'Peace camp' will be held in Pill during Newport Nato summit

'Peace camp' will be held in Pill during Newport Nato summit

'Peace camp' will be held in Pill during Newport Nato summit

First published in Gwent news

A 'PEACE' camp will be held in Newport while the Nato summit takes place in the city it has been revealed.

The camp will be set up on playing fields next to Pillgwenlly Millennium Centre.

A spokeswoman for Newport City Council said they have met Pillgwenlly community leaders to discuss the plans from the protestors to hold the peace camp there.

She added as no alternative sites were offered, partner agencies are attempting to work with the protestors to minimise the potential impact as much as possible and to prevent potential damage to this community site.

A group taking members from different agencies has met the protesters to discuss what may be provided at the camp, what restrictions will be in place, and in turn, what will be expected of those using the facility.

Subject to appropriate agreements with the camp organisers, Newport City Council will provide toilet, water, waste and cleansing supplies and services.

Dates for the camp are yet to be finalised but it is understood that it will operate from 27 August to the weekend following the summit.

Discussions regarding funding for services provided for the camp are continuing as are talks with the protestors.

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6:50pm Fri 8 Aug 14

b3talover says...

Oh the irony!
Oh the irony! b3talover
  • Score: 17

6:55pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Magor says...

Total waste of time and will achieve nothing.
Total waste of time and will achieve nothing. Magor
  • Score: 11

7:53pm Fri 8 Aug 14

DGee123 says...

Hope the protesters have the sense to ralise that vandalism and graffiti in places the elite will never go anywhere near would be horrifically disrespectful to the ordinary people of Newport.
Hope the protesters have the sense to ralise that vandalism and graffiti in places the elite will never go anywhere near would be horrifically disrespectful to the ordinary people of Newport. DGee123
  • Score: 29

8:40pm Fri 8 Aug 14

disgruntled taxpayer says...

how about hartridge school playing fields , why have them trapse all through newport , when they could be contained near the celtic manor !!!
as it is none of the G8 party will come into newport , why should we have all the trouble in the centre of newport !!!
how about hartridge school playing fields , why have them trapse all through newport , when they could be contained near the celtic manor !!! as it is none of the G8 party will come into newport , why should we have all the trouble in the centre of newport !!! disgruntled taxpayer
  • Score: 7

8:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

blackandamber says...

When are the loobyloo brigade going to realise that it's NATO that keeps the peace.
When are the loobyloo brigade going to realise that it's NATO that keeps the peace. blackandamber
  • Score: 13

8:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

welshmen says...

These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....
These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer.... welshmen
  • Score: 21

8:58pm Fri 8 Aug 14

artsfan says...

DGee123 wrote:
Hope the protesters have the sense to ralise that vandalism and graffiti in places the elite will never go anywhere near would be horrifically disrespectful to the ordinary people of Newport.
The peace campaigners have decided on a central location, not to vandalise and graffiti (we have enough of that in Newport already) or to disrespect the people of Newport. Remember the Ryder Cup, where the people and businesses of Newport did not benefit at all? Now we have the NATO summit, which would be exactly the same, bar tighter security, if it were not for the peace campaigners. One of the main reasons they are going to be camping in Pill as opposed to out in the sticks is so that they can make a difference to local businesses, and put on events that can benefit the wider community.
[quote][p][bold]DGee123[/bold] wrote: Hope the protesters have the sense to ralise that vandalism and graffiti in places the elite will never go anywhere near would be horrifically disrespectful to the ordinary people of Newport.[/p][/quote]The peace campaigners have decided on a central location, not to vandalise and graffiti (we have enough of that in Newport already) or to disrespect the people of Newport. Remember the Ryder Cup, where the people and businesses of Newport did not benefit at all? Now we have the NATO summit, which would be exactly the same, bar tighter security, if it were not for the peace campaigners. One of the main reasons they are going to be camping in Pill as opposed to out in the sticks is so that they can make a difference to local businesses, and put on events that can benefit the wider community. artsfan
  • Score: -9

9:05pm Fri 8 Aug 14

pigbag says...

b3talover wrote:
Oh the irony!
Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other.
How very dare they.
[quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: Oh the irony![/p][/quote]Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other. How very dare they. pigbag
  • Score: -3

9:12pm Fri 8 Aug 14

artsfan says...

welshmen wrote:
These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....
Unlike the NATO warmongers, these peace campaigners will be spending money in local shops. They are coming from all over Europe and the rest of the UK. They should be welcomed and perhaps word will get around that Wales is a good place to visit, which could have long term benefits for our tourist industry.

Look back at the Argus from 3 days ago : "Opponents have predicted the security operation will cost in the region of £50million, little of which they say will directly benefit local businesses.

Last month the minister for Europe David Lidington said the UK government had reserved more than 24,000 room nights in 80 hotels in Newport, Cardiff and Bristol. "

And you're complaining about the cost of a drop of water and a couple of portaloos for the week? Unbelievable....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....[/p][/quote]Unlike the NATO warmongers, these peace campaigners will be spending money in local shops. They are coming from all over Europe and the rest of the UK. They should be welcomed and perhaps word will get around that Wales is a good place to visit, which could have long term benefits for our tourist industry. Look back at the Argus from 3 days ago : "Opponents have predicted the security operation will cost in the region of £50million, little of which they say will directly benefit local businesses. Last month the minister for Europe David Lidington said the UK government had reserved more than 24,000 room nights in 80 hotels in Newport, Cardiff and Bristol. " And you're complaining about the cost of a drop of water and a couple of portaloos for the week? Unbelievable.... artsfan
  • Score: -17

9:44pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Bobevans says...

The battle lines are now being drawn for the next election. UKIP's Nigel Farage will probably be standing in Thanet South. This is subject to him being selected by the local party as UKIP do not parachute candidates in
The battle lines are now being drawn for the next election. UKIP's Nigel Farage will probably be standing in Thanet South. This is subject to him being selected by the local party as UKIP do not parachute candidates in Bobevans
  • Score: -9

11:42pm Fri 8 Aug 14

sallyw says...

What about the people who use the park for recreational purposes? Why does Pill always get the short straw? Why were no other areas considered? And why was this decided so late in the day, so that the residents of Pill have little time to make their feelings known - whether for or against this? Once again the council seem to have made a decision without due democratic process.
What about the people who use the park for recreational purposes? Why does Pill always get the short straw? Why were no other areas considered? And why was this decided so late in the day, so that the residents of Pill have little time to make their feelings known - whether for or against this? Once again the council seem to have made a decision without due democratic process. sallyw
  • Score: 26

11:44pm Fri 8 Aug 14

sallyw says...

Surely the decision as to whether this peace camp should be sited in Pill should be made by the people who live and work here.
Surely the decision as to whether this peace camp should be sited in Pill should be made by the people who live and work here. sallyw
  • Score: 27

12:33am Sat 9 Aug 14

JoJoJoJo says...

