Peace and love

“BLESSED are the peacemakers; for they shall be called the children of God.

“Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness; for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” (Mathew 5:9-10) Being an Ahmadi Muslim, I believe that Jesus (peace be upon him ) was a prophet of God who was a peacemaker.

His message was entirely based on peace and love. The task assigned to Jesus was to transform the deviated people of his time into kind and peace loving people again and bring them back to God.

As is the case of every prophet of God, Jesus was opposed in his mission. People tried to put an end to his message, but in spite of all this, he continued his mission of peace.

His main teachings to his disciples were to acquire their earning lawfully and honestly, which should be spent in the service of the needy and the poor. He taught them meekness and humility. He laid great stress upon mercy and forgiveness.

The Ahmadiyya community also has the same motto – love for all, hatred for none. The head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, His holiness, Hadhrat Mirza Masoor Ahmad, once said “the world needs Peace, Love and Brotherhood”.

Amtul Karim Newport

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12:58pm Mon 30 Dec 13

welshmen says...

your Moto, "Love for all hatred for none" nice if true, tell me why Muslims are killing thousands of non Muslim's every month year in year out, only yesterday and today bombers killed over thirty innocent people in Russia, injured loads more.

In Nigeria before Christmas over forty Christians killed in a bomb attack at a Church, in our Country December 2013 Andrew Choudary on our streets telling his Muslims to hate us because of all the Muslims killed by us, your Holy book states to kill non believers Infidels kaffurs.

Your Muslim brothers murdered a British Soldier, the hate and death threats never end, you don't marry into out Culture which is British, British Country British culture, instead you get other faiths males or females to convert to Islam, that's because you hate other faiths not love them, if you loved them as you say you love all people you would marry them without them having to change or convert to Islam.

It's the same in every Country or Europe your faith operates, Islam is no more a Religion than the Mormon's Cult, if any of your fellow Muslims want to leave your Faith they can be killed according to your holly book, that's not love and Peace, you have animals slaughtered with out stunning them first, Halal (lawful) that act is BARBARIC 7th Century ideology the same as your Religion, Islam is not democratic, your Religion is not TOLERANT to Atheism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Zionism, Democracy, Homosexuality, Alcohol, Women's rights and free speech.

Your holy book needs a drastic review, brought up to modern times, ban all Preachers from the Axel of Evil Saudi Arabia, when Muslims are the majority in this Country we wont count for nothing, end of....but that's just mine and millions of other Britons opinion....All you have to do is READ the Koran, then you too will see what I have posted is true....Happy New Year and PEACE to all men/women....
your Moto, "Love for all hatred for none" nice if true, tell me why Muslims are killing thousands of non Muslim's every month year in year out, only yesterday and today bombers killed over thirty innocent people in Russia, injured loads more. In Nigeria before Christmas over forty Christians killed in a bomb attack at a Church, in our Country December 2013 Andrew Choudary on our streets telling his Muslims to hate us because of all the Muslims killed by us, your Holy book states to kill non believers Infidels kaffurs. Your Muslim brothers murdered a British Soldier, the hate and death threats never end, you don't marry into out Culture which is British, British Country British culture, instead you get other faiths males or females to convert to Islam, that's because you hate other faiths not love them, if you loved them as you say you love all people you would marry them without them having to change or convert to Islam. It's the same in every Country or Europe your faith operates, Islam is no more a Religion than the Mormon's Cult, if any of your fellow Muslims want to leave your Faith they can be killed according to your holly book, that's not love and Peace, you have animals slaughtered with out stunning them first, Halal (lawful) that act is BARBARIC 7th Century ideology the same as your Religion, Islam is not democratic, your Religion is not TOLERANT to Atheism, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Zionism, Democracy, Homosexuality, Alcohol, Women's rights and free speech. Your holy book needs a drastic review, brought up to modern times, ban all Preachers from the Axel of Evil Saudi Arabia, when Muslims are the majority in this Country we wont count for nothing, end of....but that's just mine and millions of other Britons opinion....All you have to do is READ the Koran, then you too will see what I have posted is true....Happy New Year and PEACE to all men/women.... welshmen

3:09pm Mon 30 Dec 13

coalpicker says...

Watch it WELSHMAN you will be getting a threatening message from the argus , they seem to have a problem with the obvious truth .
Watch it WELSHMAN you will be getting a threatening message from the argus , they seem to have a problem with the obvious truth . coalpicker

3:29pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Banjalucka says...

Dear dear over a well-meant letter.
Dear dear over a well-meant letter. Banjalucka

9:03pm Mon 30 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Banjalucka wrote:
Dear dear over a well-meant letter.
Truth is hard for some to understand, your either a supporter of the Islamic Faith or you believe all the what your told about the Moderate Muslim, and I agree, there are moderate Muslims that want to live like us, but unfortunately Saudi Arabia wont ever let the happen.

How the Faith teachings starts, according to some unconfirmed reports , there are over 1.565 billion Muslims in the world today, out of these Muslims, only about 300 million understand and speak Arabic, since a good part of the Qur'an is written in colloquial Arabic, spoken by the tribe of Quraish of the 7th century Mecca, understanding it even by many modern-day Arabic speaking Muslims is not an easy task.

The bulk of the remaining 1.2 billion Muslims live in the Indian sub- continent and south east Asia, almost all of them do not know Arabic, even those people, known as Hafez-e-Qur'an, who commit the whole of the Qur'an to their memory , do not understand the meaning of the words they so assiduously memorize over a long period of time, they depend on their Mullahs for learning the essential doctrines and practices of their faith.

Muslims do what they are told by their Mullahs, this is more so in case of those Muslims who are illiterate and poor. These Mullahs tell the ordinary Muslims that reading or reciting the Qur'an in Arabic is the easiest way to learn the pleasure of Allah, a condition with out fulfilling which, no human or Jinn would enter the Garden ( Jannat in Arabic) on the day of Judgement, and this is the main problem with Muslims understanding their Holly Book, this leads not only the illiterate and poor Muslims, but also the highly educated and rich Muslims to read the Qur'an in Arabic without trying to understand what they are reading or reciting in their prayer. These Muslims, in their turn, require their children to read and also memorize a few short chapters of the Qur'an that they need to recite while saying their daily obligatory prayers,and so it go's on.

There are 57 member-countries of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), and all of them put together have around 500 universities: one university for every three million Muslims. The United States has 5,758 universities and India has 8,407, in 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an Academic Ranking of World Universities, intriguingly, not one university from the Muslim-majority states was in the top 500, sad.

This unfortunately tells us that the Muslim lack in education; this being the result of their Islamic beliefs, as a consequence of which, over the last 105 years, only three Nobel Prizes have been won by about 1.4 Billion Muslims (other than peace prizes), while approximately 14 Million Jews have won 180 Nobel Prizes during the same period.

It might not be clear to the majority of Muslims but they have been kept in the dark by the Mullahs, a revision of their holly book by honest teaching scholars is needed more than ever in these modern times, if Moderate Muslims want to live in peace, where ever they settle, then this I believe is the only way to avoid unrest in future years in our Country and for that matter the world....
[quote][p][bold]Banjalucka[/bold] wrote: Dear dear over a well-meant letter.[/p][/quote]Truth is hard for some to understand, your either a supporter of the Islamic Faith or you believe all the what your told about the Moderate Muslim, and I agree, there are moderate Muslims that want to live like us, but unfortunately Saudi Arabia wont ever let the happen. How the Faith teachings starts, according to some unconfirmed reports , there are over 1.565 billion Muslims in the world today, out of these Muslims, only about 300 million understand and speak Arabic, since a good part of the Qur'an is written in colloquial Arabic, spoken by the tribe of Quraish of the 7th century Mecca, understanding it even by many modern-day Arabic speaking Muslims is not an easy task. The bulk of the remaining 1.2 billion Muslims live in the Indian sub- continent and south east Asia, almost all of them do not know Arabic, even those people, known as Hafez-e-Qur'an, who commit the whole of the Qur'an to their memory , do not understand the meaning of the words they so assiduously memorize over a long period of time, they depend on their Mullahs for learning the essential doctrines and practices of their faith. Muslims do what they are told by their Mullahs, this is more so in case of those Muslims who are illiterate and poor. These Mullahs tell the ordinary Muslims that reading or reciting the Qur'an in Arabic is the easiest way to learn the pleasure of Allah, a condition with out fulfilling which, no human or Jinn would enter the Garden ( Jannat in Arabic) on the day of Judgement, and this is the main problem with Muslims understanding their Holly Book, this leads not only the illiterate and poor Muslims, but also the highly educated and rich Muslims to read the Qur'an in Arabic without trying to understand what they are reading or reciting in their prayer. These Muslims, in their turn, require their children to read and also memorize a few short chapters of the Qur'an that they need to recite while saying their daily obligatory prayers,and so it go's on. There are 57 member-countries of the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), and all of them put together have around 500 universities: one university for every three million Muslims. The United States has 5,758 universities and India has 8,407, in 2004, Shanghai Jiao Tong University compiled an Academic Ranking of World Universities, intriguingly, not one university from the Muslim-majority states was in the top 500, sad. This unfortunately tells us that the Muslim lack in education; this being the result of their Islamic beliefs, as a consequence of which, over the last 105 years, only three Nobel Prizes have been won by about 1.4 Billion Muslims (other than peace prizes), while approximately 14 Million Jews have won 180 Nobel Prizes during the same period. It might not be clear to the majority of Muslims but they have been kept in the dark by the Mullahs, a revision of their holly book by honest teaching scholars is needed more than ever in these modern times, if Moderate Muslims want to live in peace, where ever they settle, then this I believe is the only way to avoid unrest in future years in our Country and for that matter the world.... welshmen

10:21pm Mon 30 Dec 13

volunteerwales says...

www.loveforallhatred
fornone.org is an absolute truth, we prove it everyday! in wales, have a look at www.volunteerwales.o
rg , the reason is very simple ; we follow the teachings of the Holly Quran.
The innocent and peaceful religion of Islam is NOT responsible or for the foolish acts of individuals. Ahmadiyya Muslim Association's Youth wing collects thousands of pounds every year during poppy appeal to show the solidarity with our armed forces.
welshmen, I have a doubt, you have ever red The Holly Quran.
www.loveforallhatred fornone.org is an absolute truth, we prove it everyday! in wales, have a look at www.volunteerwales.o rg , the reason is very simple ; we follow the teachings of the Holly Quran. The innocent and peaceful religion of Islam is NOT responsible or for the foolish acts of individuals. Ahmadiyya Muslim Association's Youth wing collects thousands of pounds every year during poppy appeal to show the solidarity with our armed forces. welshmen, I have a doubt, you have ever red The Holly Quran. volunteerwales

