Lunar future

ALL THE pitfalls facing the electorate of South Wales today are of their own making.

The latest shining example is being the failed education system where the majority of school leavers are not just uneducated, but unemployable for the jobs that matter, the money wasted on the Welsh language playing a large part in this failure.

As long as the ignorant majority keep voting Labour we can’t expect any other result, only failure.

An independent Wales? We would be better off volunteering to be the first settlers on the moon.

Norman Jones Preseli Close Risca

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12:51pm Fri 6 Dec 13

On the inside says...

If I am ignorant for voting Labour then you must be the Tory Vermin Nye was referring to.
If I am ignorant for voting Labour then you must be the Tory Vermin Nye was referring to. On the inside

2:21pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Realist UK says...

The WAG prefer the subsidy of free prescriptions over education. Lefty logic.
The WAG prefer the subsidy of free prescriptions over education. Lefty logic. Realist UK

4:11pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

On the inside wrote:
If I am ignorant for voting Labour then you must be the Tory Vermin Nye was referring to.
It amuses the hell out of me that you refer to Tories as 'vermin' as though the modern Labour party are some kind of reincarnation of Mother Theresa. I'm not entirely sure that the probably well intentioned founders of the red flag fraternity would be hugely impressed with the current raft of millionaires in the shadow cabinet or time serving councillors and WAG incumbents. Indeed, comparing that rum lot to rodents might well bring writs for slander from the genuine and furry grey variety.
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: If I am ignorant for voting Labour then you must be the Tory Vermin Nye was referring to.[/p][/quote]It amuses the hell out of me that you refer to Tories as 'vermin' as though the modern Labour party are some kind of reincarnation of Mother Theresa. I'm not entirely sure that the probably well intentioned founders of the red flag fraternity would be hugely impressed with the current raft of millionaires in the shadow cabinet or time serving councillors and WAG incumbents. Indeed, comparing that rum lot to rodents might well bring writs for slander from the genuine and furry grey variety. Llanmartinangel

4:29pm Fri 6 Dec 13

whatintheworld says...

NORMAN! SPEAK UP MATE!

CANT HEAR YOU FROM UP THERE ON YOUR HIGH HORSE!
NORMAN! SPEAK UP MATE! CANT HEAR YOU FROM UP THERE ON YOUR HIGH HORSE! whatintheworld

6:50pm Fri 6 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

here here a FANTASTIC letter the WAG has been a huge costly spectacular failure
here here a FANTASTIC letter the WAG has been a huge costly spectacular failure scraptheWAG

6:53pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Mervyn James says...

Teething issues :)
Teething issues :) Mervyn James

8:27pm Fri 6 Dec 13

county mad says...

On the inside wrote:
If I am ignorant for voting Labour then you must be the Tory Vermin Nye was referring to.
Feral labour are you? Its facist lefties like you who support the shocking waste of money nu-liebor is responsible for,or is it the tory vermin who bought a loss making airport or wasted a million pounds on biclingual signage in RGH?
[quote][p][bold]On the inside[/bold] wrote: If I am ignorant for voting Labour then you must be the Tory Vermin Nye was referring to.[/p][/quote]Feral labour are you? Its facist lefties like you who support the shocking waste of money nu-liebor is responsible for,or is it the tory vermin who bought a loss making airport or wasted a million pounds on biclingual signage in RGH? county mad

9:44pm Fri 6 Dec 13

pwlldu says...

Its Labour that put this country in this mess and the Tories couldn't wait to cut public services.
Its Labour that put this country in this mess and the Tories couldn't wait to cut public services. pwlldu

9:56pm Fri 6 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

yeah we know vote labour your father voted labour
yeah we know vote labour your father voted labour scraptheWAG

9:57pm Fri 6 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

At a time when services are being cut the WAG announce that 5 million yes 5 million is to be spent extra on welsh language/
At a time when services are being cut the WAG announce that 5 million yes 5 million is to be spent extra on welsh language/ scraptheWAG

11:53pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Frankfurt says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
At a time when services are being cut the WAG announce that 5 million yes 5 million is to be spent extra on welsh language/
Pales to insignifigance compared with the £90 million being spent on shops in Newport.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: At a time when services are being cut the WAG announce that 5 million yes 5 million is to be spent extra on welsh language/[/p][/quote]Pales to insignifigance compared with the £90 million being spent on shops in Newport. Frankfurt

11:07am Sat 7 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

Frankfurt wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
At a time when services are being cut the WAG announce that 5 million yes 5 million is to be spent extra on welsh language/
Pales to insignifigance compared with the £90 million being spent on shops in Newport.
which pales into insignificance with the 400 million pa it takes to run the WAG the old welsh office just 70 million pa. waste on a massive scale. 100 million per annum to fund the welsh language!

