EU POLL: Labour tops poll in Wales but Newport's Jayne Bryant fails in election bid

South Wales Argus: Jayne Bryant following the result Jayne Bryant following the result

DESPITE winning the most votes Labour has failed in its bid to get Newport-based candidate Jayne Bryant elected after UKIP came a strong second in the Wales-wide European election poll.

The UK Independence Party were within just hundreds of votes of coming first in Newport – and either topped the poll or came second in every local authority count in Wales.

In the end the status quo was maintained at one Welsh MEP to Labour, UKIP, the Tories and Plaid each, who came first, second, third and fourth respectively.

Derek Vaughan, Kay Swinburne and Jill Evans were re-elected for Labour, the Tories and Plaid respectively in the result announced in Fishguard late Sunday night.

Nathan Gill was elected for UKIP.

Labour won four out of five Gwent counties excluding Monmouthshire, where the Conservatives came top. UKIP came second in them all.

The Lib Dems polled dismally across Gwent, often coming behind Plaid and the Greens and, in one case, the BNP.

Labour won 206,332 votes across Wales, compared to 201,983 for UKIP, 127,742 for the Tories and 111,864 for Plaid.

In Newport Labour topped the poll but only by fewer than 300 votes – 10,648 to UKIP’s 10,376.

The Tories came third with 5,804. Plaid and the Greens, who don’t have any councillors on Newport council, beat the Lib Dems to take fourth and fifth place respectively, pushing the Lib Dems into sixth.

Up in Torfaen Labour won again, with 7,183 votes, with UKIP coming second at 6,569. The Tories came third at 2,799.

Caerphilly’s Labour vote came out on top at 14,253, with UKIP getting 11,809 and coming second. Plaid – the second largest group on Caerphilly council - came third at 5,392.

In Blaenau Gwent Labour won with 6,621 of the vote, with UKIP polling 4,300 votes and coming second. Plaid came third at 1,164.

The Lib Dems were beaten in the county by the BNP – 191 votes to 298.

Finally, in Monmouthshire the Tories polled top at 7,969 with UKIP second at 6,757. Labour came third at 4,769.

Jayne Bryant had hoped to be elected as Labour’s second MEP and earlier polling had suggested she was in with a good chance – but on the night only her no.1 counterpart Mr Vaughan, already an MEP, was elected.

Ms Bryant told the Argus: “It’s obviously really disappointing to just miss out. I’m pleased we’ve topped the poll in Wales.

“I always knew it was going to be tight... it was always going to be close. We just had to try our best.

“I didn’t know what to expect. It’s so hard when you’re campaigning throughout Wales to know how it’s going. We contacted double the amount of people in 2009, we did as many leaflets.

“The national media was saturated with UKIP... which has been disappointing, without people challenging their policies.”

Paul Flynn, Newport West MP, said the UKIP performance was an “enormous protest vote” but cast an optimistic note when he said he thought trust and confidence could be restored in politicians.

“Every party is going to have to deal with it. There’s an anti-politics feeling, and it’s up to us to restore trust and confidence in politics,” he said.

“I’m sure it will.”

Nathan Gill, newly elected MEP for UKIP, told the Argus that UKIP will now look at finding three or four target seats in the country to aim for at the next general election.

He said: "We've doubled our vote. We came first and second in every single constituency.

"The people were behind us."

Mr Gill said UKIP is going to have to look at its results "and where we have got a good structure with all of our branches... we will concentrate our effort with three or four targets seats in Wales."

Jill Evans, Plaid's MEP who was tonight re-elected, said it was a tough campaign.

"We are very pleased to have kept the seat, particularly after an opinion poll showing we would lose the seat we did turn that around," she said.

Ms Evans said there had been a "very negative" campaign on the EU: "Although she wasn't a referendum on EU membership a lot of issues were raised affected the way people voted."

She said the vote reflected people's disappointment with politicians.

Tory MEP Kay Swinburne, who has won her seat back, said the Conservatives should "absolutely not" go into a pact with UKIP.

"I think there are issues where people are not happy with the way Europe is going. People want reform and hopefully we will be able to deliver that,” she added.

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9:06am Mon 26 May 14

cath 872 says...

I did not vote UKIP, but many people did, and throughout the UK , not just in one or two places. I have been watching the same identikit MP's trotting out the same boring mantra on tv this morning, "we are listening to the people......we are the party of change.......unlike the other parties we will learn from this",.......etc. Can they hear themselves? Are their brains wired differently to the rest of us?
I did not vote UKIP, but many people did, and throughout the UK , not just in one or two places. I have been watching the same identikit MP's trotting out the same boring mantra on tv this morning, "we are listening to the people......we are the party of change.......unlike the other parties we will learn from this",.......etc. Can they hear themselves? Are their brains wired differently to the rest of us? cath 872
  • Score: 16

9:16am Mon 26 May 14

Magor says...

Good,she has never had a real job.Labour needs to get back to basics and get some real people as candidates.
Good,she has never had a real job.Labour needs to get back to basics and get some real people as candidates. Magor
  • Score: 13

9:32am Mon 26 May 14

Woodgnome says...

The pilot fish Welsh Labour voters nearly created the land of their fathers yet again - but not quite.
The pilot fish Welsh Labour voters nearly created the land of their fathers yet again - but not quite. Woodgnome
  • Score: 3

9:51am Mon 26 May 14

Bobevans says...

What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect Bobevans
  • Score: -2

10:16am Mon 26 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

FANTASTIC - VOTE LABOUR YOUR FATHER DID

Its no wonder wales is the poorest nation in western europe most towns lye in a similar state to newport, and still the benefit dependant sheep vote for their precious labour.

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FANTASTIC - VOTE LABOUR YOUR FATHER DID Its no wonder wales is the poorest nation in western europe most towns lye in a similar state to newport, and still the benefit dependant sheep vote for their precious labour. MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAA scraptheWAG
  • Score: 6

10:19am Mon 26 May 14

landyman3030 says...

David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me.
350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.
David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me. 350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels. landyman3030
  • Score: 25

10:21am Mon 26 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff. scraptheWAG
  • Score: -12

10:42am Mon 26 May 14

Bill Chapman says...

Labour topped the poll in Wales. It's a shame that Jayne Bryant won't be joining Derek Vaughan in Brussels.
Labour topped the poll in Wales. It's a shame that Jayne Bryant won't be joining Derek Vaughan in Brussels. Bill Chapman
  • Score: -32

10:46am Mon 26 May 14

Carwyn Jones says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.
Hahaha! Go away you feeble peasant. I am the mighty Carwyn Jones and I'm trying to make your life as miserable as possible!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.[/p][/quote]Hahaha! Go away you feeble peasant. I am the mighty Carwyn Jones and I'm trying to make your life as miserable as possible! Carwyn Jones
  • Score: 11

10:47am Mon 26 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

Carwyn Jones wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.
Hahaha! Go away you feeble peasant. I am the mighty Carwyn Jones and I'm trying to make your life as miserable as possible!
its all the fault of underfunding from westminster lol
[quote][p][bold]Carwyn Jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.[/p][/quote]Hahaha! Go away you feeble peasant. I am the mighty Carwyn Jones and I'm trying to make your life as miserable as possible![/p][/quote]its all the fault of underfunding from westminster lol scraptheWAG
  • Score: -21

10:48am Mon 26 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

yes what a shame labour have done so well by wales newport in particular .
yes what a shame labour have done so well by wales newport in particular . scraptheWAG
  • Score: -18

10:51am Mon 26 May 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people. That a substantial minority of Quislings elected to betray their fellow countryfolk and vote Ukip is a profound disappointment.

It's also quite clear that there is nothing UK, British or patriotic about Ukip and increasingly with every day that goes past, Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin.
I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people. That a substantial minority of Quislings elected to betray their fellow countryfolk and vote Ukip is a profound disappointment. It's also quite clear that there is nothing UK, British or patriotic about Ukip and increasingly with every day that goes past, Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -44

10:51am Mon 26 May 14

DW3693 says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.

If you think are not many Eastern Europeans in newport you obviously live a blinkered life. There are loads here.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff. If you think are not many Eastern Europeans in newport you obviously live a blinkered life. There are loads here. DW3693
  • Score: 19

10:55am Mon 26 May 14

scraptheWAG says...

DW3693 wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.
labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.

If you think are not many Eastern Europeans in newport you obviously live a blinkered life. There are loads here.
there are some but not swamped - so where are they working in newport?
[quote][p][bold]DW3693[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff.[/p][/quote]labour are too entrenched in wales huge benefits culture - and to be honest the E Europeans have not really come to wales - most jobs in wales what there is are poorly paid their is no real private sector to speak of just a load of public sector jobs that seem to been put into cardiff. If you think are not many Eastern Europeans in newport you obviously live a blinkered life. There are loads here.[/p][/quote]there are some but not swamped - so where are they working in newport? scraptheWAG
  • Score: -37

11:05am Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
Look Bob, filling in those postal voting forms is lengthy work and the Imams have (generally) only 2 hands. Patience, the results will get here (anyway if you'd made the effort to go to mosque last Friday you'd have heard them being announced.)
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]Look Bob, filling in those postal voting forms is lengthy work and the Imams have (generally) only 2 hands. Patience, the results will get here (anyway if you'd made the effort to go to mosque last Friday you'd have heard them being announced.) Dai Rear
  • Score: -5

11:14am Mon 26 May 14

Jonnytrouble says...

That's stopped another LIEBOUR (Jayne Bryant ) from getting a HIGH paid job doing nothing for Newport and Wales ! with Brussels Saying to THEM what they must do and WHAT not to do !
Newport is getting more and more East Europeans coming here taking local jobs, no wonder people are protesting with UKIP votes and the old voters keep on thinking about No 1 LIEBOUR but the NEW voters being the NEW generation of young voters are taking note ,WHY ? because there learning that the OLD parties offer nothing but LIES , they are struggling to get work. They are struggling to get a decent paid job after doing yrs in UNI and College !
That's stopped another LIEBOUR (Jayne Bryant ) from getting a HIGH paid job doing nothing for Newport and Wales ! with Brussels Saying to THEM what they must do and WHAT not to do ! Newport is getting more and more East Europeans coming here taking local jobs, no wonder people are protesting with UKIP votes and the old voters keep on thinking about No 1 LIEBOUR but the NEW voters being the NEW generation of young voters are taking note ,WHY ? because there learning that the OLD parties offer nothing but LIES , they are struggling to get work. They are struggling to get a decent paid job after doing yrs in UNI and College ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 19

11:15am Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people. That a substantial minority of Quislings elected to betray their fellow countryfolk and vote Ukip is a profound disappointment.

