Work on new M4 Junction 28 'set to start in 2016'

South Wales Argus: Work on new M4 Junction 28 'set to start in 2016' Work on new M4 Junction 28 'set to start in 2016'

WORK to improve a Newport traffic bottleneck should begin in 2016, a Welsh Government minister has said.

Edwina Hart, transport minister, said that the Welsh Government is on the hunt for contractors for works to improve junction 28 on the M4 at Tredegar House.

The works are part of a number of measures the Welsh Government is taking to improve the motorway - and could see a Coldra-style link from the M4 eastbound to the A48.

In a letter Ms Hart told Labour Newport West AM Rosemary Butler said: “An employers agent has been appointed and topographic surveys have recently been completed, using laser technology to avoid lane closures and traffic disruption.

“We are now in the process of identifying potential design and build contractors.

“Invitations to tender will follow further planning and design works, in liaison with Newport City Council.

“Subject to obtaining the appropriate powers, works are programmed to begin in 2016.”

The Argus reported last summer that junction 28 was due to be upgraded as part of a series of road improvements.

According to the Construction Inquirer website, tender documents show the new junction will be made longer with a central link from the M4 eastbound to the A48.

It will involve the demolition of the westbound on-slip to the M4 underbridge over the A48, the website reported.

The details suggest that if the design goes ahead as planned, the new junction may be similar in operation to the Coldra, where a central link road through the roundabout takes motorists from the A449 straight to the M4 westbound.

Chris Evans, Rogerstone Labour councillor, said work has already now began on a series of road improvements in Rogerstone to help ease congestion.

He said Rogerstone councillors have been lobbying for improvements to junction 28 since their election.

“These improvements will undoubtedly ease residents’ morning and afternoon drive times thanks to Rosemary Butler and the minister for listening and acting,” he added.

Ms Butler said she welcomed the information provided in the letter.

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9:02am Mon 12 May 14

blackandamber says...

Perhaps if they opened the rail link between Rogerstone and Wales third largest city it may reduce the bottleneck even more.
Perhaps if they opened the rail link between Rogerstone and Wales third largest city it may reduce the bottleneck even more. blackandamber
  • Score: 26

9:35am Mon 12 May 14

theviking666 says...

out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?
out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four? theviking666
  • Score: 14

9:38am Mon 12 May 14

dky1899 says...

Lets hope they do a better job than the mess which is the Junction 28 roundabout....which is a serious accident waiting to happen (with cars blocking the slip road onto the eastbound M4).

The 2 main traffic flows are Forge Road (AM) and Cardiff Road East (PM) access off the motorway at either rush hour is not normally any problem.

And continuing to build more and more housing in Bassaleg/Rogerstone will only make matters worse...but that wont stop them developing the old golf course or Alcan site.
Lets hope they do a better job than the mess which is the Junction 28 roundabout....which is a serious accident waiting to happen (with cars blocking the slip road onto the eastbound M4). The 2 main traffic flows are Forge Road (AM) and Cardiff Road East (PM) access off the motorway at either rush hour is not normally any problem. And continuing to build more and more housing in Bassaleg/Rogerstone will only make matters worse...but that wont stop them developing the old golf course or Alcan site. dky1899
  • Score: 17

9:40am Mon 12 May 14

dky1899 says...

dky1899 wrote:
Lets hope they do a better job than the mess which is the Junction 28 roundabout....which is a serious accident waiting to happen (with cars blocking the slip road onto the eastbound M4).

The 2 main traffic flows are Forge Road (AM) and Cardiff Road East (PM) access off the motorway at either rush hour is not normally any problem.

And continuing to build more and more housing in Bassaleg/Rogerstone will only make matters worse...but that wont stop them developing the old golf course or Alcan site.
Meant Cardiff Road West (PM)
[quote][p][bold]dky1899[/bold] wrote: Lets hope they do a better job than the mess which is the Junction 28 roundabout....which is a serious accident waiting to happen (with cars blocking the slip road onto the eastbound M4). The 2 main traffic flows are Forge Road (AM) and Cardiff Road East (PM) access off the motorway at either rush hour is not normally any problem. And continuing to build more and more housing in Bassaleg/Rogerstone will only make matters worse...but that wont stop them developing the old golf course or Alcan site.[/p][/quote]Meant Cardiff Road West (PM) dky1899
  • Score: 4

10:00am Mon 12 May 14

Welshman76 says...

dky1899 wrote:
Lets hope they do a better job than the mess which is the Junction 28 roundabout....which is a serious accident waiting to happen (with cars blocking the slip road onto the eastbound M4).

