How to help homes crisis (From South Wales Argus)

Dolieboy says...
4:33pm Tue 8 Jan 13

A major problem is the amount of non working single mothers who take up any available flats. Government pays their rent for the privilege. Likewise the long term unemployed, who just suck all they can from society. Found on all the estates in Newport unfortunately.

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jezzonimo says...
10:01pm Tue 8 Jan 13

We need someone like you Katie to wake up the somnolent LibDems.

Well done Katie Redmond.

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james jackson says...
3:42pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Is anyone else utterly fed up with the Tory and Labour mantra "hard-working" families?
What about non-families? Single men and women?
Elderly people?
If only Britain could be made up of hard working families, all our troubles would cease. They'd be at the grindstone all day and come home to an evening meal provided by a hard-working wife. The kids would come home and be hard-working with their homework and all those people on benefits - ,mainly the working poor, well they aren't hard working at all. They're much too busy lounging around in Monte Carlo, playing the casinos before sipping cocktails and wondering how to make their next million.
Get off the backs of the poor and leave the welfare state alone.

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Llanmartinangel says...
10:45pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Agreed the sound-bite is tedious but with welfare now consuming 30% of government spending the message has to be understood somehow. Frightening statistic: in the UK as a whole 60% of people take more out of the system than they put in. In Wales it's much higher. It isn't sustainable as desirable as you might feel it is.

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jezzonimo says...
11:30pm Wed 9 Jan 13

Yes Llanmartinangel you are so right.
We simply can no longer afford these welfare handouts. £1 in £3 goes on benefits or welfare.

The people who are taking it will have to make do and mend however unpalatable it may seem. Stop smoking stop drinking and stick with the basics and that doesn't include hamburgers and fries. It means eating normally and at a reasonable cost.
The country simply cannot afford you any more.

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james jackson says...
11:44am Thu 10 Jan 13

The country can also not afford to keep the bankers and their hangers-on; government agencies; too many MPs: a bloated military (UK fourth biggest spender), the list goes on.
Unfortunately you are falling for the hate-writings of the red top press and the Daily Mail and Telegraph.
It suits all of their purposes to pit working class people against working class people, public against private and so on.
MOST benefits are paid to people who work. Ask the employers to act in a civilised manner and pay them a living wage.
Of course there are people who work the system, but let's not think it exists only among the "hamburger/chip eating" "lower" orders.
I think your denigration of poor people is quite shocking.
Are we to let people starve? Does this include children and the elderly? The disabled?
It is not ordinary people who have caused the present crisis, but oh, boy what a wonderful opportunity it is for this government, and the last one too, to hammer those at the bottom of the pile.
Attacking the poor is as easy as attacking dissident groups in Germany and Russia not so long ago. It is the first step towards dictatorship and we're taking it now.
The welfare state came into being because Beveridge saw the need to tackle poverty, ill-health, under-employment, ignorance etc. The 1945 government brought it in and it has had a broad consensus of support from then until now, despite Thatcher's best attempts to destroy it.
Unfortunately, there are now people who have no concept of care for the less fortunate. Their mantra is: "If I can do it alone, so can everyone else."
Well, everyone else can't, I'm afraid, which is why the welfare state is one of the best things that Britain has ever done.
We all need state help at some point in our lives - that's the reason it was introdcued. "Cradle to grave."
A reminder: Welfare fraud is in the region of £2 billion. Compare this with the £20 billion-plus in tax fraud.
Why aren't you people attacking Starbucks and the other shysters who fail to pay UK taxes (legally, it would seem!) It's a travesty.
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The country can also not afford to keep the bankers and their hangers-on; government agencies; too many MPs: a bloated military (UK fourth biggest spender), the list goes on. Unfortunately you are falling for the hate-writings of the red top press and the Daily Mail and Telegraph. It suits all of their purposes to pit working class people against working class people, public against private and so on. MOST benefits are paid to people who work. Ask the employers to act in a civilised manner and pay them a living wage. Of course there are people who work the system, but let's not think it exists only among the "hamburger/chip eating" "lower" orders. I think your denigration of poor people is quite shocking. Are we to let people starve? Does this include children and the elderly? The disabled? It is not ordinary people who have caused the present crisis, but oh, boy what a wonderful opportunity it is for this government, and the last one too, to hammer those at the bottom of the pile. Attacking the poor is as easy as attacking dissident groups in Germany and Russia not so long ago. It is the first step towards dictatorship and we're taking it now. The welfare state came into being because Beveridge saw the need to tackle poverty, ill-health, under-employment, ignorance etc. The 1945 government brought it in and it has had a broad consensus of support from then until now, despite Thatcher's best attempts to destroy it. Unfortunately, there are now people who have no concept of care for the less fortunate. Their mantra is: "If I can do it alone, so can everyone else." Well, everyone else can't, I'm afraid, which is why the welfare state is one of the best things that Britain has ever done. We all need state help at some point in our lives - that's the reason it was introdcued. "Cradle to grave." A reminder: Welfare fraud is in the region of £2 billion. Compare this with the £20 billion-plus in tax fraud. Why aren't you people attacking Starbucks and the other shysters who fail to pay UK taxes (legally, it would seem!) It's a travesty. . james jackson