12:47am Tue 31 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

I bet the Argus loved this letter. It's such a contentious issue with no clear answer.
I bet the Argus loved this letter. It's such a contentious issue with no clear answer. smokintheweed

12:12pm Tue 31 Dec 13

welshmen says...

volunteerwales wrote:
www.loveforallhatred

fornone.org is an absolute truth, we prove it everyday! in wales, have a look at www.volunteerwales.o

rg , the reason is very simple ; we follow the teachings of the Holly Quran.
The innocent and peaceful religion of Islam is NOT responsible or for the foolish acts of individuals. Ahmadiyya Muslim Association's Youth wing collects thousands of pounds every year during poppy appeal to show the solidarity with our armed forces.
welshmen, I have a doubt, you have ever red The Holly Quran.
(Qur'an) these are taken from your Holy Book:
I think you are with respect deluded in YOUR interpretation of Islam, "The Religion of Peace". Islam has divided the Earth into two camps: Darul Islam and Darul Harb i.e. the Muslim world and the non Muslim world, since the Muslims are Allah's foot soldiers and are required to full fill his plan, as it is enunciated in the Qur'an, for Earth and mankind, the Muslims must not only recover the Land that non-Muslims occupy today, they are also required to force them into Islam or kill them, if they refuse to become Muslims(see Qur'an; 9:29). it is, in fact "a notable declaration of State Policy promulgated {by Allah} about the month of Shawwal. A. H. 9, and read out by Hadhrat Ali at the Pilgrimage two months later in order to give the policy the widest publicity possible. ..." (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran, as corrected by the King of Suadi Arabia, p. 494).

The teaching of the Qur'an effectively and automatically turns the Muslims against the Christians; the former having also been told by it not to take the latter as their friends or protectors, as they (the Christians) and Jews are Friends of each other and , thus, both of them are in collusion against the Muslim Umma (Nation) and their Religion.

Apart from Jews and the Christians, the Muslims also hate the Pagans {Mushrikun in Arabic) from the core of their hearts, as they, according to the Qur'an, are unclean ( see the Qur'an; 9:28 and, thus, unworthy of living on Allah's earth, therefore, the Muslims must kill them whenever they get the chance to fulfill the instruction Allah gave them through the Qur'an (see verse 9:5) this is a very dangerous instruction, and it is not at all good for those inhabitants of the Earth, who worship deities other than (Allah) Islam.

Allah has promised to Muslims that He will make them the inheritors and rulers of the earth and also help them establish Islam all over it, (Quran; 24:55, 57). To achieve these objectives, He has commanded them to engage in battles with those who refuse to accept Islam; to smite their necks, and after overpowering them, to take them prisoners, whom they may either set free as a favour to them or ransom them for money after the hostility is over (Quran; 47:4....

Volunteerwales:
Can you also explain the Islamic approach to Homosexuality, female and male, don't fob us off with "we love every body attitude" because your holy book the Quran is saying one thing, and it seems very strongly that your
trying to say that this is not the case, I think that you are being fooled just like we are, the last time Islam tried to take Europe by force was in 1683 and they were defeated by the Christians at the gates of Vienna, like I said before and I will keep on saying revise your Holy Book, until then nobody believes your Religion of Peace....
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: www.loveforallhatred fornone.org is an absolute truth, we prove it everyday! in wales, have a look at www.volunteerwales.o rg , the reason is very simple ; we follow the teachings of the Holly Quran. The innocent and peaceful religion of Islam is NOT responsible or for the foolish acts of individuals. Ahmadiyya Muslim Association's Youth wing collects thousands of pounds every year during poppy appeal to show the solidarity with our armed forces. welshmen, I have a doubt, you have ever red The Holly Quran.[/p][/quote](Qur'an) these are taken from your Holy Book: I think you are with respect deluded in YOUR interpretation of Islam, "The Religion of Peace". Islam has divided the Earth into two camps: Darul Islam and Darul Harb i.e. the Muslim world and the non Muslim world, since the Muslims are Allah's foot soldiers and are required to full fill his plan, as it is enunciated in the Qur'an, for Earth and mankind, the Muslims must not only recover the Land that non-Muslims occupy today, they are also required to force them into Islam or kill them, if they refuse to become Muslims(see Qur'an; 9:29). it is, in fact "a notable declaration of State Policy promulgated {by Allah} about the month of Shawwal. A. H. 9, and read out by Hadhrat Ali at the Pilgrimage two months later in order to give the policy the widest publicity possible. ..." (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran, as corrected by the King of Suadi Arabia, p. 494). The teaching of the Qur'an effectively and automatically turns the Muslims against the Christians; the former having also been told by it not to take the latter as their friends or protectors, as they (the Christians) and Jews are Friends of each other and , thus, both of them are in collusion against the Muslim Umma (Nation) and their Religion. Apart from Jews and the Christians, the Muslims also hate the Pagans {Mushrikun in Arabic) from the core of their hearts, as they, according to the Qur'an, are unclean ( see the Qur'an; 9:28 and, thus, unworthy of living on Allah's earth, therefore, the Muslims must kill them whenever they get the chance to fulfill the instruction Allah gave them through the Qur'an (see verse 9:5) this is a very dangerous instruction, and it is not at all good for those inhabitants of the Earth, who worship deities other than (Allah) Islam. Allah has promised to Muslims that He will make them the inheritors and rulers of the earth and also help them establish Islam all over it, (Quran; 24:55, 57). To achieve these objectives, He has commanded them to engage in battles with those who refuse to accept Islam; to smite their necks, and after overpowering them, to take them prisoners, whom they may either set free as a favour to them or ransom them for money after the hostility is over (Quran; 47:4.... Volunteerwales: Can you also explain the Islamic approach to Homosexuality, female and male, don't fob us off with "we love every body attitude" because your holy book the Quran is saying one thing, and it seems very strongly that your trying to say that this is not the case, I think that you are being fooled just like we are, the last time Islam tried to take Europe by force was in 1683 and they were defeated by the Christians at the gates of Vienna, like I said before and I will keep on saying revise your Holy Book, until then nobody believes your Religion of Peace.... welshmen

12:15pm Tue 31 Dec 13

welshmen says...

smokintheweed wrote:
I bet the Argus loved this letter. It's such a contentious issue with no clear answer.
Clear one above smokintheweed:....
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: I bet the Argus loved this letter. It's such a contentious issue with no clear answer.[/p][/quote]Clear one above smokintheweed:.... welshmen

12:30pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Katie Re-Registered says...

"His holiness, Hadhrat Mirza Masoor Ahmad, once said “the world needs Peace, Love and Brotherhood”. "

Hey, happy new year 1968 man!;)
"His holiness, Hadhrat Mirza Masoor Ahmad, once said “the world needs Peace, Love and Brotherhood”. " Hey, happy new year 1968 man!;) Katie Re-Registered

12:32pm Tue 31 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

welshmen wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
I bet the Argus loved this letter. It's such a contentious issue with no clear answer.
Clear one above smokintheweed:....
Not really, no. The majority of the generalised crap you have posted is applicable to most religions.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: I bet the Argus loved this letter. It's such a contentious issue with no clear answer.[/p][/quote]Clear one above smokintheweed:....[/p][/quote]Not really, no. The majority of the generalised crap you have posted is applicable to most religions. smokintheweed

12:34pm Tue 31 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

As for the anti-homosexual stance why don't you check out what the Indians have been up to or the Christian lot in Uganda?
As for the anti-homosexual stance why don't you check out what the Indians have been up to or the Christian lot in Uganda? smokintheweed

12:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

welshmen says...

smokintheweed wrote:
As for the anti-homosexual stance why don't you check out what the Indians have been up to or the Christian lot in Uganda?
I talking Islam in my post, read it carefully before your typing fingers engage your one cell brain....what Mosque do you attend weed....
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: As for the anti-homosexual stance why don't you check out what the Indians have been up to or the Christian lot in Uganda?[/p][/quote]I talking Islam in my post, read it carefully before your typing fingers engage your one cell brain....what Mosque do you attend weed.... welshmen

12:55pm Tue 31 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

welshmen wrote:
smokintheweed wrote:
As for the anti-homosexual stance why don't you check out what the Indians have been up to or the Christian lot in Uganda?
I talking Islam in my post, read it carefully before your typing fingers engage your one cell brain....what Mosque do you attend weed....
"I talking Islam"?

I do not visit mosques because I'm not a Muslim. Why is that even important to you?
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: As for the anti-homosexual stance why don't you check out what the Indians have been up to or the Christian lot in Uganda?[/p][/quote]I talking Islam in my post, read it carefully before your typing fingers engage your one cell brain....what Mosque do you attend weed....[/p][/quote]"I talking Islam"? I do not visit mosques because I'm not a Muslim. Why is that even important to you? smokintheweed

3:19pm Tue 31 Dec 13

welshmen says...

welshmen wrote:
volunteerwales wrote:
www.loveforallhatred


fornone.org is an absolute truth, we prove it everyday! in wales, have a look at www.volunteerwales.o


rg , the reason is very simple ; we follow the teachings of the Holly Quran.
The innocent and peaceful religion of Islam is NOT responsible or for the foolish acts of individuals. Ahmadiyya Muslim Association's Youth wing collects thousands of pounds every year during poppy appeal to show the solidarity with our armed forces.
welshmen, I have a doubt, you have ever red The Holly Quran.
(Qur'an) these are taken from your Holy Book:
I think you are with respect deluded in YOUR interpretation of Islam, "The Religion of Peace". Islam has divided the Earth into two camps: Darul Islam and Darul Harb i.e. the Muslim world and the non Muslim world, since the Muslims are Allah's foot soldiers and are required to full fill his plan, as it is enunciated in the Qur'an, for Earth and mankind, the Muslims must not only recover the Land that non-Muslims occupy today, they are also required to force them into Islam or kill them, if they refuse to become Muslims(see Qur'an; 9:29). it is, in fact "a notable declaration of State Policy promulgated {by Allah} about the month of Shawwal. A. H. 9, and read out by Hadhrat Ali at the Pilgrimage two months later in order to give the policy the widest publicity possible. ..." (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran, as corrected by the King of Suadi Arabia, p. 494).

The teaching of the Qur'an effectively and automatically turns the Muslims against the Christians; the former having also been told by it not to take the latter as their friends or protectors, as they (the Christians) and Jews are Friends of each other and , thus, both of them are in collusion against the Muslim Umma (Nation) and their Religion.

