We should be doing more (From South Wales Argus)

Bring the troops home now, it has been an absolute disaster, no disrespect to the men,and women, but the oil and gas deals have already been signed .......sad
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ANY Tom ,Richard and Abdul can cross our borders legal or illegal and obtain all
the benefits that are available,without contributing a farthing, while our people have to beg. This is a disgraceful state of affairs,and the stuff of revolution.

ANY Tom ,Richard and Abdul can cross our borders legal or illegal and obtain all
the benefits that are available,without contributing a farthing, while our people have to beg. This is a disgraceful state of affairs,and the stuff of revolution.

Depends on which revolution you have, Bourgeois or Proletarian, preferably the latter as it would mean no war, hunger, selfishness and greed, and no WMD! oh, and no enslaving other peoples countries.

War is disgusting, why is it surprising to people when the body bags start coming home. Death or glory is what it is. You pull the troops out only for fascist regimes to sneak back in. Sometimes the people are too isolated from the rest of civilisation to realise what they are voting in.

We see the bodies piling very high indeed before an "unjust intervention" happens. It's all good untill the reality of the cost of freedom becomes a lucid reality.

Any talk of robbing these countries and forcing war on them (right now) is propoganda and conspiracy spin promoted by guilt and blame shifting. It's a little late to suck up to those that want to destroy democracy. Know when you have an enemy, fail to do so at your peril.

If I were serving, risking my own life trying to liberate these people, I would be deeply offended by the lack of courage and empathy displayed by arm chair humanitarians.

They are the ones that should apologise.

Leave Afghanistan to the Afghans, their way of life is no way near ours, bring our Forces home now, help those soldiers who need help, either with housing, medical care, or what ever, also bring all our Forces home from where ever they are, the way our future is looking we'll need them here to keep the peace.

Politicians pretend they care but as we know most of them lie to get into power and lie to stay in power....What ever world countries have for sale we buy it of them, not steal it or bully them with our Military

Say that to Malala.

Just say you're a Roma Gypsy or Polish family and you'll have a place in a jiffy.
Simples.

Is Malalala the latest propoganda win for our government? I'm sure she and all her extended family will enjoy life in the UK at our expense. It's a pretty good deal- get shot in the head by your own ppl then get taken in by the very country that has helped destroy your own country. Poetry in motion.

I heard a lot of people saying things like, she (Malala) shouldn't get treatment or a place to stay here.

Let's be clear about this, men stopped a school bus and opened fire on children because their religious beliefs were under attack by a little who wanted education for her gender.

If this doesn't repulse or scare you, then consider hundreds of thousands of Malalas with open eyes and not a man or government able to help.

I'll gladly take every Muslim like Malala in exchange for the forceful rejection of anyone that preaches open contempt for democracy. Sharia is bad news, and all the rubbish you hear about unjust wars and such is spin by the same type of hate preachers, with the same agendas, that we want off our streets.

I'm sick of hearing all this old pap about us moving in and destroying these countries. Malala is from Pakistan btw. We have access to the reports, there really is no excuse.

Why would our soldiers go and fight an unjust war? Have you ever heard one return and say it was all about greed? No, I didn't think so.

Everybody is so quick to shout 'bring our troops back' 'It's not our business'. Well I'm sorry, they don't know what they are talking about.

One thing is for sure, it isn't about some twisted version of 'white guilt' and it isn't about benefits for forieghners.

And that's not to mention that Pakistan, which is one revolution away from Taliban rule, has nuclear strike capability. Don't delude yourselves that we can ignore a global nightmare by adopting Ostrich attitudes to the march of people who care not about dying in their quest to return the Workd to the dark ages.

Fighting in any of these countries where
neolithic belief holds sway is gross insanity, in the light of the fact that we are allowing hundreds of thousands of young men who have been
indoctrinated from birth to cross our borders is a strategy compiled by
the criminaly insane.

How can people from foreign countries come here and dictate that they need mosques, sharia law, protest at troops returning from tours etc. Can we go to Saudi and ask to build a pub ?

