Not so smart

I READ with interest your article (Argus Dec 2) on David Davies asking about the cost of the Smart Meters scheme. Could I warn your readers that these meters are just not so smart.

They can be used to tell the operators how many people are in a house at any one time and which appliances are being used. They can cut you and a whole area off at a moment’s notice without any warning. They can make you ill because they give off radiation. You can get more information from STOP THE METERS campaign and the book “UN Agenda 21 Environmental Piracy” by Dr Ileana Johnson Paugh.

|This Government is telling us we have all got to have these meters installed. Not true, you can refuse to have one in your home. These meters are to spy on you and control what you use.

If your current meters are working well at present, why do we need to change them? It is to control what we do. Be warned.

J Harrold Welsh Christian Party

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2:45pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bloggsy1 says...

I think this God Botherer has been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.
I think this God Botherer has been watching too many episodes of the X-Files. bloggsy1

3:02pm Thu 5 Dec 13

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

I think we should install a smart meter inside Davies' head. Can you imagine how cool it would be to flick him off wirelessly over the internet? Or be able to spy on him so we can see just what it is he actually does all day?
I think we should install a smart meter inside Davies' head. Can you imagine how cool it would be to flick him off wirelessly over the internet? Or be able to spy on him so we can see just what it is he actually does all day? GardenVarietyMushroom

4:16pm Thu 5 Dec 13

whatintheworld says...

bloggsy1 wrote:
I think this God Botherer has been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.
haha!

don't worry guys, they ship with a free tin-foil hat
[quote][p][bold]bloggsy1[/bold] wrote: I think this God Botherer has been watching too many episodes of the X-Files.[/p][/quote]haha! don't worry guys, they ship with a free tin-foil hat whatintheworld

5:34pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

These meters cannot tell how many people are in the house, Smart meters cannot monitor how much each appliance is using although you can buy additional units which will enable you to monitor most but not your main lighting, electric cooker, shower or hot water nor gas appliances
These meters cannot tell how many people are in the house, Smart meters cannot monitor how much each appliance is using although you can buy additional units which will enable you to monitor most but not your main lighting, electric cooker, shower or hot water nor gas appliances Bobevans

8:41pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Maud Crossing says...

Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology.
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -
Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti - Maud Crossing

11:02am Fri 6 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter
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My meter is in a cupboard under the stairs. I could well understand why a plant might not be too healthy after sitting next to it for a few days.

I'm neither for or against smart meters, but I am generally against the eco warrior mindset that automatically says anything new or technological must be evil. I can imagine this person campaigning against thermometers when they first came out as they contained mercury. Or antiseptic conditions in hospital using the theory that anything that kills bacteria MUST be bad for people.
Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter ------------- My meter is in a cupboard under the stairs. I could well understand why a plant might not be too healthy after sitting next to it for a few days. I'm neither for or against smart meters, but I am generally against the eco warrior mindset that automatically says anything new or technological must be evil. I can imagine this person campaigning against thermometers when they first came out as they contained mercury. Or antiseptic conditions in hospital using the theory that anything that kills bacteria MUST be bad for people. _Bryan_

2:56pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

I returned my smart meter to the manufacturers as it couldn’t even make a cup of tea!
I returned my smart meter to the manufacturers as it couldn’t even make a cup of tea! Katie Re-Registered

3:28pm Fri 6 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

Maud Crossing wrote:
Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology.
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -
I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.
[quote][p][bold]Maud Crossing[/bold] wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -[/p][/quote]I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage. smokintheweed

6:40pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Bobevans says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter
-------------
My meter is in a cupboard under the stairs. I could well understand why a plant might not be too healthy after sitting next to it for a few days.

I'm neither for or against smart meters, but I am generally against the eco warrior mindset that automatically says anything new or technological must be evil. I can imagine this person campaigning against thermometers when they first came out as they contained mercury. Or antiseptic conditions in hospital using the theory that anything that kills bacteria MUST be bad for people.
I guess this fool has no TV's radios. PC's etc in his house in fact no electricity. and has no mobile phone


I am sure this green nutters are born without a brain
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter ------------- My meter is in a cupboard under the stairs. I could well understand why a plant might not be too healthy after sitting next to it for a few days. I'm neither for or against smart meters, but I am generally against the eco warrior mindset that automatically says anything new or technological must be evil. I can imagine this person campaigning against thermometers when they first came out as they contained mercury. Or antiseptic conditions in hospital using the theory that anything that kills bacteria MUST be bad for people.[/p][/quote]I guess this fool has no TV's radios. PC's etc in his house in fact no electricity. and has no mobile phone I am sure this green nutters are born without a brain Bobevans

6:49pm Fri 6 Dec 13

thomas35 says...

