Get tough on immigration (From South Wales Argus)

Yes E. Price i do share your view's and Millions more do through out our Country.

There's a Government-e-petitio
n that has now over 100,000 signatures on to stop benefits to immigrants, the Government now have a legal duty to debate this petition.

I feel that it will amount to nothing, we are legally bound by the European Union treaty Tony Blair signed to pay benefits to any EU citizens, the Bulgarians & Romanians have that right.

If estimates are similar as to when the Polish were allowed entry 600,000 came here, if that happens then our infrastructure is in for a pounding, the jobs market will shrink even further as a lot of lower income positions will go to them, British people here with a mortgage and a couple of kids can't compete with that.

Immigration is an ethnic and cultural replacement ,i believe brought on by past and present governments to water down the British people so that the European Union Government can control us better, our Armies are being depleted and our Navy, we do more with the French Forces now than we ever did.

All this wont change until our people get rid of the Liberal lefties that are every where,teaching our kids there agenda also noticeably the BBC and other media outlets who put there views first instead of being Impartial to Political opinions of other Parties as to there Charter they signed to get our TV licence money....

Sigh. I'm just going to copy and paste this from where I posted it earlier. E. Price and Welshmen, you can both add yourselves to the list of intended recipients.

Couldn't agree more Howie. I too am sick and tired of listening to narrow minded bigots, like you coalpicker, whining on about immigration and jobs. It may take a JCB to perform the operation, (for you coalpicker, and all the others like you out there in xenophobialand), but I have somem time on my hands, let's see if we can't remove your head from your backside, without the aid of horsepower and four wheeled drive first eh?

Firstly, let me just say that I'm a working class, white British male. I was born here. I've lived and worked in the UK almost my whole life. Every generation of my family tree, (far back as I know), have likewise been British. I come from a long line of good, solid, English stock.

Secondly, in the near forty years I've been alive, and the twenty five or so of my professional career, I've met scores to hundreds of foreign nationals, from dozens of countries, living and working here, in the UK. The overwhelming majority of them have been friendly, decent, hardworking etc... Many have been a pleasure to know, and have enriched my life considerably. Their company is certainly preferable to many of the natives I've met with whom I share a pedigree. The exceptions to the rule have always been boss/owner/landlord types. I don't much care what they look like, or where they were born, class is class afterall, it's the only divide that matters, and those few obnoxious, arrogant examples generally have no trouble convincing me they're on the other side.

Which brings me ramblingly, (yet neatly) to the third point I'd like to throw into the mix. Where are your jobs really going? Because let me tell you, if you think immigrants are picking your pockets, then you're completely oblivious to the strip mining operation going on right under your nose.

A case in point from my own experience. My last employer before I moved to Wales two years ago, was a small, profitable company. They employed twenty one staff, and reported clear profits of £3 million in the year previous to the one I left. Five of those staff were foreign, four Polish, one Brazilian. I can see how it would be easy to think that immigration has claimed a quarter of the jobs, but why ignore the owner? The man who has kept enough of the profit (surplus labour) to himself to employ 150 people on £20k/year surely deserves a little more of your anger than, essentially, ordinary working class wage/benefit slaves like most of the rest of us?

I mean, it's not like it's a lone example. It's a fairly typical portrayal of thousands of businesses up and down the country. The wealthy few are keeping enough to themselves to eradicate unemployment, probably many times over, and like Mel Gibson says in Braveheart, a film that surely stirs up emotion in all you proud Welshfolk out there,

"You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

Just look at the figures, 8% increase in UK millionaires the last two years. 210 new billionaires in the world in the last twelve months. You want to know where your jobs are going? It's all over the headlines, just put two and two together ffs.

Incidently, I mentioned the last job before moving to Wales because both of my employers since have been foreign companies. Looking quite likely that my third will be too. Now, as much as I'm grateful to them, on one level, for the opportunity to earn my living, it can't be ignored that these too are immigrants, no? Sacrificing British jobs, increasing capital flight, for profit margins? yet where is the condemnation and outcry? You all seem strangely silent on that score out there in your nationalist, xenophobic bubbles.

I'll finish by saying that, in case you hadn't got the message by now, immigrants are not your enemy, they certainly aren't the cause of your problems, and I fervently wish you'd all just STFU about it because you people make my head hurt.

thanks.

Ha, well said Karma, I hadn't seen that earlier. It's always been a mystery to me that we accuse the East Europeans of nicking our jobs but when someone like Dyson for example shuts down a factory in this country putting thousands out of work because he can make even more money by taking his production to China, no one has a bad word to say about him....they even continue to buy his products.

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
Sigh. I'm just going to copy and paste this from where I posted it earlier. E. Price and Welshmen, you can both add yourselves to the list of intended recipients.

Couldn't agree more Howie. I too am sick and tired of listening to narrow minded bigots, like you coalpicker, whining on about immigration and jobs. It may take a JCB to perform the operation, (for you coalpicker, and all the others like you out there in xenophobialand), but I have somem time on my hands, let's see if we can't remove your head from your backside, without the aid of horsepower and four wheeled drive first eh?

Firstly, let me just say that I'm a working class, white British male. I was born here. I've lived and worked in the UK almost my whole life. Every generation of my family tree, (far back as I know), have likewise been British. I come from a long line of good, solid, English stock.