I am in favour of the investment in newport its about time some money was spent on the town.
[quote][p][bold]Frankfurt[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: At a time when services are being cut the WAG announce that 5 million yes 5 million is to be spent extra on welsh language/[/p][/quote]Pales to insignifigance compared with the £90 million being spent on shops in Newport.[/p][/quote]which pales into insignificance with the 400 million pa it takes to run the WAG the old welsh office just 70 million pa. waste on a massive scale. 100 million per annum to fund the welsh language! I am in favour of the investment in newport its about time some money was spent on the town. scraptheWAG

2:24pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

Most of these comments show that 1) Having WAG is an extremely costly and jobs for the boys outfit; 2) And they want more AMs to add to the coist!; 3) Labour when in power are as equally bad or good as the Cons; 4) Labour voting is like a part of the bible for many parts of Wales.
It's all a farce as we are dreadfully overgoverned by public bodies from community councils to PARLIAMENT. All on good fat wages.
Most of these comments show that 1) Having WAG is an extremely costly and jobs for the boys outfit; 2) And they want more AMs to add to the coist!; 3) Labour when in power are as equally bad or good as the Cons; 4) Labour voting is like a part of the bible for many parts of Wales. It's all a farce as we are dreadfully overgoverned by public bodies from community councils to PARLIAMENT. All on good fat wages. Banjalucka

8:33pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

Voting Labour is not part of the bible here, loathing and hating the Conservatives is. There is a difference
Voting Labour is not part of the bible here, loathing and hating the Conservatives is. There is a difference Mr Angry

8:37pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence
Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence Mr Angry

11:46pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Mr Angry wrote:
Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence
Working well here eh? No really.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence[/p][/quote]Working well here eh? No really. Llanmartinangel

9:34am Sun 8 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

Banjalucka wrote:
Most of these comments show that 1) Having WAG is an extremely costly and jobs for the boys outfit; 2) And they want more AMs to add to the coist!; 3) Labour when in power are as equally bad or good as the Cons; 4) Labour voting is like a part of the bible for many parts of Wales.
It's all a farce as we are dreadfully overgoverned by public bodies from community councils to PARLIAMENT. All on good fat wages.
so true - carwyn and his portly followers and they really are a bunch of fat pigs have done very nicely out of devolution large salaries and fantastic pensions at huge cost to the taxpayer now we are paying the price libraries to shut one day a week etc.
[quote][p][bold]Banjalucka[/bold] wrote: Most of these comments show that 1) Having WAG is an extremely costly and jobs for the boys outfit; 2) And they want more AMs to add to the coist!; 3) Labour when in power are as equally bad or good as the Cons; 4) Labour voting is like a part of the bible for many parts of Wales. It's all a farce as we are dreadfully overgoverned by public bodies from community councils to PARLIAMENT. All on good fat wages.[/p][/quote]so true - carwyn and his portly followers and they really are a bunch of fat pigs have done very nicely out of devolution large salaries and fantastic pensions at huge cost to the taxpayer now we are paying the price libraries to shut one day a week etc. scraptheWAG

12:48pm Sun 8 Dec 13

glyneblee says...

just to clarify. Bevan did not describe the conservatives as vermin, his exact words were "the tory party regards the working class as being less than vermin"
just to clarify. Bevan did not describe the conservatives as vermin, his exact words were "the tory party regards the working class as being less than vermin" glyneblee

7:04am Mon 9 Dec 13

scraptheWAG says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence
Working well here eh? No really.
People up the valleys and newport will be carrying out jihad. strapping bombs to their back and blowing up the conservative offices, they probably take a break from watching Jeremy Kyle to pray to Carwyn Jones with their mats facing the Senedd.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence[/p][/quote]Working well here eh? No really.[/p][/quote]People up the valleys and newport will be carrying out jihad. strapping bombs to their back and blowing up the conservative offices, they probably take a break from watching Jeremy Kyle to pray to Carwyn Jones with their mats facing the Senedd. scraptheWAG

9:44am Mon 9 Dec 13

_Bryan_ says...

Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour.

For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this. _Bryan_

10:07am Mon 9 Dec 13

Mervyn James says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour.

For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.[/p][/quote]On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ? Mervyn James

10:07am Mon 9 Dec 13

Mervyn James says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour.

For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.[/p][/quote]On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ? Mervyn James

10:59am Mon 9 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote:
Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour.