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Llanmartinangel says...
7:14pm Thu 10 Jan 13

james jackson wrote:
The country can also not afford to keep the bankers and their hangers-on; government agencies; too many MPs: a bloated military (UK fourth biggest spender), the list goes on.
Unfortunately you are falling for the hate-writings of the red top press and the Daily Mail and Telegraph.
It suits all of their purposes to pit working class people against working class people, public against private and so on.
MOST benefits are paid to people who work. Ask the employers to act in a civilised manner and pay them a living wage.
Of course there are people who work the system, but let's not think it exists only among the "hamburger/chip eating" "lower" orders.
I think your denigration of poor people is quite shocking.
Are we to let people starve? Does this include children and the elderly? The disabled?
It is not ordinary people who have caused the present crisis, but oh, boy what a wonderful opportunity it is for this government, and the last one too, to hammer those at the bottom of the pile.
Attacking the poor is as easy as attacking dissident groups in Germany and Russia not so long ago. It is the first step towards dictatorship and we're taking it now.
The welfare state came into being because Beveridge saw the need to tackle poverty, ill-health, under-employment, ignorance etc. The 1945 government brought it in and it has had a broad consensus of support from then until now, despite Thatcher's best attempts to destroy it.
Unfortunately, there are now people who have no concept of care for the less fortunate. Their mantra is: "If I can do it alone, so can everyone else."
Well, everyone else can't, I'm afraid, which is why the welfare state is one of the best things that Britain has ever done.
We all need state help at some point in our lives - that's the reason it was introdcued. "Cradle to grave."
A reminder: Welfare fraud is in the region of £2 billion. Compare this with the £20 billion-plus in tax fraud.
Why aren't you people attacking Starbucks and the other shysters who fail to pay UK taxes (legally, it would seem!) It's a travesty.
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The first part of that paragraph I almost entirely agree with (although the 'banking' thing is getting tiresome given that when the City was bankrolling Blair/Brown no-one complained). I've not seen anyone preaching hate for the old, sick or disabled either. The working age benefit bill is £201 Billion. However much more you could screw out of the 40% of the population who are net contributors, you can never sustain real-terms increases in that bill, it's just way too big. Similarly, you can only spend money once so if you give it to hardcore unemployed, you can't give it to the NHS. And before you lecture me on 'there are no jobs', well nearly 2 Million EU immigrants have found work here in recent years so hey, there were jobs after all. Apparently, Spaniards are the latest to find work here. Pensions and disability benefits (where they are genuine) should be ring-fenced but hard choices will need to be made with the rest, including increasing the minimum wage so that the taxpayer isn't funding unscrupulous employers.

[quote][p][bold]james jackson[/bold] wrote: The country can also not afford to keep the bankers and their hangers-on; government agencies; too many MPs: a bloated military (UK fourth biggest spender), the list goes on. Unfortunately you are falling for the hate-writings of the red top press and the Daily Mail and Telegraph. It suits all of their purposes to pit working class people against working class people, public against private and so on. MOST benefits are paid to people who work. Ask the employers to act in a civilised manner and pay them a living wage. Of course there are people who work the system, but let's not think it exists only among the "hamburger/chip eating" "lower" orders. I think your denigration of poor people is quite shocking. Are we to let people starve? Does this include children and the elderly? The disabled? It is not ordinary people who have caused the present crisis, but oh, boy what a wonderful opportunity it is for this government, and the last one too, to hammer those at the bottom of the pile. Attacking the poor is as easy as attacking dissident groups in Germany and Russia not so long ago. It is the first step towards dictatorship and we're taking it now. The welfare state came into being because Beveridge saw the need to tackle poverty, ill-health, under-employment, ignorance etc. The 1945 government brought it in and it has had a broad consensus of support from then until now, despite Thatcher's best attempts to destroy it. Unfortunately, there are now people who have no concept of care for the less fortunate. Their mantra is: "If I can do it alone, so can everyone else." Well, everyone else can't, I'm afraid, which is why the welfare state is one of the best things that Britain has ever done. We all need state help at some point in our lives - that's the reason it was introdcued. "Cradle to grave." A reminder: Welfare fraud is in the region of £2 billion. Compare this with the £20 billion-plus in tax fraud. Why aren't you people attacking Starbucks and the other shysters who fail to pay UK taxes (legally, it would seem!) It's a travesty. .[/p][/quote]The first part of that paragraph I almost entirely agree with (although the 'banking' thing is getting tiresome given that when the City was bankrolling Blair/Brown no-one complained). I've not seen anyone preaching hate for the old, sick or disabled either. The working age benefit bill is £201 Billion. However much more you could screw out of the 40% of the population who are net contributors, you can never sustain real-terms increases in that bill, it's just way too big. Similarly, you can only spend money once so if you give it to hardcore unemployed, you can't give it to the NHS. And before you lecture me on 'there are no jobs', well nearly 2 Million EU immigrants have found work here in recent years so hey, there were jobs after all. Apparently, Spaniards are the latest to find work here. Pensions and disability benefits (where they are genuine) should be ring-fenced but hard choices will need to be made with the rest, including increasing the minimum wage so that the taxpayer isn't funding unscrupulous employers. Llanmartinangel

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jezzonimo says...
7:50pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Well James Jackson, I strongly suggest that you read this weep. Irresponsible sniping such as tho indulge yourself in is really quite disgraceful.
Uninformed opinion such as yours is damaing to everyone including people like you who don't understand that they don't understand.
Without financial services tax take you would never get the NHS, can you afford it - no you can't so get real.