It's also quite clear that there is nothing UK, British or patriotic about Ukip and increasingly with every day that goes past, Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin.
Right , up to a point. Yes, the people of the UK don't understand the metropolitan elite's obsession with mock marriage, "hate crime police", "gender police". You know what? it's not very compelling stuff if your wages have been stagnating for years or you're grossing a tad over 40K and are treated as the uberrich.
But the good news is that because the majority think that all the stuff about reproductive dysfunction is trivial doesn't mean that they'll make you wear a pink cross-or whatever the lot did yonks ago. They don't care, KRR, they don't hate the "cis" or whatever other non-word you've just made up. They just don't care. They just hope UKIP won't go on & on & on about "cis" or whatever. It'll be a relief for the majority old chap.
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people. That a substantial minority of Quislings elected to betray their fellow countryfolk and vote Ukip is a profound disappointment. It's also quite clear that there is nothing UK, British or patriotic about Ukip and increasingly with every day that goes past, Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin.[/p][/quote]Right , up to a point. Yes, the people of the UK don't understand the metropolitan elite's obsession with mock marriage, "hate crime police", "gender police". You know what? it's not very compelling stuff if your wages have been stagnating for years or you're grossing a tad over 40K and are treated as the uberrich. But the good news is that because the majority think that all the stuff about reproductive dysfunction is trivial doesn't mean that they'll make you wear a pink cross-or whatever the lot did yonks ago. They don't care, KRR, they don't hate the "cis" or whatever other non-word you've just made up. They just don't care. They just hope UKIP won't go on & on & on about "cis" or whatever. It'll be a relief for the majority old chap. Dai Rear
  • Score: -21

11:33am Mon 26 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Katie R..."Nigel Farage seems
to give the game away that he is
nothing more than Putin's Poodle.
They may call themselves the United
Kingdom Independence Party but
may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and
his comrades seem to be getting
their orders directly from the
Kremlin."

Whatever drugs you are on, I want some!

No, on second thoughts....
Katie R..."Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin." Whatever drugs you are on, I want some! No, on second thoughts.... KarloMarko
  • Score: 18

11:50am Mon 26 May 14

Jonnytrouble says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Katie R..."Nigel Farage seems
to give the game away that he is
nothing more than Putin's Poodle.
They may call themselves the United
Kingdom Independence Party but
may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and
his comrades seem to be getting
their orders directly from the
Kremlin."

Whatever drugs you are on, I want some!

No, on second thoughts....
NO problems here in Newport if you need some is there ? Drugs that is by the way !
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Katie R..."Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin." Whatever drugs you are on, I want some! No, on second thoughts....[/p][/quote]NO problems here in Newport if you need some is there ? Drugs that is by the way ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Mon 26 May 14

Aquarius says...

Labour have much to be very, very nervous about. I have always voted for them in the past, but probably never again - at least the way things are now witjh the party. I see very little material difference between them and the Tories.

Locally, Labour in local authorities aren't exactly covering themselves in glory. The Welsh Assembly Government is presiding over some pretty shabby services, and engaging in cynical politics too. It never seems to occur to them that large swathes of Wales don't actually vote for them.

They are so convinced that their heartland supporters will keep ticking their box (without considering how little they're doing for their supporters) that they choose Wales as the place to parachute their favoured candidates - all of who have virtually nothing in common with the people who vote for them. So Aberavon will be getting Neil Kinnock's son as their prospective MP next time round. Married to the Danish Prime Minister, member of the World Economic Forum, son of two people who have personally done very well indeed thanks very much (classic champagne socialists) - and therefore just the sort of MP you'll need when you want your bins emptied on time, eh? I think not.

Milliband needs to wake up. As do all the other parotting the same lines "We are listening..." etc etc. They are not listening to us, they're patronising us. Personally I'm by no means convinced that leaving the EU is the right thing for the UK. But we deserve the right to have our say and abide by the majority.

I wonder if votes won't return to the more usual parties in 2015, but perhaps UKIP *is* here for the longer term - we don't really know yet. But if Milliband, Cameron and Clegg carry on as they are - looking after politicians instead of the electorate - they're REALLY going to get a spanking next time round.

As for Farage and his party, I strongly suspect they will turn out to be no different to every other political group. Once they've a foothold, what the electors think won't matter.
Labour have much to be very, very nervous about. I have always voted for them in the past, but probably never again - at least the way things are now witjh the party. I see very little material difference between them and the Tories. Locally, Labour in local authorities aren't exactly covering themselves in glory. The Welsh Assembly Government is presiding over some pretty shabby services, and engaging in cynical politics too. It never seems to occur to them that large swathes of Wales don't actually vote for them. They are so convinced that their heartland supporters will keep ticking their box (without considering how little they're doing for their supporters) that they choose Wales as the place to parachute their favoured candidates - all of who have virtually nothing in common with the people who vote for them. So Aberavon will be getting Neil Kinnock's son as their prospective MP next time round. Married to the Danish Prime Minister, member of the World Economic Forum, son of two people who have personally done very well indeed thanks very much (classic champagne socialists) - and therefore just the sort of MP you'll need when you want your bins emptied on time, eh? I think not. Milliband needs to wake up. As do all the other parotting the same lines "We are listening..." etc etc. They are not listening to us, they're patronising us. Personally I'm by no means convinced that leaving the EU is the right thing for the UK. But we deserve the right to have our say and abide by the majority. I wonder if votes won't return to the more usual parties in 2015, but perhaps UKIP *is* here for the longer term - we don't really know yet. But if Milliband, Cameron and Clegg carry on as they are - looking after politicians instead of the electorate - they're REALLY going to get a spanking next time round. As for Farage and his party, I strongly suspect they will turn out to be no different to every other political group. Once they've a foothold, what the electors think won't matter. Aquarius
  • Score: 21

12:30pm Mon 26 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Amen. I think the Stephen Kinnock saga and its fixes tells you all you need to know about the modern "Labour Party".

Kinnock jnr, Straw jnr, Harman jnr....I've already put my kids name down for a safe seat....well, you cant take chances..
Amen. I think the Stephen Kinnock saga and its fixes tells you all you need to know about the modern "Labour Party". Kinnock jnr, Straw jnr, Harman jnr....I've already put my kids name down for a safe seat....well, you cant take chances.. KarloMarko
  • Score: 20

12:40pm Mon 26 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Again the anti-labour critics wail about the 'sheeple' voting labour, if there as a many as agree with them, then why didn't they t urn out to vote for what they wanted ? No vote, no voice. 66% sat in and watched TV. Armchair critics all. Anyone expecting tories to win anything are the dreamers ! The UKIP has hit the real issue, London/Westminster and the plastic politicians are in for a fight, not before time. We may now see the condems' (In every sense of the word now !), start leaning more to the right to counter the UKIP, at least it will make it known, the pro-Europe lobby has desperately got the mood of the nation wrong. Not only the UK has, but Europeans are voting in anti-immigrant representatives, how long, before the respective governments get the message we want the drawbridge up and migration curtailed. Irrespective of how the rest of the UK votes Wales will remain anti-tory. Had it not been for 'migrant central' (London), the message would have been a lot clearer. It was blatantly obvious the migrant vote prevented the UKIP making a killing there too.
Again the anti-labour critics wail about the 'sheeple' voting labour, if there as a many as agree with them, then why didn't they t urn out to vote for what they wanted ? No vote, no voice. 66% sat in and watched TV. Armchair critics all. Anyone expecting tories to win anything are the dreamers ! The UKIP has hit the real issue, London/Westminster and the plastic politicians are in for a fight, not before time. We may now see the condems' (In every sense of the word now !), start leaning more to the right to counter the UKIP, at least it will make it known, the pro-Europe lobby has desperately got the mood of the nation wrong. Not only the UK has, but Europeans are voting in anti-immigrant representatives, how long, before the respective governments get the message we want the drawbridge up and migration curtailed. Irrespective of how the rest of the UK votes Wales will remain anti-tory. Had it not been for 'migrant central' (London), the message would have been a lot clearer. It was blatantly obvious the migrant vote prevented the UKIP making a killing there too. Mervyn James
  • Score: 11

12:42pm Mon 26 May 14

On the inside says...

As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.
As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters. On the inside
  • Score: -20

12:57pm Mon 26 May 14

KarloMarko says...

Well, Plaid Cymru has been remarkably quite! Jill Even's finger nails etching the glass she barely holds on.

"Tramp, tramp, tramp the boys are marching?" Well, not to Nat Land anyway. Out polled by UKIP in Wales? In 2014!

Saunders Lewis is spinning in his shroud.
Well, Plaid Cymru has been remarkably quite! Jill Even's finger nails etching the glass she barely holds on. "Tramp, tramp, tramp the boys are marching?" Well, not to Nat Land anyway. Out polled by UKIP in Wales? In 2014! Saunders Lewis is spinning in his shroud. KarloMarko
  • Score: 11

12:58pm Mon 26 May 14

-trigg- says...

If only the Tory party hadn't split the vote we may well have seen a UKOP dominated Wales.
If only the Tory party hadn't split the vote we may well have seen a UKOP dominated Wales. -trigg-
  • Score: -21

1:11pm Mon 26 May 14

Aquarius says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Amen. I think the Stephen Kinnock saga and its fixes tells you all you need to know about the modern "Labour Party".

Kinnock jnr, Straw jnr, Harman jnr....I've already put my kids name down for a safe seat....well, you cant take chances..
And don't forget Tony Blair's son Euan - someone who has shown no obvious talent OR any natural affinity with ordinary people (y'know...those of us without parents with political connections and millions in the bank...). Thyey were looking at putting HIM in as the prospective Labour candidate on Merseyside!
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Amen. I think the Stephen Kinnock saga and its fixes tells you all you need to know about the modern "Labour Party". Kinnock jnr, Straw jnr, Harman jnr....I've already put my kids name down for a safe seat....well, you cant take chances..[/p][/quote]And don't forget Tony Blair's son Euan - someone who has shown no obvious talent OR any natural affinity with ordinary people (y'know...those of us without parents with political connections and millions in the bank...). Thyey were looking at putting HIM in as the prospective Labour candidate on Merseyside! Aquarius
  • Score: 19

1:21pm Mon 26 May 14

Aquarius says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Again the anti-labour critics wail about the 'sheeple' voting labour, if there as a many as agree with them, then why didn't they t urn out to vote for what they wanted ? No vote, no voice. 66% sat in and watched TV. Armchair critics all. Anyone expecting tories to win anything are the dreamers ! The UKIP has hit the real issue, London/Westminster and the plastic politicians are in for a fight, not before time. We may now see the condems' (In every sense of the word now !), start leaning more to the right to counter the UKIP, at least it will make it known, the pro-Europe lobby has desperately got the mood of the nation wrong. Not only the UK has, but Europeans are voting in anti-immigrant representatives, how long, before the respective governments get the message we want the drawbridge up and migration curtailed. Irrespective of how the rest of the UK votes Wales will remain anti-tory. Had it not been for 'migrant central' (London), the message would have been a lot clearer. It was blatantly obvious the migrant vote prevented the UKIP making a killing there too.
Agreed about the voting turnout - disgraceful, really. People can't moan if they're not going to tick a box and have their say.

And it has nothing to do with 'anti Labour' or Labour voting 'sheeple' Mervyn. Having a vote transcends political beliefs - it should never be taken for granted.

So when was the last time you really felt either Ed Milliband or Carwyn Jones actually considered the views of their most fervent supporters?

Milliband needs to stop patronising people and give them more of a say. The reason Labour are not progressing is because people who previously supported them (like me) see them in the same 'ME ME ME' light as the Tories - out for the power, themselves and their mates. With very little material difference in policies and priorities.

