Unjust letter on the bible

I HAVE no intention of engaging in an exchange with P.C. Neilsen, but I do not hesitate to point out how unjust and unrepresentative his letter on the Bible is.

One case in point is his criticism of Jesus who, he says, “tends to embrace the dregs and deviants of society such as the prostitute.” The Bible makes no mention of ‘deviants’. It does say that Jesus was criticised by the holier than thou brigade because he sought out publicans, sinners and prostitutes. That was to his glory. Those who were considered the dregs of society and beyond were the very ones that he deliberately sought out. He wished to save, restore, and regenerate them. He was sent into the world to save sinners and that was what he did with his whole heart.

Tom McCarthy Gaer Park Parade Newport

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1:31am Fri 25 Jan 13

P C Neilson says...

Yes Tom, I was suggesting that, on Jesus' reputation, his kindness and forgiveness would also include the people that the lay Christians and the Catholic church are so happy to exclude (and cause harm to).

What you have just said there was what I was getting at. Christians could be 'more' like Jesus instead of indulging whatever the current dogma dictates. You are at an advantage here compared to the inflexability of Islamic doctrine.

I'm glad you don't want to 'engage' because I'm fed up of having to explain myself. I've not yet had a coherent reply from any of the 'god squad' for that matter.

Regardless of what you may think of my criticisms against religion, what it boils down to for me is that I don't think that secular people should suffer for the delusions of fringe loony tunes with theocratic ambitions.

I don't want want it in my taxes, my sex life, my legislation, my food, my schools, my births, marriages or death. Surely the religious should only be interested in imposing all of that upon themselves,

That's the root of my criticism, I don't care what the wholey bibble says.
Yes Tom, I was suggesting that, on Jesus' reputation, his kindness and forgiveness would also include the people that the lay Christians and the Catholic church are so happy to exclude (and cause harm to). What you have just said there was what I was getting at. Christians could be 'more' like Jesus instead of indulging whatever the current dogma dictates. You are at an advantage here compared to the inflexability of Islamic doctrine. I'm glad you don't want to 'engage' because I'm fed up of having to explain myself. I've not yet had a coherent reply from any of the 'god squad' for that matter. Regardless of what you may think of my criticisms against religion, what it boils down to for me is that I don't think that secular people should suffer for the delusions of fringe loony tunes with theocratic ambitions. I don't want want it in my taxes, my sex life, my legislation, my food, my schools, my births, marriages or death. Surely the religious should only be interested in imposing all of that upon themselves, That's the root of my criticism, I don't care what the wholey bibble says. P C Neilson

2:02pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Oriel Bufton says...

PC Neilson. Try saying that about Islam or the Koran It's not about being 'religious' it's about salvation, and the life God would prefer us to have, which is freedom from fear, freedom from condemnation, and not fearing death. But a life of loving God, who provided another way for us - a better way. Jesus loved the unlovely, and that was the example he set for us, He loved us all, no matter who, and still love us. Salvation is about Love, the love of the Saviour. Not about condemnation, or 'religion, one can be religious about anything, time, cleanliness, work, anything, Salvation is about loving the Lord and your fellow man/woman. Jesus said, A new commandment I give to you - 'That you love one another as I have loved you!' Christianity is not about imposing anything on anyone.
PC Neilson. Try saying that about Islam or the Koran It's not about being 'religious' it's about salvation, and the life God would prefer us to have, which is freedom from fear, freedom from condemnation, and not fearing death. But a life of loving God, who provided another way for us - a better way. Jesus loved the unlovely, and that was the example he set for us, He loved us all, no matter who, and still love us. Salvation is about Love, the love of the Saviour. Not about condemnation, or 'religion, one can be religious about anything, time, cleanliness, work, anything, Salvation is about loving the Lord and your fellow man/woman. Jesus said, A new commandment I give to you - 'That you love one another as I have loved you!' Christianity is not about imposing anything on anyone. Oriel Bufton

3:49pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Raymond Luxury-Yacht says...