Secondly, in the near forty years I've been alive, and the twenty five or so of my professional career, I've met scores to hundreds of foreign nationals, from dozens of countries, living and working here, in the UK. The overwhelming majority of them have been friendly, decent, hardworking etc... Many have been a pleasure to know, and have enriched my life considerably. Their company is certainly preferable to many of the natives I've met with whom I share a pedigree. The exceptions to the rule have always been boss/owner/landlord types. I don't much care what they look like, or where they were born, class is class afterall, it's the only divide that matters, and those few obnoxious, arrogant examples generally have no trouble convincing me they're on the other side.

Which brings me ramblingly, (yet neatly) to the third point I'd like to throw into the mix. Where are your jobs really going? Because let me tell you, if you think immigrants are picking your pockets, then you're completely oblivious to the strip mining operation going on right under your nose.

A case in point from my own experience. My last employer before I moved to Wales two years ago, was a small, profitable company. They employed twenty one staff, and reported clear profits of £3 million in the year previous to the one I left. Five of those staff were foreign, four Polish, one Brazilian. I can see how it would be easy to think that immigration has claimed a quarter of the jobs, but why ignore the owner? The man who has kept enough of the profit (surplus labour) to himself to employ 150 people on £20k/year surely deserves a little more of your anger than, essentially, ordinary working class wage/benefit slaves like most of the rest of us?

I mean, it's not like it's a lone example. It's a fairly typical portrayal of thousands of businesses up and down the country. The wealthy few are keeping enough to themselves to eradicate unemployment, probably many times over, and like Mel Gibson says in Braveheart, a film that surely stirs up emotion in all you proud Welshfolk out there,

"You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

Just look at the figures, 8% increase in UK millionaires the last two years. 210 new billionaires in the world in the last twelve months. You want to know where your jobs are going? It's all over the headlines, just put two and two together ffs.

Incidently, I mentioned the last job before moving to Wales because both of my employers since have been foreign companies. Looking quite likely that my third will be too. Now, as much as I'm grateful to them, on one level, for the opportunity to earn my living, it can't be ignored that these too are immigrants, no? Sacrificing British jobs, increasing capital flight, for profit margins? yet where is the condemnation and outcry? You all seem strangely silent on that score out there in your nationalist, xenophobic bubbles.

I'll finish by saying that, in case you hadn't got the message by now, immigrants are not your enemy, they certainly aren't the cause of your problems, and I fervently wish you'd all just STFU about it because you people make my head hurt.

thanks.

you,re just not getting it!!!!! ITS NUMBERS Mass immigration puts HUGE strain on housing.schools health services e.t.c

Sadly the free movement of people is enshrined in law by the damned EU

Funny though, its all ONE WAY......WEST!!!!

I think I've got it, we send our unemployed to Europe and let them monopolise jobs there... if they cannot get work then claim allowances there instead of here, after all it is what THEY do. Fair's fair !

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
Sigh. I'm just going to copy and paste this from where I posted it earlier. E. Price and Welshmen, you can both add yourselves to the list of intended recipients.

Couldn't agree more Howie. I too am sick and tired of listening to narrow minded bigots, like you coalpicker, whining on about immigration and jobs. It may take a JCB to perform the operation, (for you coalpicker, and all the others like you out there in xenophobialand), but I have somem time on my hands, let's see if we can't remove your head from your backside, without the aid of horsepower and four wheeled drive first eh?

Firstly, let me just say that I'm a working class, white British male. I was born here. I've lived and worked in the UK almost my whole life. Every generation of my family tree, (far back as I know), have likewise been British. I come from a long line of good, solid, English stock.

Secondly, in the near forty years I've been alive, and the twenty five or so of my professional career, I've met scores to hundreds of foreign nationals, from dozens of countries, living and working here, in the UK. The overwhelming majority of them have been friendly, decent, hardworking etc... Many have been a pleasure to know, and have enriched my life considerably. Their company is certainly preferable to many of the natives I've met with whom I share a pedigree. The exceptions to the rule have always been boss/owner/landlord types. I don't much care what they look like, or where they were born, class is class afterall, it's the only divide that matters, and those few obnoxious, arrogant examples generally have no trouble convincing me they're on the other side.

Which brings me ramblingly, (yet neatly) to the third point I'd like to throw into the mix. Where are your jobs really going? Because let me tell you, if you think immigrants are picking your pockets, then you're completely oblivious to the strip mining operation going on right under your nose.

A case in point from my own experience. My last employer before I moved to Wales two years ago, was a small, profitable company. They employed twenty one staff, and reported clear profits of £3 million in the year previous to the one I left. Five of those staff were foreign, four Polish, one Brazilian. I can see how it would be easy to think that immigration has claimed a quarter of the jobs, but why ignore the owner? The man who has kept enough of the profit (surplus labour) to himself to employ 150 people on £20k/year surely deserves a little more of your anger than, essentially, ordinary working class wage/benefit slaves like most of the rest of us?

I mean, it's not like it's a lone example. It's a fairly typical portrayal of thousands of businesses up and down the country. The wealthy few are keeping enough to themselves to eradicate unemployment, probably many times over, and like Mel Gibson says in Braveheart, a film that surely stirs up emotion in all you proud Welshfolk out there,

"You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

Just look at the figures, 8% increase in UK millionaires the last two years. 210 new billionaires in the world in the last twelve months. You want to know where your jobs are going? It's all over the headlines, just put two and two together ffs.