One of the major ringleaders is known personally to me and lives on benefits due to the fact she can't walk. Although she seems fine when she's on these type of demonstrations! I wonder if the DSS are sending of their fraud team to Pill at about the same time this camp is set up?
One of the major ringleaders is known personally to me and lives on benefits due to the fact she can't walk. Although she seems fine when she's on these type of demonstrations! I wonder if the DSS are sending of their fraud team to Pill at about the same time this camp is set up? JoJoJoJo
  • Score: 32

12:38am Sat 9 Aug 14

Howie' says...

Bobevans wrote:
The battle lines are now being drawn for the next election. UKIP's Nigel Farage will probably be standing in Thanet South. This is subject to him being selected by the local party as UKIP do not parachute candidates in
' This is subject to him being selected by the local party as UKIP do not parachute candidates in'.................
.Is that a flying pig I see?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: The battle lines are now being drawn for the next election. UKIP's Nigel Farage will probably be standing in Thanet South. This is subject to him being selected by the local party as UKIP do not parachute candidates in[/p][/quote]' This is subject to him being selected by the local party as UKIP do not parachute candidates in'................. .Is that a flying pig I see? Howie'
  • Score: 1

7:04am Sat 9 Aug 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

I think the only legal way by which the majority of people in Newport could challenge the NATO summit would be for all the workers to organise a mass strike for the two days that it takes place.
I think the only legal way by which the majority of people in Newport could challenge the NATO summit would be for all the workers to organise a mass strike for the two days that it takes place. Katie Re-Registered
  • Score: -11

7:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

Pam Glover says...

Why weren't residents and property owners directly facing the field informed, or asked their opinion? Pill residents are treated dreadfully. To me, it seems that Pill is now the official dumping ground for the lawless. The residents will have to face battle-ready, jumpy riot squad officers, who would not be able to differentiate between a resident from a protester. Why Pill again, why not Tredegar Park, Coronation Park, or better still, Caerleon sports fields all of which are away from housing and would cause less chaos on the roads when they travel to their objective. Or, if they must have a built up area, why not Caerleon Common? I believe this is all part of a containment policy of putting all the trouble and problems down Pill (kettling?) and leave the law abiding residents of Pill to live in disorder. I would say the ghettoisation of Pillgwenlly is nearly complete. It is glaringly obvious how Newport City Council, Newport City Homes, and the Police continually show their contempt for Pillgwenlly's law abiding residents. I do not object to these peace protesters, who must have strong social consciences and are willing to get off there backsides and peacefully demonstrate, but Pill could do without this added chaos. If any of the organisers of this “Peace Camp” are from Newport, why did they choose Pill? Weren't there any fields in their back yard?
Why weren't residents and property owners directly facing the field informed, or asked their opinion? Pill residents are treated dreadfully. To me, it seems that Pill is now the official dumping ground for the lawless. The residents will have to face battle-ready, jumpy riot squad officers, who would not be able to differentiate between a resident from a protester. Why Pill again, why not Tredegar Park, Coronation Park, or better still, Caerleon sports fields all of which are away from housing and would cause less chaos on the roads when they travel to their objective. Or, if they must have a built up area, why not Caerleon Common? I believe this is all part of a containment policy of putting all the trouble and problems down Pill (kettling?) and leave the law abiding residents of Pill to live in disorder. I would say the ghettoisation of Pillgwenlly is nearly complete. It is glaringly obvious how Newport City Council, Newport City Homes, and the Police continually show their contempt for Pillgwenlly's law abiding residents. I do not object to these peace protesters, who must have strong social consciences and are willing to get off there backsides and peacefully demonstrate, but Pill could do without this added chaos. If any of the organisers of this “Peace Camp” are from Newport, why did they choose Pill? Weren't there any fields in their back yard? Pam Glover
  • Score: 32

8:08am Sat 9 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

"Nothing can stand in the wayof the power of millions of voices calling for change." - Obama. Meanwhile in Newport thousands who rightly call for REAL change in their government's disastrous foreign policies are about to be very firmly "contained and kettled" as Pam rightly says above. "A military feel" as the police have said. Democracy, Smokracy.
"Nothing can stand in the wayof the power of millions of voices calling for change." - Obama. Meanwhile in Newport thousands who rightly call for REAL change in their government's disastrous foreign policies are about to be very firmly "contained and kettled" as Pam rightly says above. "A military feel" as the police have said. Democracy, Smokracy. KarloMarko
  • Score: -1

8:31am Sat 9 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Btw, If the Argus is going to put "Peace Camp" in quotes, maybe they should add "War Camp" to the description of Nato's Newport summit as they cheerlead it.
Btw, If the Argus is going to put "Peace Camp" in quotes, maybe they should add "War Camp" to the description of Nato's Newport summit as they cheerlead it. KarloMarko
  • Score: 4

8:59am Sat 9 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Btw, If the Argus is going to put "Peace Camp" in quotes, maybe they should add "War Camp" to the description of Nato's Newport summit as they cheerlead it.
If some of the antics of these so called 'peace' protestors in the recent past are anything to go by, then this 'camp' will have been just as inappropriately named. If some of them would travel to the ISIS trouble spots (at their own expense of course, I'm sure the locals would set them up some portaloos and supplies), and remonstrate with the murdering savages in those far flung spots, we might develop more respect for them. But I think it might be posthumously.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Btw, If the Argus is going to put "Peace Camp" in quotes, maybe they should add "War Camp" to the description of Nato's Newport summit as they cheerlead it.[/p][/quote]If some of the antics of these so called 'peace' protestors in the recent past are anything to go by, then this 'camp' will have been just as inappropriately named. If some of them would travel to the ISIS trouble spots (at their own expense of course, I'm sure the locals would set them up some portaloos and supplies), and remonstrate with the murdering savages in those far flung spots, we might develop more respect for them. But I think it might be posthumously. Stevenboy
  • Score: 10

9:05am Sat 9 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.
Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO. KarloMarko
  • Score: 5

11:17am Sat 9 Aug 14

artsfan says...

KarloMarko wrote:
Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.
And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.
[quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.[/p][/quote]And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries. artsfan
  • Score: 0

11:26am Sat 9 Aug 14

artsfan says...