Apart from Jews and the Christians, the Muslims also hate the Pagans {Mushrikun in Arabic) from the core of their hearts, as they, according to the Qur'an, are unclean ( see the Qur'an; 9:28 and, thus, unworthy of living on Allah's earth, therefore, the Muslims must kill them whenever they get the chance to fulfill the instruction Allah gave them through the Qur'an (see verse 9:5) this is a very dangerous instruction, and it is not at all good for those inhabitants of the Earth, who worship deities other than (Allah) Islam.

Allah has promised to Muslims that He will make them the inheritors and rulers of the earth and also help them establish Islam all over it, (Quran; 24:55, 57). To achieve these objectives, He has commanded them to engage in battles with those who refuse to accept Islam; to smite their necks, and after overpowering them, to take them prisoners, whom they may either set free as a favour to them or ransom them for money after the hostility is over (Quran; 47:4....

Volunteerwales:
Can you also explain the Islamic approach to Homosexuality, female and male, don't fob us off with "we love every body attitude" because your holy book the Quran is saying one thing, and it seems very strongly that your
trying to say that this is not the case, I think that you are being fooled just like we are, the last time Islam tried to take Europe by force was in 1683 and they were defeated by the Christians at the gates of Vienna, like I said before and I will keep on saying revise your Holy Book, until then nobody believes your Religion of Peace....
All quite volunteerwales, except for your votes thumbs down, answer if you can, the truth is hard to beat....
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: www.loveforallhatred fornone.org is an absolute truth, we prove it everyday! in wales, have a look at www.volunteerwales.o rg , the reason is very simple ; we follow the teachings of the Holly Quran. The innocent and peaceful religion of Islam is NOT responsible or for the foolish acts of individuals. Ahmadiyya Muslim Association's Youth wing collects thousands of pounds every year during poppy appeal to show the solidarity with our armed forces. welshmen, I have a doubt, you have ever red The Holly Quran.[/p][/quote](Qur'an) these are taken from your Holy Book: I think you are with respect deluded in YOUR interpretation of Islam, "The Religion of Peace". Islam has divided the Earth into two camps: Darul Islam and Darul Harb i.e. the Muslim world and the non Muslim world, since the Muslims are Allah's foot soldiers and are required to full fill his plan, as it is enunciated in the Qur'an, for Earth and mankind, the Muslims must not only recover the Land that non-Muslims occupy today, they are also required to force them into Islam or kill them, if they refuse to become Muslims(see Qur'an; 9:29). it is, in fact "a notable declaration of State Policy promulgated {by Allah} about the month of Shawwal. A. H. 9, and read out by Hadhrat Ali at the Pilgrimage two months later in order to give the policy the widest publicity possible. ..." (Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Quran, as corrected by the King of Suadi Arabia, p. 494). The teaching of the Qur'an effectively and automatically turns the Muslims against the Christians; the former having also been told by it not to take the latter as their friends or protectors, as they (the Christians) and Jews are Friends of each other and , thus, both of them are in collusion against the Muslim Umma (Nation) and their Religion. Apart from Jews and the Christians, the Muslims also hate the Pagans {Mushrikun in Arabic) from the core of their hearts, as they, according to the Qur'an, are unclean ( see the Qur'an; 9:28 and, thus, unworthy of living on Allah's earth, therefore, the Muslims must kill them whenever they get the chance to fulfill the instruction Allah gave them through the Qur'an (see verse 9:5) this is a very dangerous instruction, and it is not at all good for those inhabitants of the Earth, who worship deities other than (Allah) Islam. Allah has promised to Muslims that He will make them the inheritors and rulers of the earth and also help them establish Islam all over it, (Quran; 24:55, 57). To achieve these objectives, He has commanded them to engage in battles with those who refuse to accept Islam; to smite their necks, and after overpowering them, to take them prisoners, whom they may either set free as a favour to them or ransom them for money after the hostility is over (Quran; 47:4.... Volunteerwales: Can you also explain the Islamic approach to Homosexuality, female and male, don't fob us off with "we love every body attitude" because your holy book the Quran is saying one thing, and it seems very strongly that your trying to say that this is not the case, I think that you are being fooled just like we are, the last time Islam tried to take Europe by force was in 1683 and they were defeated by the Christians at the gates of Vienna, like I said before and I will keep on saying revise your Holy Book, until then nobody believes your Religion of Peace....[/p][/quote]All quite volunteerwales, except for your votes thumbs down, answer if you can, the truth is hard to beat.... welshmen

3:24pm Tue 31 Dec 13

coalpicker says...

Could I suggest old hophead that you look at AL Jazeera a couple of times
per week ,perhaps you have forgotten what happened in Woolwich recently
or the fact corner shop owners were threatened with being whipped for selling a drop of tipple I have seen no prosecutions as a result of that threatening behaviour ,have you. Was it Eskimos that murdered two bus loads of innocent people in Volgograd this last week ? We forget the peaceful lunatics in Sudan and Somalia at our peril , now we have to listen to Nigel Farage telling us we ought to allow a few Syrian refugees, which undoubtedly will include a sprinkling of Al Qaeda among them, into our country I begin to wonder if they a serving Colombian sugar in the Brussels coffee. When I hear the winged horse brigade proclaiming how
peaceful they are I see Greeks bearing gifts and Martin Mcguinness praying at the cenotaph.
Could I suggest old hophead that you look at AL Jazeera a couple of times per week ,perhaps you have forgotten what happened in Woolwich recently or the fact corner shop owners were threatened with being whipped for selling a drop of tipple I have seen no prosecutions as a result of that threatening behaviour ,have you. Was it Eskimos that murdered two bus loads of innocent people in Volgograd this last week ? We forget the peaceful lunatics in Sudan and Somalia at our peril , now we have to listen to Nigel Farage telling us we ought to allow a few Syrian refugees, which undoubtedly will include a sprinkling of Al Qaeda among them, into our country I begin to wonder if they a serving Colombian sugar in the Brussels coffee. When I hear the winged horse brigade proclaiming how peaceful they are I see Greeks bearing gifts and Martin Mcguinness praying at the cenotaph. coalpicker

3:54pm Tue 31 Dec 13

smokintheweed says...

Some guy writes a letter about peace and love and the cretinous Islamaphobes come crawling out of the woodwork.
Some guy writes a letter about peace and love and the cretinous Islamaphobes come crawling out of the woodwork. smokintheweed

3:58pm Tue 31 Dec 13

welshmen says...

smokintheweed wrote:
Some guy writes a letter about peace and love and the cretinous Islamaphobes come crawling out of the woodwork.
Islam loves you, and will kill you latter....
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: Some guy writes a letter about peace and love and the cretinous Islamaphobes come crawling out of the woodwork.[/p][/quote]Islam loves you, and will kill you latter.... welshmen

4:16pm Tue 31 Dec 13

coalpicker says...

Well said Welshman, With people like old hophead around we need to be afraid, very afraid. Must be a distant relative of peace in our time Chamberlin,
Can't see the wood for the trees
Well said Welshman, With people like old hophead around we need to be afraid, very afraid. Must be a distant relative of peace in our time Chamberlin, Can't see the wood for the trees coalpicker

6:05pm Tue 31 Dec 13

welshmen says...

Still no Muslims with answers, gutless Banjalucka, smokingtheweed, volunteerwales, no answers just trolling, speak up we are waiting, the truth is you have no ANSWERS to what I have posted because I posted the truth....
Still no Muslims with answers, gutless Banjalucka, smokingtheweed, volunteerwales, no answers just trolling, speak up we are waiting, the truth is you have no ANSWERS to what I have posted because I posted the truth.... welshmen

4:05am Wed 1 Jan 14

smokintheweed says...

You posted a load of crap.
You posted a load of crap. smokintheweed

9:00am Wed 1 Jan 14

volunteerwales says...

Dear Welshmen I am really sorry, but it is not clear, what you want an answer for ? Forgive me if I am wrong, apparently You don't like, Muslims, Islam, Quran, and Islamic teachings, even when any of them talk about love and peace. Now let me clear one thing that Islam is ; what is in the Holly Quran, and practiced by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. You wouldn't be able to find a single commandment which could even have a slightest possibility of encouragement towards compulsion, in either.
I strongly believe that you are a tax payer, a law abiding citizen. and you also know that if you do not pay tax, you will end up in prison. If Majority of Muslims believe on the same principle, follow the law of the land, and teachings mentioned in the holly Quran . You don't like it !
Well the choice is still your's
My apologize once again, but your suggestion of reviewing a holly book is a ridiculous idea. British library has 60+ versions of reviewed bible already. The choice and verity has become so overwhelming, for the followers, eventually they have stopped following any.
So please don't try this one at home again !
I would also suggest to start learning properly , how to reference religion, history, and the Holly books according to academic standards.
www.alislam.org/qura
n/
is an absolutely brilliant source of the Holly Quran in search-able formate. if you need any further help, we can certainly try our best to assist.
A very happy new year, to you and your family.
Dear Welshmen I am really sorry, but it is not clear, what you want an answer for ? Forgive me if I am wrong, apparently You don't like, Muslims, Islam, Quran, and Islamic teachings, even when any of them talk about love and peace. Now let me clear one thing that Islam is ; what is in the Holly Quran, and practiced by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. You wouldn't be able to find a single commandment which could even have a slightest possibility of encouragement towards compulsion, in either. I strongly believe that you are a tax payer, a law abiding citizen. and you also know that if you do not pay tax, you will end up in prison. If Majority of Muslims believe on the same principle, follow the law of the land, and teachings mentioned in the holly Quran [9:29] . You don't like it ! Well the choice is still your's My apologize once again, but your suggestion of reviewing a holly book is a ridiculous idea. British library has 60+ versions of reviewed bible already. The choice and verity has become so overwhelming, for the followers, eventually they have stopped following any. So please don't try this one at home again ! I would also suggest to start learning properly , how to reference religion, history, and the Holly books according to academic standards. www.alislam.org/qura n/ is an absolutely brilliant source of the Holly Quran in search-able formate. if you need any further help, we can certainly try our best to assist. A very happy new year, to you and your family. volunteerwales

11:21am Wed 1 Jan 14

coalpicker says...

