Switching to UKIP vote (From South Wales Argus)

Be Warned UKIP are more right wing than the Tories. One track pony

If UKIP represents your views then of course that is who you should vote for.

I can't help but feel that UKIP might collect a strong following in next few years.

This government is partly to blame for creating unnecessary racism and avoidable resentment towards immigrants. British law should be adhered to by all of us, regardless of country of origin.

It is obvious that the government is ashamed that political groups such as the EDL and UKIP exist. Unfortunately we are living in a time where 'cultural sensitivity' has allowed hate speech, religious war and open threats to our democracy, often under police protection from groups that would want to oppose such behaviour.

Something is seriously wrong when what is happening in townships like Luton are being treated with such selective hearing and unfair treatment. If UKIP or something like them are to get in, then it will be the fault of this government. I hope it never comes to this.

Mr Angry wrote:
Be Warned UKIP are more right wing than the Tories. One track pony

Blair/Brown was more right wing than the Cameron bunch

yes iu shall be voting for lafarge (boy I hated labour)

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:
Be Warned UKIP are more right wing than the Tories. One track pony

Blair/Brown was more right wing than the Cameron bunch

How can Blair/Brown be right wing when they increased the public sector by a million?

BTW the million extra administrators that Blair/Brown employed in the public sector can't be afforded by the taxpayer anymore which is why Cameron is getting rid of them. I don't count them as a big loss!!!

P C Neilson wrote:
If UKIP represents your views then of course that is who you should vote for.

I can't help but feel that UKIP might collect a strong following in next few years.

This government is partly to blame for creating unnecessary racism and avoidable resentment towards immigrants. British law should be adhered to by all of us, regardless of country of origin.

It is obvious that the government is ashamed that political groups such as the EDL and UKIP exist. Unfortunately we are living in a time where 'cultural sensitivity' has allowed hate speech, religious war and open threats to our democracy, often under police protection from groups that would want to oppose such behaviour.

Something is seriously wrong when what is happening in townships like Luton are being treated with such selective hearing and unfair treatment. If UKIP or something like them are to get in, then it will be the fault of this government. I hope it never comes to this.

They have been hoisted by their own petard. They have protected illegals, and terrorists like ABU, have not sent them back, and it is increasing by the day as coach loads wheel their way into London, to then disappear into the woodwork, or sent on here and elsewhere in the UK. You combine that with he square banana brigade at Euro Disney in Brussels, the EDF look like winners.... at least they don't waffle you know what to expect. You would need a Rosetta stone to fathom out what on EARTH Europeans or Cameron are on about. Don't want to know frankly.

Write all the letters you like and continue to kid yourself. UKIP is a one man band and will not top 10%.

yep your right alot will vote labour " became their father voted labour"

Luton and the EDL is a snap shot of what is coming to a town near you, if sterner measures aren't actioned when dealing with Islamists. The law how it is now will protect their human rights (even though they despise democracy themselves) while the normal people will be left feeling abandoned, helpless and criminalised for speaking out.

The message should be clear. If you hate democracy, the west, think western culture should be sharia, and have theocratic aspirations, then this isn't a place that will accept such intentions in a democratic way. It's time we took them on their word.

Britain doesn't have a EDL/UKIP problem, it has an Islam and a deluded government problem.

People will vote UKIP I have no doubt about it, the only thing stopping some at the moment is the slur that comes with it. If it gets too bad, that won't matter, and by that time there 'will' be a problem with racist looneys, for they will have very large axes to grind. This isn't showing any signs of going away.

I will never vote UKIP. Also I hope I never have to consider a Welsh version of EDL in my town.

P C Neilson wrote:
Luton and the EDL is a snap shot of what is coming to a town near you, if sterner measures aren't actioned when dealing with Islamists. The law how it is now will protect their human rights (even though they despise democracy themselves) while the normal people will be left feeling abandoned, helpless and criminalised for speaking out.

The message should be clear. If you hate democracy, the west, think western culture should be sharia, and have theocratic aspirations, then this isn't a place that will accept such intentions in a democratic way. It's time we took them on their word.

Britain doesn't have a EDL/UKIP problem, it has an Islam and a deluded government problem.

People will vote UKIP I have no doubt about it, the only thing stopping some at the moment is the slur that comes with it. If it gets too bad, that won't matter, and by that time there 'will' be a problem with racist looneys, for they will have very large axes to grind. This isn't showing any signs of going away.

I will never vote UKIP. Also I hope I never have to consider a Welsh version of EDL in my town.

Really good post.

Go UKIP!! You'll have my vote as years of voting for the mainstream parties have produced absolutely nothing but misery and hardship! I don't expect a golden egg but at least the chance has to be given. Hopefully it won't be a "Newport coalition" moment and ppl will realise that yrs and yrs of neglect can't be fixed overnight?!