Unjust letter on the bible, Yes but the bible is unjust is it not? Stoning people to death for saying "Jehovah" .
Most unjust!
Unjust letter on the bible, Yes but the bible is unjust is it not? Stoning people to death for saying "Jehovah" . Most unjust! Raymond Luxury-Yacht

8:12pm Fri 25 Jan 13

P C Neilson says...

Oriel Bufton wrote:
PC Neilson. Try saying that about Islam or the Koran It's not about being 'religious' it's about salvation, and the life God would prefer us to have, which is freedom from fear, freedom from condemnation, and not fearing death. But a life of loving God, who provided another way for us - a better way. Jesus loved the unlovely, and that was the example he set for us, He loved us all, no matter who, and still love us. Salvation is about Love, the love of the Saviour. Not about condemnation, or 'religion, one can be religious about anything, time, cleanliness, work, anything, Salvation is about loving the Lord and your fellow man/woman. Jesus said, A new commandment I give to you - 'That you love one another as I have loved you!' Christianity is not about imposing anything on anyone.
Say what about Islam Oriel? All I'm saying is that I want freedom from religion, and yes that includes the vile poison that is Islam.

When I said that I never get a coherent reply from the god squad, your comment is a good example of why it IS about being religious. Without being nasty (because I think you are new to this argument) your way of thinking is broken, and I suspect that you don't accept 'blind faith' in any other part of your life, not important parts anyway.

From the top, this is what's wrong with what you claim.

If you believe that by obeying the laws and following the dogma laid out by organised religion will save you, and you will be granted eternal life by a god from a 2000 odd year old book, then you 'are' religious.

You then claim to know the mind of god by saying you know he wants you to be unafraid of death but afraid of condemnation (eternal hell). This is not freedom or the nature of someone who loves you, this is an ultimatum of the most vile sort. 'Do you want to live with me forever, you better had, don't make me burn you' . . . 'I love you' Charming.

You can see the salvation is forced upon you, you didn't ask for it, and you are told that following the 'religion' saves you from the condemnation introduced by Jesus himself no less. Presumably your god will be sending me and all the 'wrong' religions people straight to hell. That's celestial fascism.

You cannot go around making your own definitions and mixing meanings in sensible conversation. I presume being religious about time means that you think the earth is 6,000 years old. Religious about cleanliness is that you have super fresh magic mormon pants. Religious at work, you are a halal butcher. This is common place with the religious style of thinking.

You make lots of assertions that rely on what is known as 'an argument from authority' ie. It's true because the bible says so.

Christianity doesn't impose on me because I'm not gay or a woman or Irish or African or an American school kid, or in the care of slobering priests, but that doesn't mean it's ok with me either

There are 40,000 denominations of Christianity in the world, none of you agree on what it is, and none of you can describe what you mean by the 'fuzzy' words you use when talking about god and heaven.

You do see what I'm getting at here. The promise that religion makes is indistinguishable from one that doesn't exist at all. If the top clergy and apologists are ducking the question, then I'm sure that you can't answer either.

Not all opinions are valid in the public interest, I don't want people who believe in such nonsense making important decisions for the rest of us. But they try.

