Now's the time

First published in Letters

WHEN will sceptics come to their senses and perhaps realise they may have got it wrong?

A storm-battered UK, unprecedented cold weather in North America, 200 mph winds in the Philippines, rising average temperatures and many more instances of severe weather.

Perhaps wind turbines and solar energy might suddenly seem a more attractive option! Perhaps the Severn barrage will receive renewed interest, although tidal lagoons could be a better ‘green’ option.

Maybe we would not make a huge difference to the global situation but at least Britain could set an example, put more money into research and show the world we do CARE!

Paul Relph Hilltop Old Cwmbran

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12:52pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Frankfurt says...

Have you seen the film of the storm damage in Aberystwyth in 1938? Much worse than what happened this week. Was that due to climate change? The climate probably is changing but it's wrong to declare a single event as evidence of it. The evidence has to be consistent and compelling over a long period of time to prove the case. Summer ice which shouldn't exist in Antarctic shows that the climate model is very complicated and we don't understand it yet. And, by the way, the big tide at Newport was not a record. It has been higher.
Have you seen the film of the storm damage in Aberystwyth in 1938? Much worse than what happened this week. Was that due to climate change? The climate probably is changing but it's wrong to declare a single event as evidence of it. The evidence has to be consistent and compelling over a long period of time to prove the case. Summer ice which shouldn't exist in Antarctic shows that the climate model is very complicated and we don't understand it yet. And, by the way, the big tide at Newport was not a record. It has been higher. Frankfurt
  • Score: 5

12:53pm Thu 9 Jan 14

welshmen says...

Bring on the SEVEN BARRAGE ASAP.....or the USK BARRAGE for starters....
Bring on the SEVEN BARRAGE ASAP.....or the USK BARRAGE for starters.... welshmen
  • Score: 0

1:03pm Thu 9 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

When will the Global Warming fanatics come to their senses and base their opinons and scientifically verifiable evidence, instead of twisting facts to fit an increasingly inaccurate theory? A plausible scientific theory will typically fit all currently known facts and can be used to make predictions about future events.

The Global Warming theory predicted a total loss of polar ice cover, while it has actually grown significantly over recent years.

The theory predicted a rise in the sea level of between 30cm and 2m. The actual rise has been measured as less than 5mm and could actually be 0 due to statistical variation.

The theory predicted a rise in global temperatures of between 1 and 3 degrees. There has been no measurable change.

The recent storms are simply an example of a phenomena known as "weather". This was also responsible for the 1987 hurricane, the heatwave of '76 and countless other notable events.
When will the Global Warming fanatics come to their senses and base their opinons and scientifically verifiable evidence, instead of twisting facts to fit an increasingly inaccurate theory? A plausible scientific theory will typically fit all currently known facts and can be used to make predictions about future events. The Global Warming theory predicted a total loss of polar ice cover, while it has actually grown significantly over recent years. The theory predicted a rise in the sea level of between 30cm and 2m. The actual rise has been measured as less than 5mm and could actually be 0 due to statistical variation. The theory predicted a rise in global temperatures of between 1 and 3 degrees. There has been no measurable change. The recent storms are simply an example of a phenomena known as "weather". This was also responsible for the 1987 hurricane, the heatwave of '76 and countless other notable events. _Bryan_
  • Score: 6

1:06pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Thinking heads says...

There is nothing to be said that has not already said in these letters.
Over many years we are wasting the natural resources of wales by being bull headed and not useing the water that is plentifully in wales to create power to lower bills and generate the economy of the whole of wales thay want to electrictriy rail in wales so wheres the power coming from all the powers tobe has to do is think ahead it seems to be to much to ask when they spend ower money.
There is nothing to be said that has not already said in these letters. Over many years we are wasting the natural resources of wales by being bull headed and not useing the water that is plentifully in wales to create power to lower bills and generate the economy of the whole of wales thay want to electrictriy rail in wales so wheres the power coming from all the powers tobe has to do is think ahead it seems to be to much to ask when they spend ower money. Thinking heads
  • Score: 4

1:39pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

Sorry even the Met office has stated this storms have nothing all to do with global warming. Much of the flooding is down to overdevelopment and building on flood plains and not upgrading the drainage. With most new developments the drainage is just fed into the existing drainage network
Sorry even the Met office has stated this storms have nothing all to do with global warming. Much of the flooding is down to overdevelopment and building on flood plains and not upgrading the drainage. With most new developments the drainage is just fed into the existing drainage network Bobevans
  • Score: 6

1:41pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Bobevans says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
When will the Global Warming fanatics come to their senses and base their opinons and scientifically verifiable evidence, instead of twisting facts to fit an increasingly inaccurate theory? A plausible scientific theory will typically fit all currently known facts and can be used to make predictions about future events.

The Global Warming theory predicted a total loss of polar ice cover, while it has actually grown significantly over recent years.

The theory predicted a rise in the sea level of between 30cm and 2m. The actual rise has been measured as less than 5mm and could actually be 0 due to statistical variation.

The theory predicted a rise in global temperatures of between 1 and 3 degrees. There has been no measurable change.