Taxes paid by financial services companies were worth £53.4bn in the 12 months to March, according to a City of London report produced by PricewaterhouseCoope
rs.
While total tax revenues from the industry were down by £8bn on the previous year, the financial firms regained their position as the largest contributor to the Exchequer, comprising 11.2pc of the total UK tax take.

Read that again Sonny Jim and try to understand that which you currently so not.

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jezzonimo says...
7:50pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Well James Jackson, I strongly suggest that you read this weep. Irresponsible sniping such as tho indulge yourself in is really quite disgraceful.
Uninformed opinion such as yours is damaing to everyone including people like you who don't understand that they don't understand.
Without financial services tax take you would never get the NHS, can you afford it - no you can't so get real.

Taxes paid by financial services companies were worth £53.4bn in the 12 months to March, according to a City of London report produced by PricewaterhouseCoope
rs.
While total tax revenues from the industry were down by £8bn on the previous year, the financial firms regained their position as the largest contributor to the Exchequer, comprising 11.2pc of the total UK tax take.

Read that again Sonny Jim and try to understand that which you currently so not.

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jezzonimo says...
8:00pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Just for the record. Starbucks have done nothing, not one thing, wrong. James Jackson. They operated under the same regime as the socialists had for thirteen years. So if you now don't lie it why didn't you whine when Brown and Bliar were in control.
You wouldn't pay tax you didn't have to pay - oh no you wouldn't! Don't kid me.
But Starbucks re now voluntarily paying £20 million to the Treasury.
No one is making them do it.

You may complain and whinge about them only once you too have been to your local tax office and offered a cheque for money you don't owe.
You need to get real.

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jezzonimo says...
8:00pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Just for the record. Starbucks have done nothing, not one thing, wrong. James Jackson. They operated under the same regime as the socialists had for thirteen years. So if you now don't lie it why didn't you whine when Brown and Bliar were in control.
You wouldn't pay tax you didn't have to pay - oh no you wouldn't! Don't kid me.
But Starbucks re now voluntarily paying £20 million to the Treasury.
No one is making them do it.

You may complain and whinge about them only once you too have been to your local tax office and offered a cheque for money you don't owe.
You need to get real.

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jezzonimo says...
8:00pm Thu 10 Jan 13

Just for the record. Starbucks have done nothing, not one thing, wrong. James Jackson. They operated under the same regime as the socialists had for thirteen years. So if you now don't lie it why didn't you whine when Brown and Bliar were in control.
You wouldn't pay tax you didn't have to pay - oh no you wouldn't! Don't kid me.
But Starbucks re now voluntarily paying £20 million to the Treasury.
No one is making them do it.

You may complain and whinge about them only once you too have been to your local tax office and offered a cheque for money you don't owe.
You need to get real.

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james jackson says...
9:57am Fri 11 Jan 13

I'm very much real and can refute all your figures. I'm not going to, however, because it would be a waste of time.
Presumably you pay upfront for all your health needs and think Starbucks et al are the latest philanthropists. Nice of them to pay what they owe.
As for foreign workers - they are generally young and single and make few demands on our social services - health etc. They are paid a pittance and very often live in deplorable conditions. (See supermarket workers in Magor)
They're happy to do that for a few years.
British people should not be used as slave labour, no matter how much you think they should.
You wouldn't work for the minimum wage so don't tell others to do so,
For the record, Blair and Brown are universally disliked in my household. Warmongers both. Plundered the coffers in the good times.
And the banks deserve everything they get. Thieves and criminals who have looked after their own interests and to hell with everyone else.
I wouldn't pay tax I didn't owe, but obviously would if I did. Same as you, I suppose.
And PriceWaterhouse Cooper! Don't make me laugh.

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Llanmartinangel says...
3:16pm Fri 11 Jan 13

As for foreign workers - they are generally young and single and make few demands on our social services - health etc. Are you sure? Have you looked at the statistics about how many children being born in UK hospitals to non-uk born mothers? It's 25% actually. Just one of the dilemmas of your 'welfare is a bottomless pit' stance then. You also don't say where you'd find the cash to fund the ever growing burden. Before you suggest taxing the rich more, you might raise £1billion tops. Corporation tax? It's a business expense which comes out of profit. So either pension funds suffer (so workers do) or investment does (so jobs do). If the answers were easy don't you think someone would have done it?

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james jackson says...
5:56pm Fri 11 Jan 13

Not really. The mindset needs to change.
And the 25 per cent figure is wrong. It's
Daily Mail-speak.

We're the fourth richest country in the world. Where there's a will there's a way!
Have a good weekend.

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