The 2 main traffic flows are Forge Road (AM) and Cardiff Road East (PM) access off the motorway at either rush hour is not normally any problem.

And continuing to build more and more housing in Bassaleg/Rogerstone will only make matters worse...but that wont stop them developing the old golf course or Alcan site.
Confused by this comment because isn't the article about improving junction 28!!!
[quote][p][bold]dky1899[/bold] wrote: Lets hope they do a better job than the mess which is the Junction 28 roundabout....which is a serious accident waiting to happen (with cars blocking the slip road onto the eastbound M4). The 2 main traffic flows are Forge Road (AM) and Cardiff Road East (PM) access off the motorway at either rush hour is not normally any problem. And continuing to build more and more housing in Bassaleg/Rogerstone will only make matters worse...but that wont stop them developing the old golf course or Alcan site.[/p][/quote]Confused by this comment because isn't the article about improving junction 28!!! Welshman76
  • Score: 5

10:36am Mon 12 May 14

-trigg- says...

theviking666 wrote:
out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?
This is due to engineering works on the line into Cardiff. There was never a problem with running the Ebbw Vale line into Newport, beyond the extra congestion on the line.

Due to this change I've had occasion to visit Newport station for the first time in several months and I noticed that below the "Newport" station identifier signs on the platform there are signs advertising the services of the Samaritans. I know Newport is bad, but still...
[quote][p][bold]theviking666[/bold] wrote: out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?[/p][/quote]This is due to engineering works on the line into Cardiff. There was never a problem with running the Ebbw Vale line into Newport, beyond the extra congestion on the line. Due to this change I've had occasion to visit Newport station for the first time in several months and I noticed that below the "Newport" station identifier signs on the platform there are signs advertising the services of the Samaritans. I know Newport is bad, but still... -trigg-
  • Score: 1

11:31am Mon 12 May 14

Walter Devereux says...

theviking666 wrote:
out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?
Yes indeed: As a result of the resignalling between Cardiff and Newport all services to/from Ebbw Vale now start and terminate in Newport. This surely finally puts paid to the idea that it is somehow operationally impossible to run this service.
[quote][p][bold]theviking666[/bold] wrote: out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?[/p][/quote]Yes indeed: As a result of the resignalling between Cardiff and Newport all services to/from Ebbw Vale now start and terminate in Newport. This surely finally puts paid to the idea that it is somehow operationally impossible to run this service. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 15

12:53pm Mon 12 May 14

Roggie girl says...

This is all well and good but they should really concentrate on sorting out a link to caerphilly rather having heavy traffic and lorries speeding through my village in Bassaleg!! It's scary walking my kids to and from school every day!!
Road isn't built for the amount of heavy vehicles that drive through and certainly isn't very safe either... :(
This is all well and good but they should really concentrate on sorting out a link to caerphilly rather having heavy traffic and lorries speeding through my village in Bassaleg!! It's scary walking my kids to and from school every day!! Road isn't built for the amount of heavy vehicles that drive through and certainly isn't very safe either... :( Roggie girl
  • Score: 9

1:40pm Mon 12 May 14

Lliswerry Man says...

Well its about time, but lets hope it is more than just a slip road to the A48, the design of it all needs looking at, especially at Peak Times, the traffic light system fails as people jump them and block traffic coming off various other junctions. ( traffic light cameras would help )
It needs more slip roads, rather than throw everything onto the roundabout and clog traffic, A slip road straight onto the M4 both east and west from Forge Road would ease some, and vice versa, taking traffic away from the roundabout will ease traffic coming from the A48 then.... quite funny how the businesses are along the A48, did they complain to get things sorted? bit like the staff at the old BSO offices, which now has traffic lights, but none for Duffryn?, ALL these routes need "careful" designing and planning, by TOP quality surveyors, who can improve it, not make it worse.
A rail link is fine for those who can take a train, does nothing to help shift workers, traffic is always going to be an issue whether people like it or not, or would you not like your goods delivered?
Will be watching this "new design" to see how and if it improves this bottleneck.
Well its about time, but lets hope it is more than just a slip road to the A48, the design of it all needs looking at, especially at Peak Times, the traffic light system fails as people jump them and block traffic coming off various other junctions. ( traffic light cameras would help ) It needs more slip roads, rather than throw everything onto the roundabout and clog traffic, A slip road straight onto the M4 both east and west from Forge Road would ease some, and vice versa, taking traffic away from the roundabout will ease traffic coming from the A48 then.... quite funny how the businesses are along the A48, did they complain to get things sorted? bit like the staff at the old BSO offices, which now has traffic lights, but none for Duffryn?, ALL these routes need "careful" designing and planning, by TOP quality surveyors, who can improve it, not make it worse. A rail link is fine for those who can take a train, does nothing to help shift workers, traffic is always going to be an issue whether people like it or not, or would you not like your goods delivered? Will be watching this "new design" to see how and if it improves this bottleneck. Lliswerry Man
  • Score: 3

