Enforcers? ha, ignore them

TORFAEN council has appointed a private company, XFOR, to patrol the borough and issue fines for littering, dog fouling and smoking illegally. XFOR is a private fines-for-profit company that exists to make money.

The more penalties they issue the more they get paid, so it’s not hard to see where their motivation is going to lie. I’m sure the council would be delighted if everyone just meekly complied with this but the fact is we don’t have to. If approached by these ‘Enforcers’ remember, they are NOT the police. You do not have to give them your name or address if requested and they cannot make you. You are free to simply walk away. They are not allowed to use force or to impede you if you choose to leave. We all want clean streets, but that’s what street cleaners are for. Stand up for freedom and civil rights and resist these strutting job’sworths at every turn. Make their lives as difficult as possible and force them out of our borough. Only idiots vote for less personal freedom.

Bob Rogers Wellington Road Talywain

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4:51pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Less freedom to do what? Drop litter? Throw cigarette butts? Interesting isn't it that you think street cleaners should be paid out of taxes that could better be spent elsewhere to clean up low-life's rubbish. But employing someone to prevent it gets you incensed and quoting your rights. Ever heard the expression 'better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than speak up and remove all doubt'?
Less freedom to do what? Drop litter? Throw cigarette butts? Interesting isn't it that you think street cleaners should be paid out of taxes that could better be spent elsewhere to clean up low-life's rubbish. But employing someone to prevent it gets you incensed and quoting your rights. Ever heard the expression 'better to remain silent and be thought an idiot than speak up and remove all doubt'? Llanmartinangel
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6:47pm Thu 7 Feb 13

P C Neilson says...

Right on comrade Bob! The dog sh*t police is a pathetic idea, dreamed up by pathetic people.
Right on comrade Bob! The dog sh*t police is a pathetic idea, dreamed up by pathetic people. P C Neilson
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10:04pm Thu 7 Feb 13

Lucha Libre says...

It's idiots who leave the dog muck that has led to this!
It's a good idea getting people to pick up mess left by them/dogs or face a fine.
Not that it's actually working though. After a walk through Pontypool village today I was hopscotching over cigarette butts and food and I didn't get a chance to see what was in the shop windows as I had to watch the floor for hazards!
The network of cycle paths are nothing but a long line of dog mess, even when people pick it up there is no bin to put it in, so what do they do? They tie it to a tree! Very picturesque.
It's idiots who leave the dog muck that has led to this! It's a good idea getting people to pick up mess left by them/dogs or face a fine. Not that it's actually working though. After a walk through Pontypool village today I was hopscotching over cigarette butts and food and I didn't get a chance to see what was in the shop windows as I had to watch the floor for hazards! The network of cycle paths are nothing but a long line of dog mess, even when people pick it up there is no bin to put it in, so what do they do? They tie it to a tree! Very picturesque. Lucha Libre
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10:39pm Thu 7 Feb 13

P C Neilson says...

Urgh! Dog mess trees. Gross. I get the frustration at all the filth, I really do. Some inconsiderate 'tawait' leaves it outside my house all the time.

It's how quick people are to turn to what will essentially be like wheel clampers, but for dog poo that doesn't sit well with me. I may be wrong but I can't imagine it will be pleasurable to be followed around and scrutinised on your dog walk by someone who will need to justify their trade, as well as make money to stay in business.

I can't imagine them risking a trip to casualty by confronting Mr.Asbo and his mates, can you. And nor should they considering the amount of fuss and police resourses incidents like that would take up.

Much more likely it will be careless Carol, or old Mabel who might not be sharp enough to stay on top of the task every time. Basically only people that would comply by their better nature anyway.

I may be wrong but I can't help but wonder at the overflowing mess bins and dog poo trees, if it would have been better to apply more pressure there, and on an awareness campaign.

I wonder if XFOR will be offering poo bags to people they will approach, in order to give them the opportunity to get with the program? Will they be taking control of the public interest by picking up faeces and emptying the bins?

We will see.
Urgh! Dog mess trees. Gross. I get the frustration at all the filth, I really do. Some inconsiderate 'tawait' leaves it outside my house all the time. It's how quick people are to turn to what will essentially be like wheel clampers, but for dog poo that doesn't sit well with me. I may be wrong but I can't imagine it will be pleasurable to be followed around and scrutinised on your dog walk by someone who will need to justify their trade, as well as make money to stay in business. I can't imagine them risking a trip to casualty by confronting Mr.Asbo and his mates, can you. And nor should they considering the amount of fuss and police resourses incidents like that would take up. Much more likely it will be careless Carol, or old Mabel who might not be sharp enough to stay on top of the task every time. Basically only people that would comply by their better nature anyway. I may be wrong but I can't help but wonder at the overflowing mess bins and dog poo trees, if it would have been better to apply more pressure there, and on an awareness campaign. I wonder if XFOR will be offering poo bags to people they will approach, in order to give them the opportunity to get with the program? Will they be taking control of the public interest by picking up faeces and emptying the bins? We will see. P C Neilson
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2:45am Fri 8 Feb 13

gathin says...

Facism is not the answer to our myriad of social problems in the UK but as long as Xfor and their employers make lots of money off us it's ok.
They are only enforcing "Acts"- which only have the power of law if consented to by the governed.
As the OP said say nothing to them and nothing can be done.
BTW put your fag butts, rubbish and dog poo in the bin- this is supposed to be a developed country.
The council need to put more bins up for public usage though that's for sure!
Facism is not the answer to our myriad of social problems in the UK but as long as Xfor and their employers make lots of money off us it's ok. They are only enforcing "Acts"- which only have the power of law if consented to by the governed. As the OP said say nothing to them and nothing can be done. BTW put your fag butts, rubbish and dog poo in the bin- this is supposed to be a developed country. The council need to put more bins up for public usage though that's for sure! gathin
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12:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

P C Neilson says...