For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?
For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.[/p][/quote]On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?[/p][/quote]For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land. Llanmartinangel

11:55am Mon 9 Dec 13

BassalegCountyFan says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote:
Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour.

For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?
For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.
It was the tories who spent £75 million on a PCC election that no one wanted though. And it was the tories that spent millions on bizarre NHS reorganisation, even though they said they wouldn't in their airbrushed election posters in 2010, and even though the public, including Doctors and Nurses said it was a waste of time. The tories have the financial management skills of a broken Natwest ATM machine.

We should be proud that the people of Wales actually have common sense, and vote for the party that founded NHS, the Welfare State and the Minimum Wage; rather than the party that represents a priveleged few and has flogged off most our national utilities and shut down most of our core industries over the years. The party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie; gets my vote over the party over the party of Eric Pickles, Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne.

There are criticisms to be made of Carwyn Jones, as with any leader (I have some as a Labour supporter)- but I'd take him over the current condem shambles any day of the week.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.[/p][/quote]On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?[/p][/quote]For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.[/p][/quote]It was the tories who spent £75 million on a PCC election that no one wanted though. And it was the tories that spent millions on bizarre NHS reorganisation, even though they said they wouldn't in their airbrushed election posters in 2010, and even though the public, including Doctors and Nurses said it was a waste of time. The tories have the financial management skills of a broken Natwest ATM machine. We should be proud that the people of Wales actually have common sense, and vote for the party that founded NHS, the Welfare State and the Minimum Wage; rather than the party that represents a priveleged few and has flogged off most our national utilities and shut down most of our core industries over the years. The party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie; gets my vote over the party over the party of Eric Pickles, Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne. There are criticisms to be made of Carwyn Jones, as with any leader (I have some as a Labour supporter)- but I'd take him over the current condem shambles any day of the week. BassalegCountyFan

1:10pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mr Angry wrote: Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence
Working well here eh? No really.
People up the valleys and newport will be carrying out jihad. strapping bombs to their back and blowing up the conservative offices, they probably take a break from watching Jeremy Kyle to pray to Carwyn Jones with their mats facing the Senedd.
You quite simply are a one trick moron
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: Voting Labour is not part of the bible in South Wales , not voting Conservative is. There is a diffrence[/p][/quote]Working well here eh? No really.[/p][/quote]People up the valleys and newport will be carrying out jihad. strapping bombs to their back and blowing up the conservative offices, they probably take a break from watching Jeremy Kyle to pray to Carwyn Jones with their mats facing the Senedd.[/p][/quote]You quite simply are a one trick moron Mr Angry

2:21pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Llanmartinangel says...

BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote:
Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour.

For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?
For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.
It was the tories who spent £75 million on a PCC election that no one wanted though. And it was the tories that spent millions on bizarre NHS reorganisation, even though they said they wouldn't in their airbrushed election posters in 2010, and even though the public, including Doctors and Nurses said it was a waste of time. The tories have the financial management skills of a broken Natwest ATM machine.

We should be proud that the people of Wales actually have common sense, and vote for the party that founded NHS, the Welfare State and the Minimum Wage; rather than the party that represents a priveleged few and has flogged off most our national utilities and shut down most of our core industries over the years. The party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie; gets my vote over the party over the party of Eric Pickles, Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne.

There are criticisms to be made of Carwyn Jones, as with any leader (I have some as a Labour supporter)- but I'd take him over the current condem shambles any day of the week.
In case you hadn't noticed, the party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie, has become the rather richer, Blair, Mandleson, Baroness Scotland, Liam Byrne, Harman, Balls, Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Milleband, Vaz, etc who all sit in the millionaire bracket.
[quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.[/p][/quote]On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?[/p][/quote]For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.[/p][/quote]It was the tories who spent £75 million on a PCC election that no one wanted though. And it was the tories that spent millions on bizarre NHS reorganisation, even though they said they wouldn't in their airbrushed election posters in 2010, and even though the public, including Doctors and Nurses said it was a waste of time. The tories have the financial management skills of a broken Natwest ATM machine. We should be proud that the people of Wales actually have common sense, and vote for the party that founded NHS, the Welfare State and the Minimum Wage; rather than the party that represents a priveleged few and has flogged off most our national utilities and shut down most of our core industries over the years. The party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie; gets my vote over the party over the party of Eric Pickles, Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne. There are criticisms to be made of Carwyn Jones, as with any leader (I have some as a Labour supporter)- but I'd take him over the current condem shambles any day of the week.[/p][/quote]In case you hadn't noticed, the party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie, has become the rather richer, Blair, Mandleson, Baroness Scotland, Liam Byrne, Harman, Balls, Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Milleband, Vaz, etc who all sit in the millionaire bracket. Llanmartinangel