I for one will be voting UKIP at next elections. The political partys we have now are leading us to ruin. Love her or hate her Thatcher was our last leader who was a conviction politician. She fought for what she believed. You knew where she was coming from. Todays lot are pathetic. Can you imagine Milliband leading the country? Labour led us to ruin last time. They should be unelectable. Why would people ever vote for them again. The political class from the left or right is so corrupt now they are unfit for purpose.
In UKIP, Nigel Farage has the makings of a great PM. A man who will fight for this country and not for big business. His arguments in the European parliament and nothing short of Churchillian. Don't let the liberal left get away with trying to accuse UKIP of racism or being anti European. They are not. They just don't want to be governed by Europe. Farage is married to a German for God sake.

scraptheWAG wrote:
yep your right alot will vote labour " became their father voted labour"

The same as the voters of Christchurch in Dorset, and Tatton (how else would Osbourne get a seat) vote Tory because their fathers did etc.

It works both ways, but the people in safe labour seats are always wrong of course.............

Ha ha ha, good luck!

The British Employer is the worst in the world, and EU regulations give working people a little protection from these Employers. The Clown in charge of UKIP calls EU employment protection 'Red Tape' and wants rid of it.

People fought hard for the small amout of employment rights we have today, UKIP wants to take the clock back to Victorian Times, look at the detail not the Xhenaphobic biggotery.

Lots of people fought and died for the rights we had.
If having UKIP running the government means that we no longer have to pay £53m a day and have have a European- free- run country then that's a good start in my book.
The UK has been sold out by consecutive "governments" and the record has to be changed! Allah help us (see what I did there?) we'll have almost a million Rumanians and Bulgarians coming soon because of EU legislation that we're powerless to stop!!!

gathin wrote:
Lots of people fought and died for the rights we had. If having UKIP running the government means that we no longer have to pay £53m a day and have have a European- free- run country then that's a good start in my book. The UK has been sold out by consecutive "governments" and the record has to be changed! Allah help us (see what I did there?) we'll have almost a million Rumanians and Bulgarians coming soon because of EU legislation that we're powerless to stop!!!

Says it all really doesn't it

Vote independent!

Vote Pedro

Mr Angry wrote:
The British Employer is the worst in the world, and EU regulations give working people a little protection from these Employers. The Clown in charge of UKIP calls EU employment protection 'Red Tape' and wants rid of it.

People fought hard for the small amout of employment rights we have today, UKIP wants to take the clock back to Victorian Times, look at the detail not the Xhenaphobic biggotery.

Do try to read their manifesto rather than make up your view of what is in it.

UKIP actual propose giving better but more flexible rights

THey will give the right to recall your MP in certain circumstances

gathin wrote:
Lots of people fought and died for the rights we had.
If having UKIP running the government means that we no longer have to pay £53m a day and have have a European- free- run country then that's a good start in my book.
The UK has been sold out by consecutive "governments" and the record has to be changed! Allah help us (see what I did there?) we'll have almost a million Rumanians and Bulgarians coming soon because of EU legislation that we're powerless to stop!!!

Contrary to the wild left wing claims UKIP is not racist. It is though for controlled migration.

UKIP is not anti europe and will continue to trade with europe. . The problem is the EU red tape and its open door migration policy

One approach could be a 1 in 1 out policy ie if someone leaves the UK for the EU 1 can come into the UK from the EU subject to criminal records checks , health checks and if they have skils that are scarce in the UK

The other big issue is Benefits. One solution is that anyone coming to the UK only recives a proportion of UK benefits depending on their age when they come to the UK

If we assume current retirement age is 65 if someome enters the UK at say 45 they would be entittled to 20/65th of UK benefits

As an example assuming UK pension to be £110 they would get a pension of £33.85 a week.

THe other option is the EU country they comes from send a cash sum to the UK to fund UK benefits for the years they were not resident in the UK

What IS left wing anymore? It is worrying that I can't think of a single politician that would put pragmatism over party politics. I understand that this is how one 'joins the club' and that it is perfectly reasonable to collect members that don't rock the boat.

I agree that to 'trade' in the EU, should not necessarily mean we have to tow the line in matters that we are perfectly (if not more!) capable of handling. It's not like we are some terrible despot that needs help on these matters, or can't be trusted. On a humanitarian level, I recon we're OK to be left alone.

What I'd really like to see is for Clegg to grow a conscience and realise that his input in this coalition has been less than worthless, and that his 'coat tailing' has been unabashedly obvious to everyone with eyes, and that it will soon be over, with little but the disdain of the public and the end of any chance of credibility to him to look forward to.

He has a chance to do something noble for once in his life. He should disband this coalition, and force an election. He has a perfect opportunity now that Cameron is openly trying to rig things in favour of his party. Seats count.

Clegg has an oportunity to change his place in UK political history here, and record a much grander reputation than he deserves.