I think you will find that it was the peace activists who ASKED to camp in Pill. Like I mentioned earlier, they are keen to get involved with the local community and are putting on many events in Pill Mill during the week, including talks, workshops music and poetry events. They are aware that Newport saw no benefit from the Ryder Cup and are keen to make a difference now the NATO summit has come to town. They will be supporting local businesses, which they would not be able to do if they had chosen to camp in a field out of town. Some groups wanted all the events to happen in Cardiff, but as a result of Newport activists speaking up only the Counter Summit Conference is happening there. I'm sure there would have been plenty of grounds for complaint if the peace camp was in Cardiff and Newport had lost out once again.
I think you will find that it was the peace activists who ASKED to camp in Pill. Like I mentioned earlier, they are keen to get involved with the local community and are putting on many events in Pill Mill during the week, including talks, workshops music and poetry events. They are aware that Newport saw no benefit from the Ryder Cup and are keen to make a difference now the NATO summit has come to town. They will be supporting local businesses, which they would not be able to do if they had chosen to camp in a field out of town. Some groups wanted all the events to happen in Cardiff, but as a result of Newport activists speaking up only the Counter Summit Conference is happening there. I'm sure there would have been plenty of grounds for complaint if the peace camp was in Cardiff and Newport had lost out once again. artsfan
  • Score: -2

11:32am Sat 9 Aug 14

artsfan says...

Pam Glover wrote:
Why weren't residents and property owners directly facing the field informed, or asked their opinion? Pill residents are treated dreadfully. To me, it seems that Pill is now the official dumping ground for the lawless. The residents will have to face battle-ready, jumpy riot squad officers, who would not be able to differentiate between a resident from a protester. Why Pill again, why not Tredegar Park, Coronation Park, or better still, Caerleon sports fields all of which are away from housing and would cause less chaos on the roads when they travel to their objective. Or, if they must have a built up area, why not Caerleon Common? I believe this is all part of a containment policy of putting all the trouble and problems down Pill (kettling?) and leave the law abiding residents of Pill to live in disorder. I would say the ghettoisation of Pillgwenlly is nearly complete. It is glaringly obvious how Newport City Council, Newport City Homes, and the Police continually show their contempt for Pillgwenlly's law abiding residents. I do not object to these peace protesters, who must have strong social consciences and are willing to get off there backsides and peacefully demonstrate, but Pill could do without this added chaos. If any of the organisers of this “Peace Camp” are from Newport, why did they choose Pill? Weren't there any fields in their back yard?
Houses in the area have had their doors knocked on and leaflets given out/posted through letter boxes by some of the peace campaigners. Also, the Peace Camp working group has been informed that there will be Police Liaison officers in the area but no riot squad officers. If you are a resident and have any worries, why not message the NoNatoNewport facebook page. I'm sure they would be more than happy to send people along to talk to you on a face-to-face basis to try and put your mind at rest. Like you said, these are people with strong social consciences and I'm sure that the last thing they would want to do is cause trouble for the people of Pill.
[quote][p][bold]Pam Glover[/bold] wrote: Why weren't residents and property owners directly facing the field informed, or asked their opinion? Pill residents are treated dreadfully. To me, it seems that Pill is now the official dumping ground for the lawless. The residents will have to face battle-ready, jumpy riot squad officers, who would not be able to differentiate between a resident from a protester. Why Pill again, why not Tredegar Park, Coronation Park, or better still, Caerleon sports fields all of which are away from housing and would cause less chaos on the roads when they travel to their objective. Or, if they must have a built up area, why not Caerleon Common? I believe this is all part of a containment policy of putting all the trouble and problems down Pill (kettling?) and leave the law abiding residents of Pill to live in disorder. I would say the ghettoisation of Pillgwenlly is nearly complete. It is glaringly obvious how Newport City Council, Newport City Homes, and the Police continually show their contempt for Pillgwenlly's law abiding residents. I do not object to these peace protesters, who must have strong social consciences and are willing to get off there backsides and peacefully demonstrate, but Pill could do without this added chaos. If any of the organisers of this “Peace Camp” are from Newport, why did they choose Pill? Weren't there any fields in their back yard?[/p][/quote]Houses in the area have had their doors knocked on and leaflets given out/posted through letter boxes by some of the peace campaigners. Also, the Peace Camp working group has been informed that there will be Police Liaison officers in the area but no riot squad officers. If you are a resident and have any worries, why not message the NoNatoNewport facebook page. I'm sure they would be more than happy to send people along to talk to you on a face-to-face basis to try and put your mind at rest. Like you said, these are people with strong social consciences and I'm sure that the last thing they would want to do is cause trouble for the people of Pill. artsfan
  • Score: 0

12:07pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Stevenboy says...

artsfan wrote:
KarloMarko wrote:
Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.
And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.
Isn't it true that Russia is by far the worlds biggest arms exporter? And China is third biggest? Puts a slightly less simplistic slant on things perhaps.
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.[/p][/quote]And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.[/p][/quote]Isn't it true that Russia is by far the worlds biggest arms exporter? And China is third biggest? Puts a slightly less simplistic slant on things perhaps. Stevenboy
  • Score: 12

12:20pm Sat 9 Aug 14

SpaceRaiders says...

artsfan wrote:
KarloMarko wrote:
Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.
And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.
Ironic that NATO has kept the peace throughout it's existence and the peace camp is protesting against it.
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.[/p][/quote]And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.[/p][/quote]Ironic that NATO has kept the peace throughout it's existence and the peace camp is protesting against it. SpaceRaiders
  • Score: 12

1:17pm Sat 9 Aug 14

welshmen says...

artsfan wrote:
welshmen wrote:
These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....
Unlike the NATO warmongers, these peace campaigners will be spending money in local shops. They are coming from all over Europe and the rest of the UK. They should be welcomed and perhaps word will get around that Wales is a good place to visit, which could have long term benefits for our tourist industry.

Look back at the Argus from 3 days ago : "Opponents have predicted the security operation will cost in the region of £50million, little of which they say will directly benefit local businesses.

Last month the minister for Europe David Lidington said the UK government had reserved more than 24,000 room nights in 80 hotels in Newport, Cardiff and Bristol. "

And you're complaining about the cost of a drop of water and a couple of portaloos for the week? Unbelievable....
Just, take yourself, your protest, their money and Foxtrot Oscar out of our City....
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....[/p][/quote]Unlike the NATO warmongers, these peace campaigners will be spending money in local shops. They are coming from all over Europe and the rest of the UK. They should be welcomed and perhaps word will get around that Wales is a good place to visit, which could have long term benefits for our tourist industry. Look back at the Argus from 3 days ago : "Opponents have predicted the security operation will cost in the region of £50million, little of which they say will directly benefit local businesses. Last month the minister for Europe David Lidington said the UK government had reserved more than 24,000 room nights in 80 hotels in Newport, Cardiff and Bristol. " And you're complaining about the cost of a drop of water and a couple of portaloos for the week? Unbelievable....[/p][/quote]Just, take yourself, your protest, their money and Foxtrot Oscar out of our City.... welshmen
  • Score: 7