NO - There you go then!!!

We need to look after our own first, especially those who are willing to put their lives on the line for the policies of those in power.

P C Neilson wrote:
Eject them, eject them even if it means p*ssing off europe. They forego their right to western style human rights, the second they agree that those exact same rights must be destroyed from within. They use our own wishful thinking about multiculturalism against us. We can't have fascism or extreme right wing racists ruining it for the rest of us.

Until I see moderate Muslims demonstrating parallel to the anti-west Islamists, I am assuming that they cannot or will not oppose their ideals in any meaningful way. It doesn't matter on the details as to why they don't keep them in check, only that we don't allow it to grow in a country that loves its freedom.

'We are a religion of peace'

Well isn't that just precious, all you have to do is convince the imams and mullahs to tell the fundies to stop taking the Qu'ran literally.

This is why Malala matters, notice which groups have responded with admiration, empathy, contempt, apathy or possibly worse, silence. It speaks volumes about where we are at with Islam today.

Very good.

P C Neilson wrote:
Say that to Malala.

Malala doesn't live in Afghanistan....

welshmen wrote:

P C Neilson wrote:
Say that to Malala.

Malala doesn't live in Afghanistan....

That's right. I assumed from your post that you were of the opinion that, the human misery and death heaped on other humans by a spreading, fascist, religious cult, was not a problem we should worry about, because it isn't our people.

Apologies if I misread you.

P C Neilson wrote:

welshmen wrote:

P C Neilson wrote:
Say that to Malala.

Malala doesn't live in Afghanistan....

That's right. I assumed from your post that you were of the opinion that, the human misery and death heaped on other humans by a spreading, fascist, religious cult, was not a problem we should worry about, because it isn't our people.

Apologies if I misread you.

We should look after anyone who is so badly treated as Malala and support her cause....

As for troops out of Afghanistan? yes, why, in MY opinion this is an Islamic state and should be policed by a Muslim force, there are enough Muslim States in the region to effect a force along with the Afghan's if the Afghan's want it bad enough, and the main reason i want our soldiers out is simple, i would not want my son's to go there so why should i expect someone else's sons too, if our Country was at war with an invader here i would fight and so would my sons to protect this Country.... And that fascist, religious cult you mentioned is already here in our Country....I am not fooled by the so called moderates....

welshmen wrote:

P C Neilson wrote:

welshmen wrote:

P C Neilson wrote:
Say that to Malala.

Malala doesn't live in Afghanistan....

That's right. I assumed from your post that you were of the opinion that, the human misery and death heaped on other humans by a spreading, fascist, religious cult, was not a problem we should worry about, because it isn't our people.

Apologies if I misread you.

We should look after anyone who is so badly treated as Malala and support her cause....

As for troops out of Afghanistan? yes, why, in MY opinion this is an Islamic state and should be policed by a Muslim force, there are enough Muslim States in the region to effect a force along with the Afghan's if the Afghan's want it bad enough, and the main reason i want our soldiers out is simple, i would not want my son's to go there so why should i expect someone else's sons too, if our Country was at war with an invader here i would fight and so would my sons to protect this Country.... And that fascist, religious cult you mentioned is already here in our Country....I am not fooled by the so called moderates....

That won't work. If it were so simple our soldiers wouldn't be there. Watch now as the death cult pops up in the poorest, least educated countries, we killed a lot more of them, than they did ours. They are in pieces and on the run, but we still have the problem of fascist government and groups like the Taliban getting hold of the people when we move out. This was never going to be a quick job, it may take a few generations.

Think of it like Nazi germany before Churchill was PM and why it is important not to all it ever getting that far again.

As for moderates, in all of the cases I have heard, when they catch plotters and jihadi's in this country, it is always at a massive surprise and upset to the family and parents. It seems to be mid 30's and younger that get convinced the world is oppressing them.

We already have laws in place to protect us from a lot of the root problems. As a nation we need to remove the decision makers that keep making it difficult. They have names, these are often the errors of one person. Judge Mitting is one.