Alas, the low turnout is probably due to all too many people thinking exactly the same way. Which is why UKIP did so well.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Again the anti-labour critics wail about the 'sheeple' voting labour, if there as a many as agree with them, then why didn't they t urn out to vote for what they wanted ? No vote, no voice. 66% sat in and watched TV. Armchair critics all. Anyone expecting tories to win anything are the dreamers ! The UKIP has hit the real issue, London/Westminster and the plastic politicians are in for a fight, not before time. We may now see the condems' (In every sense of the word now !), start leaning more to the right to counter the UKIP, at least it will make it known, the pro-Europe lobby has desperately got the mood of the nation wrong. Not only the UK has, but Europeans are voting in anti-immigrant representatives, how long, before the respective governments get the message we want the drawbridge up and migration curtailed. Irrespective of how the rest of the UK votes Wales will remain anti-tory. Had it not been for 'migrant central' (London), the message would have been a lot clearer. It was blatantly obvious the migrant vote prevented the UKIP making a killing there too.[/p][/quote]Agreed about the voting turnout - disgraceful, really. People can't moan if they're not going to tick a box and have their say. And it has nothing to do with 'anti Labour' or Labour voting 'sheeple' Mervyn. Having a vote transcends political beliefs - it should never be taken for granted. So when was the last time you really felt either Ed Milliband or Carwyn Jones actually considered the views of their most fervent supporters? Milliband needs to stop patronising people and give them more of a say. The reason Labour are not progressing is because people who previously supported them (like me) see them in the same 'ME ME ME' light as the Tories - out for the power, themselves and their mates. With very little material difference in policies and priorities. Alas, the low turnout is probably due to all too many people thinking exactly the same way. Which is why UKIP did so well. Aquarius
  • Score: 11

1:30pm Mon 26 May 14

Woodgnome says...

What do you expect Dai? On the Inside is a pilot fish who dare not swim away from his big Labour host shark.
What do you expect Dai? On the Inside is a pilot fish who dare not swim away from his big Labour host shark. Woodgnome
  • Score: -3

1:32pm Mon 26 May 14

Dai Rear says...

"Milliband needs to stop patronising people and give them more of a say. The reason Labour are not progressing is because people who previously supported them (like me) see them in the same 'ME ME ME' light as the Tories - out for the power, themselves and their mates. With very little material difference in policies and priorities."
Isn't it more that they think their voters are stupid? "We'll cut fuel prices" Well of course, without rationing fuel, you cannot. I don't vote Labour and I know that. I guess at least a third of Labour voters would too. Equally "We''ll bring back the Rent Acts" Do they really think their voters are so bl**dy stupid as not to know the Rent Acts were a disaster? Just like Cameron "Oh let's patronise the homosexuals by having mock marriage" Well, Astor's son-in-law, I doubt very much if homosexuals are stupid enough to change their political allegiances for rubbish like that. To me Farage doesn't patronise and he assumes some intelligence in his audience. How refreshing!
"Milliband needs to stop patronising people and give them more of a say. The reason Labour are not progressing is because people who previously supported them (like me) see them in the same 'ME ME ME' light as the Tories - out for the power, themselves and their mates. With very little material difference in policies and priorities." Isn't it more that they think their voters are stupid? "We'll cut fuel prices" Well of course, without rationing fuel, you cannot. I don't vote Labour and I know that. I guess at least a third of Labour voters would too. Equally "We''ll bring back the Rent Acts" Do they really think their voters are so bl**dy stupid as not to know the Rent Acts were a disaster? Just like Cameron "Oh let's patronise the homosexuals by having mock marriage" Well, Astor's son-in-law, I doubt very much if homosexuals are stupid enough to change their political allegiances for rubbish like that. To me Farage doesn't patronise and he assumes some intelligence in his audience. How refreshing! Dai Rear
  • Score: -15

1:32pm Mon 26 May 14

Bobevans says...

landyman3030 wrote:
David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me.
350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.
How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me. 350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.[/p][/quote]How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage Bobevans
  • Score: -10

1:32pm Mon 26 May 14

Bobevans says...

landyman3030 wrote:
David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me.
350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.
How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me. 350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.[/p][/quote]How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage Bobevans
  • Score: -14

1:58pm Mon 26 May 14

Spinflight says...

Gutted we lost out by 272 votes, though we took the majority of our votes from Newport East and beat labour easily there. By our figures 9 percent ahead.

If this had been a general election Newport East would be purple.


ukipnewport.com
Gutted we lost out by 272 votes, though we took the majority of our votes from Newport East and beat labour easily there. By our figures 9 percent ahead. If this had been a general election Newport East would be purple. ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -8

4:48pm Mon 26 May 14

sooty001 says...

Spinflight wrote:
Gutted we lost out by 272 votes, though we took the majority of our votes from Newport East and beat labour easily there. By our figures 9 percent ahead.

If this had been a general election Newport East would be purple.


ukipnewport.com
Tend to agree with you there in fact I would go as far as to say that if UKIP field a candidate in Newport East at the next election we could see the first UKIP Member of Parliament.People are becoming so disillusioned with the main parties,they promise the earth till they get to Westminster then just do as they please, let's have a change.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Gutted we lost out by 272 votes, though we took the majority of our votes from Newport East and beat labour easily there. By our figures 9 percent ahead. If this had been a general election Newport East would be purple. ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]Tend to agree with you there in fact I would go as far as to say that if UKIP field a candidate in Newport East at the next election we could see the first UKIP Member of Parliament.People are becoming so disillusioned with the main parties,they promise the earth till they get to Westminster then just do as they please, let's have a change. sooty001
  • Score: 10

5:16pm Mon 26 May 14

Magor says...

On the inside wrote:
As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.
Like the all women shortlist anti-men and anti-white racists in the Labour party.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.[/p][/quote]Like the all women shortlist anti-men and anti-white racists in the Labour party. Magor
  • Score: 6

5:34pm Mon 26 May 14

coalpicker says...

Probably one of the poorest regions ( valleys ) in western Europe and only
about twentytwo percent bothered to vote ,was Xfactor on or was it bingo night, of course someone could be putting something in the water .
Probably one of the poorest regions ( valleys ) in western Europe and only about twentytwo percent bothered to vote ,was Xfactor on or was it bingo night, of course someone could be putting something in the water . coalpicker
  • Score: 7

6:50pm Mon 26 May 14

Spinflight says...

We will be fielding candidates in both Newport seats, and all others for that matter.
We will be fielding candidates in both Newport seats, and all others for that matter. Spinflight
  • Score: -15

8:40pm Mon 26 May 14

throwy1 says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people. That a substantial minority of Quislings elected to betray their fellow countryfolk and vote Ukip is a profound disappointment.

It's also quite clear that there is nothing UK, British or patriotic about Ukip and increasingly with every day that goes past, Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin.
LGBTQ not equal with straight people. And parking a bus at our borders to stop imigration.
WoW Hail U.K.I.P.
The people have spoken
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people. That a substantial minority of Quislings elected to betray their fellow countryfolk and vote Ukip is a profound disappointment. It's also quite clear that there is nothing UK, British or patriotic about Ukip and increasingly with every day that goes past, Nigel Farage seems to give the game away that he is nothing more than Putin's Poodle. They may call themselves the United Kingdom Independence Party but may no mistake: Komissar Nigel and his comrades seem to be getting their orders directly from the Kremlin.[/p][/quote]LGBTQ not equal with straight people. And parking a bus at our borders to stop imigration. WoW Hail U.K.I.P. The people have spoken throwy1
  • Score: 4

8:41pm Mon 26 May 14

gingertom says...

People in wales will always vote labour so it's no wonder carwyn et al, don't bother answering letters and give one stock answer by email.
Then again you can email them and even then they don't bother replying. I have never come across such arrogance and ignorance.
Treat the people of wales with a bit more respect AM's in the national assembly or step off the gravy train.
People in wales will always vote labour so it's no wonder carwyn et al, don't bother answering letters and give one stock answer by email. Then again you can email them and even then they don't bother replying. I have never come across such arrogance and ignorance. Treat the people of wales with a bit more respect AM's in the national assembly or step off the gravy train. gingertom
  • Score: 6

9:12pm Mon 26 May 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies. BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 8

9:15pm Mon 26 May 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Magor wrote:
Good,she has never had a real job.Labour needs to get back to basics and get some real people as candidates.
So because she's young and a female she's automatically never had a 'real job', and is not a 'real person'?
Is that you Nigel Farage?
[quote][p][bold]Magor[/bold] wrote: Good,she has never had a real job.Labour needs to get back to basics and get some real people as candidates.[/p][/quote]So because she's young and a female she's automatically never had a 'real job', and is not a 'real person'? Is that you Nigel Farage? BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 9

9:18pm Mon 26 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.[/p][/quote]And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax? Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -25

9:45pm Mon 26 May 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?
It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples:

WOMENS' RIGHTS
They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace
http://www.leftfootf
orward.org/2014/05/1
5-reasons-women-shou
ldnt-vote-for-ukip/

DISABILITY
http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol
itics/ukip-chairman-
advocated-terminatio
n-of-downs-syndrome-
foetuses-and-breakin
g-from-the-eu-by-for
ce-claims-tory-mp-91
10147.html

NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor)
http://www.paulnutta
llmep.com/?p=712

RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples)
Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black
http://www.theguardi
an.com/politics/2014
/mar/05/ukip-council
lor-donna-edmunds-wo
men-gay-people
Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country'
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-politics-27
202753

TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires)
http://www.thecommen
tator.com/article/49
31/ukip_is_not_a_rac
ist_party_but_its_ec
onomic_policy_is_bun
k
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.[/p][/quote]And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?[/p][/quote]It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples: WOMENS' RIGHTS They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace http://www.leftfootf orward.org/2014/05/1 5-reasons-women-shou ldnt-vote-for-ukip/ DISABILITY http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor) http://www.paulnutta llmep.com/?p=712 RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples) Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /mar/05/ukip-council lor-donna-edmunds-wo men-gay-people Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country' http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 202753 TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires) http://www.thecommen tator.com/article/49 31/ukip_is_not_a_rac ist_party_but_its_ec onomic_policy_is_bun k BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 9

9:59pm Mon 26 May 14

landyman3030 says...

On the inside wrote:
As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.
Haha. You complain about the SWA providing a bent forum but then you complain to them when I disagree with you and support the forum and get my post removed. On the inside you are weak.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.[/p][/quote]Haha. You complain about the SWA providing a bent forum but then you complain to them when I disagree with you and support the forum and get my post removed. On the inside you are weak. landyman3030
  • Score: 10

10:08pm Mon 26 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?
It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples:

WOMENS' RIGHTS
They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace
http://www.leftfootf

orward.org/2014/05/1

5-reasons-women-shou

ldnt-vote-for-ukip/

DISABILITY
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol

itics/ukip-chairman-

advocated-terminatio

n-of-downs-syndrome-

foetuses-and-breakin

g-from-the-eu-by-for

ce-claims-tory-mp-91

10147.html

NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor)
http://www.paulnutta

llmep.com/?p=712

RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples)
Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black
http://www.theguardi

an.com/politics/2014

/mar/05/ukip-council

lor-donna-edmunds-wo

men-gay-people
Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country'
http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-politics-27

202753

TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires)
http://www.thecommen

tator.com/article/49

31/ukip_is_not_a_rac

ist_party_but_its_ec

onomic_policy_is_bun

k
So all you have is second hand hearsay:

Women's Rights
A quote from a socialist propaganda site

Disability
An unsubstantiated claim from a Tory MP via the Independent

Health
A misquote from Paul Nuttal.
The policy is private contracting of NHS services whilst retaining the free at point of need provision (GP's, Hospitals etc).

Race Relations
You could count the UKIP candidates who have turned out to have views incompatible with the party (racist views) on one hand. Contrast this with the 7 Labour councillors forced to resign because of racism, the LibDem councillor convicted of Racially Aggravated Assault, and the Tory's who have former BNP activists standing for them.
You still fail to point to a single racist UKIP policy.

Tax
I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it.
It would also pay you to remember that minimum wage earners would be excluded from income tax under this policy.