I had a smart meter installed around 4 years ago by Swalec... It was supposed to transmit my elect and gas energy usage to a central control point. After 2 years it still couldn,t give an accurate elect or gas bill despite many calls to the authority.Eventually I received a letter that the procedure had been discontinued and to destroy the remote energy indicator which was plugged in the kitchen . The Smart meter is still installed and is now being used by another supplier for me to give them meter readings either by phone or by internet!!
I had a smart meter installed around 4 years ago by Swalec... It was supposed to transmit my elect and gas energy usage to a central control point. After 2 years it still couldn,t give an accurate elect or gas bill despite many calls to the authority.Eventually I received a letter that the procedure had been discontinued and to destroy the remote energy indicator which was plugged in the kitchen . The Smart meter is still installed and is now being used by another supplier for me to give them meter readings either by phone or by internet!! thomas35

12:13am Sat 7 Dec 13

Maud Crossing says...

smokintheweed wrote:
Maud Crossing wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -
I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.
Countries like Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, Israel, Russia and China have set exposure limits 100 to 10,000 times less than Australia. This is because they recognise that there can be non-thermal biological effects from electromagnetic radiation at levels below the current exposure limits that we have in Australia.
Some schools in England, France and Canada have dismantled their Wi-Fi and reverted to a wired system due to concerns raised by parents and teachers, and also due to health symptoms experienced by some children.
The recent addition of (wireless) smart meter roll-outs in the Australian State of Victoria is exacerbating WiFi intolerances experienced by growning numbers of school children. The problem is much more acute in the more heavily populated areas of the State where there are thousands of smart meters within close geographical proximity.

http://www.wifi-in-s
chools-australia.org
/p/worldwide.html

It it unlikely that school principals, and many people employed in environments with high amounts of WiFi exposure, would feel the need to resign for reasons thought by some, to be imaginary.

http://www.heraldsun
.com.au/technology/d
r-marietherese-gibso
n-resigns-from-tanga
ra-school-for-girls-
over-wifi-health-wor
ries/story-fni0byb4-
1226729172333
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maud Crossing[/bold] wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -[/p][/quote]I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.[/p][/quote]Countries like Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, Israel, Russia and China have set exposure limits 100 to 10,000 times less than Australia. This is because they recognise that there can be non-thermal biological effects from electromagnetic radiation at levels below the current exposure limits that we have in Australia. Some schools in England, France and Canada have dismantled their Wi-Fi and reverted to a wired system due to concerns raised by parents and teachers, and also due to health symptoms experienced by some children. The recent addition of (wireless) smart meter roll-outs in the Australian State of Victoria is exacerbating WiFi intolerances experienced by growning numbers of school children. The problem is much more acute in the more heavily populated areas of the State where there are thousands of smart meters within close geographical proximity. http://www.wifi-in-s chools-australia.org /p/worldwide.html It it unlikely that school principals, and many people employed in environments with high amounts of WiFi exposure, would feel the need to resign for reasons thought by some, to be imaginary. http://www.heraldsun .com.au/technology/d r-marietherese-gibso n-resigns-from-tanga ra-school-for-girls- over-wifi-health-wor ries/story-fni0byb4- 1226729172333 Maud Crossing

2:26am Sat 7 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

Maud Crossing wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
Maud Crossing wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -
I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.
Countries like Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, Israel, Russia and China have set exposure limits 100 to 10,000 times less than Australia. This is because they recognise that there can be non-thermal biological effects from electromagnetic radiation at levels below the current exposure limits that we have in Australia.
Some schools in England, France and Canada have dismantled their Wi-Fi and reverted to a wired system due to concerns raised by parents and teachers, and also due to health symptoms experienced by some children.
The recent addition of (wireless) smart meter roll-outs in the Australian State of Victoria is exacerbating WiFi intolerances experienced by growning numbers of school children. The problem is much more acute in the more heavily populated areas of the State where there are thousands of smart meters within close geographical proximity.

http://www.wifi-in-s

chools-australia.org

/p/worldwide.html

It it unlikely that school principals, and many people employed in environments with high amounts of WiFi exposure, would feel the need to resign for reasons thought by some, to be imaginary.

http://www.heraldsun

.com.au/technology/d

r-marietherese-gibso

n-resigns-from-tanga

ra-school-for-girls-

over-wifi-health-wor

ries/story-fni0byb4-

1226729172333
You copied and pasted that dross directly from the Australian website you found. As a side note can you verify that the information you ripped off is scientifically accurate?