We need to stop saying things like ' the government' when describing a problem with a human being. Supposedly the protect us, shouldn't we demand reasonable competence at least.

America has been known to petition against judges and officals with success, why not us?

P C Neilson wrote:

welshmen wrote:

P C Neilson wrote:

welshmen wrote:

P C Neilson wrote:
Say that to Malala.

Malala doesn't live in Afghanistan....

That's right. I assumed from your post that you were of the opinion that, the human misery and death heaped on other humans by a spreading, fascist, religious cult, was not a problem we should worry about, because it isn't our people.

Apologies if I misread you.

We should look after anyone who is so badly treated as Malala and support her cause....

As for troops out of Afghanistan? yes, why, in MY opinion this is an Islamic state and should be policed by a Muslim force, there are enough Muslim States in the region to effect a force along with the Afghan's if the Afghan's want it bad enough, and the main reason i want our soldiers out is simple, i would not want my son's to go there so why should i expect someone else's sons too, if our Country was at war with an invader here i would fight and so would my sons to protect this Country.... And that fascist, religious cult you mentioned is already here in our Country....I am not fooled by the so called moderates....

That won't work. If it were so simple our soldiers wouldn't be there. Watch now as the death cult pops up in the poorest, least educated countries, we killed a lot more of them, than they did ours. They are in pieces and on the run, but we still have the problem of fascist government and groups like the Taliban getting hold of the people when we move out. This was never going to be a quick job, it may take a few generations.

Think of it like Nazi germany before Churchill was PM and why it is important not to all it ever getting that far again.

As for moderates, in all of the cases I have heard, when they catch plotters and jihadi's in this country, it is always at a massive surprise and upset to the family and parents. It seems to be mid 30's and younger that get convinced the world is oppressing them.

We already have laws in place to protect us from a lot of the root problems. As a nation we need to remove the decision makers that keep making it difficult. They have names, these are often the errors of one person. Judge Mitting is one.

We need to stop saying things like ' the government' when describing a problem with a human being. Supposedly the protect us, shouldn't we demand reasonable competence at least.

America has been known to petition against judges and officals with success, why not us?

A lot of what you say makes sense, but would you want your son's to go and fight in Afghanistan? if you have son's,or if not would you? i think Judges are a major problem in our fight against terrorist and foreign criminals, they should be brought to book on judgments not in favor of national security.

Imams who come from Muslim countries are a big problem in radicalising young Muslim's here, moderates in my mind are the excuse for letting Islam spread through out our Country and the EU, Government's still believe that the Moderates influence will stop local terrorism happening here, i don't agree it will, when you see on youtube Labour MP Malik say "in twenty years time i hope to see a Muslim flag flying over 10 Downing Street", it doesn't give you a good feeling to hear that, terrorism is treason in this country and in my opinion perpetrators should hang.... after all the Jihad Ali's have 72 virgins waiting for them....

Its the MOD who paid their wages and it should be the MOD who looks after them when injured or homeless. I serve my community but I got no help.

No one was forced to join up, its not like the WWI or WWII. When men didn't have a choice. I sure they new the dangers, just like a fireman who know one day he will have to enter a burning building, or a policeofficer who deals with violent crime, or a nurse with blood.

Pwlldu are you saying its okay for those who have served their country, whose families have contributed to our society all their lives ,to sleep under cardboard
on our streets, while a bunch of nomads from Somalia and Muslim terrorists live in thousand pound a week houses funded by hard working taxpayers? I do not, our politicians should be sectioned under the mental health act.

I say we have thousands of pensioner who fought in world wars living in poverty. As an employer the MOD should look after their own a bit better. Who looks after other public sector workers, nobody. A job of choice and not forced into active service, so why expect people to bend over backwards. Fight wars for big USA businesses.I say any person coming in from abroad who don't contribute to paying taxes shouldn't be allowed to come in and spounge.

Pwlldu Now you are cooking, seventy percent of the British people are saying the same thing.