Incidently, I mentioned the last job before moving to Wales because both of my employers since have been foreign companies. Looking quite likely that my third will be too. Now, as much as I'm grateful to them, on one level, for the opportunity to earn my living, it can't be ignored that these too are immigrants, no? Sacrificing British jobs, increasing capital flight, for profit margins? yet where is the condemnation and outcry? You all seem strangely silent on that score out there in your nationalist, xenophobic bubbles.

I'll finish by saying that, in case you hadn't got the message by now, immigrants are not your enemy, they certainly aren't the cause of your problems, and I fervently wish you'd all just STFU about it because you people make my head hurt.

thanks.

Is this your Maiden Speech to be selected for a Liberal candidate at the next General election? you may not agree with my opinion or my thoughts on a way forward to make this country a better place for our citizens.

Lets get one thing straight i don't blame immigrants coming to this Country i would probably do the same in there circumstances, i blame the people who make those desigens

We have millions here in this Country out of work, we don't need millions coming here to work from the EU or the rest of the worlds labour market, the reason they are allowed to come here is to get rid of our British ness

vote for UKIP if you feel strongly and thing apart from labour

Howie' wrote:
Ha, well said Karma, I hadn't seen that earlier. It's always been a mystery to me that we accuse the East Europeans of nicking our jobs but when someone like Dyson for example shuts down a factory in this country putting thousands out of work because he can make even more money by taking his production to China, no one has a bad word to say about him....they even continue to buy his products.

So Dyson would have to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East but for him, with European labour costs. So, had he carried on over here and chucked all his workforce on the dole and gone out of business, that benefits who exactly? You either agree with free markets or you don't.

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
Sigh. I'm just going to copy and paste this from where I posted it earlier. E. Price and Welshmen, you can both add yourselves to the list of intended recipients.

Couldn't agree more Howie. I too am sick and tired of listening to narrow minded bigots, like you coalpicker, whining on about immigration and jobs. It may take a JCB to perform the operation, (for you coalpicker, and all the others like you out there in xenophobialand), but I have somem time on my hands, let's see if we can't remove your head from your backside, without the aid of horsepower and four wheeled drive first eh?

Firstly, let me just say that I'm a working class, white British male. I was born here. I've lived and worked in the UK almost my whole life. Every generation of my family tree, (far back as I know), have likewise been British. I come from a long line of good, solid, English stock.

Secondly, in the near forty years I've been alive, and the twenty five or so of my professional career, I've met scores to hundreds of foreign nationals, from dozens of countries, living and working here, in the UK. The overwhelming majority of them have been friendly, decent, hardworking etc... Many have been a pleasure to know, and have enriched my life considerably. Their company is certainly preferable to many of the natives I've met with whom I share a pedigree. The exceptions to the rule have always been boss/owner/landlord types. I don't much care what they look like, or where they were born, class is class afterall, it's the only divide that matters, and those few obnoxious, arrogant examples generally have no trouble convincing me they're on the other side.

Which brings me ramblingly, (yet neatly) to the third point I'd like to throw into the mix. Where are your jobs really going? Because let me tell you, if you think immigrants are picking your pockets, then you're completely oblivious to the strip mining operation going on right under your nose.

A case in point from my own experience. My last employer before I moved to Wales two years ago, was a small, profitable company. They employed twenty one staff, and reported clear profits of £3 million in the year previous to the one I left. Five of those staff were foreign, four Polish, one Brazilian. I can see how it would be easy to think that immigration has claimed a quarter of the jobs, but why ignore the owner? The man who has kept enough of the profit (surplus labour) to himself to employ 150 people on £20k/year surely deserves a little more of your anger than, essentially, ordinary working class wage/benefit slaves like most of the rest of us?

I mean, it's not like it's a lone example. It's a fairly typical portrayal of thousands of businesses up and down the country. The wealthy few are keeping enough to themselves to eradicate unemployment, probably many times over, and like Mel Gibson says in Braveheart, a film that surely stirs up emotion in all you proud Welshfolk out there,

"You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

Just look at the figures, 8% increase in UK millionaires the last two years. 210 new billionaires in the world in the last twelve months. You want to know where your jobs are going? It's all over the headlines, just put two and two together ffs.

Incidently, I mentioned the last job before moving to Wales because both of my employers since have been foreign companies. Looking quite likely that my third will be too. Now, as much as I'm grateful to them, on one level, for the opportunity to earn my living, it can't be ignored that these too are immigrants, no? Sacrificing British jobs, increasing capital flight, for profit margins? yet where is the condemnation and outcry? You all seem strangely silent on that score out there in your nationalist, xenophobic bubbles.

I'll finish by saying that, in case you hadn't got the message by now, immigrants are not your enemy, they certainly aren't the cause of your problems, and I fervently wish you'd all just STFU about it because you people make my head hurt.

thanks.

Is this your Maiden Speech to be selected for a Liberal candidate at the next General election? you may not agree with my opinion or my thoughts on a way forward to make this country a better place for our citizens but that doesn't worry me.

It wasn't the Welsh-folk squabbling over the scraps from Longshank's table it was the Scottish-folk, this Country called Wales drove the Romans and the English out.

I don't care who you worked for just be thankful you had a job for a short time, a million kids who left school 4 years ago have never had a job, you calling all those kids lazy? you have another 28 years to work before your allowed to claim your state Pension, enjoy...