Blasphemy is a victimless crime, and the internet is where religion comes to die. Or may Zeus strike me down.
[quote][p][bold]Oriel Bufton[/bold] wrote: PC Neilson. Try saying that about Islam or the Koran It's not about being 'religious' it's about salvation, and the life God would prefer us to have, which is freedom from fear, freedom from condemnation, and not fearing death. But a life of loving God, who provided another way for us - a better way. Jesus loved the unlovely, and that was the example he set for us, He loved us all, no matter who, and still love us. Salvation is about Love, the love of the Saviour. Not about condemnation, or 'religion, one can be religious about anything, time, cleanliness, work, anything, Salvation is about loving the Lord and your fellow man/woman. Jesus said, A new commandment I give to you - 'That you love one another as I have loved you!' Christianity is not about imposing anything on anyone.[/p][/quote]Say what about Islam Oriel? All I'm saying is that I want freedom from religion, and yes that includes the vile poison that is Islam. When I said that I never get a coherent reply from the god squad, your comment is a good example of why it IS about being religious. Without being nasty (because I think you are new to this argument) your way of thinking is broken, and I suspect that you don't accept 'blind faith' in any other part of your life, not important parts anyway. From the top, this is what's wrong with what you claim. If you believe that by obeying the laws and following the dogma laid out by organised religion will save you, and you will be granted eternal life by a god from a 2000 odd year old book, then you 'are' religious. You then claim to know the mind of god by saying you know he wants you to be unafraid of death but afraid of condemnation (eternal hell). This is not freedom or the nature of someone who loves you, this is an ultimatum of the most vile sort. 'Do you want to live with me forever, you better had, don't make me burn you' . . . 'I love you' Charming. You can see the salvation is forced upon you, you didn't ask for it, and you are told that following the 'religion' saves you from the condemnation introduced by Jesus himself no less. Presumably your god will be sending me and all the 'wrong' religions people straight to hell. That's celestial fascism. You cannot go around making your own definitions and mixing meanings in sensible conversation. I presume being religious about time means that you think the earth is 6,000 years old. Religious about cleanliness is that you have super fresh magic mormon pants. Religious at work, you are a halal butcher. This is common place with the religious style of thinking. You make lots of assertions that rely on what is known as 'an argument from authority' ie. It's true because the bible says so. Christianity doesn't impose on me because I'm not gay or a woman or Irish or African or an American school kid, or in the care of slobering priests, but that doesn't mean it's ok with me either There are 40,000 denominations of Christianity in the world, none of you agree on what it is, and none of you can describe what you mean by the 'fuzzy' words you use when talking about god and heaven. You do see what I'm getting at here. The promise that religion makes is indistinguishable from one that doesn't exist at all. If the top clergy and apologists are ducking the question, then I'm sure that you can't answer either. Not all opinions are valid in the public interest, I don't want people who believe in such nonsense making important decisions for the rest of us. But they try. Blasphemy is a victimless crime, and the internet is where religion comes to die. Or may Zeus strike me down. P C Neilson

10:49pm Fri 25 Jan 13

Slider02 says...

The bible - the worst piece of lies and bias ever mass printed. It teaches hate crime - it teaches homophobia - so why bother with something that is so badly written - it don`t even make sense any more? ? ? ?
The bible - the worst piece of lies and bias ever mass printed. It teaches hate crime - it teaches homophobia - so why bother with something that is so badly written - it don`t even make sense any more? ? ? ? Slider02

11:28pm Fri 25 Jan 13

P C Neilson says...

Slider02 wrote:
The bible - the worst piece of lies and bias ever mass printed. It teaches hate crime - it teaches homophobia - so why bother with something that is so badly written - it don`t even make sense any more? ? ? ?
I don't argue on the validity of the 'holey bibble' any more slider02, it's a waste of time, we only need to look at the origins of superstition and the history of the rise of religion to skip 100% of the looney tunes arguments.

You will save yourself a lot of time in discussions by nipping that in the bud. I know I shouldn't, because some of the people I love very dearly believe in this mind rot, but I can't help but lose a little bit of respect for their ability to make rational decisions, and it is regularly confirmed . . .unfortunately.
[quote][p][bold]Slider02[/bold] wrote: The bible - the worst piece of lies and bias ever mass printed. It teaches hate crime - it teaches homophobia - so why bother with something that is so badly written - it don`t even make sense any more? ? ? ?[/p][/quote]I don't argue on the validity of the 'holey bibble' any more slider02, it's a waste of time, we only need to look at the origins of superstition and the history of the rise of religion to skip 100% of the looney tunes arguments. You will save yourself a lot of time in discussions by nipping that in the bud. I know I shouldn't, because some of the people I love very dearly believe in this mind rot, but I can't help but lose a little bit of respect for their ability to make rational decisions, and it is regularly confirmed . . .unfortunately. P C Neilson

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