1:57pm Mon 12 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

I am somewhat surprised that Ms Hart is touting this as a design & build scheme. Numerous designs have already been tabled with approximate costs in excess of 3 years ago. I should know I did the estimates.

They ranged from viaducts & flyovers in various directions to simple slip road modifications. Are the DFT that incompetent that they have been unable to develop these ideas further?

Or is it another case of not enough money for what is really required so we get another half baked idea that still costs a lot and achieves very little?
I am somewhat surprised that Ms Hart is touting this as a design & build scheme. Numerous designs have already been tabled with approximate costs in excess of 3 years ago. I should know I did the estimates. They ranged from viaducts & flyovers in various directions to simple slip road modifications. Are the DFT that incompetent that they have been unable to develop these ideas further? Or is it another case of not enough money for what is really required so we get another half baked idea that still costs a lot and achieves very little? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 8

2:12pm Mon 12 May 14

displayed says...

Are they using this scheme, so they can introduce the super M4 plan more easily;
http://www.m4newport
.com/the-draft-plan.
html
http://www.m4newport
.com/assets/issue-m4
-draft-plan-consulta
tion-document.pdf

No, it couldn't b, could it?
Are they using this scheme, so they can introduce the super M4 plan more easily; http://www.m4newport .com/the-draft-plan. html http://www.m4newport .com/assets/issue-m4 -draft-plan-consulta tion-document.pdf No, it couldn't b, could it? displayed
  • Score: -6

3:31pm Mon 12 May 14

Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk says...

The people of Newport have been told rubbish about this connection for years,
and the connection to bedwas, machen, rhiwderin, There is scope there is the track in place. And it is used twice a week for stone going from machen quarry. NOW that is why we did tell the city council and officers and the local councillors of all four wards affected, Rogerstone, Rhiwderin, allteryn, gaer,
The voters of newport have been kept in the dark and feed bull manure.
For 20 yrs . The Royal train was stabled in machen until decommissioning,
That is why this paper and and its reporters. And local meeting planning meetings. That Rogerstone railway was being put in the wrong place.
Any where lower then the junction to machen and cearphilly at pye corner.
This could have been goldenmile view or park jcn on the gaer est,
The city council don't want to lntergration of transport it wants the castration of forward thinking. Now we hope you will join us in ask for better integration of transport in south east wales. So we can shed some light on the failings of
officers and councillors. To get to true information behind the deception given To community's , commuters, and businessman looking to regenerate the valley communities and people for ease of transport links to south east wales.
and jobs in newport, cwmbran, Chepstow or beyond. This must be sorted .
Newport you have been feed bull for tolong put the train services into newport.
The people of Newport have been told rubbish about this connection for years, and the connection to bedwas, machen, rhiwderin, There is scope there is the track in place. And it is used twice a week for stone going from machen quarry. NOW that is why we did tell the city council and officers and the local councillors of all four wards affected, Rogerstone, Rhiwderin, allteryn, gaer, The voters of newport have been kept in the dark and feed bull manure. For 20 yrs . The Royal train was stabled in machen until decommissioning, That is why this paper and and its reporters. And local meeting planning meetings. That Rogerstone railway was being put in the wrong place. Any where lower then the junction to machen and cearphilly at pye corner. This could have been goldenmile view or park jcn on the gaer est, The city council don't want to lntergration of transport it wants the castration of forward thinking. Now we hope you will join us in ask for better integration of transport in south east wales. So we can shed some light on the failings of officers and councillors. To get to true information behind the deception given To community's , commuters, and businessman looking to regenerate the valley communities and people for ease of transport links to south east wales. and jobs in newport, cwmbran, Chepstow or beyond. This must be sorted . Newport you have been feed bull for tolong put the train services into newport. Campaign for better transport/Swites.org.uk
  • Score: -1

8:20pm Mon 12 May 14

chrisbart says...