1:47pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

pigbag wrote:
b3talover wrote:
Oh the irony!
Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other.
How very dare they.
I'm guessing that people in eastern Ukraine would be quite happy not to be invaded by the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that if they showed the Red Army a bit of peace, love, respect and help it'd go away? Why doesn't the great unwashed go there and show 'em how it's done instead of Pill? The poor Ukrainians could do with a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]pigbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: Oh the irony![/p][/quote]Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other. How very dare they.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that people in eastern Ukraine would be quite happy not to be invaded by the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that if they showed the Red Army a bit of peace, love, respect and help it'd go away? Why doesn't the great unwashed go there and show 'em how it's done instead of Pill? The poor Ukrainians could do with a laugh. Dai Rear
  • Score: 7

3:43pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Pam Glover says...

artsfan wrote:
Pam Glover wrote:
Why weren't residents and property owners directly facing the field informed, or asked their opinion? Pill residents are treated dreadfully. To me, it seems that Pill is now the official dumping ground for the lawless. The residents will have to face battle-ready, jumpy riot squad officers, who would not be able to differentiate between a resident from a protester. Why Pill again, why not Tredegar Park, Coronation Park, or better still, Caerleon sports fields all of which are away from housing and would cause less chaos on the roads when they travel to their objective. Or, if they must have a built up area, why not Caerleon Common? I believe this is all part of a containment policy of putting all the trouble and problems down Pill (kettling?) and leave the law abiding residents of Pill to live in disorder. I would say the ghettoisation of Pillgwenlly is nearly complete. It is glaringly obvious how Newport City Council, Newport City Homes, and the Police continually show their contempt for Pillgwenlly's law abiding residents. I do not object to these peace protesters, who must have strong social consciences and are willing to get off there backsides and peacefully demonstrate, but Pill could do without this added chaos. If any of the organisers of this “Peace Camp” are from Newport, why did they choose Pill? Weren't there any fields in their back yard?
Houses in the area have had their doors knocked on and leaflets given out/posted through letter boxes by some of the peace campaigners. Also, the Peace Camp working group has been informed that there will be Police Liaison officers in the area but no riot squad officers. If you are a resident and have any worries, why not message the NoNatoNewport facebook page. I'm sure they would be more than happy to send people along to talk to you on a face-to-face basis to try and put your mind at rest. Like you said, these are people with strong social consciences and I'm sure that the last thing they would want to do is cause trouble for the people of Pill.
Artsfan wrote: "Houses in the area have had their doors knocked on and leaflets given out/posted through letter boxes by some of the peace campaigners. Also, the Peace Camp working group has been informed that there will be Police Liaison officers in the area but no riot squad officers. If you are a resident and have any worries, why not message the NoNatoNewport facebook page. I'm sure they would be more than happy to send people along to talk to you on a face-to-face basis to try and put your mind at rest. Like you said, these are people with strong social consciences and I'm sure that the last thing they would want to do is cause trouble for the people of Pill."

I live in the area and have received no leaflets, nor has anybody knocked my door. Even our local Councillors knew nothing about this until last Thursday.
NoNatoNewport has already caused trouble for pillgwenlly. They are going to take over our sports fields and children's play area during the summer holiday. There is always trouble at these anti Nato demonstrations, whether intentional, or not. How can you guarantee that this camp will be any different.
Your tone regarding local businesses profiting from these demonstrators sounded very patronising. Unfortunately, Lidls profits(the nearest shop) will probably go directly to it's German owner.
There are more important things than some theoretical small profit going into a small corner shop owners pocket.
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pam Glover[/bold] wrote: Why weren't residents and property owners directly facing the field informed, or asked their opinion? Pill residents are treated dreadfully. To me, it seems that Pill is now the official dumping ground for the lawless. The residents will have to face battle-ready, jumpy riot squad officers, who would not be able to differentiate between a resident from a protester. Why Pill again, why not Tredegar Park, Coronation Park, or better still, Caerleon sports fields all of which are away from housing and would cause less chaos on the roads when they travel to their objective. Or, if they must have a built up area, why not Caerleon Common? I believe this is all part of a containment policy of putting all the trouble and problems down Pill (kettling?) and leave the law abiding residents of Pill to live in disorder. I would say the ghettoisation of Pillgwenlly is nearly complete. It is glaringly obvious how Newport City Council, Newport City Homes, and the Police continually show their contempt for Pillgwenlly's law abiding residents. I do not object to these peace protesters, who must have strong social consciences and are willing to get off there backsides and peacefully demonstrate, but Pill could do without this added chaos. If any of the organisers of this “Peace Camp” are from Newport, why did they choose Pill? Weren't there any fields in their back yard?[/p][/quote]Houses in the area have had their doors knocked on and leaflets given out/posted through letter boxes by some of the peace campaigners. Also, the Peace Camp working group has been informed that there will be Police Liaison officers in the area but no riot squad officers. If you are a resident and have any worries, why not message the NoNatoNewport facebook page. I'm sure they would be more than happy to send people along to talk to you on a face-to-face basis to try and put your mind at rest. Like you said, these are people with strong social consciences and I'm sure that the last thing they would want to do is cause trouble for the people of Pill.[/p][/quote]Artsfan wrote: "Houses in the area have had their doors knocked on and leaflets given out/posted through letter boxes by some of the peace campaigners. Also, the Peace Camp working group has been informed that there will be Police Liaison officers in the area but no riot squad officers. If you are a resident and have any worries, why not message the NoNatoNewport facebook page. I'm sure they would be more than happy to send people along to talk to you on a face-to-face basis to try and put your mind at rest. Like you said, these are people with strong social consciences and I'm sure that the last thing they would want to do is cause trouble for the people of Pill." I live in the area and have received no leaflets, nor has anybody knocked my door. Even our local Councillors knew nothing about this until last Thursday. NoNatoNewport has already caused trouble for pillgwenlly. They are going to take over our sports fields and children's play area during the summer holiday. There is always trouble at these anti Nato demonstrations, whether intentional, or not. How can you guarantee that this camp will be any different. Your tone regarding local businesses profiting from these demonstrators sounded very patronising. Unfortunately, Lidls profits(the nearest shop) will probably go directly to it's German owner. There are more important things than some theoretical small profit going into a small corner shop owners pocket. Pam Glover
  • Score: 12

3:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

mary popins says...

If they want to protest fine but let them stay nearer to Celtic manor.
There's enough problems in pill as it is with drugs & stabbing ect, surely this will make more people upset & cause rows which in turn will make more trouble.
Nobody I know in the area has this been asked an opinion on this. I know some people from this area have been trying to get some funds to make the park & said fields a nicer place for all to use but this wont help the cause one bit! Every time you see anything about protests there is always trouble& clashes with rivals and a sure certainty there will be a mess left behind!
If they want to protest fine but let them stay nearer to Celtic manor. There's enough problems in pill as it is with drugs & stabbing ect, surely this will make more people upset & cause rows which in turn will make more trouble. Nobody I know in the area has this been asked an opinion on this. I know some people from this area have been trying to get some funds to make the park & said fields a nicer place for all to use but this wont help the cause one bit! Every time you see anything about protests there is always trouble& clashes with rivals and a sure certainty there will be a mess left behind! mary popins
  • Score: 10

4:00pm Sat 9 Aug 14

davidcp says...