As for your bee argument I'd have to say that they are on the decline for some reason but WiFi is not one of them. How could you blame technology on the decline of a species when the vast majority of the country is actually countryside which, the last time I checked, lacked WiFi.

You may well start blaming mobile phones but I'll shut you down on that too. Mobile phones only work on a narrow frequency band and because of this only a set number of channels are available in a certain area. The more phones mean the smaller the usable area in between base-stations. Out in the sticks there are less mobile phones, therefore less base-stations, therefore less antennas, therefore less supposedly bee disrupting stuff (Daily Mail?) and yet they still seem to be reducing in number.

You cannot tell me that a few WiFi routers are killing everyone when most people have been around radio or television broadcasting signals or even just about every wave spectrum the sun can throw at us for hundreds of thousands of years. Go away and formulate your own idea before copying and pasting some rubbish you read once that you may think is true.
[quote][p][bold]Maud Crossing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maud Crossing[/bold] wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -[/p][/quote]I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.[/p][/quote]Countries like Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, Israel, Russia and China have set exposure limits 100 to 10,000 times less than Australia. This is because they recognise that there can be non-thermal biological effects from electromagnetic radiation at levels below the current exposure limits that we have in Australia. Some schools in England, France and Canada have dismantled their Wi-Fi and reverted to a wired system due to concerns raised by parents and teachers, and also due to health symptoms experienced by some children. The recent addition of (wireless) smart meter roll-outs in the Australian State of Victoria is exacerbating WiFi intolerances experienced by growning numbers of school children. The problem is much more acute in the more heavily populated areas of the State where there are thousands of smart meters within close geographical proximity. http://www.wifi-in-s chools-australia.org /p/worldwide.html It it unlikely that school principals, and many people employed in environments with high amounts of WiFi exposure, would feel the need to resign for reasons thought by some, to be imaginary. http://www.heraldsun .com.au/technology/d r-marietherese-gibso n-resigns-from-tanga ra-school-for-girls- over-wifi-health-wor ries/story-fni0byb4- 1226729172333[/p][/quote]You copied and pasted that dross directly from the Australian website you found. As a side note can you verify that the information you ripped off is scientifically accurate? As for your bee argument I'd have to say that they are on the decline for some reason but WiFi is not one of them. How could you blame technology on the decline of a species when the vast majority of the country is actually countryside which, the last time I checked, lacked WiFi. You may well start blaming mobile phones but I'll shut you down on that too. Mobile phones only work on a narrow frequency band and because of this only a set number of channels are available in a certain area. The more phones mean the smaller the usable area in between base-stations. Out in the sticks there are less mobile phones, therefore less base-stations, therefore less antennas, therefore less supposedly bee disrupting stuff (Daily Mail?) and yet they still seem to be reducing in number. You cannot tell me that a few WiFi routers are killing everyone when most people have been around radio or television broadcasting signals or even just about every wave spectrum the sun can throw at us for hundreds of thousands of years. Go away and formulate your own idea before copying and pasting some rubbish you read once that you may think is true. smokintheweed

2:26am Sat 7 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

Maud Crossing wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
Maud Crossing wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -
I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.
Countries like Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, Israel, Russia and China have set exposure limits 100 to 10,000 times less than Australia. This is because they recognise that there can be non-thermal biological effects from electromagnetic radiation at levels below the current exposure limits that we have in Australia.
Some schools in England, France and Canada have dismantled their Wi-Fi and reverted to a wired system due to concerns raised by parents and teachers, and also due to health symptoms experienced by some children.
The recent addition of (wireless) smart meter roll-outs in the Australian State of Victoria is exacerbating WiFi intolerances experienced by growning numbers of school children. The problem is much more acute in the more heavily populated areas of the State where there are thousands of smart meters within close geographical proximity.

http://www.wifi-in-s

chools-australia.org

/p/worldwide.html

It it unlikely that school principals, and many people employed in environments with high amounts of WiFi exposure, would feel the need to resign for reasons thought by some, to be imaginary.

http://www.heraldsun

.com.au/technology/d

r-marietherese-gibso

n-resigns-from-tanga

ra-school-for-girls-

over-wifi-health-wor

ries/story-fni0byb4-

1226729172333
You copied and pasted that dross directly from the Australian website you found. As a side note can you verify that the information you ripped off is scientifically accurate?

As for your bee argument I'd have to say that they are on the decline for some reason but WiFi is not one of them. How could you blame technology on the decline of a species when the vast majority of the country is actually countryside which, the last time I checked, lacked WiFi.