I suggest that rather than slinging around second hand inaccuracies you do your homework and try debating on the issues, like a grown up. Whether you like it or not UKIP is here to stay and, as we showed Mr Clegg on Europe, we are more than willing and able to debate the issues and win on them.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.[/p][/quote]And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?[/p][/quote]It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples: WOMENS' RIGHTS They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace http://www.leftfootf orward.org/2014/05/1 5-reasons-women-shou ldnt-vote-for-ukip/ DISABILITY http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor) http://www.paulnutta llmep.com/?p=712 RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples) Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /mar/05/ukip-council lor-donna-edmunds-wo men-gay-people Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country' http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 202753 TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires) http://www.thecommen tator.com/article/49 31/ukip_is_not_a_rac ist_party_but_its_ec onomic_policy_is_bun k[/p][/quote]So all you have is second hand hearsay: Women's Rights A quote from a socialist propaganda site Disability An unsubstantiated claim from a Tory MP via the Independent Health A misquote from Paul Nuttal. The policy is private contracting of NHS services whilst retaining the free at point of need provision (GP's, Hospitals etc). Race Relations You could count the UKIP candidates who have turned out to have views incompatible with the party (racist views) on one hand. Contrast this with the 7 Labour councillors forced to resign because of racism, the LibDem councillor convicted of Racially Aggravated Assault, and the Tory's who have former BNP activists standing for them. You still fail to point to a single racist UKIP policy. Tax I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it. It would also pay you to remember that minimum wage earners would be excluded from income tax under this policy. I suggest that rather than slinging around second hand inaccuracies you do your homework and try debating on the issues, like a grown up. Whether you like it or not UKIP is here to stay and, as we showed Mr Clegg on Europe, we are more than willing and able to debate the issues and win on them. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -14

11:31pm Mon 26 May 14

BassalegCountyFan says...

Crossbenchtory wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?
It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples:

WOMENS' RIGHTS
They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace
http://www.leftfootf


orward.org/2014/05/1


5-reasons-women-shou


ldnt-vote-for-ukip/

DISABILITY
http://www.independe


nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol


itics/ukip-chairman-


advocated-terminatio


n-of-downs-syndrome-


foetuses-and-breakin


g-from-the-eu-by-for


ce-claims-tory-mp-91


10147.html

NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor)
http://www.paulnutta


llmep.com/?p=712

RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples)
Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black
http://www.theguardi


an.com/politics/2014


/mar/05/ukip-council


lor-donna-edmunds-wo


men-gay-people
Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country'
http://www.bbc.co.uk


/news/uk-politics-27


202753

TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires)
http://www.thecommen


tator.com/article/49


31/ukip_is_not_a_rac


ist_party_but_its_ec


onomic_policy_is_bun


k
So all you have is second hand hearsay:

Women's Rights
A quote from a socialist propaganda site

Disability
An unsubstantiated claim from a Tory MP via the Independent

Health
A misquote from Paul Nuttal.
The policy is private contracting of NHS services whilst retaining the free at point of need provision (GP's, Hospitals etc).

Race Relations
You could count the UKIP candidates who have turned out to have views incompatible with the party (racist views) on one hand. Contrast this with the 7 Labour councillors forced to resign because of racism, the LibDem councillor convicted of Racially Aggravated Assault, and the Tory's who have former BNP activists standing for them.
You still fail to point to a single racist UKIP policy.

Tax
I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it.
It would also pay you to remember that minimum wage earners would be excluded from income tax under this policy.

I suggest that rather than slinging around second hand inaccuracies you do your homework and try debating on the issues, like a grown up. Whether you like it or not UKIP is here to stay and, as we showed Mr Clegg on Europe, we are more than willing and able to debate the issues and win on them.
Firstly, if Ukip's only claim to fame so far is outdebating Nick Clegg I'd suggest they've still got a long way to go!
I'm happy to have a grown-up debate on the issues, and the links I sent through illustrated some of the dodgy ideologies that seem to have permeated Ukip.

For example
Women's rights - Nigel Farage has repeatedly dodged questions on Ukip policy on maternity pay and discrimination law in the workplace, instead just telling people to wait for the manifesto. Meanwhile the fact that he has stood by the likes of Geoffrey Bloom (him of the '****' fiasco, who also said that no employer 'with a brain' would employ a young single woman) and Patrick O'Flynn (who called pregnant women in the workplace a 'disaster') and publically suggested that women with children are 'worth far less' to City employers seems to imply that Ukip has a gender problem that hasn't gone away. Incidentally, it's not just those on the left like myself that have noticed this - even the Torygraph recently published an article entitled 'Ukip want to turn the clock back on women's rights. Fact." Further to this, one of Ukip's previous female MEP's labelled Farage an 'anti-women Stalinist dictator'. Not great reading for the purples is it?

Race relations - I'd agree with you that there are unscrupulous sorts in all the parties at some level. However, the problem with Ukip seems to be far more widespread, and the party's hierarchy haven't helped. I can't say that Ukip are an entirely racist party and I'm sure they're not. However, they do sit with openly racist far-right parties in the European parliament (including the True Finns, the Danish People's Party and Italy's Lega Nord). Shouldn't they choose different company if they want to stay true to their line of being an 'anti-racist' party, or are they sticking to their line in the last manifesto that 'multiculturalism has split our society.' It's not been made very clear.

NHS - Farage recently backed a report by a Ukip candidate that recommended A and E and GP charges
http://www.public-se
ctor.co.uk/news/arti
cle-426
[quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.[/p][/quote]And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?[/p][/quote]It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples: WOMENS' RIGHTS They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace http://www.leftfootf orward.org/2014/05/1 5-reasons-women-shou ldnt-vote-for-ukip/ DISABILITY http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor) http://www.paulnutta llmep.com/?p=712 RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples) Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /mar/05/ukip-council lor-donna-edmunds-wo men-gay-people Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country' http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 202753 TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires) http://www.thecommen tator.com/article/49 31/ukip_is_not_a_rac ist_party_but_its_ec onomic_policy_is_bun k[/p][/quote]So all you have is second hand hearsay: Women's Rights A quote from a socialist propaganda site Disability An unsubstantiated claim from a Tory MP via the Independent Health A misquote from Paul Nuttal. The policy is private contracting of NHS services whilst retaining the free at point of need provision (GP's, Hospitals etc). Race Relations You could count the UKIP candidates who have turned out to have views incompatible with the party (racist views) on one hand. Contrast this with the 7 Labour councillors forced to resign because of racism, the LibDem councillor convicted of Racially Aggravated Assault, and the Tory's who have former BNP activists standing for them. You still fail to point to a single racist UKIP policy. Tax I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it. It would also pay you to remember that minimum wage earners would be excluded from income tax under this policy. I suggest that rather than slinging around second hand inaccuracies you do your homework and try debating on the issues, like a grown up. Whether you like it or not UKIP is here to stay and, as we showed Mr Clegg on Europe, we are more than willing and able to debate the issues and win on them.[/p][/quote]Firstly, if Ukip's only claim to fame so far is outdebating Nick Clegg I'd suggest they've still got a long way to go! I'm happy to have a grown-up debate on the issues, and the links I sent through illustrated some of the dodgy ideologies that seem to have permeated Ukip. For example Women's rights - Nigel Farage has repeatedly dodged questions on Ukip policy on maternity pay and discrimination law in the workplace, instead just telling people to wait for the manifesto. Meanwhile the fact that he has stood by the likes of Geoffrey Bloom (him of the '****' fiasco, who also said that no employer 'with a brain' would employ a young single woman) and Patrick O'Flynn (who called pregnant women in the workplace a 'disaster') and publically suggested that women with children are 'worth far less' to City employers seems to imply that Ukip has a gender problem that hasn't gone away. Incidentally, it's not just those on the left like myself that have noticed this - even the Torygraph recently published an article entitled 'Ukip want to turn the clock back on women's rights. Fact." Further to this, one of Ukip's previous female MEP's labelled Farage an 'anti-women Stalinist dictator'. Not great reading for the purples is it? Race relations - I'd agree with you that there are unscrupulous sorts in all the parties at some level. However, the problem with Ukip seems to be far more widespread, and the party's hierarchy haven't helped. I can't say that Ukip are an entirely racist party and I'm sure they're not. However, they do sit with openly racist far-right parties in the European parliament (including the True Finns, the Danish People's Party and Italy's Lega Nord). Shouldn't they choose different company if they want to stay true to their line of being an 'anti-racist' party, or are they sticking to their line in the last manifesto that 'multiculturalism has split our society.' It's not been made very clear. NHS - Farage recently backed a report by a Ukip candidate that recommended A and E and GP charges http://www.public-se ctor.co.uk/news/arti cle-426 BassalegCountyFan
  • Score: 12

11:32pm Mon 26 May 14

KarloMarko says...

"Debate like grown ups"....or a box of frogs?

‘Andrew Neil: Is Ukip now
against replacing Trident?

Nigel Farage: Yes. That’s a
debate we’ve been kicking
around for sometime in Ukip

Neil : So you’re now for a
non-nuclear defence strategy
for Britain?

Farage: No, I don’t know
where you got that from.

Neil : From YOUR website, the
Ukip defence website

I'd say the box of frogs has it. Not that there was any doubt. UKIP is also the party that proposes "buying in some policies" off the shelf because it doesnt have any. Well Tescos are open late.

UKIP, the "serious" party. At the end of a pier near you.
"Debate like grown ups"....or a box of frogs? ‘Andrew Neil: Is Ukip now against replacing Trident? Nigel Farage: Yes. That’s a debate we’ve been kicking around for sometime in Ukip Neil : So you’re now for a non-nuclear defence strategy for Britain? Farage: No, I don’t know where you got that from. Neil : From YOUR website, the Ukip defence website I'd say the box of frogs has it. Not that there was any doubt. UKIP is also the party that proposes "buying in some policies" off the shelf because it doesnt have any. Well Tescos are open late. UKIP, the "serious" party. At the end of a pier near you. KarloMarko
  • Score: 8

8:45am Tue 27 May 14

displayed says...

"I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people."

Hear, hear.............

Dont underestimate UKIP, it could cost u ur position in politics............
.
"I've been researching Ukip's attitude towards LGBTQ people and gender equality and they have made it crystal clear that under a Ukip goverment LGBTQ people will not have equal rights with straight and cisgender people." Hear, hear............. Dont underestimate UKIP, it could cost u ur position in politics............ . displayed
  • Score: -1

8:54am Tue 27 May 14

Dai Rear says...

All this analysis may very well be true but isn't it a lot of typing to influence , well, whom? No one cares about what UKIP thinks about "wimmins' rights" "race relations" etc. The point is-most of us want out of the EU. Cameron Clegg and Miliband put their fingers in their ears and went "la la". Although the election of "MEP's" can make no difference, because the EU is an autocracy not a democracy, it MIGHT JUST make them take the fingers out. Yes I know it scuppered us at the 1997 election but that was then, this is now, and most critically the organism has ingested Eastern Europe since then, failed to ingest Ukraine and is smacking its lips over Turkey . So , things are a weentsy bit urgent, aren't they?
All this analysis may very well be true but isn't it a lot of typing to influence , well, whom? No one cares about what UKIP thinks about "wimmins' rights" "race relations" etc. The point is-most of us want out of the EU. Cameron Clegg and Miliband put their fingers in their ears and went "la la". Although the election of "MEP's" can make no difference, because the EU is an autocracy not a democracy, it MIGHT JUST make them take the fingers out. Yes I know it scuppered us at the 1997 election but that was then, this is now, and most critically the organism has ingested Eastern Europe since then, failed to ingest Ukraine and is smacking its lips over Turkey . So , things are a weentsy bit urgent, aren't they? Dai Rear
  • Score: -19

9:14am Tue 27 May 14

KarloMarko says...