Re NATO arming the terrorists. Aren't they mainly fans and users of AK47s, made by Kalashnikov?
Re NATO arming the terrorists. Aren't they mainly fans and users of AK47s, made by Kalashnikov? davidcp
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Sat 9 Aug 14

mrBEEF says...

Why chose a residential area ?, a number of local business has already decided to close during this period regardless if the supporters think it will help the area. There's plenty of alternative options that are out the way, Tredegar, Hartridge grounds, the Glebes or stuff them up Allt Yr Yn where this Green Peace women lives. Forcing yourself somewhere that you're unwanted onto grounds that are privately rented is rather oppressive.
Why chose a residential area ?, a number of local business has already decided to close during this period regardless if the supporters think it will help the area. There's plenty of alternative options that are out the way, Tredegar, Hartridge grounds, the Glebes or stuff them up Allt Yr Yn where this Green Peace women lives. Forcing yourself somewhere that you're unwanted onto grounds that are privately rented is rather oppressive. mrBEEF
  • Score: 11

5:46pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Independentvoter says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
I think the only legal way by which the majority of people in Newport could challenge the NATO summit would be for all the workers to organise a mass strike for the two days that it takes place.
Why would the majority of Newport challenge the NATO summit its only a few posters in the Argus - get a life Katie not all of us agree with what you say
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: I think the only legal way by which the majority of people in Newport could challenge the NATO summit would be for all the workers to organise a mass strike for the two days that it takes place.[/p][/quote]Why would the majority of Newport challenge the NATO summit its only a few posters in the Argus - get a life Katie not all of us agree with what you say Independentvoter
  • Score: 1

5:57pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

artsfan wrote:
KarloMarko wrote:
Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.
And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.
Yep. Mohammedans would have been peace-loving quiet folk, were it not for the wickedness of NATO. What an incredibly persuasive point of view.
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KarloMarko[/bold] wrote: Remind me again just who did all the "groundwork" for ISIS and their ilk to form and prosper in countries that had no prior tradition? Iraq, Syria, Libya? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was, wait for it, NATO.[/p][/quote]And where did they get most of their arms from? Oh yeah, now I remember, it was NATO countries.[/p][/quote]Yep. Mohammedans would have been peace-loving quiet folk, were it not for the wickedness of NATO. What an incredibly persuasive point of view. Dai Rear
  • Score: 5

6:56pm Sat 9 Aug 14

KarloMarko says...

Still painting your room black. What a constipated little life you truly lead.
Still painting your room black. What a constipated little life you truly lead. KarloMarko
  • Score: -6

1:48pm Sun 10 Aug 14

pigbag says...

Dai Rear wrote:
pigbag wrote:
b3talover wrote:
Oh the irony!
Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other.
How very dare they.
I'm guessing that people in eastern Ukraine would be quite happy not to be invaded by the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that if they showed the Red Army a bit of peace, love, respect and help it'd go away? Why doesn't the great unwashed go there and show 'em how it's done instead of Pill? The poor Ukrainians could do with a laugh.
Why go to the Ukraine when all the big decisions are gonna be made in newport?
Google 'Hunter Biden oil ukraine'
Next;
google minute ukrainian oil fields'
Next;
add 2&2
Next;
Open your eyes just a little wider.
Next;
Realise what every modern war is ultimately about
Next;
Appreciate why 'the great unwashed' might want to protest the corporate warmongers who care nothing for me and you.
[quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pigbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: Oh the irony![/p][/quote]Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other. How very dare they.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that people in eastern Ukraine would be quite happy not to be invaded by the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that if they showed the Red Army a bit of peace, love, respect and help it'd go away? Why doesn't the great unwashed go there and show 'em how it's done instead of Pill? The poor Ukrainians could do with a laugh.[/p][/quote]Why go to the Ukraine when all the big decisions are gonna be made in newport? Google 'Hunter Biden oil ukraine' Next; google minute ukrainian oil fields' Next; add 2&2 Next; Open your eyes just a little wider. Next; Realise what every modern war is ultimately about Next; Appreciate why 'the great unwashed' might want to protest the corporate warmongers who care nothing for me and you. pigbag
  • Score: 0

3:00pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

pigbag wrote:
Dai Rear wrote:
pigbag wrote:
b3talover wrote:
Oh the irony!
Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other.
How very dare they.
I'm guessing that people in eastern Ukraine would be quite happy not to be invaded by the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that if they showed the Red Army a bit of peace, love, respect and help it'd go away? Why doesn't the great unwashed go there and show 'em how it's done instead of Pill? The poor Ukrainians could do with a laugh.
Why go to the Ukraine when all the big decisions are gonna be made in newport?
Google 'Hunter Biden oil ukraine'
Next;
google minute ukrainian oil fields'
Next;
add 2&2
Next;
Open your eyes just a little wider.
Next;
Realise what every modern war is ultimately about
Next;
Appreciate why 'the great unwashed' might want to protest the corporate warmongers who care nothing for me and you.
Thank you Mr Zimmerman. (polite clapping) Oh, wasn't 63 just the greatest year!
But I'm sure Bob Dylan didn't invent the conspiracy theories your lot love so much. They are a human need.
So yes, we Germans lost the War because of Jews , Freemasons and War Profiteers.
Next.
[quote][p][bold]pigbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dai Rear[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pigbag[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]b3talover[/bold] wrote: Oh the irony![/p][/quote]Yep yep,whilst the masters of war make there plans,a few thousand lowly people will be there to represent what the vast majority of earths 6billion people want; to live in peace,and to love,and to respect,and to help each other. How very dare they.[/p][/quote]I'm guessing that people in eastern Ukraine would be quite happy not to be invaded by the Soviet Union. Do you suppose that if they showed the Red Army a bit of peace, love, respect and help it'd go away? Why doesn't the great unwashed go there and show 'em how it's done instead of Pill? The poor Ukrainians could do with a laugh.[/p][/quote]Why go to the Ukraine when all the big decisions are gonna be made in newport? Google 'Hunter Biden oil ukraine' Next; google minute ukrainian oil fields' Next; add 2&2 Next; Open your eyes just a little wider. Next; Realise what every modern war is ultimately about Next; Appreciate why 'the great unwashed' might want to protest the corporate warmongers who care nothing for me and you.[/p][/quote]Thank you Mr Zimmerman. (polite clapping) Oh, wasn't 63 just the greatest year! But I'm sure Bob Dylan didn't invent the conspiracy theories your lot love so much. They are a human need. So yes, we Germans lost the War because of Jews , Freemasons and War Profiteers. Next. Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Sun 10 Aug 14

pigbag says...