Why will people vote UKIP? Cameron.

Remove him now before he causes anymore damage, reverse all of his policies, and let's see what happens in the aftermath. C'mon Clegg here's your shot to turn it all on its head and be a hero. Pull the trigger, do it now.

UKIP what do they stand for, out of the European Union, still fight wars that don't concern this Country, there Immigration policy, if a million British people emigrated Ukip would allow a million + 50,000 more immigrants to enter the UK on there 50,000 above net policy. Left wing are the UAF club who are more fascist than any party. The EDL although not a party are some say backed by Zionist's from the USA who are pro Jew, Christian but Anti-Muslim, George Galloway of the Respect Party before elected said he wanted all our Forces back home and not to fight in Muslim Counties,he was elected with a ten thousand majority over Labour, I think we have been conned at every election for 30 years or so, none of the "say so" main parties are worth voting for, liars and millionaires, the last Labor governtment inflicted Genocide on this Country by allowing uncontrolled mass immigration.
People have to decide at the next General Election weather they want this Country to get back the Great Britain that was, or vote for Muticulturalism a vote for LIB LAB CON or UKIP will get you Muticuturalism, i see that as the only way this Country will go, Jack Straw said he wanted to get rid of our British-ness and by flooding this Country with foreigners has nearly succeeded, ask your self why millions of Europeans come here, it's not because they all like us no, is't because they all like soft touch Britain, so far foreign workers have sent back to there own countries £385 billion, you could think we would do well in the Eurovision Contest we don't.
Most of the people who do vote have been brain washed either by "we always vote for so and so, or the Media one of the main culprits for this is the BBC, i made a comment about Jack Straw on Immigration, Melanie Phillips of the Daily Mail exposed it, the BBC didn't even mention it, it's NOT PC is it.
People need to have the Courage to Vote for a Party that will keep Britain British get our industries back as world leaders again, employ our 2 million unemployed, look after our pensioners, they worked and fought to look after us, Get rid of the Fractional Banking system that caused our National debt in the first place....

Newport Spark wrote:
I for one will be voting UKIP at next elections. The political partys we have now are leading us to ruin. Love her or hate her Thatcher was our last leader who was a conviction politician. She fought for what she believed. You knew where she was coming from. Todays lot are pathetic. Can you imagine Milliband leading the country? Labour led us to ruin last time. They should be unelectable. Why would people ever vote for them again. The political class from the left or right is so corrupt now they are unfit for purpose.
In UKIP, Nigel Farage has the makings of a great PM. A man who will fight for this country and not for big business. His arguments in the European parliament and nothing short of Churchillian. Don't let the liberal left get away with trying to accuse UKIP of racism or being anti European. They are not. They just don't want to be governed by Europe. Farage is married to a German for God sake.

You mean that this guy Farage wants to achieve what Hitler couldn't and put a German into no. 10. He won't get my vote in that case.

Bobevans wrote:

Mr Angry wrote: The British Employer is the worst in the world, and EU regulations give working people a little protection from these Employers. The Clown in charge of UKIP calls EU employment protection 'Red Tape' and wants rid of it. People fought hard for the small amout of employment rights we have today, UKIP wants to take the clock back to Victorian Times, look at the detail not the Xhenaphobic biggotery.

Do try to read their manifesto rather than make up your view of what is in it. UKIP actual propose giving better but more flexible rights THey will give the right to recall your MP in certain circumstances

More rubbish from Bob Evans, when answering a question on the BBC's 'Question Time' The Furer (Nigel Farage) responded that he wanted to make it easier to 'Hire and Fire people' when pressed he refused to say if this meant a 'Fire at Will ' policy. Its seems the flexible rights you mention only apply one way - to the employer. The thought of the typical cowboy British Employer having such power is worrying. Any working class person voting for such a policy would be a fool.

As for recalling MP's , I get a feeling this could happen in marginals on a regular basis, another daft idea.

Isn't the Government really giving Ukip a platform that it needs ready for the new Tory/Ukip coalition as the Libs are finished for now ?

Who wants another mainstream Party with a Chief Whip telling Councillors in Newport what to do and say from an office in London ?

6000 new Elected Independent Councillors in England and Wales at the last elections. Real people from real communities who are free to say and act on local issues.

I remember throwing a Betamax Ukip video in the bin 30 years ago. They are still a 'nothing party'. A Mono-policy Party.

Let the immigrants have Newport, it's shot to bits anyway.

Funnily enough they don't bother coming up the valleys, either it's too cold for them or if they do turn up they're rightly told they're not welcome.

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:
Be Warned UKIP are more right wing than the Tories. One track pony

Blair/Brown was more right wing than the Cameron bunch

Please explain your wild and incorrect statement of racism. No doubt there will be silence from you

Bob, I stated that UKIP are more right wing the the Tories,I fact I stand by. If you check my posts at no point have I mentioned racism.