"MOST"...?

"The public are split down the
middle on whether Britain should
leave the EU, a poll commissioned
by the BBC suggests.

Some 35% of those surveyed would
vote to remain in the EU if there
were a referendum today, according
to a Populus poll for the Daily
Politics. And 32% would vote to leave, with
27% saying they are undecided and
6% saying they would not vote.

The poll was taken on 2 and 3 April,
partly in the aftermath of the Nick
Clegg and Nigel Farage TV debate.
The online poll of 2,067 people uses
a model developed by Populus, that
divides respondents into six types,
based on attitude and world view.

The people most positive about UK
membership of the EU fell into the
Optimistic Contentment and
Cosmopolitan Critic categories.
Those groups most likely to vote to
leave the EU were in the
Comfortable Nostalgia, Hard-pressed
Anxiety and Long-term Despair
categories."

Lot of the "Nostalgia/Long Term Despairing" on this site!

Terminal in fact.
"MOST"...? "The public are split down the middle on whether Britain should leave the EU, a poll commissioned by the BBC suggests. Some 35% of those surveyed would vote to remain in the EU if there were a referendum today, according to a Populus poll for the Daily Politics. And 32% would vote to leave, with 27% saying they are undecided and 6% saying they would not vote. The poll was taken on 2 and 3 April, partly in the aftermath of the Nick Clegg and Nigel Farage TV debate. The online poll of 2,067 people uses a model developed by Populus, that divides respondents into six types, based on attitude and world view. The people most positive about UK membership of the EU fell into the Optimistic Contentment and Cosmopolitan Critic categories. Those groups most likely to vote to leave the EU were in the Comfortable Nostalgia, Hard-pressed Anxiety and Long-term Despair categories." Lot of the "Nostalgia/Long Term Despairing" on this site! Terminal in fact. KarloMarko
  • Score: 3

10:24am Tue 27 May 14

Good Job No Kids says...

On the inside wrote:
As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.
After reading the board top to bottom I fail to see any comments that would apply to your post?
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: As usual the Argus is more than happy to provide a platform for right wing racist anti-welsh women hating nutters.[/p][/quote]After reading the board top to bottom I fail to see any comments that would apply to your post? Good Job No Kids
  • Score: 5

10:49am Tue 27 May 14

coalpicker says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Crossbenchtory wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?
It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples:

WOMENS' RIGHTS
They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace
http://www.leftfootf

orward.org/2014/05/1

5-reasons-women-shou

ldnt-vote-for-ukip/

DISABILITY
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol

itics/ukip-chairman-

advocated-terminatio

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NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor)
http://www.paulnutta

llmep.com/?p=712

RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples)
Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black
http://www.theguardi

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Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country'
http://www.bbc.co.uk

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London has over 52% immigrant population ,80% percent of crime in the area is committed by immigrants that is a fact, not racist. Over 100 languages are now spoken in the UK, fact not racist, as a result the impact on our education system is disastrous .Pressure on housing the NHS indeed all our infrastructure is appalling , that is fact not racist. Diseases we had eradicated are being reintroduced by immigrants ,fact not racist . Free speech in our country is being drastically curtailed just in case we offend ,A person quoting Winston Churchill was arrested because it was offending a Muslim in the audience, I have the temerity to
suggest that that indeed was racism against the British people. Burning the union flag and poppies shouting abuse at our troops ,killing them on
our streets I call racism,the list is endless the word slope is now in danger of being removed from our vocabulary ,I call that racist. The indiscriminate proliferation of British passport issue with holders murdering people abroad I call that terrorism and a racist slur on the British people.The support of of polygamy in our country by our government is not in the interests of our society that is racism . The sooner we give UKIP and like minded people a voice in parliament the
sooner our nation will return to sanity .
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossbenchtory[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.[/p][/quote]And just what are UKIP's views on disability, the NHS, women's rights, race relations and tax?[/p][/quote]It's not a pretty picture. Here are a few examples: WOMENS' RIGHTS They want to scrap maternity pay, legalise rape within marriage and get rid of laws prohibiting gender discrimination in the workplace http://www.leftfootf orward.org/2014/05/1 5-reasons-women-shou ldnt-vote-for-ukip/ DISABILITY http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/uk/pol itics/ukip-chairman- advocated-terminatio n-of-downs-syndrome- foetuses-and-breakin g-from-the-eu-by-for ce-claims-tory-mp-91 10147.html NHS (they want to privatize it, and make you pay to see a doctor) http://www.paulnutta llmep.com/?p=712 RACE RELATIONS (Literally hundreds of examples of racist UKIP candidates, but here are a few recent unsavoury examples) Ukip MEP candidate claimed that employers should be able to 'turn people away' if they're black http://www.theguardi an.com/politics/2014 /mar/05/ukip-council lor-donna-edmunds-wo men-gay-people Ukip candidate claims Lenny Henry should go back to a 'black country' http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-politics-27 202753 TAX (Want a flat rate of income tax at 31%, meaning huge hike for low paid workers and a tax cut for multi-millionaires) http://www.thecommen tator.com/article/49 31/ukip_is_not_a_rac ist_party_but_its_ec onomic_policy_is_bun k[/p][/quote]London has over 52% immigrant population ,80% percent of crime in the area is committed by immigrants that is a fact, not racist. Over 100 languages are now spoken in the UK, fact not racist, as a result the impact on our education system is disastrous .Pressure on housing the NHS indeed all our infrastructure is appalling , that is fact not racist. Diseases we had eradicated are being reintroduced by immigrants ,fact not racist . Free speech in our country is being drastically curtailed just in case we offend ,A person quoting Winston Churchill was arrested because it was offending a Muslim in the audience, I have the temerity to suggest that that indeed was racism against the British people. Burning the union flag and poppies shouting abuse at our troops ,killing them on our streets I call racism,the list is endless the word slope is now in danger of being removed from our vocabulary ,I call that racist. The indiscriminate proliferation of British passport issue with holders murdering people abroad I call that terrorism and a racist slur on the British people.The support of of polygamy in our country by our government is not in the interests of our society that is racism . The sooner we give UKIP and like minded people a voice in parliament the sooner our nation will return to sanity . coalpicker
  • Score: 1

11:48am Tue 27 May 14

Jonnytrouble says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP.
In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest.
I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her.

I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.
How many East Europeans do you have living over in Newport West compared to Newport East ?????
I think it would have been a different story of voting over YOUR side too !
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: Really disappointed that Jayne didn't get the second seat, she would have been an excellent MEP. In fact, Jayne was the only candidate I saw during the entire campaign period, which speaks volumes. Not a squeak from the rest. I'm sure she'll bounce back in another election and this won't be the last we see of her. I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, whose views on disability, the NHS, women's' rights, race relations and tax leave a lot to be desired. The supposed 'anti-establishment' UKIP are really just tories in purple, and as more and more people see this their vote will sink faster than one of farage's shandies.[/p][/quote]How many East Europeans do you have living over in Newport West compared to Newport East ????? I think it would have been a different story of voting over YOUR side too ! Jonnytrouble
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Tue 27 May 14

welshmen says...

The problem with a lot of people on here is they will defend immigrants to the last lung full of air to have them keep coming to our Country and turning into a Multicultural shithole, no matter what facts anti's come up with they will still support the decline of OUR culture and our people in favour of Foreigners, who incidentally come here because they can have a lot of free benefits, the benefits are many fold, they get paid more money than in their own Country, because the British people have worked hard to make our Country one of the richest on the planet, they reap their efforts, in actual fact because of them our work rates have gone back wards in our Country, our people have died in their millions for our future, but they will tell you the Liberal elite story we couldn't have done anything with out immigrants BS story, when we say we have to many here or anything bad about the en-richer's we are called racist by the very people who ARE racist, racist against the British Natives.

My vote for UKIP was not a protest vote, I despise LIB/LAB/CON for continually supporting immigration to to kill this Countries future, they also bend over backwards to encourage homosexuals to get married in Church, Church is a place for Heterosexual's to get married as our history and heritage depicts, yet the homosexuals keep on bleating that they wont to get married in Church, for gods sake get your own Church, you can do what you like with no one giving a sh-t.

BassalegCountyFan

wrote:I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch,

I say:
what a load of LABOUR clap trap, your party are the evil Party, responsible for wars that don't concern this Country and the hoard's of immigrants your Party scowered the world to come here on mass,included in that mix are Islamic Immigrants, the don't do democracy they don't treat women as equals, they don't do race relations either, or Homosexuals they are the racist Religion in this Country along with the Jews, the pair of these imported religions don't marry into our culture UNLESS the partner converts to their Religion, yes good old Labour most of your last lot of MP's should be tried for war crimes and treason against the British people. UKIP, I and millions of other British voters hope UKIP can put this Country right, they can't do any worse than the gravy train lovers of your's and the LIB/CON parties....

You as Labour Voters are the British problem, nearly bankrupted us the last time in power, and your Labour lot down at the WAG we have to thank them for making this Country of Wales a third world Country, and the sad thing is you think the Labour party are popular, in London they have a record number of Muslim Councillors from last weeks elections, they told to vote Labour by their Leaders, like they were told to vote for George Traitor Galloway a few years back, shame on you and all your Labour voters....
The problem with a lot of people on here is they will defend immigrants to the last lung full of air to have them keep coming to our Country and turning into a Multicultural shithole, no matter what facts anti's come up with they will still support the decline of OUR culture and our people in favour of Foreigners, who incidentally come here because they can have a lot of free benefits, the benefits are many fold, they get paid more money than in their own Country, because the British people have worked hard to make our Country one of the richest on the planet, they reap their efforts, in actual fact because of them our work rates have gone back wards in our Country, our people have died in their millions for our future, but they will tell you the Liberal elite story we couldn't have done anything with out immigrants BS story, when we say we have to many here or anything bad about the en-richer's we are called racist by the very people who ARE racist, racist against the British Natives. My vote for UKIP was not a protest vote, I despise LIB/LAB/CON for continually supporting immigration to to kill this Countries future, they also bend over backwards to encourage homosexuals to get married in Church, Church is a place for Heterosexual's to get married as our history and heritage depicts, yet the homosexuals keep on bleating that they wont to get married in Church, for gods sake get your own Church, you can do what you like with no one giving a sh-t. BassalegCountyFan wrote:I understand that some people wanted to use their European vote as a protest against the mainstream political parties, that's their call (interestingly most of the people I've heard saying they voted UKIP this time admitted they'd never do so in an assembly, council or Westminster election) but as time passes more and more will realise that UKIP are a genuinely nasty bunch, I say: what a load of LABOUR clap trap, your party are the evil Party, responsible for wars that don't concern this Country and the hoard's of immigrants your Party scowered the world to come here on mass,included in that mix are Islamic Immigrants, the don't do democracy they don't treat women as equals, they don't do race relations either, or Homosexuals they are the racist Religion in this Country along with the Jews, the pair of these imported religions don't marry into our culture UNLESS the partner converts to their Religion, yes good old Labour most of your last lot of MP's should be tried for war crimes and treason against the British people. UKIP, I and millions of other British voters hope UKIP can put this Country right, they can't do any worse than the gravy train lovers of your's and the LIB/CON parties.... You as Labour Voters are the British problem, nearly bankrupted us the last time in power, and your Labour lot down at the WAG we have to thank them for making this Country of Wales a third world Country, and the sad thing is you think the Labour party are popular, in London they have a record number of Muslim Councillors from last weeks elections, they told to vote Labour by their Leaders, like they were told to vote for George Traitor Galloway a few years back, shame on you and all your Labour voters.... welshmen
  • Score: -16

3:00pm Tue 27 May 14

KarloMarko says...

