Plaid petition opposes M4 relief road

BOTTLENECK: An example of congestion on the M4 eastbound through Newport between Junction 24 at the Coldra and Junction 23A for Magor

BOTTLENECK: An example of congestion on the M4 eastbound through Newport between Junction 24 at the Coldra and Junction 23A for Magor

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A PETITION has been launched by Plaid Cymru asking the Welsh Government to reconsider its decision to build the M4 relief road in Newport.

Party leader Leanne Wood claims the Labour administration is insulting “the national cohesion of Wales” by using all of the country’s borrowing power on one project, which she says only benefits the south of the country.

Transport minister Edwina Hart announced last month that the new M4 motorway, costing £1 billion, would be built by 2022 from the existing junction 23 at Magor to junction 29 at Castleton.

Friends of the Earth Cymru have also opposed the decision and last week said they will be writing to Welsh ministers asking them to reconsider the project before taking it to judicial review.

Ms Wood said: “For too many communities, it appears this Labour Government’s entire policy focus is on the Gwent-Glamorgan M4 corridor. Their decision to blow Wales’ entire borrowing powers on one M4 project without proper consultation is short-sighted and, in my opinion, an affront to the national cohesion of Wales.

“By acting with such disregard for public and political opinion, Labour’s actions will alienate more and more people and more and more communities who will be wondering when they will see a devolution dividend.

“Plaid Cymru recognises the need to resolve the issues around the M4 in Gwent, but we supported a less costly and more sensible alternative that would see the congestion challenge met but without the financial and environmental costs that accompany Labour’s plans.”

The petition cites three reasons why signatories believe the new section of M4 to be “misguided”.

They are that the motorway would be “environmentally damaging”, the scheme is costly and alternative proposals could be put in place to address traffic problems quickly and at a lower cost.

A spokesman for the Welsh Government said: “We are committed to this infrastructure project, which is of vital importance to the economic prosperity of Wales.”

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8:04am Fri 8 Aug 14

mr david says...

Lost my vote now .
Lost my vote now . mr david
  • Score: 0

8:04am Fri 8 Aug 14

mr david says...

Lost my vote now.
Lost my vote now. mr david
  • Score: -6

8:09am Fri 8 Aug 14

Sometimes says...

Ms Woods statement is a good example of why she should never be given any power in Wales, if it wasn't for the Gwent-Glamorgan M4 corridor, Wales would be even more skint than it is, then where would the millions come from the waste on her beloved Welsh language? Most of us who sit in the traffic chaos of the SDR welcome the proposal, albeit well overdue. most of us are worried that it will never happen as with most WAG headlines!
Ms Woods statement is a good example of why she should never be given any power in Wales, if it wasn't for the Gwent-Glamorgan M4 corridor, Wales would be even more skint than it is, then where would the millions come from the waste on her beloved Welsh language? Most of us who sit in the traffic chaos of the SDR welcome the proposal, albeit well overdue. most of us are worried that it will never happen as with most WAG headlines! Sometimes
  • Score: 7

8:39am Fri 8 Aug 14

Woodgnome says...

I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too.
I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.
I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too. I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost. Woodgnome
  • Score: 6

9:10am Fri 8 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Leanne in favour of moving the Assembly to Bangor? What, and foresake all those lovely lovely Bay jobs for the Pontcanna political class and their needy families? Hell would freeze first. I expected more from Ms Woods but as her lies over Nuclear power prove....she's as bent a chancer as all the rest.
Leanne in favour of moving the Assembly to Bangor? What, and foresake all those lovely lovely Bay jobs for the Pontcanna political class and their needy families? Hell would freeze first. I expected more from Ms Woods but as her lies over Nuclear power prove....she's as bent a chancer as all the rest. KarloMarko
  • Score: -8

9:46am Fri 8 Aug 14

Pafkay says...

You mean waste money on improving road communications to the section of Wales that makes all the money? Yes its a terrible idea,

/sarcasm mode off
You mean waste money on improving road communications to the section of Wales that makes all the money? Yes its a terrible idea, /sarcasm mode off Pafkay
  • Score: 10

10:18am Fri 8 Aug 14

WELSH BUDDAH says...