Thats usually your view when refering to the Welsh people.

Bobevans wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:
Be Warned UKIP are more right wing than the Tories. One track pony

Blair/Brown was more right wing than the Cameron bunch

Please explain your wild and incorrect statement of racism. No doubt there will be silence from you

Here we go some mentioned Right wing and all of a sudden your a racist, this is why this country is the HUB for foreigners, the Liberal elite keep spouting racist at any debate that's smells of right wing, can't debate immigration, religion, because the left Liberals attack you as a racist...No wounder this Country looks like an Arab state....

Oh and Bob, I dont think you are in a position to mention 'Silence' when challenged given your past record.

Want to talk about Regional pay, or Boundary Changes ( Gerymandering) - thought not .

Bobevans wrote:

Mr Angry wrote:
The British Employer is the worst in the world, and EU regulations give working people a little protection from these Employers. The Clown in charge of UKIP calls EU employment protection 'Red Tape' and wants rid of it.

People fought hard for the small amout of employment rights we have today, UKIP wants to take the clock back to Victorian Times, look at the detail not the Xhenaphobic biggotery.

Do try to read their manifesto rather than make up your view of what is in it.

UKIP actual propose giving better but more flexible rights

THey will give the right to recall your MP in certain circumstances

Oh dear Bobby Boy, up to your old tricks again and telling 'porkies'?

I think you ought to read what UKIP policies actually are because the party that you so vehemently support you seem to know little about. Mr A was spot on, UKIP are the extreme right of the Tory party.

http://www.ukip.org/
content/ukip-policie
s/2733-small-busines
s-ukip-policy

There's another policy that UKIP have on High Speed Rail that intrigued me Bob, as you like to tell everyone on the Telegraph website (and they tell you about your spelling) what a total waste of money HS2 in particular and HS Railways in general are I thought you would have known the policy of your own party on that. Here it is Bobby, read and weep:

Invest in three new 200mph plus high-speed rail lines including a new line between London and Newcastle with a spur to Manchester, a
London-Bristol-Exete
r line and a linking route via Birmingham (Note no mention of investment in Wales or Scotland).

In recent years the three main political parties have seriously failed and betrayed us nationally. In Newport the Labour run council have destroyed infrastructure, with poor planning and lack of constructive foresight. Our Town Centre some might say City Centre has died a slow and painful death over the last decade. This is due to aloof councillors all looking after number one. It's time to vote out Labour! Stop traditional voting because it doesn't work. Labour isn't working in Newport, we need to vote for people who will make positive changes for the greater good of the community.

Leepod wrote:
In recent years the three main political parties have seriously failed and betrayed us nationally. In Newport the Labour run council have destroyed infrastructure, with poor planning and lack of constructive foresight. Our Town Centre some might say City Centre has died a slow and painful death over the last decade. This is due to aloof councillors all looking after number one. It's time to vote out Labour! Stop traditional voting because it doesn't work. Labour isn't working in Newport, we need to vote for people who will make positive changes for the greater good of the community.

STop traditional voting you say, does this apply in tradional Conservative areas.........no didn't think so

The Tories are as bad as all the mainstream parties. They are all exactly the same and are run by the same personalities.
But that's show business for you, folks!
The UK needs a massive change but as with many of the failed policies- it's maybe too late already.

Mr Angry wrote:

Leepod wrote:
In recent years the three main political parties have seriously failed and betrayed us nationally. In Newport the Labour run council have destroyed infrastructure, with poor planning and lack of constructive foresight. Our Town Centre some might say City Centre has died a slow and painful death over the last decade. This is due to aloof councillors all looking after number one. It's time to vote out Labour! Stop traditional voting because it doesn't work. Labour isn't working in Newport, we need to vote for people who will make positive changes for the greater good of the community.

STop traditional voting you say, does this apply in tradional Conservative areas.........no didn't think so

This is a reference regarding Labour polices in Newport, which have seriously failed the Town. I made no reference to the Conservatives. Show me a present day politician who has improved or served their community for the greater good....

Good point, Pod.
I have no idea why ppl try and differentiate between the charlatans that are currently in "power" or in "opposition".
The public must love getting duped or something!

gathin wrote:
The Tories are as bad as all the mainstream parties. They are all exactly the same and are run by the same personalities.
But that's show business for you, folks!
The UK needs a massive change but as with many of the failed policies- it's maybe too late already.

Quite true. The Labour party chastised the Welsh secretary yesterday for travelling 100Yds in an official car. John Prescott did the same once at the Labour party conference because his wife was worried about her hair. Talk about hypocrites. The fact is that our politicians are in the enviable position of not having a 'cost of failure'. Within reason, most people who work can be sacked for gross incompetence but 80% of the MPs and Councillors in safe seats are never taken to task however bad they are.