Some people it seems, lose sight of the desired objective. They allow issues such as this, to be reduced to a tool of punishment and retribution.

You want to stop stepping in dog mess, yes? Keep that in mind.
Some people it seems, lose sight of the desired objective. They allow issues such as this, to be reduced to a tool of punishment and retribution. You want to stop stepping in dog mess, yes? Keep that in mind. P C Neilson
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1:46pm Sat 9 Feb 13

gathin says...

No, it's not a tool of punishment- Torfaen council, or any publically funded body, really couldn't care if you end up in court over this.
All they want is your money and if we lose some more of our rights in the process and become conditioned to private companies working for profit and trying to impose their "right" over us then so be it. A good example of this is the BBC license fee- don't pay it! When a privately contracted inspector (Capita has the £560m contract) comes to your home refuse to contract with them- ie Ask if you are obligated to answer any questions. They will say "yes-by law." You then say "which law?" They will mention an "Act of parliament" and you say "an Act is only given the force of law if consented by the governed." They will then leave as they know you know more than you should.
This is not difficult- it's all over You-Tube like a rash! Why should we be the cashcows for these councils and corporations who waste our money hand over fist and lost most of it playing "casino" on the worlds markets?
BTW put you fag ends and dog poo in the bin please.
No, it's not a tool of punishment- Torfaen council, or any publically funded body, really couldn't care if you end up in court over this. All they want is your money and if we lose some more of our rights in the process and become conditioned to private companies working for profit and trying to impose their "right" over us then so be it. A good example of this is the BBC license fee- don't pay it! When a privately contracted inspector (Capita has the £560m contract) comes to your home refuse to contract with them- ie Ask if you are obligated to answer any questions. They will say "yes-by law." You then say "which law?" They will mention an "Act of parliament" and you say "an Act is only given the force of law if consented by the governed." They will then leave as they know you know more than you should. This is not difficult- it's all over You-Tube like a rash! Why should we be the cashcows for these councils and corporations who waste our money hand over fist and lost most of it playing "casino" on the worlds markets? BTW put you fag ends and dog poo in the bin please. gathin
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2:53pm Sat 9 Feb 13

P C Neilson says...

gathin wrote:
No, it's not a tool of punishment- Torfaen council, or any publically funded body, really couldn't care if you end up in court over this.
All they want is your money and if we lose some more of our rights in the process and become conditioned to private companies working for profit and trying to impose their "right" over us then so be it. A good example of this is the BBC license fee- don't pay it! When a privately contracted inspector (Capita has the £560m contract) comes to your home refuse to contract with them- ie Ask if you are obligated to answer any questions. They will say "yes-by law." You then say "which law?" They will mention an "Act of parliament" and you say "an Act is only given the force of law if consented by the governed." They will then leave as they know you know more than you should.
This is not difficult- it's all over You-Tube like a rash! Why should we be the cashcows for these councils and corporations who waste our money hand over fist and lost most of it playing "casino" on the worlds markets?
BTW put you fag ends and dog poo in the bin please.
I didn't mean the council. I mean people that are gullible enough to think it's a good idea to have in place. They tend to be the same mean spirited authoritarian lot. They make their minds up on knee jerk emotion, and pay no further thought to it.

Excellent post BTW.
[quote][p][bold]gathin[/bold] wrote: No, it's not a tool of punishment- Torfaen council, or any publically funded body, really couldn't care if you end up in court over this. All they want is your money and if we lose some more of our rights in the process and become conditioned to private companies working for profit and trying to impose their "right" over us then so be it. A good example of this is the BBC license fee- don't pay it! When a privately contracted inspector (Capita has the £560m contract) comes to your home refuse to contract with them- ie Ask if you are obligated to answer any questions. They will say "yes-by law." You then say "which law?" They will mention an "Act of parliament" and you say "an Act is only given the force of law if consented by the governed." They will then leave as they know you know more than you should. This is not difficult- it's all over You-Tube like a rash! Why should we be the cashcows for these councils and corporations who waste our money hand over fist and lost most of it playing "casino" on the worlds markets? BTW put you fag ends and dog poo in the bin please.[/p][/quote]I didn't mean the council. I mean people that are gullible enough to think it's a good idea to have in place. They tend to be the same mean spirited authoritarian lot. They make their minds up on knee jerk emotion, and pay no further thought to it. Excellent post BTW. P C Neilson
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11:36pm Sat 9 Feb 13

gathin says...

You and I think alike.
Unfortunately the sheeple will pay as they really don't realise how much they are being shafted all the time. If they think having money extorted from them by a private company "would be legal practise" then they're wrong. How do you inform the masses though? Nobody has even read this page!
You and I think alike. Unfortunately the sheeple will pay as they really don't realise how much they are being shafted all the time. If they think having money extorted from them by a private company "would be legal practise" then they're wrong. How do you inform the masses though? Nobody has even read this page! gathin
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3:32pm Sun 10 Feb 13

P C Neilson says...

Heheh! Sheeple, I like it.
Inform the masses? The British Humanist Association (BHA) is pro active, and closest to my views. You might like them too.
Heheh! Sheeple, I like it. Inform the masses? The British Humanist Association (BHA) is pro active, and closest to my views. You might like them too. P C Neilson
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