Woodgnome wrote:
I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too.
I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.
Nicely put Woodgnome it is a sticky one and some of the comments above are really untrue. Why should the relief of the M4 have all the money spent on it when there are other cheaper ways of doing, and then there is the wildlife. And I think a lot of the comments above are anti-Welsh and maybe from non Welsh people who don't even bother voting. I think this is more about the way Labour has gone about it not about doing nothing to the M4.
[quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too. I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Woodgnome it is a sticky one and some of the comments above are really untrue. Why should the relief of the M4 have all the money spent on it when there are other cheaper ways of doing, and then there is the wildlife. And I think a lot of the comments above are anti-Welsh and maybe from non Welsh people who don't even bother voting. I think this is more about the way Labour has gone about it not about doing nothing to the M4. WELSH BUDDAH
  • Score: -9

10:27am Fri 8 Aug 14

WELSH BUDDAH says...

I think this is just the start of this with Friends of the Earth.

** No M4 relief road reversal says Hart ** The transport minister says she will not reverse her decision on an M4 relief road around Newport in the face of a legal challenge.
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I think this is just the start of this with Friends of the Earth. ** No M4 relief road reversal says Hart ** The transport minister says she will not reverse her decision on an M4 relief road around Newport in the face of a legal challenge. < http://www.bbc.co.uk /go/em/fr/-/news/uk- wales-politics-28692 055 > WELSH BUDDAH
  • Score: 3

10:49am Fri 8 Aug 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

WELSH BUDDAH wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too.
I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.
Nicely put Woodgnome it is a sticky one and some of the comments above are really untrue. Why should the relief of the M4 have all the money spent on it when there are other cheaper ways of doing, and then there is the wildlife. And I think a lot of the comments above are anti-Welsh and maybe from non Welsh people who don't even bother voting. I think this is more about the way Labour has gone about it not about doing nothing to the M4.
After decades of debate, studies and consultations all the other options have been explored and discounted because the cheaper options don't solve the problem. Millions have been wasted on the current M4 to achieve nothing since the relief road was cancelled in 1991 and the people of Newport and South Wales have put up with this daily chaos and carnage since and for years to come. Newport has had less than nil investment from the UK and WAG governments for decades. No more talking - get the relief road built.
[quote][p][bold]WELSH BUDDAH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too. I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Woodgnome it is a sticky one and some of the comments above are really untrue. Why should the relief of the M4 have all the money spent on it when there are other cheaper ways of doing, and then there is the wildlife. And I think a lot of the comments above are anti-Welsh and maybe from non Welsh people who don't even bother voting. I think this is more about the way Labour has gone about it not about doing nothing to the M4.[/p][/quote]After decades of debate, studies and consultations all the other options have been explored and discounted because the cheaper options don't solve the problem. Millions have been wasted on the current M4 to achieve nothing since the relief road was cancelled in 1991 and the people of Newport and South Wales have put up with this daily chaos and carnage since and for years to come. Newport has had less than nil investment from the UK and WAG governments for decades. No more talking - get the relief road built. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 20

11:41am Fri 8 Aug 14

GeorgeapNada says...

A lot of you are missing the point here. Plaid Cymru is not against sorting out the trafic congestion - they have asked for an alternative route which could be built at less than half the price and much sooner. There are a lot of people in the Newport area, not just in other parts of Wales, that disagree with the Labour Welsh Govt as well. I'm thinking in particular of the people that work in the port where the owners have said it will cost jobs and investment in the current scheme goes ahead.
A lot of you are missing the point here. Plaid Cymru is not against sorting out the trafic congestion - they have asked for an alternative route which could be built at less than half the price and much sooner. There are a lot of people in the Newport area, not just in other parts of Wales, that disagree with the Labour Welsh Govt as well. I'm thinking in particular of the people that work in the port where the owners have said it will cost jobs and investment in the current scheme goes ahead. GeorgeapNada
  • Score: 0

12:51pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Sometimes says...