Considering this religious fable started with ignorant superstitious people
worshipping a Sinai volcano called Yahweh which crafty politicians turned into an invisible all dancing and singing god, the Tony Blair of the day has caused more bloodshed than the bubonic plague and Adolf Hitler put together. What I fail to understand is why people who would not put their hand in a fire if asked are prepared to blow themselves to bits if told to by a person who will make **** sure he will never seek this insane way of
reaching a paradise which is less substantial than a puff of smoke.
Considering this religious fable started with ignorant superstitious people worshipping a Sinai volcano called Yahweh which crafty politicians turned into an invisible all dancing and singing god, the Tony Blair of the day has caused more bloodshed than the bubonic plague and Adolf Hitler put together. What I fail to understand is why people who would not put their hand in a fire if asked are prepared to blow themselves to bits if told to by a person who will make **** sure he will never seek this insane way of reaching a paradise which is less substantial than a puff of smoke. coalpicker

1:40pm Wed 1 Jan 14

welshmen says...

volunteerwales wrote:
Dear Welshmen I am really sorry, but it is not clear, what you want an answer for ? Forgive me if I am wrong, apparently You don't like, Muslims, Islam, Quran, and Islamic teachings, even when any of them talk about love and peace. Now let me clear one thing that Islam is ; what is in the Holly Quran, and practiced by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. You wouldn't be able to find a single commandment which could even have a slightest possibility of encouragement towards compulsion, in either.
I strongly believe that you are a tax payer, a law abiding citizen. and you also know that if you do not pay tax, you will end up in prison. If Majority of Muslims believe on the same principle, follow the law of the land, and teachings mentioned in the holly Quran . You don't like it !
Well the choice is still your's
My apologize once again, but your suggestion of reviewing a holly book is a ridiculous idea. British library has 60+ versions of reviewed bible already. The choice and verity has become so overwhelming, for the followers, eventually they have stopped following any.
So please don't try this one at home again !
I would also suggest to start learning properly , how to reference religion, history, and the Holly books according to academic standards.
www.alislam.org/qura

n/
is an absolutely brilliant source of the Holly Quran in search-able formate. if you need any further help, we can certainly try our best to assist.
A very happy new year, to you and your family.
Dear Volunteerwales: pleas read all i have posted.
I would strongly suggest to you to read the English translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Mohammad Maraduke Pickthall of the Qur'an, also it's translations in Bengali and Urdu, their you will get a truthful rendition of the Arabic Qur'an.

Thanks for your effort to confirm what I have posted about passages in your Holy Book, which, comes as no surprise, you can't admit to,it's not Muslims I don't agree with, it's the way your Mullahs interpret the Quran to the followers of Islam, you included, your law is Sharia, you have already have over eighty Sharia Councils in the UK, you have to have Halal meat even though the Qur'an states that you can eat any meat only if you can not get Halal, The UK had laws on Slaughter in this Country stating that Stunning was required before slaughter, but that was changed because of Islam/ Jewdaism pressure, so much for living by OUR laws, same as local swimming baths around the Country, have to close to the public so your women can use Public baths without other non Muslims, call that integration with British non Muslims I don't think so.

You say you don't understand what i am asking you, if you can't do that, then what chance have you understanding your Arabic Qur'an? so like you say NO revision, then the hate goes on by Islam of ALL non Muslims.

You keep on speaking about love and peace, well, go and preach that to UK Muslims who's your fellow brothers have murdered, over fifty people, the British haven't murdered any Muslims.

I'll ask you again what's the Islamic View or Law on Homosexuality for male/female? in the Islamic faith, this is not a hard question, in our Country it's legal by LAW for Homosexuals to engage in this practice....

Can you explain Qur'an 2:223: ?

Also can you explain Qur'an; 10:69 and 70 ? if you can't answer these simple verses then with respect your a fraud....or it's to painful to admit to....
You say look up 9:23, here it is.
Qur'an 9:23, there are 6 translations, this is by Yusuf Ali,

Quote "Fight those's who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allha and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued" un quote.

The (Jizya) is a Tax paid to Muslims by non Muslims for the pleasure of living in their own lands that have been conquered by Islam....
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: Dear Welshmen I am really sorry, but it is not clear, what you want an answer for ? Forgive me if I am wrong, apparently You don't like, Muslims, Islam, Quran, and Islamic teachings, even when any of them talk about love and peace. Now let me clear one thing that Islam is ; what is in the Holly Quran, and practiced by the Holy Prophet Muhammad. You wouldn't be able to find a single commandment which could even have a slightest possibility of encouragement towards compulsion, in either. I strongly believe that you are a tax payer, a law abiding citizen. and you also know that if you do not pay tax, you will end up in prison. If Majority of Muslims believe on the same principle, follow the law of the land, and teachings mentioned in the holly Quran [9:29] . You don't like it ! Well the choice is still your's My apologize once again, but your suggestion of reviewing a holly book is a ridiculous idea. British library has 60+ versions of reviewed bible already. The choice and verity has become so overwhelming, for the followers, eventually they have stopped following any. So please don't try this one at home again ! I would also suggest to start learning properly , how to reference religion, history, and the Holly books according to academic standards. www.alislam.org/qura n/ is an absolutely brilliant source of the Holly Quran in search-able formate. if you need any further help, we can certainly try our best to assist. A very happy new year, to you and your family.[/p][/quote]Dear Volunteerwales: pleas read all i have posted. I would strongly suggest to you to read the English translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali and Mohammad Maraduke Pickthall of the Qur'an, also it's translations in Bengali and Urdu, their you will get a truthful rendition of the Arabic Qur'an. Thanks for your effort to confirm what I have posted about passages in your Holy Book, which, comes as no surprise, you can't admit to,it's not Muslims I don't agree with, it's the way your Mullahs interpret the Quran to the followers of Islam, you included, your law is Sharia, you have already have over eighty Sharia Councils in the UK, you have to have Halal meat even though the Qur'an states that you can eat any meat only if you can not get Halal, The UK had laws on Slaughter in this Country stating that Stunning was required before slaughter, but that was changed because of Islam/ Jewdaism pressure, so much for living by OUR laws, same as local swimming baths around the Country, have to close to the public so your women can use Public baths without other non Muslims, call that integration with British non Muslims I don't think so. You say you don't understand what i am asking you, if you can't do that, then what chance have you understanding your Arabic Qur'an? so like you say NO revision, then the hate goes on by Islam of ALL non Muslims. You keep on speaking about love and peace, well, go and preach that to UK Muslims who's your fellow brothers have murdered, over fifty people, the British haven't murdered any Muslims. I'll ask you again what's the Islamic View or Law on Homosexuality for male/female? in the Islamic faith, this is not a hard question, in our Country it's legal by LAW for Homosexuals to engage in this practice.... Can you explain Qur'an 2:223: ? Also can you explain Qur'an; 10:69 and 70 ? if you can't answer these simple verses then with respect your a fraud....or it's to painful to admit to.... You say look up 9:23, here it is. Qur'an 9:23, there are 6 translations, this is by Yusuf Ali, Quote "Fight those's who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allha and his Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued" un quote. The (Jizya) is a Tax paid to Muslims by non Muslims for the pleasure of living in their own lands that have been conquered by Islam.... welshmen

1:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

Banjalucka wrote:
Dear dear over a well-meant letter.
I disagree.
Unfortunately, welshmen is correct in saying that Islam is not tolerant of any religion other than itself.
People are lulled into thinking that these words are well meant.
Do you think that if the Islamics had a majority they would be tolerant of our Christian religion?
No, they would bring in Sharia law tomorrow if they could?
You need to 'wake up and smell the coffee'.
The facts speak for themselves, but people are afraid to utter the truth for fear of being labelled racist.
[quote][p][bold]Banjalucka[/bold] wrote: Dear dear over a well-meant letter.[/p][/quote]I disagree. Unfortunately, welshmen is correct in saying that Islam is not tolerant of any religion other than itself. People are lulled into thinking that these words are well meant. Do you think that if the Islamics had a majority they would be tolerant of our Christian religion? No, they would bring in Sharia law tomorrow if they could? You need to 'wake up and smell the coffee'. The facts speak for themselves, but people are afraid to utter the truth for fear of being labelled racist. Cymru Am Beth

1:35pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Vox Dei says...

http://skepticsannot
atedbible.com/quran/
http://skepticsannot atedbible.com/quran/ Vox Dei

2:30pm Thu 2 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

It's strange how, even though most religions revolve around people beliving in sky pixies who tell their followers to love everyone, it always leads to conflict.

All religious arguments tend to descend into the basic premise "My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend and if you don't agree then I'll make you"
It's strange how, even though most religions revolve around people beliving in sky pixies who tell their followers to love everyone, it always leads to conflict. All religious arguments tend to descend into the basic premise "My imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend and if you don't agree then I'll make you" _Bryan_

3:18pm Thu 2 Jan 14

welshmen says...

smokintheweed wrote:
You posted a load of crap.
Have a look at this if you know how too, http://skepticsannot
atedbibile.com/quran
/
Vox Dei posted this site....
[quote][p][bold]smokintheweed[/bold] wrote: You posted a load of crap.[/p][/quote]Have a look at this if you know how too, http://skepticsannot atedbibile.com/quran / Vox Dei posted this site.... welshmen

8:06pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Super Shinobi says...

I agree with welshmen and coalpicker. We now live in a culture where words such as 'ignorant' and 'racist' have lost all meaning to those who fail to see the lack of abusive and barbarous behaviour in other minority cultures. Chinese or Hindu jihad? The Sikhs suffered genuine racism in Britain to remain segragated. This victim story from Muslims would not be believable even without the cow towing of the left and the British press, and no internet.

I don't blame people for not reading and watching the international news, or for making the mistake of thinking that the socio-political religious cult of Islam is very different to the other two Abrahamic faiths.

The letter writer speaks of love and peace, and suggests a kinship with Christians via Jesus Christ. If this letter isn't 'Taqiyya' (a holy command to lie to non Muslims to advance the religion) then the writer is just as ignorant of mainstream Islamic doctrine as the fools that lazily accept the religion of peace.

You see, every Muslim knows that Jesus Christ is why Allah commands the extermination or subjugation of 'the people of the book'. Christians and Jews are unbelievers and the worst creatures. It is a blasphemy and a sin to believe what Christians teach from the bible about the divinity of Jesus Christ.

According to Islam, Jesus Christ was a Muslim, he was given an Islamic book from Allah. It is an offence to say that Jesus was the son of god, and the 'trinity' in islam is an obscenity describing polytheism, so it is changed to describe 'Allah, Jesus and Mary' instead. The Jews are eternally hated for other similar reasons (though they are incorrect in what Jews believe too).

When Jesus returns to earth at the judgement, he will be angry with all unbelievers (non Muslims) for their false religion and smash the crosses. Crazy stuff huh? But all true.