3:38pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
BassalegCountyFan wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
_Bryan_ wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.
On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?
For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.
It was the tories who spent £75 million on a PCC election that no one wanted though. And it was the tories that spent millions on bizarre NHS reorganisation, even though they said they wouldn't in their airbrushed election posters in 2010, and even though the public, including Doctors and Nurses said it was a waste of time. The tories have the financial management skills of a broken Natwest ATM machine. We should be proud that the people of Wales actually have common sense, and vote for the party that founded NHS, the Welfare State and the Minimum Wage; rather than the party that represents a priveleged few and has flogged off most our national utilities and shut down most of our core industries over the years. The party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie; gets my vote over the party over the party of Eric Pickles, Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne. There are criticisms to be made of Carwyn Jones, as with any leader (I have some as a Labour supporter)- but I'd take him over the current condem shambles any day of the week.
In case you hadn't noticed, the party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie, has become the rather richer, Blair, Mandleson, Baroness Scotland, Liam Byrne, Harman, Balls, Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Milleband, Vaz, etc who all sit in the millionaire bracket.
I'm ashamed to say I agree with you, no member of either Front Bench has earned their money, come to think of it has any of them (Lab, Con, Lib) has ever done a days work in their lives.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BassalegCountyFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: Its long been accepted that the richer areas of the UK tend to vote Conservative while the poorer areas vote Labour. For years, I assumed that a particular area would return a labour candidate because it was poor but maybe I was looking at it the wrong way. Could it be that these areas are poor BECAUSE they vote labour? South Wales would seem to be a prime example of this.[/p][/quote]On that basis we can rest easy the Tories will never be a force in Wales,but, who KEEPS them poor ? Easy to blame Labour, but they can only spend what the tories in England give them, they penalise welsh people because we vote labour, that is tory fairness. ?[/p][/quote]For crying out loud. It wasn't the Tories who spent £52m on a failing airport. That policy was supported by Labour and Plaid. If you are telling me that professionals couldn't identify hundreds of millions wasted in Wales I'll tell you you're in cloud cuckoo land.[/p][/quote]It was the tories who spent £75 million on a PCC election that no one wanted though. And it was the tories that spent millions on bizarre NHS reorganisation, even though they said they wouldn't in their airbrushed election posters in 2010, and even though the public, including Doctors and Nurses said it was a waste of time. The tories have the financial management skills of a broken Natwest ATM machine. We should be proud that the people of Wales actually have common sense, and vote for the party that founded NHS, the Welfare State and the Minimum Wage; rather than the party that represents a priveleged few and has flogged off most our national utilities and shut down most of our core industries over the years. The party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie; gets my vote over the party over the party of Eric Pickles, Jeremy Hunt and Gideon Osborne. There are criticisms to be made of Carwyn Jones, as with any leader (I have some as a Labour supporter)- but I'd take him over the current condem shambles any day of the week.[/p][/quote]In case you hadn't noticed, the party of Bevan, Bevin, Atlee, Castle, Benn, Skinner, Hardie, has become the rather richer, Blair, Mandleson, Baroness Scotland, Liam Byrne, Harman, Balls, Yvette Cooper, Hilary Benn, Milleband, Vaz, etc who all sit in the millionaire bracket.[/p][/quote]I'm ashamed to say I agree with you, no member of either Front Bench has earned their money, come to think of it has any of them (Lab, Con, Lib) has ever done a days work in their lives. Mr Angry

8:28pm Mon 9 Dec 13

blackandamber says...

If you vote Labour into power at the next election after what they have done to this country in their last thirteen years in power you deserve all you get . Wise up Wales
If you vote Labour into power at the next election after what they have done to this country in their last thirteen years in power you deserve all you get . Wise up Wales blackandamber

10:38pm Mon 9 Dec 13

Mr Angry says...

blackandamber wrote:
If you vote Labour into power at the next election after what they have done to this country in their last thirteen years in power you deserve all you get . Wise up Wales
My choice has been made, I will not be voting. No one is worth voting for.
Labour got us in the mess with the help of the banks.
Tories have made me poorer, taken away rights in the workplace, vote for them anyway.
Libs sold out for power
Plaid not a nationalist
UKIP a joke bunch of butters and loons.
Don't vote its the only way forward
[quote][p][bold]blackandamber[/bold] wrote: If you vote Labour into power at the next election after what they have done to this country in their last thirteen years in power you deserve all you get . Wise up Wales[/p][/quote]My choice has been made, I will not be voting. No one is worth voting for. Labour got us in the mess with the help of the banks. Tories have made me poorer, taken away rights in the workplace, vote for them anyway. Libs sold out for power Plaid not a nationalist UKIP a joke bunch of butters and loons. Don't vote its the only way forward Mr Angry

10:15am Tue 10 Dec 13

white white says...