GeorgeapNada wrote:
A lot of you are missing the point here. Plaid Cymru is not against sorting out the trafic congestion - they have asked for an alternative route which could be built at less than half the price and much sooner. There are a lot of people in the Newport area, not just in other parts of Wales, that disagree with the Labour Welsh Govt as well. I'm thinking in particular of the people that work in the port where the owners have said it will cost jobs and investment in the current scheme goes ahead.
Anyone who has to commute along the SDR know that the other "alternative" routes are not viable, there are too many traffic lights and roundabouts which will cause even more delays, a bypass is the best option
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeapNada[/bold] wrote: A lot of you are missing the point here. Plaid Cymru is not against sorting out the trafic congestion - they have asked for an alternative route which could be built at less than half the price and much sooner. There are a lot of people in the Newport area, not just in other parts of Wales, that disagree with the Labour Welsh Govt as well. I'm thinking in particular of the people that work in the port where the owners have said it will cost jobs and investment in the current scheme goes ahead.[/p][/quote]Anyone who has to commute along the SDR know that the other "alternative" routes are not viable, there are too many traffic lights and roundabouts which will cause even more delays, a bypass is the best option Sometimes
  • Score: 6

1:00pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Sometimes says...

WELSH BUDDAH wrote:
Woodgnome wrote:
I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too.
I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.
Nicely put Woodgnome it is a sticky one and some of the comments above are really untrue. Why should the relief of the M4 have all the money spent on it when there are other cheaper ways of doing, and then there is the wildlife. And I think a lot of the comments above are anti-Welsh and maybe from non Welsh people who don't even bother voting. I think this is more about the way Labour has gone about it not about doing nothing to the M4.
I'm Welsh, I live in Wales, I commute into Newport, I spend thousands of pounds every year to get to work, I vote, (but not always for Labour), I speak English as it's the national language and no one speaks Welsh where I live. I'm not anti Welsh, I am anti Welsh Language as there are better things we could teach our kids to help their futures. Do you use the SDR to get into work or are you just opposing it due to cost? This is the only sane thing to have come out of the WAG.
[quote][p][bold]WELSH BUDDAH[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Woodgnome[/bold] wrote: I don't vote Plaid but this is a sticky one. If you live in Llandudno or Rhayader you might think you had priorities too that required funding too. I suspect everyone agrees something has to be done about M4 relief - the issue now is what and at what cost.[/p][/quote]Nicely put Woodgnome it is a sticky one and some of the comments above are really untrue. Why should the relief of the M4 have all the money spent on it when there are other cheaper ways of doing, and then there is the wildlife. And I think a lot of the comments above are anti-Welsh and maybe from non Welsh people who don't even bother voting. I think this is more about the way Labour has gone about it not about doing nothing to the M4.[/p][/quote]I'm Welsh, I live in Wales, I commute into Newport, I spend thousands of pounds every year to get to work, I vote, (but not always for Labour), I speak English as it's the national language and no one speaks Welsh where I live. I'm not anti Welsh, I am anti Welsh Language as there are better things we could teach our kids to help their futures. Do you use the SDR to get into work or are you just opposing it due to cost? This is the only sane thing to have come out of the WAG. Sometimes
  • Score: -1

6:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Thomas O'Malley says...

GeorgeapNada wrote:
A lot of you are missing the point here. Plaid Cymru is not against sorting out the trafic congestion - they have asked for an alternative route which could be built at less than half the price and much sooner. There are a lot of people in the Newport area, not just in other parts of Wales, that disagree with the Labour Welsh Govt as well. I'm thinking in particular of the people that work in the port where the owners have said it will cost jobs and investment in the current scheme goes ahead.
Sorry, you are missing the point. The alternate routes HAVE been evaluated and discounted because they don't solve the problem. We can't continue to waste millions on compromise solutions that don't work. The relief road if the only viable solution - get it built.
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeapNada[/bold] wrote: A lot of you are missing the point here. Plaid Cymru is not against sorting out the trafic congestion - they have asked for an alternative route which could be built at less than half the price and much sooner. There are a lot of people in the Newport area, not just in other parts of Wales, that disagree with the Labour Welsh Govt as well. I'm thinking in particular of the people that work in the port where the owners have said it will cost jobs and investment in the current scheme goes ahead.[/p][/quote]Sorry, you are missing the point. The alternate routes HAVE been evaluated and discounted because they don't solve the problem. We can't continue to waste millions on compromise solutions that don't work. The relief road if the only viable solution - get it built. Thomas O'Malley
  • Score: 15

8:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Limestonecowboy says...

The new M4 is not about Newport but the economies of the further west incl. Ireland the money need to be spend in the region because this is the commercial hub like it or not whats in mid Wales?
The new M4 is not about Newport but the economies of the further west incl. Ireland the money need to be spend in the region because this is the commercial hub like it or not whats in mid Wales? Limestonecowboy
  • Score: 2

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