Most of our industries that made this Country one of the best producers in the world have been run down through lack of investment or sold to foreigners, Arabs are investing here and have been for years i believe they own half of London.

I don't blame immigrants coming to this Country i would probably do the same in there circumstances, i blame the people who make those decisions to allow this to happen, a lot of MP's and some of the Ministers are immigrants or from immigrant families.

We have millions here in this Country out of work, we don't need millions coming here to work from the EU or the rest of the worlds labour market.

This Government and past Governments have the right to print there own money, like Abraham Lincoln did when the Bankers at that time wanted 36% return on the money he wanted to borrow to fight his war, he printed the Governments (Green Back) dollar it worked for him.

I am afraid this will never happen here because the Bankers are Controlling the money, take there money support away from all the LIB LAB and CON and all would be made Bankrupt.

Ask your self why hasn't the bonuses been Stopped? even when they lose billions they still have there bonus because no one in Government has the courage to tell the Bankers enough is enough, they would rather see 000's of our old die through lack of heating during our winters through the fuel cut's....

Howie i don't buy Dyson products, in my eyes he's another traitor....

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Howie' wrote:
Ha, well said Karma, I hadn't seen that earlier. It's always been a mystery to me that we accuse the East Europeans of nicking our jobs but when someone like Dyson for example shuts down a factory in this country putting thousands out of work because he can make even more money by taking his production to China, no one has a bad word to say about him....they even continue to buy his products.

So Dyson would have to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East but for him, with European labour costs. So, had he carried on over here and chucked all his workforce on the dole and gone out of business, that benefits who exactly? You either agree with free markets or you don't.

Oh I agree with free markets, what I don't agree with is abuse of the system. People like Dyson take the grants to set up and develop there business at a cost to the UK taxpayer and then get lured to China, they then take their manufacturing equipment with them so that China can copy it and put it in other factory's. A lot of Asian factory's set up in the UK with grants and as soon as the grant runs out they empty the factory and take it all back home and copy it. This has happened in Newport and all over the UK and NONE of the press report it. That's bad enough but when it is British entrepreneurs like Dyson who have taken the grant and then moved out to China, that stinks. Also ask yourself, Martin, why Germany is the third largest manufacturing country in the world after China and Japan? they pay higher wages for production staff than we do, higher taxes and contribute more to their welfare system but seem to be able to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East? As I said earlier I agree with free markets provided we are all playing according to the same rules.

Howie' wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Howie' wrote:
Ha, well said Karma, I hadn't seen that earlier. It's always been a mystery to me that we accuse the East Europeans of nicking our jobs but when someone like Dyson for example shuts down a factory in this country putting thousands out of work because he can make even more money by taking his production to China, no one has a bad word to say about him....they even continue to buy his products.

So Dyson would have to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East but for him, with European labour costs. So, had he carried on over here and chucked all his workforce on the dole and gone out of business, that benefits who exactly? You either agree with free markets or you don't.

Oh I agree with free markets, what I don't agree with is abuse of the system. People like Dyson take the grants to set up and develop there business at a cost to the UK taxpayer and then get lured to China, they then take their manufacturing equipment with them so that China can copy it and put it in other factory's. A lot of Asian factory's set up in the UK with grants and as soon as the grant runs out they empty the factory and take it all back home and copy it. This has happened in Newport and all over the UK and NONE of the press report it. That's bad enough but when it is British entrepreneurs like Dyson who have taken the grant and then moved out to China, that stinks. Also ask yourself, Martin, why Germany is the third largest manufacturing country in the world after China and Japan? they pay higher wages for production staff than we do, higher taxes and contribute more to their welfare system but seem to be able to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East? As I said earlier I agree with free markets provided we are all playing according to the same rules.

Gotcha. Apologies, I didn't get the point you were making first time around. Yes, Dyson playing the system 'as is'. As many do of course and not their fault. The system is wrong for sure. I'm not sure the Germans compete with Panasonic on a like for like basis. They have cornered the market for a large part of their industry in high end aspirational products, like cars. Four of the most recognised luxury cars in the World all German. I wish we had politicians with the vision to do what they have done but successive governments failed.

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Howie' wrote:

Llanmartinangel wrote:

Howie' wrote:
Ha, well said Karma, I hadn't seen that earlier. It's always been a mystery to me that we accuse the East Europeans of nicking our jobs but when someone like Dyson for example shuts down a factory in this country putting thousands out of work because he can make even more money by taking his production to China, no one has a bad word to say about him....they even continue to buy his products.

So Dyson would have to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East but for him, with European labour costs. So, had he carried on over here and chucked all his workforce on the dole and gone out of business, that benefits who exactly? You either agree with free markets or you don't.

Oh I agree with free markets, what I don't agree with is abuse of the system. People like Dyson take the grants to set up and develop there business at a cost to the UK taxpayer and then get lured to China, they then take their manufacturing equipment with them so that China can copy it and put it in other factory's. A lot of Asian factory's set up in the UK with grants and as soon as the grant runs out they empty the factory and take it all back home and copy it. This has happened in Newport and all over the UK and NONE of the press report it. That's bad enough but when it is British entrepreneurs like Dyson who have taken the grant and then moved out to China, that stinks. Also ask yourself, Martin, why Germany is the third largest manufacturing country in the world after China and Japan? they pay higher wages for production staff than we do, higher taxes and contribute more to their welfare system but seem to be able to compete against Panasonic and anyone else building similar products in the Far East? As I said earlier I agree with free markets provided we are all playing according to the same rules.