For all the infighting on this post ,there's one fact
That s very very clear .the torys will never have
A majority in Wales ,in the upcoming future ,they
The down to earth Welsh simply detest the conservative
Policy and attitude
For all the infighting on this post ,there's one fact That s very very clear .the torys will never have A majority in Wales ,in the upcoming future ,they The down to earth Welsh simply detest the conservative Policy and attitude white white

10:31am Tue 10 Dec 13

Stevenboy says...

white white wrote:
For all the infighting on this post ,there's one fact
That s very very clear .the torys will never have
A majority in Wales ,in the upcoming future ,they
The down to earth Welsh simply detest the conservative
Policy and attitude
And has already been said in this thread, that attitude is working really well here isn't it. Not. Worst schools, worst hospitals, self-serving incompetent administration and all the employment prospects are for the Cardiff Bay gas factory. Some people will go on voting Labour while the rags on their backsides are beating their brains out.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: For all the infighting on this post ,there's one fact That s very very clear .the torys will never have A majority in Wales ,in the upcoming future ,they The down to earth Welsh simply detest the conservative Policy and attitude[/p][/quote]And has already been said in this thread, that attitude is working really well here isn't it. Not. Worst schools, worst hospitals, self-serving incompetent administration and all the employment prospects are for the Cardiff Bay gas factory. Some people will go on voting Labour while the rags on their backsides are beating their brains out. Stevenboy

2:55pm Tue 10 Dec 13

blackandamber says...

white white wrote:
For all the infighting on this post ,there's one fact
That s very very clear .the torys will never have
A majority in Wales ,in the upcoming future ,they
The down to earth Welsh simply detest the conservative
Policy and attitude
Well just keep on voting for the champagne socialists they will keep you poor because its in their interest to do so.
[quote][p][bold]white white[/bold] wrote: For all the infighting on this post ,there's one fact That s very very clear .the torys will never have A majority in Wales ,in the upcoming future ,they The down to earth Welsh simply detest the conservative Policy and attitude[/p][/quote]Well just keep on voting for the champagne socialists they will keep you poor because its in their interest to do so. blackandamber

4:49pm Sun 15 Dec 13

varteg1 says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Teething issues :)
Yup! and it's our teeth being yanked out.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Teething issues :)[/p][/quote]Yup! and it's our teeth being yanked out. varteg1

7:12pm Tue 17 Dec 13

Mervyn James says...

I will vote anyone bar the tories end of, if you want differently, that is what the ballot box is for, you know how to solve your issues yourself, but insist on blaming people who didin't agree with you. Young people can't be botherd to vote, old people will, the ones in-between just complain. I'm bored with the Mr Angry's and scrap the Wag arguments what I voted for I got, I'm happy enough with it, at least I don't have to go to London to take my political representatives to issue just to be ignored. In fact the only people who ignored my concers were welsh MP's, not AM's. It is working from where I stand. The issue is keeping tories out, that's my bottom line. I accept the ballot box decisions, seems others don't.
I will vote anyone bar the tories end of, if you want differently, that is what the ballot box is for, you know how to solve your issues yourself, but insist on blaming people who didin't agree with you. Young people can't be botherd to vote, old people will, the ones in-between just complain. I'm bored with the Mr Angry's and scrap the Wag arguments what I voted for I got, I'm happy enough with it, at least I don't have to go to London to take my political representatives to issue just to be ignored. In fact the only people who ignored my concers were welsh MP's, not AM's. It is working from where I stand. The issue is keeping tories out, that's my bottom line. I accept the ballot box decisions, seems others don't. Mervyn James

4:10pm Fri 20 Dec 13

Poolerkev says...

glyneblee wrote:
just to clarify. Bevan did not describe the conservatives as vermin, his exact words were "the tory party regards the working class as being less than vermin"
Wrong, on July 3rd 1948 at the Bellvue Hotel, he did indeed call them lower than vermin..lol google it.... Before making a dick of yourself.
[quote][p][bold]glyneblee[/bold] wrote: just to clarify. Bevan did not describe the conservatives as vermin, his exact words were "the tory party regards the working class as being less than vermin"[/p][/quote]Wrong, on July 3rd 1948 at the Bellvue Hotel, he did indeed call them lower than vermin..lol google it.... Before making a dick of yourself. Poolerkev

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