Some things that lazy 'Islamophiles' don't know or ignore about Islam is the nature of the Shari'a (the intructions by god that cover all aspects of life). The Shari'a is NOT a list or even an ordered section of commandments in the 'good muslim chapter' of the Qur'an. The shari'a is scattered and built largely upon the revelations of Muhammad (pbuh) in that he is the perfect example of conduct to be emulated. There is NO singular authority in Islam and any male Muslim can exact the Shari'a. Man made law is an offence to pious Muslims. It's also a vile blasphemy to criticise the Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh) and it counts as an attack worthy of aggressive response. Defense. Do you see the problem here?

Words like 'Islamophobe' and 'ignorant' are worthless terms of abuse designed to shut down the conversation with people who are trying to investigate. Sweden has been so vulnerable to creeping Shari'a and taqiyya that it is often on fire, schools, temples and police stations destroyed, fire engines, police cars are pelted with stones by the yoof, there are seven 'no go precincts' where the police and emergency services CAN NOT help you if you are attacked for being a 'Swede'.

Sweden was famous for being peaceful and MORE than generous with it's 120% tax for the welfare state. Now it is famous for being the rape capitol of Europe, with native Swedes dyeing their blonde hair 'black' and wearing the veil to avoid becoming one of the 1 in 4 women that get raped for not being covered up enough. This is the Shari'a in full effect when the authorities and media wrongly place the minority in eternal victimhood and think they can appease the problem with more money and tolerance.

The good Muslims of the this country are good because 'people' are good, and certainly not because the Qur'an is a superior moral example to western secular values. The mainstream doctrine of jihad itself produces the biggest threat to the world today. Period.
I agree with welshmen and coalpicker. We now live in a culture where words such as 'ignorant' and 'racist' have lost all meaning to those who fail to see the lack of abusive and barbarous behaviour in other minority cultures. Chinese or Hindu jihad? The Sikhs suffered genuine racism in Britain to remain segragated. This victim story from Muslims would not be believable even without the cow towing of the left and the British press, and no internet. I don't blame people for not reading and watching the international news, or for making the mistake of thinking that the socio-political religious cult of Islam is very different to the other two Abrahamic faiths. The letter writer speaks of love and peace, and suggests a kinship with Christians via Jesus Christ. If this letter isn't 'Taqiyya' (a holy command to lie to non Muslims to advance the religion) then the writer is just as ignorant of mainstream Islamic doctrine as the fools that lazily accept the religion of peace. You see, every Muslim knows that Jesus Christ is why Allah commands the extermination or subjugation of 'the people of the book'. Christians and Jews are unbelievers and the worst creatures. It is a blasphemy and a sin to believe what Christians teach from the bible about the divinity of Jesus Christ. According to Islam, Jesus Christ was a Muslim, he was given an Islamic book from Allah. It is an offence to say that Jesus was the son of god, and the 'trinity' in islam is an obscenity describing polytheism, so it is changed to describe 'Allah, Jesus and Mary' instead. The Jews are eternally hated for other similar reasons (though they are incorrect in what Jews believe too). When Jesus returns to earth at the judgement, he will be angry with all unbelievers (non Muslims) for their false religion and smash the crosses. Crazy stuff huh? But all true. Some things that lazy 'Islamophiles' don't know or ignore about Islam is the nature of the Shari'a (the intructions by god that cover all aspects of life). The Shari'a is NOT a list or even an ordered section of commandments in the 'good muslim chapter' of the Qur'an. The shari'a is scattered and built largely upon the revelations of Muhammad (pbuh) in that he is the perfect example of conduct to be emulated. There is NO singular authority in Islam and any male Muslim can exact the Shari'a. Man made law is an offence to pious Muslims. It's also a vile blasphemy to criticise the Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh) and it counts as an attack worthy of aggressive response. Defense. Do you see the problem here? Words like 'Islamophobe' and 'ignorant' are worthless terms of abuse designed to shut down the conversation with people who are trying to investigate. Sweden has been so vulnerable to creeping Shari'a and taqiyya that it is often on fire, schools, temples and police stations destroyed, fire engines, police cars are pelted with stones by the yoof, there are seven 'no go precincts' where the police and emergency services CAN NOT help you if you are attacked for being a 'Swede'. Sweden was famous for being peaceful and MORE than generous with it's 120% tax for the welfare state. Now it is famous for being the rape capitol of Europe, with native Swedes dyeing their blonde hair 'black' and wearing the veil to avoid becoming one of the 1 in 4 women that get raped for not being covered up enough. This is the Shari'a in full effect when the authorities and media wrongly place the minority in eternal victimhood and think they can appease the problem with more money and tolerance. The good Muslims of the this country are good because 'people' are good, and certainly not because the Qur'an is a superior moral example to western secular values. The mainstream doctrine of jihad itself produces the biggest threat to the world today. Period. Super Shinobi

9:58pm Thu 2 Jan 14

Super Shinobi says...

About Jesus Christ in Islam, I forgot to add that not only is he a Muslim, not the son of God or divine, but he was also never crucified. The crucifiction was a trick and a deception.
About Jesus Christ in Islam, I forgot to add that not only is he a Muslim, not the son of God or divine, but he was also never crucified. The crucifiction was a trick and a deception. Super Shinobi

6:10pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Super Shinobi wrote:
I agree with welshmen and coalpicker. We now live in a culture where words such as 'ignorant' and 'racist' have lost all meaning to those who fail to see the lack of abusive and barbarous behaviour in other minority cultures. Chinese or Hindu jihad? The Sikhs suffered genuine racism in Britain to remain segragated. This victim story from Muslims would not be believable even without the cow towing of the left and the British press, and no internet.

I don't blame people for not reading and watching the international news, or for making the mistake of thinking that the socio-political religious cult of Islam is very different to the other two Abrahamic faiths.

The letter writer speaks of love and peace, and suggests a kinship with Christians via Jesus Christ. If this letter isn't 'Taqiyya' (a holy command to lie to non Muslims to advance the religion) then the writer is just as ignorant of mainstream Islamic doctrine as the fools that lazily accept the religion of peace.

You see, every Muslim knows that Jesus Christ is why Allah commands the extermination or subjugation of 'the people of the book'. Christians and Jews are unbelievers and the worst creatures. It is a blasphemy and a sin to believe what Christians teach from the bible about the divinity of Jesus Christ.

According to Islam, Jesus Christ was a Muslim, he was given an Islamic book from Allah. It is an offence to say that Jesus was the son of god, and the 'trinity' in islam is an obscenity describing polytheism, so it is changed to describe 'Allah, Jesus and Mary' instead. The Jews are eternally hated for other similar reasons (though they are incorrect in what Jews believe too).

When Jesus returns to earth at the judgement, he will be angry with all unbelievers (non Muslims) for their false religion and smash the crosses. Crazy stuff huh? But all true.

Some things that lazy 'Islamophiles' don't know or ignore about Islam is the nature of the Shari'a (the intructions by god that cover all aspects of life). The Shari'a is NOT a list or even an ordered section of commandments in the 'good muslim chapter' of the Qur'an. The shari'a is scattered and built largely upon the revelations of Muhammad (pbuh) in that he is the perfect example of conduct to be emulated. There is NO singular authority in Islam and any male Muslim can exact the Shari'a. Man made law is an offence to pious Muslims. It's also a vile blasphemy to criticise the Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh) and it counts as an attack worthy of aggressive response. Defense. Do you see the problem here?

Words like 'Islamophobe' and 'ignorant' are worthless terms of abuse designed to shut down the conversation with people who are trying to investigate. Sweden has been so vulnerable to creeping Shari'a and taqiyya that it is often on fire, schools, temples and police stations destroyed, fire engines, police cars are pelted with stones by the yoof, there are seven 'no go precincts' where the police and emergency services CAN NOT help you if you are attacked for being a 'Swede'.

Sweden was famous for being peaceful and MORE than generous with it's 120% tax for the welfare state. Now it is famous for being the rape capitol of Europe, with native Swedes dyeing their blonde hair 'black' and wearing the veil to avoid becoming one of the 1 in 4 women that get raped for not being covered up enough. This is the Shari'a in full effect when the authorities and media wrongly place the minority in eternal victimhood and think they can appease the problem with more money and tolerance.

The good Muslims of the this country are good because 'people' are good, and certainly not because the Qur'an is a superior moral example to western secular values. The mainstream doctrine of jihad itself produces the biggest threat to the world today. Period.
A very interesting post.
[quote][p][bold]Super Shinobi[/bold] wrote: I agree with welshmen and coalpicker. We now live in a culture where words such as 'ignorant' and 'racist' have lost all meaning to those who fail to see the lack of abusive and barbarous behaviour in other minority cultures. Chinese or Hindu jihad? The Sikhs suffered genuine racism in Britain to remain segragated. This victim story from Muslims would not be believable even without the cow towing of the left and the British press, and no internet. I don't blame people for not reading and watching the international news, or for making the mistake of thinking that the socio-political religious cult of Islam is very different to the other two Abrahamic faiths. The letter writer speaks of love and peace, and suggests a kinship with Christians via Jesus Christ. If this letter isn't 'Taqiyya' (a holy command to lie to non Muslims to advance the religion) then the writer is just as ignorant of mainstream Islamic doctrine as the fools that lazily accept the religion of peace. You see, every Muslim knows that Jesus Christ is why Allah commands the extermination or subjugation of 'the people of the book'. Christians and Jews are unbelievers and the worst creatures. It is a blasphemy and a sin to believe what Christians teach from the bible about the divinity of Jesus Christ. According to Islam, Jesus Christ was a Muslim, he was given an Islamic book from Allah. It is an offence to say that Jesus was the son of god, and the 'trinity' in islam is an obscenity describing polytheism, so it is changed to describe 'Allah, Jesus and Mary' instead. The Jews are eternally hated for other similar reasons (though they are incorrect in what Jews believe too). When Jesus returns to earth at the judgement, he will be angry with all unbelievers (non Muslims) for their false religion and smash the crosses. Crazy stuff huh? But all true. Some things that lazy 'Islamophiles' don't know or ignore about Islam is the nature of the Shari'a (the intructions by god that cover all aspects of life). The Shari'a is NOT a list or even an ordered section of commandments in the 'good muslim chapter' of the Qur'an. The shari'a is scattered and built largely upon the revelations of Muhammad (pbuh) in that he is the perfect example of conduct to be emulated. There is NO singular authority in Islam and any male Muslim can exact the Shari'a. Man made law is an offence to pious Muslims. It's also a vile blasphemy to criticise the Qur'an and Muhammad (pbuh) and it counts as an attack worthy of aggressive response. Defense. Do you see the problem here? Words like 'Islamophobe' and 'ignorant' are worthless terms of abuse designed to shut down the conversation with people who are trying to investigate. Sweden has been so vulnerable to creeping Shari'a and taqiyya that it is often on fire, schools, temples and police stations destroyed, fire engines, police cars are pelted with stones by the yoof, there are seven 'no go precincts' where the police and emergency services CAN NOT help you if you are attacked for being a 'Swede'. Sweden was famous for being peaceful and MORE than generous with it's 120% tax for the welfare state. Now it is famous for being the rape capitol of Europe, with native Swedes dyeing their blonde hair 'black' and wearing the veil to avoid becoming one of the 1 in 4 women that get raped for not being covered up enough. This is the Shari'a in full effect when the authorities and media wrongly place the minority in eternal victimhood and think they can appease the problem with more money and tolerance. The good Muslims of the this country are good because 'people' are good, and certainly not because the Qur'an is a superior moral example to western secular values. The mainstream doctrine of jihad itself produces the biggest threat to the world today. Period.[/p][/quote]A very interesting post. Llanmartinangel

8:59pm Sun 5 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

just look at the above posts and see what "religion" generates-more have beeen slaughtered in the name of "religion" than in any "traditional" war-wake up folks and see whats in front of you-religion is a dangerous thing..
just look at the above posts and see what "religion" generates-more have beeen slaughtered in the name of "religion" than in any "traditional" war-wake up folks and see whats in front of you-religion is a dangerous thing.. merlin the silure

12:45am Wed 8 Jan 14

volunteerwales says...