Gotcha. Apologies, I didn't get the point you were making first time around. Yes, Dyson playing the system 'as is'. As many do of course and not their fault. The system is wrong for sure. I'm not sure the Germans compete with Panasonic on a like for like basis. They have cornered the market for a large part of their industry in high end aspirational products, like cars. Four of the most recognised luxury cars in the World all German. I wish we had politicians with the vision to do what they have done but successive governments failed.

'I wish we had politicians with the vision to do what they have done but successive governments failed'.

You and me both.

Some years ago I read that when negotiations were taking place for Britain to join the EU that it was agreed we would be a services sector and Germany would be a manufacturing hub, can't find anything about it now so not sure if it's true or not but I often wondered why our old manufacturing industry was allowed to die off whilst Germany invested heavily in rebuilding theirs and no Political Party of any creed has done much to support manufacturing since.

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
Sigh. I'm just going to copy and paste this from where I posted it earlier. E. Price and Welshmen, you can both add yourselves to the list of intended recipients.

Couldn't agree more Howie. I too am sick and tired of listening to narrow minded bigots, like you coalpicker, whining on about immigration and jobs. It may take a JCB to perform the operation, (for you coalpicker, and all the others like you out there in xenophobialand), but I have somem time on my hands, let's see if we can't remove your head from your backside, without the aid of horsepower and four wheeled drive first eh?

Firstly, let me just say that I'm a working class, white British male. I was born here. I've lived and worked in the UK almost my whole life. Every generation of my family tree, (far back as I know), have likewise been British. I come from a long line of good, solid, English stock.

Secondly, in the near forty years I've been alive, and the twenty five or so of my professional career, I've met scores to hundreds of foreign nationals, from dozens of countries, living and working here, in the UK. The overwhelming majority of them have been friendly, decent, hardworking etc... Many have been a pleasure to know, and have enriched my life considerably. Their company is certainly preferable to many of the natives I've met with whom I share a pedigree. The exceptions to the rule have always been boss/owner/landlord types. I don't much care what they look like, or where they were born, class is class afterall, it's the only divide that matters, and those few obnoxious, arrogant examples generally have no trouble convincing me they're on the other side.

Which brings me ramblingly, (yet neatly) to the third point I'd like to throw into the mix. Where are your jobs really going? Because let me tell you, if you think immigrants are picking your pockets, then you're completely oblivious to the strip mining operation going on right under your nose.

A case in point from my own experience. My last employer before I moved to Wales two years ago, was a small, profitable company. They employed twenty one staff, and reported clear profits of £3 million in the year previous to the one I left. Five of those staff were foreign, four Polish, one Brazilian. I can see how it would be easy to think that immigration has claimed a quarter of the jobs, but why ignore the owner? The man who has kept enough of the profit (surplus labour) to himself to employ 150 people on £20k/year surely deserves a little more of your anger than, essentially, ordinary working class wage/benefit slaves like most of the rest of us?

I mean, it's not like it's a lone example. It's a fairly typical portrayal of thousands of businesses up and down the country. The wealthy few are keeping enough to themselves to eradicate unemployment, probably many times over, and like Mel Gibson says in Braveheart, a film that surely stirs up emotion in all you proud Welshfolk out there,

"You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

Just look at the figures, 8% increase in UK millionaires the last two years. 210 new billionaires in the world in the last twelve months. You want to know where your jobs are going? It's all over the headlines, just put two and two together ffs.

Incidently, I mentioned the last job before moving to Wales because both of my employers since have been foreign companies. Looking quite likely that my third will be too. Now, as much as I'm grateful to them, on one level, for the opportunity to earn my living, it can't be ignored that these too are immigrants, no? Sacrificing British jobs, increasing capital flight, for profit margins? yet where is the condemnation and outcry? You all seem strangely silent on that score out there in your nationalist, xenophobic bubbles.

I'll finish by saying that, in case you hadn't got the message by now, immigrants are not your enemy, they certainly aren't the cause of your problems, and I fervently wish you'd all just STFU about it because you people make my head hurt.

thanks.

An interesting read but, short of painting one's face blue and shouting loudly in a bad Scottish accent, I'm not sure what we should do with that information. The system is what it is in that, since the dawn of time if someone wanted to amass some savings by working hard then by and large, they did. There's no way of forcing them to employ people with it. There is probably merit in a new idea which may limit the benefits you can claim when you turn up here until you have contributed but getting the rest of the EU to swallow that one is probably a forlorn hope. One thing is certain is that we could not be more ill placed as a country to accommodate a large influx as the pressures on social housing and the benefit system are definitely showing, even without them.

welshmen wrote:
KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
Sigh. I'm just going to copy and paste this from where I posted it earlier. E. Price and Welshmen, you can both add yourselves to the list of intended recipients.

Couldn't agree more Howie. I too am sick and tired of listening to narrow minded bigots, like you coalpicker, whining on about immigration and jobs. It may take a JCB to perform the operation, (for you coalpicker, and all the others like you out there in xenophobialand), but I have somem time on my hands, let's see if we can't remove your head from your backside, without the aid of horsepower and four wheeled drive first eh?

