Sign is a little cumbersome (From South Wales Argus)

Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

'Fears' of what?

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

Until there in Charge....Oil on the water comes to mind....

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

"I AM as ardent a Muslim as they come"

"Every Muslim, as indeed every Christian, is an evangelist"

"the evangelism has failed at the first hurdle"

"Approach the unconverted in a manner that yields acceptance"

"Thus would passers-by have paused and wondered and admired and inquired"

Moderate? Unassuming? What other comments from Muslims?

County mad, how come you don't hear it how it's written? When someone says something to you, do you ignore everything they say and make up your own meanings?

The author is taking 'the michael' out of people who are PC blind and ignorant of his creed, people like you. This is more a statement, than a commentary. Also the grammar was weird.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own! . . . Presumably with country fudge.

The major problem with this argument is use of the word "unconverted". This betrays the Muslims' real intentions. I have no need to be converted from reason and logic to any religion, thanks.

Llanmartinangel wrote:

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

'Fears' of what?

Terrorist cells in Wales, ad hoc mosques springing up in residential housing etc.. total inequality of the planning process, scared to say no or playing PC games. we could end up with every house owned by a Muslim sticking labels over their front door, it's a planning blight, get real.

We are all happy there are moderate Muslims, just not happy they are scared to challenge their religious leaders preaching hate on our doorstep. No point being a moderate if you don't practice THAT. It doesn't mean best to shut up....

Mervyn James wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

'Fears' of what?

Terrorist cells in Wales, ad hoc mosques springing up in residential housing etc.. total inequality of the planning process, scared to say no or playing PC games. we could end up with every house owned by a Muslim sticking labels over their front door, it's a planning blight, get real.

We are all happy there are moderate Muslims, just not happy they are scared to challenge their religious leaders preaching hate on our doorstep. No point being a moderate if you don't practice THAT. It doesn't mean best to shut up....

You know what I'm not happy about, the lack of discourse going on whenever this topic is raised.

Silence.

Let's just keep deleting posts and not talk then. Brilliant.

Mervyn James wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

'Fears' of what?

Terrorist cells in Wales, ad hoc mosques springing up in residential housing etc.. total inequality of the planning process, scared to say no or playing PC games. we could end up with every house owned by a Muslim sticking labels over their front door, it's a planning blight, get real.

We are all happy there are moderate Muslims, just not happy they are scared to challenge their religious leaders preaching hate on our doorstep. No point being a moderate if you don't practice THAT. It doesn't mean best to shut up....

Was a rhetorical question on my part. I was commenting on what many people's very real fears could be allayed by one persons, Muslim or otherwise, view of a deliberately antagonistic sign. I fear Country Mad is naive.

Mervyn James wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

county mad wrote:
Hurrah a common sense sober approach which proves there are moderate and fair minded Muslims as I already knew. Some more public comments from similar Muslims might allay the fears for some

'Fears' of what?

Terrorist cells in Wales, ad hoc mosques springing up in residential housing etc.. total inequality of the planning process, scared to say no or playing PC games. we could end up with every house owned by a Muslim sticking labels over their front door, it's a planning blight, get real.

We are all happy there are moderate Muslims, just not happy they are scared to challenge their religious leaders preaching hate on our doorstep. No point being a moderate if you don't practice THAT. It doesn't mean best to shut up....

From: "We are all happy there are moderate Muslims etc", your spot on, from what i've read and heard the Moderates should take the lime light away from the radicals and show they want to live as guests of a country rather than threaten to rules us, and ed this Muslim debate is not racist, they are told what to do by the Imam's and they DO obey, i would and i am sure our people would like to see Moderate Muslims march up our high street again but this time have signs saying Jihad NOT IN OUR NAME we love this Country....

The Argus was complaining recently about 'freedom of press'. Rather hypocritical, in light of the amount of quiet censorship that has happend on this topic isn't it?

At best It seems to demonstrate a lack of integrity and courage, and at worst, it is supporting an abuse of a position of authority and a selfish disregard for who gets included in 'freedom of expression'.