I myself would hate and run away from such a barbaric ‘Islam’. However, I want to assure you that this is a grossly distorted image of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with the true and real Islam. Islam is simply opposed to all the vicious things mentioned above.
It should be understood in no uncertain terms that the real Islam is that faith which is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim Scriptures, and which can be witnessed in the practical noble example and statements of the Holy Prophet of Islam(saw). Anything contrary and opposed to that is not Islam. Therefore you have to make a clear distinction between the real teachings of Islam and the self-styled views and practices of those who are abusing the name of Islam.
It is indeed very sad that a large number of people have failed to recognise the beauty of Islam in this age. Islam is like a beautiful diamond of peace. From whichever angle it is viewed, it is absolute peace, pure peace and nothing but peace. What makes Islam a religion of peace? The very name of Islam is unique as for the first time in the entire history of religion, a religion has been given a name that literally means peace. It also has the meaning of total submission to the will and command of God.
One who truly believes in and faithfully follows Islam is called a Muslim. A concise definition of a true Muslim has been given by the Founder of Islam, the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw); he said:
“A Muslim is that person from whose hands and from whose tongue all people are absolutely safe.” (Sunan Nasai, Vol.8, Kitabul Iman)
Unfortunately, Islam nowadays is being equated with a religion of terror and bloodshed, and a large number of people actually consider it a religion which promotes hatred between peoples and between nations. The fact is that Islam is the greatest proponent of peace and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the greatest champion of peace for all times, promoting the message of peace for the whole of mankind.
Source: http://www.reviewofr
eligions.org/2621/is
-islam-a-threat-to-p
oland-and-world-peac
e/

www.alislam.org/qura
n/
I myself would hate and run away from such a barbaric ‘Islam’. However, I want to assure you that this is a grossly distorted image of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with the true and real Islam. Islam is simply opposed to all the vicious things mentioned above. It should be understood in no uncertain terms that the real Islam is that faith which is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim Scriptures, and which can be witnessed in the practical noble example and statements of the Holy Prophet of Islam(saw). Anything contrary and opposed to that is not Islam. Therefore you have to make a clear distinction between the real teachings of Islam and the self-styled views and practices of those who are abusing the name of Islam. It is indeed very sad that a large number of people have failed to recognise the beauty of Islam in this age. Islam is like a beautiful diamond of peace. From whichever angle it is viewed, it is absolute peace, pure peace and nothing but peace. What makes Islam a religion of peace? The very name of Islam is unique as for the first time in the entire history of religion, a religion has been given a name that literally means peace. It also has the meaning of total submission to the will and command of God. One who truly believes in and faithfully follows Islam is called a Muslim. A concise definition of a true Muslim has been given by the Founder of Islam, the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw); he said: “A Muslim is that person from whose hands and from whose tongue all people are absolutely safe.” (Sunan Nasai, Vol.8, Kitabul Iman) Unfortunately, Islam nowadays is being equated with a religion of terror and bloodshed, and a large number of people actually consider it a religion which promotes hatred between peoples and between nations. The fact is that Islam is the greatest proponent of peace and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the greatest champion of peace for all times, promoting the message of peace for the whole of mankind. Source: http://www.reviewofr eligions.org/2621/is -islam-a-threat-to-p oland-and-world-peac e/ www.alislam.org/qura n/ volunteerwales

8:38am Wed 8 Jan 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

volunteerwales wrote:
I myself would hate and run away from such a barbaric ‘Islam’. However, I want to assure you that this is a grossly distorted image of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with the true and real Islam. Islam is simply opposed to all the vicious things mentioned above.
It should be understood in no uncertain terms that the real Islam is that faith which is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim Scriptures, and which can be witnessed in the practical noble example and statements of the Holy Prophet of Islam(saw). Anything contrary and opposed to that is not Islam. Therefore you have to make a clear distinction between the real teachings of Islam and the self-styled views and practices of those who are abusing the name of Islam.
It is indeed very sad that a large number of people have failed to recognise the beauty of Islam in this age. Islam is like a beautiful diamond of peace. From whichever angle it is viewed, it is absolute peace, pure peace and nothing but peace. What makes Islam a religion of peace? The very name of Islam is unique as for the first time in the entire history of religion, a religion has been given a name that literally means peace. It also has the meaning of total submission to the will and command of God.
One who truly believes in and faithfully follows Islam is called a Muslim. A concise definition of a true Muslim has been given by the Founder of Islam, the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw); he said:
“A Muslim is that person from whose hands and from whose tongue all people are absolutely safe.” (Sunan Nasai, Vol.8, Kitabul Iman)
Unfortunately, Islam nowadays is being equated with a religion of terror and bloodshed, and a large number of people actually consider it a religion which promotes hatred between peoples and between nations. The fact is that Islam is the greatest proponent of peace and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the greatest champion of peace for all times, promoting the message of peace for the whole of mankind.
Source: http://www.reviewofr

eligions.org/2621/is

-islam-a-threat-to-p

oland-and-world-peac

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www.alislam.org/qura

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This is all okay if you are Muslim.
People don't trust Islamists.
Reading posts on here quoting actual passages from the Qur'an gives the real picture of the intent displayed by this religion to ultimately overthrow society and impose its own values.
Preaching love and peace and denying the real truth is used by Islamists to attempt to 'pull the wool over' the so-called 'Infidels' whilst they plot the downfall of our society 'by the back door'.
Sharia Law is their ultimate aim which involves the oppression of women and minority groups and barbaric out of date rituals designed to frighten the populace into submission.
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: I myself would hate and run away from such a barbaric ‘Islam’. However, I want to assure you that this is a grossly distorted image of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with the true and real Islam. Islam is simply opposed to all the vicious things mentioned above. It should be understood in no uncertain terms that the real Islam is that faith which is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim Scriptures, and which can be witnessed in the practical noble example and statements of the Holy Prophet of Islam(saw). Anything contrary and opposed to that is not Islam. Therefore you have to make a clear distinction between the real teachings of Islam and the self-styled views and practices of those who are abusing the name of Islam. It is indeed very sad that a large number of people have failed to recognise the beauty of Islam in this age. Islam is like a beautiful diamond of peace. From whichever angle it is viewed, it is absolute peace, pure peace and nothing but peace. What makes Islam a religion of peace? The very name of Islam is unique as for the first time in the entire history of religion, a religion has been given a name that literally means peace. It also has the meaning of total submission to the will and command of God. One who truly believes in and faithfully follows Islam is called a Muslim. A concise definition of a true Muslim has been given by the Founder of Islam, the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw); he said: “A Muslim is that person from whose hands and from whose tongue all people are absolutely safe.” (Sunan Nasai, Vol.8, Kitabul Iman) Unfortunately, Islam nowadays is being equated with a religion of terror and bloodshed, and a large number of people actually consider it a religion which promotes hatred between peoples and between nations. The fact is that Islam is the greatest proponent of peace and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the greatest champion of peace for all times, promoting the message of peace for the whole of mankind. Source: http://www.reviewofr eligions.org/2621/is -islam-a-threat-to-p oland-and-world-peac e/ www.alislam.org/qura n/[/p][/quote]This is all okay if you are Muslim. People don't trust Islamists. Reading posts on here quoting actual passages from the Qur'an gives the real picture of the intent displayed by this religion to ultimately overthrow society and impose its own values. Preaching love and peace and denying the real truth is used by Islamists to attempt to 'pull the wool over' the so-called 'Infidels' whilst they plot the downfall of our society 'by the back door'. Sharia Law is their ultimate aim which involves the oppression of women and minority groups and barbaric out of date rituals designed to frighten the populace into submission. Cymru Am Beth