Firstly, let me just say that I'm a working class, white British male. I was born here. I've lived and worked in the UK almost my whole life. Every generation of my family tree, (far back as I know), have likewise been British. I come from a long line of good, solid, English stock.

Secondly, in the near forty years I've been alive, and the twenty five or so of my professional career, I've met scores to hundreds of foreign nationals, from dozens of countries, living and working here, in the UK. The overwhelming majority of them have been friendly, decent, hardworking etc... Many have been a pleasure to know, and have enriched my life considerably. Their company is certainly preferable to many of the natives I've met with whom I share a pedigree. The exceptions to the rule have always been boss/owner/landlord types. I don't much care what they look like, or where they were born, class is class afterall, it's the only divide that matters, and those few obnoxious, arrogant examples generally have no trouble convincing me they're on the other side.

Which brings me ramblingly, (yet neatly) to the third point I'd like to throw into the mix. Where are your jobs really going? Because let me tell you, if you think immigrants are picking your pockets, then you're completely oblivious to the strip mining operation going on right under your nose.

A case in point from my own experience. My last employer before I moved to Wales two years ago, was a small, profitable company. They employed twenty one staff, and reported clear profits of £3 million in the year previous to the one I left. Five of those staff were foreign, four Polish, one Brazilian. I can see how it would be easy to think that immigration has claimed a quarter of the jobs, but why ignore the owner? The man who has kept enough of the profit (surplus labour) to himself to employ 150 people on £20k/year surely deserves a little more of your anger than, essentially, ordinary working class wage/benefit slaves like most of the rest of us?

I mean, it's not like it's a lone example. It's a fairly typical portrayal of thousands of businesses up and down the country. The wealthy few are keeping enough to themselves to eradicate unemployment, probably many times over, and like Mel Gibson says in Braveheart, a film that surely stirs up emotion in all you proud Welshfolk out there,

"You're so concerned with squabbling for the scraps from Longshank's table that you've missed your God given right to something better."

Just look at the figures, 8% increase in UK millionaires the last two years. 210 new billionaires in the world in the last twelve months. You want to know where your jobs are going? It's all over the headlines, just put two and two together ffs.

Incidently, I mentioned the last job before moving to Wales because both of my employers since have been foreign companies. Looking quite likely that my third will be too. Now, as much as I'm grateful to them, on one level, for the opportunity to earn my living, it can't be ignored that these too are immigrants, no? Sacrificing British jobs, increasing capital flight, for profit margins? yet where is the condemnation and outcry? You all seem strangely silent on that score out there in your nationalist, xenophobic bubbles.

I'll finish by saying that, in case you hadn't got the message by now, immigrants are not your enemy, they certainly aren't the cause of your problems, and I fervently wish you'd all just STFU about it because you people make my head hurt.

thanks.Is this your Maiden Speech to be selected for a Liberal candidate at the next General election? you may not agree with my opinion or my thoughts on a way forward to make this country a better place for our citizens but that doesn't worry me.

It wasn't the Welsh-folk squabbling over the scraps from Longshank's table it was the Scottish-folk, this Country called Wales drove the Romans and the English out.

I don't care who you worked for just be thankful you had a job for a short time, a million kids who left school 4 years ago have never had a job, you calling all those kids lazy? you have another 28 years to work before your allowed to claim your state Pension, enjoy...

Most of our industries that made this Country one of the best producers in the world have been run down through lack of investment or sold to foreigners, Arabs are investing here and have been for years i believe they own half of London.

I don't blame immigrants coming to this Country i would probably do the same in there circumstances, i blame the people who make those decisions to allow this to happen, a lot of MP's and some of the Ministers are immigrants or from immigrant families.

We have millions here in this Country out of work, we don't need millions coming here to work from the EU or the rest of the worlds labour market.

This Government and past Governments have the right to print there own money, like Abraham Lincoln did when the Bankers at that time wanted 36% return on the money he wanted to borrow to fight his war, he printed the Governments (Green Back) dollar it worked for him.

I am afraid this will never happen here because the Bankers are Controlling the money, take there money support away from all the LIB LAB and CON and all would be made Bankrupt.

Ask your self why hasn't the bonuses been Stopped? even when they lose billions they still have there bonus because no one in Government has the courage to tell the Bankers enough is enough, they would rather see 000's of our old die through lack of heating during our winters through the fuel cut's....

Howie i don't buy Dyson products, in my eyes he's another traitor....welshmen wrote: Is this your Maiden Speech to be selected for a Liberal candidate at the next General election? you may not agree with my opinion or my thoughts on a way forward to make this country a better place for our citizens but that doesn't worry me.
Lol...Noooooooo. The only reason I would ever consider such a thing would be to better position myself to tear the whole thing apart. I think representative democracy is an appalling way to manage our lives, (don't even get me started on constitutional monarchy), why the hell everyone continues to give free rein to these lying, cheating, manipulative, destructive, greedy, unscrupulous, self serving, self obsessed, uncaring, over opinionated, elitist, arrogant, incompetent and loathsome buffoons, and allow them to add insult to injury time and time again - well - I have to tell you, it baffles me. The sooner they're all gone, the better off we'll all be.