You may well start blaming mobile phones but I'll shut you down on that too. Mobile phones only work on a narrow frequency band and because of this only a set number of channels are available in a certain area. The more phones mean the smaller the usable area in between base-stations. Out in the sticks there are less mobile phones, therefore less base-stations, therefore less antennas, therefore less supposedly bee disrupting stuff (Daily Mail?) and yet they still seem to be reducing in number.

You cannot tell me that a few WiFi routers are killing everyone when most people have been around radio or television broadcasting signals or even just about every wave spectrum the sun can throw at us for hundreds of thousands of years. Go away and formulate your own idea before copying and pasting some rubbish you read once that you may think is true.
[quote][p][bold]Maud Crossing[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maud Crossing[/bold] wrote: Wireless smart meters will ultimately contribute to the looming health curse of the 21st century. Utility companies tell you that smart meters are safe. Anything that interferes with the natural biological structure of living things is a threat to human life and all living things. Bees do not return to their hives if their hives are within 80 meters of a smart meter. Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter. Tens of thousands of people worldwide have become sick since smart meters were installed in their homes. Most of these sick people’s beds are within 3 meters of a smart meter. World renowned scientists are warning of the dangers of the harmful effects of ever increasing electromagnetic smog, the invisible silent killer that is becoming impossible to avoid in heavily populated areas of most of the modern world. (Compulsory) smart meters deny people of choice as to how much EMR they wish to be exposed to in their homes – smart meters interacting with other smart meters (meshing) emit almost constant radiation as transmissions to and fro can occur more than a thousand times a day, despite what the utility companies tell you. And unlike your wi-fi equipment, smart meters cannot be turned off. Everyone will ultimately be adversely affected by the escalating culture of smart meter madness, and indeed the increasing trivial use of wireless technology. “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” – Jiddu Krishnamurti -[/p][/quote]I am a qualified electrical engineer and I can confidently say that every word you have wasted your time typing is complete and utter garbage.[/p][/quote]Countries like Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria, Luxembourg, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, Israel, Russia and China have set exposure limits 100 to 10,000 times less than Australia. This is because they recognise that there can be non-thermal biological effects from electromagnetic radiation at levels below the current exposure limits that we have in Australia. Some schools in England, France and Canada have dismantled their Wi-Fi and reverted to a wired system due to concerns raised by parents and teachers, and also due to health symptoms experienced by some children. The recent addition of (wireless) smart meter roll-outs in the Australian State of Victoria is exacerbating WiFi intolerances experienced by growning numbers of school children. The problem is much more acute in the more heavily populated areas of the State where there are thousands of smart meters within close geographical proximity. http://www.wifi-in-s chools-australia.org /p/worldwide.html It it unlikely that school principals, and many people employed in environments with high amounts of WiFi exposure, would feel the need to resign for reasons thought by some, to be imaginary. http://www.heraldsun .com.au/technology/d r-marietherese-gibso n-resigns-from-tanga ra-school-for-girls- over-wifi-health-wor ries/story-fni0byb4- 1226729172333[/p][/quote]You copied and pasted that dross directly from the Australian website you found. As a side note can you verify that the information you ripped off is scientifically accurate? As for your bee argument I'd have to say that they are on the decline for some reason but WiFi is not one of them. How could you blame technology on the decline of a species when the vast majority of the country is actually countryside which, the last time I checked, lacked WiFi. You may well start blaming mobile phones but I'll shut you down on that too. Mobile phones only work on a narrow frequency band and because of this only a set number of channels are available in a certain area. The more phones mean the smaller the usable area in between base-stations. Out in the sticks there are less mobile phones, therefore less base-stations, therefore less antennas, therefore less supposedly bee disrupting stuff (Daily Mail?) and yet they still seem to be reducing in number. You cannot tell me that a few WiFi routers are killing everyone when most people have been around radio or television broadcasting signals or even just about every wave spectrum the sun can throw at us for hundreds of thousands of years. Go away and formulate your own idea before copying and pasting some rubbish you read once that you may think is true. smokintheweed

2:35am Sat 7 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

I really do hate to quote Wikipedia on this one but they do tend to get the major details correct on a lot of things and I check that the sources supplied.