"Jews, gays, foreigners, national betrayal..."

"Mein Kampf" your bedside reading? One finger along the lines....
"Jews, gays, foreigners, national betrayal..." "Mein Kampf" your bedside reading? One finger along the lines.... KarloMarko
  • Score: 3

5:14pm Tue 27 May 14

Spinflight says...

"I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it."

Whilst I stress that our policies will be presented in a fully costed manifesto this September I don't see any harm in discussing older policies which may or may not re-appear.

The 2010 flat tax proposal is in fact a tax cut of a similar magnitude to that which you mentioned. This is because it encompasses NI in the 31% ( compared to 20% income tax and 12% NI at present = 32%). Also it has to be seen in light of the proposal to take all minimum wage earners out of tax altogether. Hence you would start paying tax at £12500 rather than the £8500 or so it was in 2010 ( £10000 now).

The rationale behind a simplified tax system was primarily to catch the high earners who currently pay little or no tax because they can afford to hire financial advisors to pick holes in the hideously complicated system.

With a flat tax there is no way around it hence everyone pays their share, other than minimum wage earners who frankly contribute enough through their labour in my opinion. Hence it rewarded vital workers who aren't on high salaries and prevented abuse from above. It certainly works in other countries...

It shows that people don't understand how much tax they pay, and shows up the labour politicians who claim it is a tax cut for the rich and a tax increase for the poor as liars and scoundrels, but we knew that already...

Whilst indications are that this will not be part of our next manifesto I think it is a shame, it was a simple and transparent policy which would have benefited the country as a whole.
"I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it." Whilst I stress that our policies will be presented in a fully costed manifesto this September I don't see any harm in discussing older policies which may or may not re-appear. The 2010 flat tax proposal is in fact a tax cut of a similar magnitude to that which you mentioned. This is because it encompasses NI in the 31% ( compared to 20% income tax and 12% NI at present = 32%). Also it has to be seen in light of the proposal to take all minimum wage earners out of tax altogether. Hence you would start paying tax at £12500 rather than the £8500 or so it was in 2010 ( £10000 now). The rationale behind a simplified tax system was primarily to catch the high earners who currently pay little or no tax because they can afford to hire financial advisors to pick holes in the hideously complicated system. With a flat tax there is no way around it hence everyone pays their share, other than minimum wage earners who frankly contribute enough through their labour in my opinion. Hence it rewarded vital workers who aren't on high salaries and prevented abuse from above. It certainly works in other countries... It shows that people don't understand how much tax they pay, and shows up the labour politicians who claim it is a tax cut for the rich and a tax increase for the poor as liars and scoundrels, but we knew that already... Whilst indications are that this will not be part of our next manifesto I think it is a shame, it was a simple and transparent policy which would have benefited the country as a whole. Spinflight
  • Score: -19

5:54pm Tue 27 May 14

Crossbenchtory says...

Spinflight wrote:
"I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it."

Whilst I stress that our policies will be presented in a fully costed manifesto this September I don't see any harm in discussing older policies which may or may not re-appear.

The 2010 flat tax proposal is in fact a tax cut of a similar magnitude to that which you mentioned. This is because it encompasses NI in the 31% ( compared to 20% income tax and 12% NI at present = 32%). Also it has to be seen in light of the proposal to take all minimum wage earners out of tax altogether. Hence you would start paying tax at £12500 rather than the £8500 or so it was in 2010 ( £10000 now).

The rationale behind a simplified tax system was primarily to catch the high earners who currently pay little or no tax because they can afford to hire financial advisors to pick holes in the hideously complicated system.

With a flat tax there is no way around it hence everyone pays their share, other than minimum wage earners who frankly contribute enough through their labour in my opinion. Hence it rewarded vital workers who aren't on high salaries and prevented abuse from above. It certainly works in other countries...

It shows that people don't understand how much tax they pay, and shows up the labour politicians who claim it is a tax cut for the rich and a tax increase for the poor as liars and scoundrels, but we knew that already...

Whilst indications are that this will not be part of our next manifesto I think it is a shame, it was a simple and transparent policy which would have benefited the country as a whole.
Well as I am now a member of UKIP, having parted company from the Tory party due to it having been captured by the left wing of the party under the leadership of Cameron, I will be arguing hard for this policy to form the core of our approach to taxation.

As you say, it would be a shame to see it fall by the way side.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: "I think the flat tax rate should be set between 15% and 20% myself. Why should someone be punished for earning more money by having to pay a higher percentage of it in income tax, not exactly fair and equitable is it." Whilst I stress that our policies will be presented in a fully costed manifesto this September I don't see any harm in discussing older policies which may or may not re-appear. The 2010 flat tax proposal is in fact a tax cut of a similar magnitude to that which you mentioned. This is because it encompasses NI in the 31% ( compared to 20% income tax and 12% NI at present = 32%). Also it has to be seen in light of the proposal to take all minimum wage earners out of tax altogether. Hence you would start paying tax at £12500 rather than the £8500 or so it was in 2010 ( £10000 now). The rationale behind a simplified tax system was primarily to catch the high earners who currently pay little or no tax because they can afford to hire financial advisors to pick holes in the hideously complicated system. With a flat tax there is no way around it hence everyone pays their share, other than minimum wage earners who frankly contribute enough through their labour in my opinion. Hence it rewarded vital workers who aren't on high salaries and prevented abuse from above. It certainly works in other countries... It shows that people don't understand how much tax they pay, and shows up the labour politicians who claim it is a tax cut for the rich and a tax increase for the poor as liars and scoundrels, but we knew that already... Whilst indications are that this will not be part of our next manifesto I think it is a shame, it was a simple and transparent policy which would have benefited the country as a whole.[/p][/quote]Well as I am now a member of UKIP, having parted company from the Tory party due to it having been captured by the left wing of the party under the leadership of Cameron, I will be arguing hard for this policy to form the core of our approach to taxation. As you say, it would be a shame to see it fall by the way side. Crossbenchtory
  • Score: -20

7:06pm Tue 27 May 14

thomas35 says...

Interesting to see a great number of folks( ukip voters???) getting their cars cleaned in sainsbury car park amongst other sites by folks from eastern europe..thus giving them employment and securing a National insurance number thereby allowing them access to benefits!!..
Interesting to see a great number of folks( ukip voters???) getting their cars cleaned in sainsbury car park amongst other sites by folks from eastern europe..thus giving them employment and securing a National insurance number thereby allowing them access to benefits!!.. thomas35
  • Score: 4

10:29pm Tue 27 May 14

Bobevans says...

thomas35 wrote:
Interesting to see a great number of folks( ukip voters???) getting their cars cleaned in sainsbury car park amongst other sites by folks from eastern europe..thus giving them employment and securing a National insurance number thereby allowing them access to benefits!!..
As they are now fully within the EU they can get an NI number anyway
[quote][p][bold]thomas35[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see a great number of folks( ukip voters???) getting their cars cleaned in sainsbury car park amongst other sites by folks from eastern europe..thus giving them employment and securing a National insurance number thereby allowing them access to benefits!!..[/p][/quote]As they are now fully within the EU they can get an NI number anyway Bobevans
  • Score: -16

8:37am Wed 28 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Bobevans wrote:
thomas35 wrote:
Interesting to see a great number of folks( ukip voters???) getting their cars cleaned in sainsbury car park amongst other sites by folks from eastern europe..thus giving them employment and securing a National insurance number thereby allowing them access to benefits!!..
As they are now fully within the EU they can get an NI number anyway
By being self-employed Roumanians, if that's what they were, could have entered to do this from the day of accession. Yes, education was badly damaged from 1997 along with initiative (as a college kid myself and a friend did car cleaning in the 60's) but is the solution to import aliens or take education out of the hands of the Blob (NUT and fellow travellers who worship failure)? Rhetorical question, but brave of Miliband to deny us a choice , and where's the Wedgewood Benn Heritage in his party, roaring for OUT?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas35[/bold] wrote: Interesting to see a great number of folks( ukip voters???) getting their cars cleaned in sainsbury car park amongst other sites by folks from eastern europe..thus giving them employment and securing a National insurance number thereby allowing them access to benefits!!..[/p][/quote]As they are now fully within the EU they can get an NI number anyway[/p][/quote]By being self-employed Roumanians, if that's what they were, could have entered to do this from the day of accession. Yes, education was badly damaged from 1997 along with initiative (as a college kid myself and a friend did car cleaning in the 60's) but is the solution to import aliens or take education out of the hands of the Blob (NUT and fellow travellers who worship failure)? Rhetorical question, but brave of Miliband to deny us a choice , and where's the Wedgewood Benn Heritage in his party, roaring for OUT? Dai Rear
  • Score: -21

10:25am Wed 28 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Bobevans wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me.
350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.
How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage
I don't think we have a housing shortage, what we have is an un-affordable housing/rent system ! If they stop using the London experience as an national average it might help. One house could but a whole street here. Who the hell in Wales could afford £3-600 per week rent ? Last time we looked there were a LOT of empty premises in Newport above shops, and a lot of housing lying empty too. They are that way because no-one can afford to live in them.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me. 350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.[/p][/quote]How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage[/p][/quote]I don't think we have a housing shortage, what we have is an un-affordable housing/rent system ! If they stop using the London experience as an national average it might help. One house could but a whole street here. Who the hell in Wales could afford £3-600 per week rent ? Last time we looked there were a LOT of empty premises in Newport above shops, and a lot of housing lying empty too. They are that way because no-one can afford to live in them. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

12:43pm Wed 28 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me.
350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.
How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage
I don't think we have a housing shortage, what we have is an un-affordable housing/rent system ! If they stop using the London experience as an national average it might help. One house could but a whole street here. Who the hell in Wales could afford £3-600 per week rent ? Last time we looked there were a LOT of empty premises in Newport above shops, and a lot of housing lying empty too. They are that way because no-one can afford to live in them.
So right Merv. As a landlord I always make sure I pitch my rent very high so I don't get any tenants or receive any rent. D'oh.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me. 350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.[/p][/quote]How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage[/p][/quote]I don't think we have a housing shortage, what we have is an un-affordable housing/rent system ! If they stop using the London experience as an national average it might help. One house could but a whole street here. Who the hell in Wales could afford £3-600 per week rent ? Last time we looked there were a LOT of empty premises in Newport above shops, and a lot of housing lying empty too. They are that way because no-one can afford to live in them.[/p][/quote]So right Merv. As a landlord I always make sure I pitch my rent very high so I don't get any tenants or receive any rent. D'oh. Dai Rear
  • Score: -15

6:38am Thu 29 May 14

Charlie1501 says...

Does'nt matter what these polls and elections say or suggest, until people get off their lazy backsides and actually vote then you will get the politicians/parties you deserve. You can't affect change by doing nothing. Maybe if nothing else the UKIP party will force people out of their hovels to put their cross on the ballot paper of the general election in fear of what could be. Time will tell.
Does'nt matter what these polls and elections say or suggest, until people get off their lazy backsides and actually vote then you will get the politicians/parties you deserve. You can't affect change by doing nothing. Maybe if nothing else the UKIP party will force people out of their hovels to put their cross on the ballot paper of the general election in fear of what could be. Time will tell. Charlie1501
  • Score: 2

9:46am Thu 29 May 14

Mervyn James says...