I certainly don't agree with your opinion. You want to squabble over the little you're allowed by your owners, and implement some bizarre 21st century, working class variety of splendid isolation, (which didn't work out too well the first time). I say **** that! Get rid of the owners, get rid of the borders. No compromise, no wishy-washy reformism, gone. One class, one people. You speak of 'saving the country', me? I'd obliterate it. There'd be nothing left of the world you know in any society I would create. And all you want is 'more of the same please sir, only slightly less hard if you don't mind' You lack vision and ambition my friend.

It wasn't the Welsh-folk squabbling over the scraps from Longshank's table it was the Scottish-folk, this Country called Wales drove the Romans and the English out.
My knowledge of the specifics is a little shaky, (so am happy to be corrected if I post in error), but I'm pretty sure that Longshanks gave the Welsh a pasting, and instituted systems of control in Wales that kept them under heel for more than a century until 1400 AD, when Owain Glyndwr (did I spell that right?), with the help of the French, Brettons and Scots, had a merry old time for a decade or so, giving the English a thrashing. From what I remember, they were doing pretty good until the French dropped out, and Owain got so carried away invading England that he allowed an English army from Ireland to land in Wales and shut down his support/supply network behind him, and thereby sealing the fate of Wales for 600 years.

Is that wjhat you meant by 'driving the English out'? My knowledge of Welsh/Roman history is even worse, but I'm pretty sure the Romans left of their own accord.

I don't care who you worked for just be thankful you had a job for a short time, a million kids who left school 4 years ago have never had a job, you calling all those kids lazy? you have another 28 years to work before your allowed to claim your state Pension, enjoy...

Yes, Welshmen, I called a million kids, that you just brought into the conversation, lazy. Not really sure what sort of time-travelling alternate reality we'd need to live in for that to be true, but I felt like I should at least try and agree with you on something. Although joking aside, if they haven't worked for 4 years then I expect many of them are lazy by now.

The fact remains however that you insist on pushing your xenophobic agenda and decry immigrants as the source of the problem, and they're not. Are they taking British jobs? yes, of course they are, but it's a trickle in the ocean compared to what's being taken as profit by the employers.

I wanted to answer the rest of your post too but I have to get ready for a meeting so maybe later.

Gah, sorry, messed up the bb coding. Let's try again:

welshmen wrote: Is this your Maiden Speech to be selected for a Liberal candidate at the next General election? you may not agree with my opinion or my thoughts on a way forward to make this country a better place for our citizens but that doesn't worry me.
Lol...Noooooooo. The only reason I would ever consider such a thing would be to better position myself to tear the whole thing apart. I think representative democracy is an appalling way to manage our lives, (don't even get me started on constitutional monarchy), why the hell everyone continues to give free rein to these lying, cheating, manipulative, destructive, greedy, unscrupulous, self serving, self obsessed, uncaring, over opinionated, elitist, arrogant, incompetent and loathsome buffoons, and allow them to add insult to injury time and time again - well - I have to tell you, it baffles me. The sooner they're all gone, the better off we'll all be.

I certainly don't agree with your opinion. You want to squabble over the little you're allowed by your owners, and implement some bizarre 21st century, working class variety of splendid isolation, (which didn't work out too well the first time). I say **** that! Get rid of the owners, get rid of the borders. No compromise, no wishy-washy reformism, gone. One class, one people. You speak of 'saving the country', me? I'd obliterate it. There'd be nothing left of the world you know in any society I would create. And all you want is 'more of the same please sir, only slightly less hard if you don't mind' You lack vision and ambition my friend.

It wasn't the Welsh-folk squabbling over the scraps from Longshank's table it was the Scottish-folk, this Country called Wales drove the Romans and the English out.
My knowledge of the specifics is a little shaky, (so am happy to be corrected if I post in error), but I'm pretty sure that Longshanks gave the Welsh a pasting, and instituted systems of control in Wales that kept them under heel for more than a century until 1400 AD, when Owain Glyndwr (did I spell that right?), with the help of the French, Brettons and Scots, had a merry old time for a decade or so, giving the English a thrashing. From what I remember, they were doing pretty good until the French dropped out, and Owain got so carried away invading England that he allowed an English army from Ireland to land in Wales and shut down his support/supply network behind him, and thereby sealing the fate of Wales for 600 years.

Is that wjhat you meant by 'driving the English out'? My knowledge of Welsh/Roman history is even worse, but I'm pretty sure the Romans left of their own accord.

I don't care who you worked for just be thankful you had a job for a short time, a million kids who left school 4 years ago have never had a job, you calling all those kids lazy? you have another 28 years to work before your allowed to claim your state Pension, enjoy...

Yes, Welshmen, I called a million kids, that you just brought into the conversation, lazy. Not really sure what sort of time-travelling alternate reality we'd need to live in for that to be true, but I felt like I should at least try and agree with you on something. Although joking aside, if they haven't worked for 4 years then I expect many of them are lazy by now.

The fact remains however that you insist on pushing your xenophobic agenda and decry immigrants as the source of the problem, and they're not. Are they taking British jobs? yes, of course they are, but it's a trickle in the ocean compared to what's being taken as profit by the employers.

I wanted to answer the rest of your post too but I have to get ready for a meeting so maybe later.

Haha - third time lucky?

welshmen wrote: Is this your Maiden Speech to be selected for a Liberal candidate at the next General election? you may not agree with my opinion or my thoughts on a way forward to make this country a better place for our citizens but that doesn't worry me.