Not sure how it can have a central link like the Coldra as the J28 roundabout is much smaller in diameter, and is offset to the M4 so it is not as simple as suggested. There was a plan some years ago involving a squared-off arrangement with lots of traffic lights, and the westbound slip bridge being removed - maybe it has been resurrected? Whatever it is, expect at least a year of chaos. The last revamp in the 90's 'only' involved making the roundabout smaller to allow more lanes and adding the dedicated slip roads to take some traffic off the roundabout; and that took 9 months. It did reduce congestion at peak times but the inexorable rise in traffic levels have cancelled out the improvements.
Not sure how it can have a central link like the Coldra as the J28 roundabout is much smaller in diameter, and is offset to the M4 so it is not as simple as suggested. There was a plan some years ago involving a squared-off arrangement with lots of traffic lights, and the westbound slip bridge being removed - maybe it has been resurrected? Whatever it is, expect at least a year of chaos. The last revamp in the 90's 'only' involved making the roundabout smaller to allow more lanes and adding the dedicated slip roads to take some traffic off the roundabout; and that took 9 months. It did reduce congestion at peak times but the inexorable rise in traffic levels have cancelled out the improvements. chrisbart
  • Score: 2

8:47pm Mon 12 May 14

Lord coed melyn says...

Lliswerry Man wrote:
Well its about time, but lets hope it is more than just a slip road to the A48, the design of it all needs looking at, especially at Peak Times, the traffic light system fails as people jump them and block traffic coming off various other junctions. ( traffic light cameras would help )
It needs more slip roads, rather than throw everything onto the roundabout and clog traffic, A slip road straight onto the M4 both east and west from Forge Road would ease some, and vice versa, taking traffic away from the roundabout will ease traffic coming from the A48 then.... quite funny how the businesses are along the A48, did they complain to get things sorted? bit like the staff at the old BSO offices, which now has traffic lights, but none for Duffryn?, ALL these routes need "careful" designing and planning, by TOP quality surveyors, who can improve it, not make it worse.
A rail link is fine for those who can take a train, does nothing to help shift workers, traffic is always going to be an issue whether people like it or not, or would you not like your goods delivered?
Will be watching this "new design" to see how and if it improves this bottleneck.
TRAINS DO NOT HELP SHIFT WORKERS ?
On that point they may not ?. BUT they can on some shifts, And they as well as buses reduce the amount of traffic using the roads. As well as walking and cycling on routes that are safe, away from congested traffic.
YES ? junction 28 is a mess?. But we know in the end we have to reduce traffic use on roads. What has to be on the road must get the benefit of reduction, ie costs for road haulage that cannot go by rail, Ever growing costs
of parking. or in some cases running a car in the future. And the ever growing need for construction of roads and interchanges. That become in some cases a one or two hour slow moving tick over pad on the way to and from work or to get a look at the shops.
[quote][p][bold]Lliswerry Man[/bold] wrote: Well its about time, but lets hope it is more than just a slip road to the A48, the design of it all needs looking at, especially at Peak Times, the traffic light system fails as people jump them and block traffic coming off various other junctions. ( traffic light cameras would help ) It needs more slip roads, rather than throw everything onto the roundabout and clog traffic, A slip road straight onto the M4 both east and west from Forge Road would ease some, and vice versa, taking traffic away from the roundabout will ease traffic coming from the A48 then.... quite funny how the businesses are along the A48, did they complain to get things sorted? bit like the staff at the old BSO offices, which now has traffic lights, but none for Duffryn?, ALL these routes need "careful" designing and planning, by TOP quality surveyors, who can improve it, not make it worse. A rail link is fine for those who can take a train, does nothing to help shift workers, traffic is always going to be an issue whether people like it or not, or would you not like your goods delivered? Will be watching this "new design" to see how and if it improves this bottleneck.[/p][/quote]TRAINS DO NOT HELP SHIFT WORKERS ? On that point they may not ?. BUT they can on some shifts, And they as well as buses reduce the amount of traffic using the roads. As well as walking and cycling on routes that are safe, away from congested traffic. YES ? junction 28 is a mess?. But we know in the end we have to reduce traffic use on roads. What has to be on the road must get the benefit of reduction, ie costs for road haulage that cannot go by rail, Ever growing costs of parking. or in some cases running a car in the future. And the ever growing need for construction of roads and interchanges. That become in some cases a one or two hour slow moving tick over pad on the way to and from work or to get a look at the shops. Lord coed melyn
  • Score: -1