"The World Health Organization has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation as a possible group 2b carcinogen. This group contains possible carcinogens with weaker evidence, at the same level as coffee and automobile exhaust. For example, there have been a number of epidemiological studies of looking for a relationship between cell phone use and brain cancer development, which have been largely inconclusive, save to demonstrate that the effect, if it exists, cannot be a large one."
I really do hate to quote Wikipedia on this one but they do tend to get the major details correct on a lot of things and I check that the sources supplied. "The World Health Organization has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation as a possible group 2b carcinogen.[12][13] This group contains possible carcinogens with weaker evidence, at the same level as coffee and automobile exhaust. For example, there have been a number of epidemiological studies of looking for a relationship between cell phone use and brain cancer development, which have been largely inconclusive, save to demonstrate that the effect, if it exists, cannot be a large one." smokintheweed

3:09am Sat 7 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

Out of interest, you are using the internet to propagate your message so what are you using to accomplish it. WiFi or smartphone?
Out of interest, you are using the internet to propagate your message so what are you using to accomplish it. WiFi or smartphone? smokintheweed

6:44am Sat 7 Dec 13

Maud Crossing says...

It is true that the World Health Organisation has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation as a possible group 2b carcinogen. The International Agency for Research on Cancer announced this in a press release (No 208) on 31 May 2011.
http://www.iarc.fr/e
n/media-centre/pr/20
11/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf

It is worth reading a publication by the California Council on Science and Technology - "Health Impacts of Radio Frequency Exposure From Smart Meters" April 2011.
The report acknowledges, in part, that the non thermal, cumulative or prolonged exposure, effects of radiofrequency emissions are not well understood. It says that additional research is needed to better understand the non-thermal effects. (page 8 of the report discusses this aspect).
http://asset.sce.com
/Documents/Shared/CC
ST.pdf

There is much evidence of increasing nervousness in Governments around the world with regard to the effects of EMR from ever increasing sources of new technologies. it can only be proper that they take a more cautionary approach before hastily injecting more wireless "items of convenience" into their communities.

(I do not have Wi-Fi in my home. My computer is connected via ADSL through the copper phone landline. The splitter, in another room from the computer, has been suitably shielded to reduce the small amount of EMR that it produces. The computer is not left on when not in use)
It is true that the World Health Organisation has classified radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation as a possible group 2b carcinogen. The International Agency for Research on Cancer announced this in a press release (No 208) on 31 May 2011. http://www.iarc.fr/e n/media-centre/pr/20 11/pdfs/pr208_E.pdf It is worth reading a publication by the California Council on Science and Technology - "Health Impacts of Radio Frequency Exposure From Smart Meters" April 2011. The report acknowledges, in part, that the non thermal, cumulative or prolonged exposure, effects of radiofrequency emissions are not well understood. It says that additional research is needed to better understand the non-thermal effects. (page 8 of the report discusses this aspect). http://asset.sce.com /Documents/Shared/CC ST.pdf There is much evidence of increasing nervousness in Governments around the world with regard to the effects of EMR from ever increasing sources of new technologies. it can only be proper that they take a more cautionary approach before hastily injecting more wireless "items of convenience" into their communities. (I do not have Wi-Fi in my home. My computer is connected via ADSL through the copper phone landline. The splitter, in another room from the computer, has been suitably shielded to reduce the small amount of EMR that it produces. The computer is not left on when not in use) Maud Crossing

11:20am Mon 9 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

Astonishing. A group that thrives on the back of research funding comes to the conclusion that more research is needed....
Astonishing. A group that thrives on the back of research funding comes to the conclusion that more research is needed.... _Bryan_

4:15pm Mon 9 Dec 13

whatintheworld says...

Bobevans wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote: Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter ------------- My meter is in a cupboard under the stairs. I could well understand why a plant might not be too healthy after sitting next to it for a few days. I'm neither for or against smart meters, but I am generally against the eco warrior mindset that automatically says anything new or technological must be evil. I can imagine this person campaigning against thermometers when they first came out as they contained mercury. Or antiseptic conditions in hospital using the theory that anything that kills bacteria MUST be bad for people.
I guess this fool has no TV's radios. PC's etc in his house in fact no electricity. and has no mobile phone I am sure this green nutters are born without a brain
just want to point out that "eco wariors"/"green nutters" are FOR smart meters,

youre getting mixed up
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Some ornamental plants do not survive longer than a few days when placed within 2 meters of a smart meter ------------- My meter is in a cupboard under the stairs. I could well understand why a plant might not be too healthy after sitting next to it for a few days. I'm neither for or against smart meters, but I am generally against the eco warrior mindset that automatically says anything new or technological must be evil. I can imagine this person campaigning against thermometers when they first came out as they contained mercury. Or antiseptic conditions in hospital using the theory that anything that kills bacteria MUST be bad for people.[/p][/quote]I guess this fool has no TV's radios. PC's etc in his house in fact no electricity. and has no mobile phone I am sure this green nutters are born without a brain[/p][/quote]just want to point out that "eco wariors"/"green nutters" are FOR smart meters, youre getting mixed up whatintheworld

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