Lol...Noooooooo. The only reason I would ever consider such a thing would be to better position myself to tear the whole thing apart. I think representative democracy is an appalling way to manage our lives, (don't even get me started on constitutional monarchy), why the hell everyone continues to give free rein to these lying, cheating, manipulative, destructive, greedy, unscrupulous, self serving, self obsessed, uncaring, over opinionated, elitist, arrogant, incompetent and loathsome buffoons, and allow them to add insult to injury time and time again - well - I have to tell you, it baffles me. The sooner they're all gone, the better off we'll all be.

I certainly don't agree with your opinion. You want to squabble over the little you're allowed by your owners, and implement some bizarre 21st century, working class variety of splendid isolation, (which didn't work out too well the first time). I say **** that! Get rid of the owners, get rid of the borders. No compromise, no wishy-washy reformism, gone. One class, one people. You speak of 'saving the country', me? I'd obliterate it. There'd be nothing left of the world you know in any society I would create. And all you want is 'more of the same please sir, only slightly less hard if you don't mind' You lack vision and ambition my friend.

It wasn't the Welsh-folk squabbling over the scraps from Longshank's table it was the Scottish-folk, this Country called Wales drove the Romans and the English out.

My knowledge of the specifics is a little shaky, (so am happy to be corrected if I post in error), but I'm pretty sure that Longshanks gave the Welsh a pasting, and instituted systems of control in Wales that kept them under heel for more than a century until 1400 AD, when Owain Glyndwr (did I spell that right?), with the help of the French, Brettons and Scots, had a merry old time for a decade or so, giving the English a thrashing. From what I remember, they were doing pretty good until the French dropped out, and Owain got so carried away invading England that he allowed an English army from Ireland to land in Wales and shut down his support/supply network behind him, and thereby sealing the fate of Wales for 600 years.

Is that wjhat you meant by 'driving the English out'? My knowledge of Welsh/Roman history is even worse, but I'm pretty sure the Romans left of their own accord.

I don't care who you worked for just be thankful you had a job for a short time, a million kids who left school 4 years ago have never had a job, you calling all those kids lazy? you have another 28 years to work before your allowed to claim your state Pension, enjoy...

Yes, Welshmen, I called a million kids, that you just brought into the conversation, lazy. Not really sure what sort of time-travelling alternate reality we'd need to live in for that to be true, but I felt like I should at least try and agree with you on something. Although joking aside, if they haven't worked for 4 years then I expect many of them are lazy by now.

The fact remains however that you insist on pushing your xenophobic agenda and decry immigrants as the source of the problem, and they're not. Are they taking British jobs? yes, of course they are, but it's a trickle in the ocean compared to what's being taken as profit by the employers.

I wanted to answer the rest of your post too but I have to get ready for a meeting so maybe later.

better

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
better

If democracy is not your style why are you still here?.

Are you trying to change our way of living / life too what? what do you want to create in its place?.

If MP's/ Politicians and the Monarchy are your pet hates what other type of Government would you suggest?.

Is a cult religion more to your way for this Countries future?.

Why would you want open borders here, we are already the Center for criminal activity from other countries
including child prostitution, how would you suggest we Police this open boarder way of life?.

Why would you want to obliterate our Country and the world? and for what?.

Whats the difference between Democracy and Xenophobia ?....

welshmen wrote:

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
better

If democracy is not your style why are you still here?.

Are you trying to change our way of living / life too what? what do you want to create in its place?.

If MP's/ Politicians and the Monarchy are your pet hates what other type of Government would you suggest?.

Is a cult religion more to your way for this Countries future?.

Why would you want open borders here, we are already the Center for criminal activity from other countries
including child prostitution, how would you suggest we Police this open boarder way of life?.

Why would you want to obliterate our Country and the world? and for what?.

Whats the difference between Democracy and Xenophobia ?....

you sure sound like an Englishman, unlike the name you write under, and if you do not like Wales then go back were you came from!
janter112

janter112 wrote:

welshmen wrote:

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
better

If democracy is not your style why are you still here?.

Are you trying to change our way of living / life too what? what do you want to create in its place?.

If MP's/ Politicians and the Monarchy are your pet hates what other type of Government would you suggest?.

Is a cult religion more to your way for this Countries future?.

Why would you want open borders here, we are already the Center for criminal activity from other countries
including child prostitution, how would you suggest we Police this open boarder way of life?.

Why would you want to obliterate our Country and the world? and for what?.

Whats the difference between Democracy and Xenophobia ?....

you sure sound like an Englishman, unlike the name you write under, and if you do not like Wales then go back were you came from!
janter112

There's nothing like an intellectual opinion. And that's nothing like one either.

janter112 wrote:

welshmen wrote:

KarmaSuitsYa wrote:
better

If democracy is not your style why are you still here?.

Are you trying to change our way of living / life too what? what do you want to create in its place?.

If MP's/ Politicians and the Monarchy are your pet hates what other type of Government would you suggest?.

Is a cult religion more to your way for this Countries future?.

Why would you want open borders here, we are already the Center for criminal activity from other countries
including child prostitution, how would you suggest we Police this open boarder way of life?.

Why would you want to obliterate our Country and the world? and for what?.

Whats the difference between Democracy and Xenophobia ?....

you sure sound like an Englishman, unlike the name you write under, and if you do not like Wales then go back were you came from!
janter112

I don,t know if you understand, i am replying to Karmasuits, asking if he can answer his reason on the points he made to me ok....