Mr Zimmerman,lol,what bob dylan did in the sixties went along way to creating the whole anti-war movement that still exists to this day.
It maybe futile,but I'd rather live my life sticking up two fingers to the man and protesting for peace than taking your road.which can only end in world war 3.

The Times they are a changing..
Mr Zimmerman,lol,what bob dylan did in the sixties went along way to creating the whole anti-war movement that still exists to this day. It maybe futile,but I'd rather live my life sticking up two fingers to the man and protesting for peace than taking your road.which can only end in world war 3. The Times they are a changing.. pigbag
  • Score: -3

9:25pm Sun 10 Aug 14

DGee123 says...

artsfan wrote:
DGee123 wrote:
Hope the protesters have the sense to ralise that vandalism and graffiti in places the elite will never go anywhere near would be horrifically disrespectful to the ordinary people of Newport.
The peace campaigners have decided on a central location, not to vandalise and graffiti (we have enough of that in Newport already) or to disrespect the people of Newport. Remember the Ryder Cup, where the people and businesses of Newport did not benefit at all? Now we have the NATO summit, which would be exactly the same, bar tighter security, if it were not for the peace campaigners. One of the main reasons they are going to be camping in Pill as opposed to out in the sticks is so that they can make a difference to local businesses, and put on events that can benefit the wider community.
I've seen tatty protest stickers and anti-Nato graffiti around the place already - that's why I'm bringing it up. I hope you're right, and people will behave appropriately, but I'm not going to bet on it.
[quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DGee123[/bold] wrote: Hope the protesters have the sense to ralise that vandalism and graffiti in places the elite will never go anywhere near would be horrifically disrespectful to the ordinary people of Newport.[/p][/quote]The peace campaigners have decided on a central location, not to vandalise and graffiti (we have enough of that in Newport already) or to disrespect the people of Newport. Remember the Ryder Cup, where the people and businesses of Newport did not benefit at all? Now we have the NATO summit, which would be exactly the same, bar tighter security, if it were not for the peace campaigners. One of the main reasons they are going to be camping in Pill as opposed to out in the sticks is so that they can make a difference to local businesses, and put on events that can benefit the wider community.[/p][/quote]I've seen tatty protest stickers and anti-Nato graffiti around the place already - that's why I'm bringing it up. I hope you're right, and people will behave appropriately, but I'm not going to bet on it. DGee123
  • Score: 3

8:45am Mon 11 Aug 14

disgruntled taxpayer says...

seeing as the Nato Summit is being held in the " VALE OF USK " and not NEWPORT , may i suggest a Suitable site should be found for the " PEACE CAMP " in the " VALE OF USK " as well . if Mr Matthews wants the prestige of having the nato summit at his leisure resort , who are we to deny him the right of having the peace camp as well .
seeing as the Nato Summit is being held in the " VALE OF USK " and not NEWPORT , may i suggest a Suitable site should be found for the " PEACE CAMP " in the " VALE OF USK " as well . if Mr Matthews wants the prestige of having the nato summit at his leisure resort , who are we to deny him the right of having the peace camp as well . disgruntled taxpayer
  • Score: 5

9:19am Mon 11 Aug 14

sallyw says...

"he peace campaigners have decided on a central location, not to vandalise and graffiti (we have enough of that in Newport already) or to disrespect the people of Newport. Remember the Ryder Cup, where the people and businesses of Newport did not benefit at all? Now we have the NATO summit, which would be exactly the same, bar tighter security, if it were not for the peace campaigners. One of the main reasons they are going to be camping in Pill as opposed to out in the sticks is so that they can make a difference to local businesses, and put on events that can benefit the wider community."
Who are they to decide without having the manners to come to Pill beforehand, have a proper meeting with people and asking, not bullying - which is basically how it looks. On the No NATO Newport Facebook page there was a request for " any outdoor catering equipment such as cookers/burners, large boiling pots, gas bottles/hoses etc, that can be borrowed for the peace camp, please contact us. We also need huge supplies of cutlery/crockery/mug
s. Basically, anything and everything!! Also, if anyone has a cash and carry card and can take me on a trip to a cash and carry in order to get dry goods supplies in bulk I'd be grateful. Oh yes, marquees too most welcome! Will post more stuff from our wish list up in the next couple of weeks." How can going to a cash and carry be seen as benefitting Pill? Someone has responded with an offer of the use of a Makro card - hardly going to help the local economy buying from a huge multinational company is it?
"he peace campaigners have decided on a central location, not to vandalise and graffiti (we have enough of that in Newport already) or to disrespect the people of Newport. Remember the Ryder Cup, where the people and businesses of Newport did not benefit at all? Now we have the NATO summit, which would be exactly the same, bar tighter security, if it were not for the peace campaigners. One of the main reasons they are going to be camping in Pill as opposed to out in the sticks is so that they can make a difference to local businesses, and put on events that can benefit the wider community." Who are they to decide without having the manners to come to Pill beforehand, have a proper meeting with people and asking, not bullying - which is basically how it looks. On the No NATO Newport Facebook page there was a request for " any outdoor catering equipment such as cookers/burners, large boiling pots, gas bottles/hoses etc, that can be borrowed for the peace camp, please contact us. We also need huge supplies of cutlery/crockery/mug s. Basically, anything and everything!! Also, if anyone has a cash and carry card and can take me on a trip to a cash and carry in order to get dry goods supplies in bulk I'd be grateful. Oh yes, marquees too most welcome! Will post more stuff from our wish list up in the next couple of weeks." How can going to a cash and carry be seen as benefitting Pill? Someone has responded with an offer of the use of a Makro card - hardly going to help the local economy buying from a huge multinational company is it? sallyw
  • Score: 4

9:24am Mon 11 Aug 14

john.hall1000 says...

