14

county mad says...

Maybe if gwent police were proactive instead of reactive there wouldnt be so much violent crime. I drive a taxi I notice in Cardiff there are many police spread around the city centre more cctv and they intervene at the first sign of trouble,in Newport Cwmbran and Pontypool they are called out by which time things have intensified. Also all three centres have a oneway traffic system, like Cardiff, so it takes longer to reach the trouble,unlike in Cardiff where they aree on scene,simples!
Maybe if gwent police were proactive instead of reactive there wouldnt be so much violent crime. I drive a taxi I notice in Cardiff there are many police spread around the city centre more cctv and they intervene at the first sign of trouble,in Newport Cwmbran and Pontypool they are called out by which time things have intensified. Also all three centres have a oneway traffic system, like Cardiff, so it takes longer to reach the trouble,unlike in Cardiff where they aree on scene,simples! county mad
  • Score: 3

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