AS it stands the UKIP will be part of the next coalition, I cannot see lib-dems having a hope in hell frankly. The only reason clegg is staying now is because if he resigns and they call off the agreement with that other party (!) then a snap election will decimate both major parties. Such is Clegg's delusion he believes if he can hang on till 2015 then he will be with a coalition again. Isn't there a law against people standing for election but lack the mental capability ?
AS it stands the UKIP will be part of the next coalition, I cannot see lib-dems having a hope in hell frankly. The only reason clegg is staying now is because if he resigns and they call off the agreement with that other party (!) then a snap election will decimate both major parties. Such is Clegg's delusion he believes if he can hang on till 2015 then he will be with a coalition again. Isn't there a law against people standing for election but lack the mental capability ? Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

12:15pm Thu 29 May 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
landyman3030 wrote:
David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me.
350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.
How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage
I don't think we have a housing shortage, what we have is an un-affordable housing/rent system ! If they stop using the London experience as an national average it might help. One house could but a whole street here. Who the hell in Wales could afford £3-600 per week rent ? Last time we looked there were a LOT of empty premises in Newport above shops, and a lot of housing lying empty too. They are that way because no-one can afford to live in them.
So right Merv. As a landlord I always make sure I pitch my rent very high so I don't get any tenants or receive any rent. D'oh.
Absolutely.
The market determines what rents you get not landlords.
Rents are a pittance in Newport compared with the rest of the Country.
If you don't pitch your rent at the rate similar properties are going for you won't rent it out, simples.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: David Cameron still says he has the plan to renegotiate for a better deal in Europe and if we give him the chance he says that he will aim for a referendum for 2017. Labour say that if all the immigrants went home tomorrow, we would not be able to fill all the jobs and would be business suicide. How on earth did we manage before the EU membership and the free movement of immigrants. Nick Clegg said...well nothing as yet. He's under a bridge somewhere with a bottle of white lightening singing Nobody Loves Me. 350 days to the General Election. Wonder if we'll see any change from the big 2. Watch out David, Ed and Carwyn. The purple terrier is yapping at your heels.[/p][/quote]How come we have such high unemployment if we have a shortage of labour.? Sure we have some skills mismatch but over all we do not need mass migration. It is damaging the UK economy and helping to cause high unemployment and low pay as well as agrevating the housing shortage[/p][/quote]I don't think we have a housing shortage, what we have is an un-affordable housing/rent system ! If they stop using the London experience as an national average it might help. One house could but a whole street here. Who the hell in Wales could afford £3-600 per week rent ? Last time we looked there were a LOT of empty premises in Newport above shops, and a lot of housing lying empty too. They are that way because no-one can afford to live in them.[/p][/quote]So right Merv. As a landlord I always make sure I pitch my rent very high so I don't get any tenants or receive any rent. D'oh.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. The market determines what rents you get not landlords. Rents are a pittance in Newport compared with the rest of the Country. If you don't pitch your rent at the rate similar properties are going for you won't rent it out, simples. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -11

7:32pm Thu 29 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Let's see WHO Pays those rents,could it be.... the DWP ?
Let's see WHO Pays those rents,could it be.... the DWP ? Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

7:40am Fri 30 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Let's see WHO Pays those rents,could it be.... the DWP ?
Well you think we pay those rents because you think that aggressive welfarism is distorting them upwards. You may well be right. When the State interferes it makes a mess. e.g. it wouldn't allow a market in the newly expropriated coal industry in the Winter of '47 and thousands died of hypothermia. My rents are high enough to surprise me. I'd take less. I fear the influence of vile State welfarism.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Let's see WHO Pays those rents,could it be.... the DWP ?[/p][/quote]Well you think we pay those rents because you think that aggressive welfarism is distorting them upwards. You may well be right. When the State interferes it makes a mess. e.g. it wouldn't allow a market in the newly expropriated coal industry in the Winter of '47 and thousands died of hypothermia. My rents are high enough to surprise me. I'd take less. I fear the influence of vile State welfarism. Dai Rear
  • Score: -18

7:11pm Fri 30 May 14

Mervyn James says...

Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.
Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

12:05am Sat 31 May 14

landyman3030 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.
Well it's going to be interesting when the DWP start paying housing benefit, rent and all of those benefits straight into the tenants hands instead of straight to the landlords. This is putting hundreds of pounds into the hands of people who are at the bottom of the financial rung, who are more likely to have a wonga loan or worse and are not used to having to budget for a month. Which gets paid first? The catalogue bill or the rent? Thousands of properties across the country are turning back to NO DSS as the landlords know only to well how difficult it is to get a non paying tenant out of a property. Private landlords are in it to make money as a business. They are not a charity. They have just filled a gap supplying social housing that Maggie created when she allowed tenants to buy the councils housing stock at rock bottom prices without ensuring that the councils reinvested in more stock. How ironic is it that it is the Condemn Party ( can I use this Merv, I think it's a great name ) who are forcing the private landlords to evict the DSS tenants. Stand in a job centre tomorrow and you will hear a few complain because they have no money left until giro day. A friend works in a local job centre and says when the DSS tenants are given the keys to the money box they are going to need riot police in the job centre to sort out those who can't handle budgets. Wait for the date and see.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.[/p][/quote]Well it's going to be interesting when the DWP start paying housing benefit, rent and all of those benefits straight into the tenants hands instead of straight to the landlords. This is putting hundreds of pounds into the hands of people who are at the bottom of the financial rung, who are more likely to have a wonga loan or worse and are not used to having to budget for a month. Which gets paid first? The catalogue bill or the rent? Thousands of properties across the country are turning back to NO DSS as the landlords know only to well how difficult it is to get a non paying tenant out of a property. Private landlords are in it to make money as a business. They are not a charity. They have just filled a gap supplying social housing that Maggie created when she allowed tenants to buy the councils housing stock at rock bottom prices without ensuring that the councils reinvested in more stock. How ironic is it that it is the Condemn Party ( can I use this Merv, I think it's a great name ) who are forcing the private landlords to evict the DSS tenants. Stand in a job centre tomorrow and you will hear a few complain because they have no money left until giro day. A friend works in a local job centre and says when the DSS tenants are given the keys to the money box they are going to need riot police in the job centre to sort out those who can't handle budgets. Wait for the date and see. landyman3030
  • Score: 1

8:02am Sat 31 May 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.
Well , yes, any of us baby boomers who's bought to let because our cash is dead in the bank could take less. If that stopped a looney merry go round where the shed loads of cash we're crucified for in tax is then recycled by a useless State through indigents back to us then all to the good because some of the errant cash inevitably goes to waste,building more useless bureaucratic empires.. As to rising interest rates, Merv, if it leads to repos and lower prices the properties will be taken up again, don't you fear. The only time you get vacant properties is when you have de-population which is hardly likely given the open door immigration policy from 1997-2010 which no doubt Miliband will restore when the turkeys put him in next year.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.[/p][/quote]Well , yes, any of us baby boomers who's bought to let because our cash is dead in the bank could take less. If that stopped a looney merry go round where the shed loads of cash we're crucified for in tax is then recycled by a useless State through indigents back to us then all to the good because some of the errant cash inevitably goes to waste,building more useless bureaucratic empires.. As to rising interest rates, Merv, if it leads to repos and lower prices the properties will be taken up again, don't you fear. The only time you get vacant properties is when you have de-population which is hardly likely given the open door immigration policy from 1997-2010 which no doubt Miliband will restore when the turkeys put him in next year. Dai Rear
  • Score: -18

8:06am Sat 31 May 14

Dai Rear says...

landyman3030 wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.
Well it's going to be interesting when the DWP start paying housing benefit, rent and all of those benefits straight into the tenants hands instead of straight to the landlords. This is putting hundreds of pounds into the hands of people who are at the bottom of the financial rung, who are more likely to have a wonga loan or worse and are not used to having to budget for a month. Which gets paid first? The catalogue bill or the rent? Thousands of properties across the country are turning back to NO DSS as the landlords know only to well how difficult it is to get a non paying tenant out of a property. Private landlords are in it to make money as a business. They are not a charity. They have just filled a gap supplying social housing that Maggie created when she allowed tenants to buy the councils housing stock at rock bottom prices without ensuring that the councils reinvested in more stock. How ironic is it that it is the Condemn Party ( can I use this Merv, I think it's a great name ) who are forcing the private landlords to evict the DSS tenants. Stand in a job centre tomorrow and you will hear a few complain because they have no money left until giro day. A friend works in a local job centre and says when the DSS tenants are given the keys to the money box they are going to need riot police in the job centre to sort out those who can't handle budgets. Wait for the date and see.
Actually this will create another form of displacement pseudo-work; advising tenants whose landlords have arranged for them to have a little smacking for not paying the rent. What fun!
Can't happen? You're probably right so far as Wales is concerned, but London, Midlands, North West? The landlords there are of a culture which doesn't take "no dosh" for an answer.
[quote][p][bold]landyman3030[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Without the DWP footing the council taxes and rents landlords would be left with empty housing let's face it, and mostly because the rents are unmanageable on the little or no wages people are paid. Without the state picking up the tab would you be able to charge anything like what you do ? Even the help to buy issue is the only way many first time buyers can get near a house, and they stand to get in real trouble when that ends and, interest rates return again. 'DSS welcome' signs used to be as rare as hen's teeth, now, many see it is the only way to get rents and mortgages covered.[/p][/quote]Well it's going to be interesting when the DWP start paying housing benefit, rent and all of those benefits straight into the tenants hands instead of straight to the landlords. This is putting hundreds of pounds into the hands of people who are at the bottom of the financial rung, who are more likely to have a wonga loan or worse and are not used to having to budget for a month. Which gets paid first? The catalogue bill or the rent? Thousands of properties across the country are turning back to NO DSS as the landlords know only to well how difficult it is to get a non paying tenant out of a property. Private landlords are in it to make money as a business. They are not a charity. They have just filled a gap supplying social housing that Maggie created when she allowed tenants to buy the councils housing stock at rock bottom prices without ensuring that the councils reinvested in more stock. How ironic is it that it is the Condemn Party ( can I use this Merv, I think it's a great name ) who are forcing the private landlords to evict the DSS tenants. Stand in a job centre tomorrow and you will hear a few complain because they have no money left until giro day. A friend works in a local job centre and says when the DSS tenants are given the keys to the money box they are going to need riot police in the job centre to sort out those who can't handle budgets. Wait for the date and see.[/p][/quote]Actually this will create another form of displacement pseudo-work; advising tenants whose landlords have arranged for them to have a little smacking for not paying the rent. What fun! Can't happen? You're probably right so far as Wales is concerned, but London, Midlands, North West? The landlords there are of a culture which doesn't take "no dosh" for an answer. Dai Rear
  • Score: -17

2:15pm Sat 31 May 14

welshmen says...

This is what tenants are allowed per week in Newport Gwent....

Shared accommodation. 52.93.

1 Bedroom. 85.00.

2 Bedrooms. 103.56.

3 Bedrooms. 118.52.

4 Bedrooms. 156.49.

The LHA amount used in the calculation is valid for 12 months from the 1 April 2014 or until the claimant has a change of circumstance that affects the bedroom requirements.

The LHA amount is now reviewed annually on the 1 April each year.

The size criteria

One bedroom is allowed for each of the following:

a couple
someone who is 16 or over
two children of the same sex until they are 16
two children who are younger than 10
any other child (other than a foster child or child whose main home is elsewhere)
a carer (or group of carers) providing overnight care.
Each person is counted once in the first group that they would come into.