How long ago did the council know that NATO was coming to Newport, and why do the council always leave everything to the last minute to let people know, ie where the peace camp is going. Like the phrase keep mushrooms in the dark and feed them s+÷t.
How long ago did the council know that NATO was coming to Newport, and why do the council always leave everything to the last minute to let people know, ie where the peace camp is going. Like the phrase keep mushrooms in the dark and feed them s+÷t. john.hall1000
  • Score: 2

9:59am Mon 11 Aug 14

Llanmartinangel says...

disgruntled taxpayer wrote:
seeing as the Nato Summit is being held in the " VALE OF USK " and not NEWPORT , may i suggest a Suitable site should be found for the " PEACE CAMP " in the " VALE OF USK " as well . if Mr Matthews wants the prestige of having the nato summit at his leisure resort , who are we to deny him the right of having the peace camp as well .
Why do people like you make things up? The text below is a cut-and-paste from the Celtic Manor website. The question is CAN YOU READ? Can you see the word 'NEWPORT"?
The Celtic Manor Resort
Coldra Woods
The Usk Valley
Newport
South Wales
NP18 1HQ
United Kingdom
[quote][p][bold]disgruntled taxpayer[/bold] wrote: seeing as the Nato Summit is being held in the " VALE OF USK " and not NEWPORT , may i suggest a Suitable site should be found for the " PEACE CAMP " in the " VALE OF USK " as well . if Mr Matthews wants the prestige of having the nato summit at his leisure resort , who are we to deny him the right of having the peace camp as well .[/p][/quote]Why do people like you make things up? The text below is a cut-and-paste from the Celtic Manor website. The question is CAN YOU READ? Can you see the word 'NEWPORT"? The Celtic Manor Resort Coldra Woods The Usk Valley Newport South Wales NP18 1HQ United Kingdom Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

10:21am Mon 11 Aug 14

cjwales1 says...

It seems the peace camp might be under populated after a police raid in Underwood ;-)
It seems the peace camp might be under populated after a police raid in Underwood ;-) cjwales1
  • Score: 6

4:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

pigbag wrote:
Mr Zimmerman,lol,what bob dylan did in the sixties went along way to creating the whole anti-war movement that still exists to this day.
It maybe futile,but I'd rather live my life sticking up two fingers to the man and protesting for peace than taking your road.which can only end in world war 3.

The Times they are a changing..
Well you're very welcome to sticking your fingers. Far be it from me to suggest you keep your fingers out of sight when your wish is fulfilled and all the guys with Kalashnikovs and RPG's and old pyjams on their heads are parading through Casnewydd - instead of "the man"
[quote][p][bold]pigbag[/bold] wrote: Mr Zimmerman,lol,what bob dylan did in the sixties went along way to creating the whole anti-war movement that still exists to this day. It maybe futile,but I'd rather live my life sticking up two fingers to the man and protesting for peace than taking your road.which can only end in world war 3. The Times they are a changing..[/p][/quote]Well you're very welcome to sticking your fingers. Far be it from me to suggest you keep your fingers out of sight when your wish is fulfilled and all the guys with Kalashnikovs and RPG's and old pyjams on their heads are parading through Casnewydd - instead of "the man" Dai Rear
  • Score: 4

12:48pm Tue 12 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
artsfan wrote:
welshmen wrote:
These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....
Unlike the NATO warmongers, these peace campaigners will be spending money in local shops. They are coming from all over Europe and the rest of the UK. They should be welcomed and perhaps word will get around that Wales is a good place to visit, which could have long term benefits for our tourist industry.

Look back at the Argus from 3 days ago : "Opponents have predicted the security operation will cost in the region of £50million, little of which they say will directly benefit local businesses.

Last month the minister for Europe David Lidington said the UK government had reserved more than 24,000 room nights in 80 hotels in Newport, Cardiff and Bristol. "

And you're complaining about the cost of a drop of water and a couple of portaloos for the week? Unbelievable....
Just, take yourself, your protest, their money and Foxtrot Oscar out of our City....
Hmmm.
Welshmen and his lynch mob (with no-brain Dai R as his chief bottom wiper) on the streets again.
If it offends his peculiar and bigotted views, then he's for hanging it. They must be commies, greens, immigrants, or worst of all liberals if they don't share his offensive opinions.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artsfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: These people going to pay for this, or are we the C/tax payers, pity this useless not fit for purpose City Council can't afford to repair the Tredegar park paddling pool for our Kids what's left of their summer....[/p][/quote]Unlike the NATO warmongers, these peace campaigners will be spending money in local shops. They are coming from all over Europe and the rest of the UK. They should be welcomed and perhaps word will get around that Wales is a good place to visit, which could have long term benefits for our tourist industry. Look back at the Argus from 3 days ago : "Opponents have predicted the security operation will cost in the region of £50million, little of which they say will directly benefit local businesses. Last month the minister for Europe David Lidington said the UK government had reserved more than 24,000 room nights in 80 hotels in Newport, Cardiff and Bristol. " And you're complaining about the cost of a drop of water and a couple of portaloos for the week? Unbelievable....[/p][/quote]Just, take yourself, your protest, their money and Foxtrot Oscar out of our City....[/p][/quote]Hmmm. Welshmen and his lynch mob (with no-brain Dai R as his chief bottom wiper) on the streets again. If it offends his peculiar and bigotted views, then he's for hanging it. They must be commies, greens, immigrants, or worst of all liberals if they don't share his offensive opinions. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -2

1:00pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

jimmytheone2 you must be better on bog doors. You could be the public convenience Banksy if you'd leave your bedsit and purchase some touch up paint.
jimmytheone2 you must be better on bog doors. You could be the public convenience Banksy if you'd leave your bedsit and purchase some touch up paint. Dai Rear
  • Score: 0

1:52pm Tue 12 Aug 14

welshmen says...

jimmyyellowbellytheo
ne2:
Hmmm.
"Welshmen and his lynch mob (with no-brain Dai R as his chief bottom wiper) on the streets again.
If it offends his peculiar and bigotted views, then he's for hanging it. They must be commies, greens, immigrants, or worst of all liberals if they don't share his offensive opinions."....Hahaha
, give the white coats the slip again yellowbelly, or are you on the steroids again, giving you the courage to gob off...

Come on down to Pill, come and meet the residents of Pill, come and tell them why they should not find this offensive and put up with an uninvited demonstration of soap dodgers, or are you just jimmytheonecoward2..
..
jimmyyellowbellytheo ne2: Hmmm. "Welshmen and his lynch mob (with no-brain Dai R as his chief bottom wiper) on the streets again. If it offends his peculiar and bigotted views, then he's for hanging it. They must be commies, greens, immigrants, or worst of all liberals if they don't share his offensive opinions."....Hahaha , give the white coats the slip again yellowbelly, or are you on the steroids again, giving you the courage to gob off... Come on down to Pill, come and meet the residents of Pill, come and tell them why they should not find this offensive and put up with an uninvited demonstration of soap dodgers, or are you just jimmytheonecoward2.. .. welshmen
  • Score: 2

4:21pm Tue 12 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
jimmyyellowbellytheo

ne2:
Hmmm.
"Welshmen and his lynch mob (with no-brain Dai R as his chief bottom wiper) on the streets again.
If it offends his peculiar and bigotted views, then he's for hanging it. They must be commies, greens, immigrants, or worst of all liberals if they don't share his offensive opinions."....Hahaha

, give the white coats the slip again yellowbelly, or are you on the steroids again, giving you the courage to gob off...

Come on down to Pill, come and meet the residents of Pill, come and tell them why they should not find this offensive and put up with an uninvited demonstration of soap dodgers, or are you just jimmytheonecoward2..