You should be extremely ashamed of yourself ed. At this point I don't care if you boot me.

Freedom of the Press....people have died to protect this freedom as have people who want to debate important issues as this.

In 2002 a person told the authorities that sexual grooming was taking place in his City, instead of the Police investigating this accusation the Police arrested this person for incitement to hatred and tried twice to imprison him, as we all know this sexual grooming did take place but it took many years after before anything was done, in the meantime hundreds of very young girls were abused, know THAT same person is saying that those same people are responsible for most of the heroin trade brought in to our Country yet we don't see that in the media.

If the media keep these type of subjects out of the papers then the perpetrators of these crimes will get what they want quicker, this posting site is protected by law if a poster libels etc then the offended have a right to litigation against the poster, you can't stifle the truth our Country is based on it, as is our way of life.

If any person doesn't agree to what posters write then let them defend that with their rebuttal on the subject, or perhaps they find it easier to have you Ed remove what they complain about..as long as it is not personal there should be no reason to remove post's....

welshmen wrote:
Freedom of the Press....people have died to protect this freedom as have people who want to debate important issues as this.

In 2002 a person told the authorities that sexual grooming was taking place in his City, instead of the Police investigating this accusation the Police arrested this person for incitement to hatred and tried twice to imprison him, as we all know this sexual grooming did take place but it took many years after before anything was done, in the meantime hundreds of very young girls were abused, know THAT same person is saying that those same people are responsible for most of the heroin trade brought in to our Country yet we don't see that in the media.

If the media keep these type of subjects out of the papers then the perpetrators of these crimes will get what they want quicker, this posting site is protected by law if a poster libels etc then the offended have a right to litigation against the poster, you can't stifle the truth our Country is based on it, as is our way of life.

If any person doesn't agree to what posters write then let them defend that with their rebuttal on the subject, or perhaps they find it easier to have you Ed remove what they complain about..as long as it is not personal there should be no reason to remove post's....

Thankyou welshmen. Somebody with open eyes at last. This is exactly what I see happening. If there are people spreading lies or hate speech or or guilty of libel then I fully understand.

We are living in a time when internet racists actually go to jail and have their lives ruined. In the same token we live in a world that is dealing with the sometimes violent opposition to freedom of expression/freedom of speech.

Belive me I 'know' what can happen.

To take that risk, only to have it hidden and removed from record, should be extremely worrying to us all. This is the power that discussing this topic holds over YOU. It is self imposed. There is NO conversation coming back the other way.

What happens among human beings when discourse is off the table? What is it called when a group of people are forcefully silenced by authority?

What is that called?

This kind of behaviour gives necessity to the very groups that you and I should 'never' have to even consider going up against. If you think I exaggerate then have a little look into what happened to the town mentioned it the quote above when silence is the contributing factor. This is a NEW problem, not something that we have ever had to deal with

Political Correctness is being used to silence and suppress our right to freedom of speech.

Censorship is also used which is not far from the Communist Party's way except we are not being shot at yet.

The Media are issued with a D Notice to prevent truth being told when there's a subject which could involve either, Incitement To Racial Hatred, Incitement to Religious Hatred.

Yet i have heard people speak on the News report's as Incitement to terrorism and nothing seems to happen to the perpetrator, it comes over as only Whites are racist and that's the instrument they hit people with when you mention the above or subject's related too....

welshmen wrote:
Political Correctness is being used to silence and suppress our right to freedom of speech.

Censorship is also used which is not far from the Communist Party's way except we are not being shot at yet.

The Media are issued with a D Notice to prevent truth being told when there's a subject which could involve either, Incitement To Racial Hatred, Incitement to Religious Hatred.

Yet i have heard people speak on the News report's as Incitement to terrorism and nothing seems to happen to the perpetrator, it comes over as only Whites are racist and that's the instrument they hit people with when you mention the above or subject's related too....

I find it shocking how ignorant people are on this subject, that they don't find it disturbing how they are told they must approach with hushed tones.

We sit here disgusted at how Greece has allowed a Nazi movement, when really we are no better.