Not everyone in the house is counted when working out the number of bedrooms required.

The tenant and their partner are counted as well as any children or young people they are responsible for.

If the tenant has any other adults who are not boarders or lodgers, they are counted. Joint tenants are not counted.

A recent announcement by the Government has introduced two changes across both the private and social rented sectors. These relate to two specific groups and apply from the 1 April 2013:....not all roses for landlords or tenants....
This is what tenants are allowed per week in Newport Gwent.... Shared accommodation. 52.93. 1 Bedroom. 85.00. 2 Bedrooms. 103.56. 3 Bedrooms. 118.52. 4 Bedrooms. 156.49. The LHA amount used in the calculation is valid for 12 months from the 1 April 2014 or until the claimant has a change of circumstance that affects the bedroom requirements. The LHA amount is now reviewed annually on the 1 April each year. The size criteria One bedroom is allowed for each of the following: a couple someone who is 16 or over two children of the same sex until they are 16 two children who are younger than 10 any other child (other than a foster child or child whose main home is elsewhere) a carer (or group of carers) providing overnight care. Each person is counted once in the first group that they would come into. Not everyone in the house is counted when working out the number of bedrooms required. The tenant and their partner are counted as well as any children or young people they are responsible for. If the tenant has any other adults who are not boarders or lodgers, they are counted. Joint tenants are not counted. A recent announcement by the Government has introduced two changes across both the private and social rented sectors. These relate to two specific groups and apply from the 1 April 2013:....not all roses for landlords or tenants.... welshmen
  • Score: -18

9:05pm Sat 31 May 14

welshmen says...

welshmen wrote:
This is what tenants are allowed per week in Newport Gwent....

Shared accommodation. 52.93.

1 Bedroom. 85.00.

2 Bedrooms. 103.56.

3 Bedrooms. 118.52.

4 Bedrooms. 156.49.

The LHA amount used in the calculation is valid for 12 months from the 1 April 2014 or until the claimant has a change of circumstance that affects the bedroom requirements.

The LHA amount is now reviewed annually on the 1 April each year.

The size criteria

One bedroom is allowed for each of the following:

a couple
someone who is 16 or over
two children of the same sex until they are 16
two children who are younger than 10
any other child (other than a foster child or child whose main home is elsewhere)
a carer (or group of carers) providing overnight care.
Each person is counted once in the first group that they would come into.

Not everyone in the house is counted when working out the number of bedrooms required.

The tenant and their partner are counted as well as any children or young people they are responsible for.

If the tenant has any other adults who are not boarders or lodgers, they are counted. Joint tenants are not counted.

A recent announcement by the Government has introduced two changes across both the private and social rented sectors. These relate to two specific groups and apply from the 1 April 2013:....not all roses for landlords or tenants....
If you got a problem with the amount of money for tenants on this post pasted from Newport City Councils web site, complain to them for more rent thicko's....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: This is what tenants are allowed per week in Newport Gwent.... Shared accommodation. 52.93. 1 Bedroom. 85.00. 2 Bedrooms. 103.56. 3 Bedrooms. 118.52. 4 Bedrooms. 156.49. The LHA amount used in the calculation is valid for 12 months from the 1 April 2014 or until the claimant has a change of circumstance that affects the bedroom requirements. The LHA amount is now reviewed annually on the 1 April each year. The size criteria One bedroom is allowed for each of the following: a couple someone who is 16 or over two children of the same sex until they are 16 two children who are younger than 10 any other child (other than a foster child or child whose main home is elsewhere) a carer (or group of carers) providing overnight care. Each person is counted once in the first group that they would come into. Not everyone in the house is counted when working out the number of bedrooms required. The tenant and their partner are counted as well as any children or young people they are responsible for. If the tenant has any other adults who are not boarders or lodgers, they are counted. Joint tenants are not counted. A recent announcement by the Government has introduced two changes across both the private and social rented sectors. These relate to two specific groups and apply from the 1 April 2013:....not all roses for landlords or tenants....[/p][/quote]If you got a problem with the amount of money for tenants on this post pasted from Newport City Councils web site, complain to them for more rent thicko's.... welshmen
  • Score: -10

9:45am Sun 1 Jun 14

Mervyn James says...

welshmen wrote:
This is what tenants are allowed per week in Newport Gwent....

Shared accommodation. 52.93.

1 Bedroom. 85.00.

2 Bedrooms. 103.56.

3 Bedrooms. 118.52.

4 Bedrooms. 156.49.

The LHA amount used in the calculation is valid for 12 months from the 1 April 2014 or until the claimant has a change of circumstance that affects the bedroom requirements.

The LHA amount is now reviewed annually on the 1 April each year.

The size criteria

One bedroom is allowed for each of the following:

a couple
someone who is 16 or over
two children of the same sex until they are 16
two children who are younger than 10
any other child (other than a foster child or child whose main home is elsewhere)
a carer (or group of carers) providing overnight care.
Each person is counted once in the first group that they would come into.

Not everyone in the house is counted when working out the number of bedrooms required.

The tenant and their partner are counted as well as any children or young people they are responsible for.

If the tenant has any other adults who are not boarders or lodgers, they are counted. Joint tenants are not counted.

A recent announcement by the Government has introduced two changes across both the private and social rented sectors. These relate to two specific groups and apply from the 1 April 2013:....not all roses for landlords or tenants....
Not so, there was a recent case where an extra room for a carer was rejected by the courts, and they can still charge for that.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: This is what tenants are allowed per week in Newport Gwent.... Shared accommodation. 52.93. 1 Bedroom. 85.00. 2 Bedrooms. 103.56. 3 Bedrooms. 118.52. 4 Bedrooms. 156.49. The LHA amount used in the calculation is valid for 12 months from the 1 April 2014 or until the claimant has a change of circumstance that affects the bedroom requirements. The LHA amount is now reviewed annually on the 1 April each year. The size criteria One bedroom is allowed for each of the following: a couple someone who is 16 or over two children of the same sex until they are 16 two children who are younger than 10 any other child (other than a foster child or child whose main home is elsewhere) a carer (or group of carers) providing overnight care. Each person is counted once in the first group that they would come into. Not everyone in the house is counted when working out the number of bedrooms required. The tenant and their partner are counted as well as any children or young people they are responsible for. If the tenant has any other adults who are not boarders or lodgers, they are counted. Joint tenants are not counted. A recent announcement by the Government has introduced two changes across both the private and social rented sectors. These relate to two specific groups and apply from the 1 April 2013:....not all roses for landlords or tenants....[/p][/quote]Not so, there was a recent case where an extra room for a carer was rejected by the courts, and they can still charge for that. Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

9:49am Sun 1 Jun 14

county mad says...

Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
Tower hamlets is very corrupt Lutfur Ali former labour concillor and leader,now heads a bangladeshi based muslim organisation and the tales of corruppt practices are many. Postal voting seems to be a vehicle for the asian(muslim) to ensure election and maintain control the governing body on electoral matters has proven itself toothless and worthless and needs sorting out NOW
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]Tower hamlets is very corrupt Lutfur Ali former labour concillor and leader,now heads a bangladeshi based muslim organisation and the tales of corruppt practices are many. Postal voting seems to be a vehicle for the asian(muslim) to ensure election and maintain control the governing body on electoral matters has proven itself toothless and worthless and needs sorting out NOW county mad
  • Score: 4

10:18am Sun 1 Jun 14

county mad says...

Dai Rear wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
Look Bob, filling in those postal voting forms is lengthy work and the Imams have (generally) only 2 hands. Patience, the results will get here (anyway if you'd made the effort to go to mosque last Friday you'd have heard them being announced.)
That would be funny if was not so close to the truth wake up people we have an alien culture growing in our midst using the lsbour party as a trojan horse BEWARE its happening in brum west yorks east lancs east london and starting in south walesI am not looking forward to seeing my first public executions YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]Look Bob, filling in those postal voting forms is lengthy work and the Imams have (generally) only 2 hands. Patience, the results will get here (anyway if you'd made the effort to go to mosque last Friday you'd have heard them being announced.)[/p][/quote]That would be funny if was not so close to the truth wake up people we have an alien culture growing in our midst using the lsbour party as a trojan horse BEWARE its happening in brum west yorks east lancs east london and starting in south walesI am not looking forward to seeing my first public executions YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!! county mad
  • Score: 1

2:04pm Sun 1 Jun 14

welshmen says...

county mad wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour

The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP

The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday)

The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect
Look Bob, filling in those postal voting forms is lengthy work and the Imams have (generally) only 2 hands. Patience, the results will get here (anyway if you'd made the effort to go to mosque last Friday you'd have heard them being announced.)
That would be funny if was not so close to the truth wake up people we have an alien culture growing in our midst using the lsbour party as a trojan horse BEWARE its happening in brum west yorks east lancs east london and starting in south walesI am not looking forward to seeing my first public executions YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!
Trying to wake up most on here will call you a Phobia name, they all try and hide the fact that the Labour Party is the Trojon horse, look how many Muslims won in London, Muslims voters are told who to vote for, just to back that up large amounts of that Culture were intimidating voters at the polling booth in Tower Hamlets accoring to the Media, how about some one closer to home to attract a huge vote, AM Ashghar, jumped from Plaid to Conservative, how can you switch and at the next election you win for another Party, who apparently offered work for his Family, something Plaid Cymru wouldn't do, the only reason he was selected was his Culture vote, how do you think George Galloway got elected for "The Respect Party" the Muslim Vote, when theirs more of them voting our democracy will disappear and guess what will take it's place? Sharia Law, 40% of Muslims in this Country want Sharia Law according to an opinion poll in the Sunday Telegraph a while ago, the biggest threat to the world peace according to Tony Blair, who's Party started all the Wars against Muslim Countries is Radical Islam....
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: What has not really been bought out is UKIP nearly polled more votes than Labour The Lib-Dems though were thrashed. They lot all bar one of their seats in the UK and in most cases came in behind the Greens and in at least one case behind the BNP The really interesting thing though is the strange goings on in Tower Hamlets in London. 3 days after the close of the local elections they have still not declared and counting is due to resume this morning(Monday) The declared out of 51% also seems very suspect[/p][/quote]Look Bob, filling in those postal voting forms is lengthy work and the Imams have (generally) only 2 hands. Patience, the results will get here (anyway if you'd made the effort to go to mosque last Friday you'd have heard them being announced.)[/p][/quote]That would be funny if was not so close to the truth wake up people we have an alien culture growing in our midst using the lsbour party as a trojan horse BEWARE its happening in brum west yorks east lancs east london and starting in south walesI am not looking forward to seeing my first public executions YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!![/p][/quote]Trying to wake up most on here will call you a Phobia name, they all try and hide the fact that the Labour Party is the Trojon horse, look how many Muslims won in London, Muslims voters are told who to vote for, just to back that up large amounts of that Culture were intimidating voters at the polling booth in Tower Hamlets accoring to the Media, how about some one closer to home to attract a huge vote, AM Ashghar, jumped from Plaid to Conservative, how can you switch and at the next election you win for another Party, who apparently offered work for his Family, something Plaid Cymru wouldn't do, the only reason he was selected was his Culture vote, how do you think George Galloway got elected for "The Respect Party" the Muslim Vote, when theirs more of them voting our democracy will disappear and guess what will take it's place? Sharia Law, 40% of Muslims in this Country want Sharia Law according to an opinion poll in the Sunday Telegraph a while ago, the biggest threat to the world peace according to Tony Blair, who's Party started all the Wars against Muslim Countries is Radical Islam.... welshmen
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