9:03am Thu 9 Jan 14

volunteerwales says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
volunteerwales wrote:
I myself would hate and run away from such a barbaric ‘Islam’. However, I want to assure you that this is a grossly distorted image of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with the true and real Islam. Islam is simply opposed to all the vicious things mentioned above.
It should be understood in no uncertain terms that the real Islam is that faith which is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim Scriptures, and which can be witnessed in the practical noble example and statements of the Holy Prophet of Islam(saw). Anything contrary and opposed to that is not Islam. Therefore you have to make a clear distinction between the real teachings of Islam and the self-styled views and practices of those who are abusing the name of Islam.
It is indeed very sad that a large number of people have failed to recognise the beauty of Islam in this age. Islam is like a beautiful diamond of peace. From whichever angle it is viewed, it is absolute peace, pure peace and nothing but peace. What makes Islam a religion of peace? The very name of Islam is unique as for the first time in the entire history of religion, a religion has been given a name that literally means peace. It also has the meaning of total submission to the will and command of God.
One who truly believes in and faithfully follows Islam is called a Muslim. A concise definition of a true Muslim has been given by the Founder of Islam, the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw); he said:
“A Muslim is that person from whose hands and from whose tongue all people are absolutely safe.” (Sunan Nasai, Vol.8, Kitabul Iman)
Unfortunately, Islam nowadays is being equated with a religion of terror and bloodshed, and a large number of people actually consider it a religion which promotes hatred between peoples and between nations. The fact is that Islam is the greatest proponent of peace and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the greatest champion of peace for all times, promoting the message of peace for the whole of mankind.
Source: http://www.reviewofr


eligions.org/2621/is


-islam-a-threat-to-p


oland-and-world-peac


e/

www.alislam.org/qura


n/
This is all okay if you are Muslim.
People don't trust Islamists.
Reading posts on here quoting actual passages from the Qur'an gives the real picture of the intent displayed by this religion to ultimately overthrow society and impose its own values.
Preaching love and peace and denying the real truth is used by Islamists to attempt to 'pull the wool over' the so-called 'Infidels' whilst they plot the downfall of our society 'by the back door'.
Sharia Law is their ultimate aim which involves the oppression of women and minority groups and barbaric out of date rituals designed to frighten the populace into submission.
There should be no compulsion in religion… (Ch.2:V.257)
It categorically declares that people of the whole world are totally free to choose their faith, whichever they like, to which they are happy to subscribe. There is nobody on earth who can in any way compel or force anybody to accept the religion of Islam. The Holy Qur’an declares that freedom of belief is the basic right of all human beings. They can believe in any religion they like and they can become the member of any faith they choose.
www.alislam.org/qura
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[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: I myself would hate and run away from such a barbaric ‘Islam’. However, I want to assure you that this is a grossly distorted image of Islam that has absolutely nothing to do with the true and real Islam. Islam is simply opposed to all the vicious things mentioned above. It should be understood in no uncertain terms that the real Islam is that faith which is mentioned in the Holy Qur’an, the Muslim Scriptures, and which can be witnessed in the practical noble example and statements of the Holy Prophet of Islam(saw). Anything contrary and opposed to that is not Islam. Therefore you have to make a clear distinction between the real teachings of Islam and the self-styled views and practices of those who are abusing the name of Islam. It is indeed very sad that a large number of people have failed to recognise the beauty of Islam in this age. Islam is like a beautiful diamond of peace. From whichever angle it is viewed, it is absolute peace, pure peace and nothing but peace. What makes Islam a religion of peace? The very name of Islam is unique as for the first time in the entire history of religion, a religion has been given a name that literally means peace. It also has the meaning of total submission to the will and command of God. One who truly believes in and faithfully follows Islam is called a Muslim. A concise definition of a true Muslim has been given by the Founder of Islam, the Holy Prophet Mohammad(saw); he said: “A Muslim is that person from whose hands and from whose tongue all people are absolutely safe.” (Sunan Nasai, Vol.8, Kitabul Iman) Unfortunately, Islam nowadays is being equated with a religion of terror and bloodshed, and a large number of people actually consider it a religion which promotes hatred between peoples and between nations. The fact is that Islam is the greatest proponent of peace and the Holy Prophet Muhammad(saw) was the greatest champion of peace for all times, promoting the message of peace for the whole of mankind. Source: http://www.reviewofr eligions.org/2621/is -islam-a-threat-to-p oland-and-world-peac e/ www.alislam.org/qura n/[/p][/quote]This is all okay if you are Muslim. People don't trust Islamists. Reading posts on here quoting actual passages from the Qur'an gives the real picture of the intent displayed by this religion to ultimately overthrow society and impose its own values. Preaching love and peace and denying the real truth is used by Islamists to attempt to 'pull the wool over' the so-called 'Infidels' whilst they plot the downfall of our society 'by the back door'. Sharia Law is their ultimate aim which involves the oppression of women and minority groups and barbaric out of date rituals designed to frighten the populace into submission.[/p][/quote]There should be no compulsion in religion… (Ch.2:V.257) It categorically declares that people of the whole world are totally free to choose their faith, whichever they like, to which they are happy to subscribe. There is nobody on earth who can in any way compel or force anybody to accept the religion of Islam. The Holy Qur’an declares that freedom of belief is the basic right of all human beings. They can believe in any religion they like and they can become the member of any faith they choose. www.alislam.org/qura n/ volunteerwales

3:43pm Thu 9 Jan 14

volunteerwales says...

Some people nowadays commit various acts of terrorism, unfortunately, in the name of Islam. Those are only a few who betray their own religion through their actions which are diametrically opposed to Islam. As such, they are the defaulters who are doing a great disservice to their own faith. Those who commit these atrocities and acts of terrorism against other people in the name of Islam should never be allowed to hijack the beautiful name of Islam nor be taken as ambassadors and representatives of Islam. They are the violators of their own religion and deserve to be strongly condemned and severely punished for the acts of aggression and tarnishing the beautiful image of Islam.
Islam has nowhere mentioned any teachings promoting terrorism or war against other people. It also establishes that only a peaceful person can be truly a Muslim and the people who commit atrocities, aggression and other barbaric acts like suicide bombings, even if committed in the name of Islam, do not deserve to be called Muslims.
To say that a Muslim is a terrorist or to use the ill-conceived term of ‘Muslim Terrorist’ is certainly like putting light and darkness, fire and water or death and life together. They are completely opposite to one another. I assure you that a true Muslim can never be a terrorist and a terrorist can not be called a Muslim! Islam has got no room for terrorism and the whole concept of terrorism is totally alien to the teachings of Islam.
/www.reviewofreligio
ns.org
Some people nowadays commit various acts of terrorism, unfortunately, in the name of Islam. Those are only a few who betray their own religion through their actions which are diametrically opposed to Islam. As such, they are the defaulters who are doing a great disservice to their own faith. Those who commit these atrocities and acts of terrorism against other people in the name of Islam should never be allowed to hijack the beautiful name of Islam nor be taken as ambassadors and representatives of Islam. They are the violators of their own religion and deserve to be strongly condemned and severely punished for the acts of aggression and tarnishing the beautiful image of Islam. Islam has nowhere mentioned any teachings promoting terrorism or war against other people. It also establishes that only a peaceful person can be truly a Muslim and the people who commit atrocities, aggression and other barbaric acts like suicide bombings, even if committed in the name of Islam, do not deserve to be called Muslims. To say that a Muslim is a terrorist or to use the ill-conceived term of ‘Muslim Terrorist’ is certainly like putting light and darkness, fire and water or death and life together. They are completely opposite to one another. I assure you that a true Muslim can never be a terrorist and a terrorist can not be called a Muslim! Islam has got no room for terrorism and the whole concept of terrorism is totally alien to the teachings of Islam. /www.reviewofreligio ns.org volunteerwales

7:39pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Super Shinobi says...

@volunteerwales, I'm sure that you've no idea how weak your continuing 'dawah' Quran 104 (proselytizing) and 'taqiyya' Qur'an 16:106, 3:28, 9:3, 40:28, 2:225, 66:2 and 3:54 (Quranic commands to lie to unbelievers) is in front of educated people with access to the internet and a TV. I didn't want to comment on this thread again, but you persist with posting bare faced lies and omissions. You have not offered a single ONE Quranic proof that what is being said is untrue. You said a mouthful, so let's consider what you are claiming.

I will paraphrase for the sake of argument and easier reading.

"People commit acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. A few who betray their religion and are opposed to Islam, they are the defaulters. Islam has nowhere mentioned any teachings promoting terrorism or war against other people. Only a peaceful person can truly be a Muslim. The whole concept of terrorism is totally alien to the teachings of Islam."

You have heard it said no doubt that Islam is not a religion, that it is unlike any religion that preaches peace in any tangible sense of the word, right? This is not because they don't understand, but because of the evidence recorded in the scriptures, the state of the world today, and the 1400 year historical record of Islam.

Unlike any other holy book, some 60% of it is dedicated to tribes other than Muslims and there are 164 'Jihad' verses which mostly cover war against non-Muslims, It instructs how to behave when Muslim numbers are small. http://www.answering
-islam.org

Unlike any other holy book the Qur'an has a propaganda and a conquest doctrine. Why would a peaceful religion contain ANY of these things at all? Jews and Christians are demonised, eg. Sura 7:166, 2:65, and 5:60 (itself bastardisations of original Jewish texts changed to suit Muhammads purposes). Conquest in the Qur'an covers 'booty' which include unbeliever sex slave women, and subjugation or conversion of the conquered. http://www.thereligi
onofpeace.com

The fact is that Islam is more about following the 'excellent conduct to be emulated' in the character of Muhammad, rather than God, lends it's own problems in whoever studies their Qur'an, hadith and Muhamedian history. They are either led to make huge mental contortions and apologies to negate the later violent Medinan Qur'an, http://prophetofdoom
.net/Islamic_Quotes_
Terrorism.Islam, in favour of the 'early' peaceful Meccan Qur'an, http://www.political
islam.com/blog/a-pic
ture-of-duality/, or they are forced to admit that the Anjem Choudary's and Abu Qatada's are correct in a very scholarly way, on account that authorities on abrogation favour later verses.

The smart, genuinely peace loving people, recognise that the conduct of Muhammad cannot be reconciled with western values and modern culture and that it is 'themselves' that must become 'radical' and unorthodox, or leave their support group, their peers, family and friends. Many have. THIS is why apologists do more harm than 'terrorists' to the public discourse and society as a whole when they wont even allow the problem to be named.

Nobody is saying 'ALL Muslims are terrorists' and other such nonsense, they are simply pointing out what they manage to see and read outside the crippled and masochistic western media. The peaceful verses are of no importance or consequence to the well-being of others what-so ever! So stop acting like it makes any difference to you and me. 300 million estimated fascists out of 1.5 billion is the number we have to consider.

It is a FACT that attacks on the west are religiously motivated by 'Islamic supremacists' (a far more accurate way to describe the myriad of problems) have been happening way before Iraq, 7-7 and 9-11, and have been to the detriment of world peace and prosperity in general. There have been 20,000 attacks on America and the West since 9-11 and counting. By the West's standards (and what we should be concerned about) the only good Muslim, is a bad Muslim. By that I mean one that does not follow violent Jihad, does not fight western values in favour of shari'a, and does not expect religious rights at the expense of a strain on social cohesion.