9:06pm Mon 12 May 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

This link provides some further information, it may be of assistance.
http://www.construct
ionenquirer.com/?s=m
4+newport&x=33&y=17

I agree with the comments regarding the lack of joined up thinking regarding integrated transport links.
Certainly, there should be no further housing development in Rogerstone before the improvements have been made. However, the city planning dept; do not appear to listen to residents and councillors need to be more forceful.
Certainly, many of the authorities employees lack the formal qualifications to substantiate the jobs they hold.
This link provides some further information, it may be of assistance. http://www.construct ionenquirer.com/?s=m 4+newport&x=33&y=17 I agree with the comments regarding the lack of joined up thinking regarding integrated transport links. Certainly, there should be no further housing development in Rogerstone before the improvements have been made. However, the city planning dept; do not appear to listen to residents and councillors need to be more forceful. Certainly, many of the authorities employees lack the formal qualifications to substantiate the jobs they hold. Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 0

7:16am Tue 13 May 14

Dolieboy says...

Would have been nice if they added an artists impression of how it would look.
Would have been nice if they added an artists impression of how it would look. Dolieboy
  • Score: 3

11:39am Tue 13 May 14

Bobevans says...

It sound like another cheap fix rather than a long term solution. The junction is simple overloaded and needs major work to solve it.

They are also making the daft statement that work will start in 2016 yet they have no design or contractor or costing's yet. If that's the way they go about major projects it is little wonder most end up a mess
It sound like another cheap fix rather than a long term solution. The junction is simple overloaded and needs major work to solve it. They are also making the daft statement that work will start in 2016 yet they have no design or contractor or costing's yet. If that's the way they go about major projects it is little wonder most end up a mess Bobevans
  • Score: -2

11:54am Tue 13 May 14

displayed says...

Dolieboy wrote:
Would have been nice if they added an artists impression of how it would look.
Well we all know artists are prone to flights of fantasy.............
...
[quote][p][bold]Dolieboy[/bold] wrote: Would have been nice if they added an artists impression of how it would look.[/p][/quote]Well we all know artists are prone to flights of fantasy............. ... displayed
  • Score: 0

2:05pm Tue 13 May 14

-trigg- says...

The big problem doesn't actually seem to be the junction itself, more the weight of traffic on the approach roads to it who are heading into and out of Newport with no intention of using the M4.

I don't pretend to have all the answers but a good starting point would be to allow this traffic to progress normally without being delayed by or causing delay to vehicles leaving or joining the motorway.
The big problem doesn't actually seem to be the junction itself, more the weight of traffic on the approach roads to it who are heading into and out of Newport with no intention of using the M4. I don't pretend to have all the answers but a good starting point would be to allow this traffic to progress normally without being delayed by or causing delay to vehicles leaving or joining the motorway. -trigg-
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Sun 18 May 14

mocyoung says...

-trigg- wrote:
theviking666 wrote:
out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?
This is due to engineering works on the line into Cardiff. There was never a problem with running the Ebbw Vale line into Newport, beyond the extra congestion on the line.

Due to this change I've had occasion to visit Newport station for the first time in several months and I noticed that below the "Newport" station identifier signs on the platform there are signs advertising the services of the Samaritans. I know Newport is bad, but still...
That's for people who may want to kill themselves by jumping under trains and are a fairly common site at railway stations around the country.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]theviking666[/bold] wrote: out of interest, I was on Newport railway station on Thursday, and there was a train going to Rogerstone , Risca and on up the valley, waiting at platform four?[/p][/quote]This is due to engineering works on the line into Cardiff. There was never a problem with running the Ebbw Vale line into Newport, beyond the extra congestion on the line. Due to this change I've had occasion to visit Newport station for the first time in several months and I noticed that below the "Newport" station identifier signs on the platform there are signs advertising the services of the Samaritans. I know Newport is bad, but still...[/p][/quote]That's for people who may want to kill themselves by jumping under trains and are a fairly common site at railway stations around the country. mocyoung
  • Score: 0

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