..
I think the residents of Pill find you a lot more offensive.
If you went to Pill and spouted your racist rubbish, I think someone would pretty quickly do the rest of us a favour.
So why don't you do that?
All this cr*p acting like you're the saviour of Pill. Pull the other one.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: jimmyyellowbellytheo ne2: Hmmm. "Welshmen and his lynch mob (with no-brain Dai R as his chief bottom wiper) on the streets again. If it offends his peculiar and bigotted views, then he's for hanging it. They must be commies, greens, immigrants, or worst of all liberals if they don't share his offensive opinions."....Hahaha , give the white coats the slip again yellowbelly, or are you on the steroids again, giving you the courage to gob off... Come on down to Pill, come and meet the residents of Pill, come and tell them why they should not find this offensive and put up with an uninvited demonstration of soap dodgers, or are you just jimmytheonecoward2.. ..[/p][/quote]I think the residents of Pill find you a lot more offensive. If you went to Pill and spouted your racist rubbish, I think someone would pretty quickly do the rest of us a favour. So why don't you do that? All this cr*p acting like you're the saviour of Pill. Pull the other one. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -1

4:35pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

"rac-ist", "bigoted", oh and don't forget homophob-something or other. Why are all you socialists so monotonous? Can't you think of original abuse? You're jimmytheonenote
"rac-ist", "bigoted", oh and don't forget homophob-something or other. Why are all you socialists so monotonous? Can't you think of original abuse? You're jimmytheonenote Dai Rear
  • Score: -2

4:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

welshmen says...

The people of Pill have spoken and the protest is not going to happen in Pill, that's Democracy working, not liked by the Liberal Elite's on here, and the dickwad jimmyyellowbelly2
The people of Pill have spoken and the protest is not going to happen in Pill, that's Democracy working, not liked by the Liberal Elite's on here, and the dickwad jimmyyellowbelly2 welshmen
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5:49pm Wed 13 Aug 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
The people of Pill have spoken and the protest is not going to happen in Pill, that's Democracy working, not liked by the Liberal Elite's on here, and the dickwad jimmyyellowbelly2
That's great news Welshmen. The people of Pill will be grateful to you. Well done, I am pleased.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: The people of Pill have spoken and the protest is not going to happen in Pill, that's Democracy working, not liked by the Liberal Elite's on here, and the dickwad jimmyyellowbelly2[/p][/quote]That's great news Welshmen. The people of Pill will be grateful to you. Well done, I am pleased. jimmytheone2
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6:01pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

My experience has been people will protest anyway, and far better they are allocated an area to do what they do, as they have a right to protest anyway. It IS what we fight wars FOR, a shame Pill residents at this particular time, where we recognize a war to end all wars where millions died just so peaceful protest could take place, now are NIMBY's about it. Its a worry no-one supports free speech any more unless it is excersized ....... somewhere else.
My experience has been people will protest anyway, and far better they are allocated an area to do what they do, as they have a right to protest anyway. It IS what we fight wars FOR, a shame Pill residents at this particular time, where we recognize a war to end all wars where millions died just so peaceful protest could take place, now are NIMBY's about it. Its a worry no-one supports free speech any more unless it is excersized ....... somewhere else. Mervyn James
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7:38pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
My experience has been people will protest anyway, and far better they are allocated an area to do what they do, as they have a right to protest anyway. It IS what we fight wars FOR, a shame Pill residents at this particular time, where we recognize a war to end all wars where millions died just so peaceful protest could take place, now are NIMBY's about it. Its a worry no-one supports free speech any more unless it is excersized ....... somewhere else.
Sadly, the "free speech" is always that of the dreary gobby old lefties. Funnily enough, if someone they don't like, EDF for example (an unsavoury bunch) wants to exercise it, the gobbies gob off and thrash about at about 40 times the volume.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: My experience has been people will protest anyway, and far better they are allocated an area to do what they do, as they have a right to protest anyway. It IS what we fight wars FOR, a shame Pill residents at this particular time, where we recognize a war to end all wars where millions died just so peaceful protest could take place, now are NIMBY's about it. Its a worry no-one supports free speech any more unless it is excersized ....... somewhere else.[/p][/quote]Sadly, the "free speech" is always that of the dreary gobby old lefties. Funnily enough, if someone they don't like, EDF for example (an unsavoury bunch) wants to exercise it, the gobbies gob off and thrash about at about 40 times the volume. Dai Rear
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8:30am Thu 14 Aug 14

Mervyn James says...

Left or right wing, we criticize both, but at least we recognise their right of free speech. I don't find the right wing element shy of putting forward how they feel ! In essence free speech is dead anyway, so many equality and human rights laws gag so many people as to drive racists and others underground where it festers, better out than in. The fault is holding a NATO meeting here when so many people are against what is going on, they could not have picked a worse time,or, a less welcome place. Argus survey shows near all of us don't want Obama or any of the other clowns here...
Left or right wing, we criticize both, but at least we recognise their right of free speech. I don't find the right wing element shy of putting forward how they feel ! In essence free speech is dead anyway, so many equality and human rights laws gag so many people as to drive racists and others underground where it festers, better out than in. The fault is holding a NATO meeting here when so many people are against what is going on, they could not have picked a worse time,or, a less welcome place. Argus survey shows near all of us don't want Obama or any of the other clowns here... Mervyn James
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8:36am Thu 14 Aug 14

Dai Rear says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Left or right wing, we criticize both, but at least we recognise their right of free speech. I don't find the right wing element shy of putting forward how they feel ! In essence free speech is dead anyway, so many equality and human rights laws gag so many people as to drive racists and others underground where it festers, better out than in. The fault is holding a NATO meeting here when so many people are against what is going on, they could not have picked a worse time,or, a less welcome place. Argus survey shows near all of us don't want Obama or any of the other clowns here...
But don't you think that in the long run that'll mean most things will be held in other countries as we reinforce our stereotype as primitive savages? Frankly there's so much skin graffiti on show in the hot weather amongst the younger cohort that we are already beginning to look like our reputation.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Left or right wing, we criticize both, but at least we recognise their right of free speech. I don't find the right wing element shy of putting forward how they feel ! In essence free speech is dead anyway, so many equality and human rights laws gag so many people as to drive racists and others underground where it festers, better out than in. The fault is holding a NATO meeting here when so many people are against what is going on, they could not have picked a worse time,or, a less welcome place. Argus survey shows near all of us don't want Obama or any of the other clowns here...[/p][/quote]But don't you think that in the long run that'll mean most things will be held in other countries as we reinforce our stereotype as primitive savages? Frankly there's so much skin graffiti on show in the hot weather amongst the younger cohort that we are already beginning to look like our reputation. Dai Rear
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