Please take note that I have not made any of this up, and anything I have said, that I have not referenced in scripture can be checked out very easily online (youtube etc). Educate yourselves. Peace!
@volunteerwales, I'm sure that you've no idea how weak your continuing 'dawah' Quran 104 (proselytizing) and 'taqiyya' Qur'an 16:106, 3:28, 9:3, 40:28, 2:225, 66:2 and 3:54 (Quranic commands to lie to unbelievers) is in front of educated people with access to the internet and a TV. I didn't want to comment on this thread again, but you persist with posting bare faced lies and omissions. You have not offered a single ONE Quranic proof that what is being said is untrue. You said a mouthful, so let's consider what you are claiming. I will paraphrase for the sake of argument and easier reading. "People commit acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. A few who betray their religion and are opposed to Islam, they are the defaulters. Islam has nowhere mentioned any teachings promoting terrorism or war against other people. Only a peaceful person can truly be a Muslim. The whole concept of terrorism is totally alien to the teachings of Islam." You have heard it said no doubt that Islam is not a religion, that it is unlike any religion that preaches peace in any tangible sense of the word, right? This is not because they don't understand, but because of the evidence recorded in the scriptures, the state of the world today, and the 1400 year historical record of Islam. Unlike any other holy book, some 60% of it is dedicated to tribes other than Muslims and there are 164 'Jihad' verses which mostly cover war against non-Muslims, It instructs how to behave when Muslim numbers are small. http://www.answering -islam.org Unlike any other holy book the Qur'an has a propaganda and a conquest doctrine. Why would a peaceful religion contain ANY of these things at all? Jews and Christians are demonised, eg. Sura 7:166, 2:65, and 5:60 (itself bastardisations of original Jewish texts changed to suit Muhammads purposes). Conquest in the Qur'an covers 'booty' which include unbeliever sex slave women, and subjugation or conversion of the conquered. http://www.thereligi onofpeace.com The fact is that Islam is more about following the 'excellent conduct to be emulated' in the character of Muhammad, rather than God, lends it's own problems in whoever studies their Qur'an, hadith and Muhamedian history. They are either led to make huge mental contortions and apologies to negate the later violent Medinan Qur'an, http://prophetofdoom .net/Islamic_Quotes_ Terrorism.Islam, in favour of the 'early' peaceful Meccan Qur'an, http://www.political islam.com/blog/a-pic ture-of-duality/, or they are forced to admit that the Anjem Choudary's and Abu Qatada's are correct in a very scholarly way, on account that authorities on abrogation favour later verses. The smart, genuinely peace loving people, recognise that the conduct of Muhammad cannot be reconciled with western values and modern culture and that it is 'themselves' that must become 'radical' and unorthodox, or leave their support group, their peers, family and friends. Many have. THIS is why apologists do more harm than 'terrorists' to the public discourse and society as a whole when they wont even allow the problem to be named. Nobody is saying 'ALL Muslims are terrorists' and other such nonsense, they are simply pointing out what they manage to see and read outside the crippled and masochistic western media. The peaceful verses are of no importance or consequence to the well-being of others what-so ever! So stop acting like it makes any difference to you and me. 300 million estimated fascists out of 1.5 billion is the number we have to consider. It is a FACT that attacks on the west are religiously motivated by 'Islamic supremacists' (a far more accurate way to describe the myriad of problems) have been happening way before Iraq, 7-7 and 9-11, and have been to the detriment of world peace and prosperity in general. There have been 20,000 attacks on America and the West since 9-11 and counting. By the West's standards (and what we should be concerned about) the only good Muslim, is a bad Muslim. By that I mean one that does not follow violent Jihad, does not fight western values in favour of shari'a, and does not expect religious rights at the expense of a strain on social cohesion. Please take note that I have not made any of this up, and anything I have said, that I have not referenced in scripture can be checked out very easily online (youtube etc). Educate yourselves. Peace! Super Shinobi

1:28am Fri 10 Jan 14

volunteerwales says...

@ Super Shinobi if you are so keen to attack the most peaceful and fastest growing religion on the planet earth. I am afraid you have to read about it even if you do not like it. and its easy www.alislam.org/qura
n when you have started learning, collect some historical evidence, and use it to prove your hypothesis. I hope you went to university and know how to use academic referencing to prove, what you are saying.
I will try making it more easy for you:
Your task is to prove one single drop of blood caused by the Islamic teachings or the Holly Quran, again using Historical Evidence.
If you need help, how to collect the historical evidence, and what are the expectable sources for an academic institution, please feel free to let us know.
I totally agree with you, we should all educate ourselves !
@ Super Shinobi if you are so keen to attack the most peaceful and fastest growing religion on the planet earth. I am afraid you have to read about it even if you do not like it. and its easy www.alislam.org/qura n when you have started learning, collect some historical evidence, and use it to prove your hypothesis. I hope you went to university and know how to use academic referencing to prove, what you are saying. I will try making it more easy for you: Your task is to prove one single drop of blood caused by the Islamic teachings or the Holly Quran, again using Historical Evidence. If you need help, how to collect the historical evidence, and what are the expectable sources for an academic institution, please feel free to let us know. I totally agree with you, we should all educate ourselves ! volunteerwales

3:58pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Super Shinobi says...

volunteerwales wrote:
@ Super Shinobi if you are so keen to attack the most peaceful and fastest growing religion on the planet earth. I am afraid you have to read about it even if you do not like it. and its easy www.alislam.org/qura

n when you have started learning, collect some historical evidence, and use it to prove your hypothesis. I hope you went to university and know how to use academic referencing to prove, what you are saying.
I will try making it more easy for you:
Your task is to prove one single drop of blood caused by the Islamic teachings or the Holly Quran, again using Historical Evidence.
If you need help, how to collect the historical evidence, and what are the expectable sources for an academic institution, please feel free to let us know.
I totally agree with you, we should all educate ourselves !
What hypothesis? If I didn't go to university, I can't possibly know what I'm talking about? Next you'll be informing me that I don't speak Arabic. I'm sorry, that's not how it works. You are meant to come forward with some sort of rebuttal explaining why the information that people have provided here is incorrect. You have not, in any of your posts.

You DO understand that I don't write the historical books (including the Qur'an) or create the news? I'm flattered that you envisage me having such powers, but I am but a mere mortal and can only report the news and history that Muslims make for themselves. I'll put it to you like this. If I'm getting it all wrong, then so are all of the uppermost Muslim authorities in the world, and Allah must be the worst communicating deity in all history. Muhammad got it wrong too?

You (insultingly) would have people believe that all of the Muslims that have waged Jihad are going 'against' the Qur'an, in spite of what it actually says in the book and how it is used, and revered today in the real world. No Muslim cleric has ever been excommunicated waging Jihad or inciting violence with the scriptures in his hand. Not one!

Tell me, when was Bin Laden announced as a 'non-Muslim' against the Qur'an? I didn't hear that Adebelajo and Adebalwe had been rejected for their 'un-Islamic' views. Too difficult? Surely Muslims all over Britain could easily prove with scripture that, their mentor, Anjem Choudary should be ejected from 'the community' for his un-Islamic views? You insult people's intelligence with that web site you keep posting.

How come when Muslim leaders talk about the Shari'a, and it's intentions they are considered learned scholars, and when any non Muslim does so, it counts as an attack? The only difference here is that they are 'for it', where as anybody who thinks it a bad idea can't possibly understand why they shouldn't want it, and should never speak of it again lest they descend into bigotry.

While we still live in a world that is trying to aggressively stifle dissent for people getting killed over blasphemy, films, books, cartoons and teddy bears (by orders of mullah's no less) we are not addressing the issue, in fact, we are making it worse for future generations.

Not all drink drivers end up killing people, but you shouldn't pat them on the back for it.
[quote][p][bold]volunteerwales[/bold] wrote: @ Super Shinobi if you are so keen to attack the most peaceful and fastest growing religion on the planet earth. I am afraid you have to read about it even if you do not like it. and its easy www.alislam.org/qura n when you have started learning, collect some historical evidence, and use it to prove your hypothesis. I hope you went to university and know how to use academic referencing to prove, what you are saying. I will try making it more easy for you: Your task is to prove one single drop of blood caused by the Islamic teachings or the Holly Quran, again using Historical Evidence. If you need help, how to collect the historical evidence, and what are the expectable sources for an academic institution, please feel free to let us know. I totally agree with you, we should all educate ourselves ![/p][/quote]What hypothesis? If I didn't go to university, I can't possibly know what I'm talking about? Next you'll be informing me that I don't speak Arabic. I'm sorry, that's not how it works. You are meant to come forward with some sort of rebuttal explaining why the information that people have provided here is incorrect. You have not, in any of your posts. You DO understand that I don't write the historical books (including the Qur'an) or create the news? I'm flattered that you envisage me having such powers, but I am but a mere mortal and can only report the news and history that Muslims make for themselves. I'll put it to you like this. If I'm getting it all wrong, then so are all of the uppermost Muslim authorities in the world, and Allah must be the worst communicating deity in all history. Muhammad got it wrong too? You (insultingly) would have people believe that all of the Muslims that have waged Jihad are going 'against' the Qur'an, in spite of what it actually says in the book and how it is used, and revered today in the real world. No Muslim cleric has ever been excommunicated waging Jihad or inciting violence with the scriptures in his hand. Not one! Tell me, when was Bin Laden announced as a 'non-Muslim' against the Qur'an? I didn't hear that Adebelajo and Adebalwe had been rejected for their 'un-Islamic' views. Too difficult? Surely Muslims all over Britain could easily prove with scripture that, their mentor, Anjem Choudary should be ejected from 'the community' for his un-Islamic views? You insult people's intelligence with that web site you keep posting. How come when Muslim leaders talk about the Shari'a, and it's intentions they are considered learned scholars, and when any non Muslim does so, it counts as an attack? The only difference here is that they are 'for it', where as anybody who thinks it a bad idea can't possibly understand why they shouldn't want it, and should never speak of it again lest they descend into bigotry. While we still live in a world that is trying to aggressively stifle dissent for people getting killed over blasphemy, films, books, cartoons and teddy bears (by orders of mullah's no less) we are not addressing the issue, in fact, we are making it worse for future generations. Not all drink drivers end up killing people, but you shouldn't pat them on the back for it. Super Shinobi

1:37pm Sat 11 Jan 14

volunteerwales says...

@Super Shinobi no offense, but I have every right to defend my peaceful religion called Islam, the teaching of The Holly Quran, also practiced by the Holy Prophet Mohammad.
I have no authority to declare who should be called a Muslim or not.
Its not only Islam, but every true religion cannot justify any form of terrorism or violence on the human being.
The bottom line is my peace full religion will remain innocent just because of the magnificent teachings. If you find an error bring it on board.
@Super Shinobi no offense, but I have every right to defend my peaceful religion called Islam, the teaching of The Holly Quran, also practiced by the Holy Prophet Mohammad. I have no authority to declare who should be called a Muslim or not. Its not only Islam, but every true religion cannot justify any form of terrorism or violence on the human being. The bottom line is my peace full religion will remain innocent just because of the magnificent teachings. If you find an error bring it on board. volunteerwales

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