The recent storms are simply an example of a phenomena known as "weather". This was also responsible for the 1987 hurricane, the heatwave of '76 and countless other notable events.
Strange is it not that they claim that the polar ie is melting yet we got two icebreakers stuck in thick ice at one of the polar caps
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: When will the Global Warming fanatics come to their senses and base their opinons and scientifically verifiable evidence, instead of twisting facts to fit an increasingly inaccurate theory? A plausible scientific theory will typically fit all currently known facts and can be used to make predictions about future events. The Global Warming theory predicted a total loss of polar ice cover, while it has actually grown significantly over recent years. The theory predicted a rise in the sea level of between 30cm and 2m. The actual rise has been measured as less than 5mm and could actually be 0 due to statistical variation. The theory predicted a rise in global temperatures of between 1 and 3 degrees. There has been no measurable change. The recent storms are simply an example of a phenomena known as "weather". This was also responsible for the 1987 hurricane, the heatwave of '76 and countless other notable events.[/p][/quote]Strange is it not that they claim that the polar ie is melting yet we got two icebreakers stuck in thick ice at one of the polar caps Bobevans
  • Score: 5

4:48pm Thu 9 Jan 14

whatintheworld says...

replies like those in this thread make me despair...
replies like those in this thread make me despair... whatintheworld
  • Score: -4

9:01pm Thu 9 Jan 14

Super Shinobi says...

It's surely a good thing to try and harness renewable energy from the planet, it has been said that oil will be running out by 2050. Whether that is an accurate forecast or not is by-the-by. It still means that we have to go 'renewable' eventually, and need to start thinking that way sooner, rather than later.

Global warming is a FACT. You cannot base an opinion on how much rain fall, or the size of the ice caps this year as opposed to 5 years ago. That is not how we would go about measuring such a phenomena, and more to the point, it's an Andrew Wakefield style misrepresentation of the issue, propagated by some of the petro-dollar companies. To the casual observer the ice caps swell and recede constantly in narrow studies, but the consensus is that they much less than they were, and it is a continuing trend.

Here is what the real study says.

http://desmogblog.co
m/2012/11/15/why-cli
mate-deniers-have-no
-credibility-science
-one-pie-chart

And a short video.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=Rm9bV5_hE
eI
It's surely a good thing to try and harness renewable energy from the planet, it has been said that oil will be running out by 2050. Whether that is an accurate forecast or not is by-the-by. It still means that we have to go 'renewable' eventually, and need to start thinking that way sooner, rather than later. Global warming is a FACT. You cannot base an opinion on how much rain fall, or the size of the ice caps this year as opposed to 5 years ago. That is not how we would go about measuring such a phenomena, and more to the point, it's an Andrew Wakefield style misrepresentation of the issue, propagated by some of the petro-dollar companies. To the casual observer the ice caps swell and recede constantly in narrow studies, but the consensus is that they much less than they were, and it is a continuing trend. Here is what the real study says. http://desmogblog.co m/2012/11/15/why-cli mate-deniers-have-no -credibility-science -one-pie-chart And a short video. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=Rm9bV5_hE eI Super Shinobi
  • Score: 1

9:11am Fri 10 Jan 14

_Bryan_ says...

No matter how many times people insist that Global Warming is a fact, there is a distinct lack of evidence to support this.

The biggest indicator of "Global Warming" would surely be a measured rise in global temperatures. However, there has been no increase in mean temperatures over the past two decades the inescapable conclusion has to be that there hasn't been any global warming during that period.
No matter how many times people insist that Global Warming is a fact, there is a distinct lack of evidence to support this. The biggest indicator of "Global Warming" would surely be a measured rise in global temperatures. However, there has been no increase in mean temperatures over the past two decades the inescapable conclusion has to be that there hasn't been any global warming during that period. _Bryan_
  • Score: 4

5:52pm Fri 10 Jan 14

welshmen says...

There's as much global warming on Mars as there is on Earth, end of....
There's as much global warming on Mars as there is on Earth, end of.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

5:32pm Sat 11 Jan 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

_Bryan_ wrote:
No matter how many times people insist that Global Warming is a fact, there is a distinct lack of evidence to support this.

The biggest indicator of "Global Warming" would surely be a measured rise in global temperatures. However, there has been no increase in mean temperatures over the past two decades the inescapable conclusion has to be that there hasn't been any global warming during that period.
Much chatter but little evidence to back up your claims
[quote][p][bold]_Bryan_[/bold] wrote: No matter how many times people insist that Global Warming is a fact, there is a distinct lack of evidence to support this. The biggest indicator of "Global Warming" would surely be a measured rise in global temperatures. However, there has been no increase in mean temperatures over the past two decades the inescapable conclusion has to be that there hasn't been any global warming during that period.[/p][/quote]Much chatter but little evidence to back up your claims GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -1

9:44pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Spinflight says...

Maybe knowing the difference between weather and climate would help...

It gets colder every year, must be global warming!


chairman@ukipnewport
.com
Maybe knowing the difference between weather and climate would help... It gets colder every year, must be global warming! chairman@ukipnewport .com Spinflight
  • Score: 0

7:48am Mon 13 Jan 14

merlin the silure says...

I know "-the great flooding of the Gwent levels in 1607 was the result of global warming what with all the peasants burning thier wood and peat.
I know "-the great flooding of the Gwent levels in 1607 was the result of global warming what with all the peasants burning thier wood and peat. merlin the silure
  • Score: 1

10:01am Wed 15 Jan 14

jimmytheone2 says...

welshmen wrote:
There's as much global warming on Mars as there is on Earth, end of....
Global warming is happening. Welshmen is the main cause - all that hot air that comes out of his mouth.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: There's as much global warming on Mars as there is on Earth, end of....[/p][/quote]Global warming is happening. Welshmen is the main cause - all that hot air that comes out of his mouth. jimmytheone2
  • Score: -1

12:24pm Wed 15 Jan 14

robrat41 says...

Dear God!

The effects of climate change, If true, will not start to be felt until Mid century.

If the current extreme weather was due to global warming/climate change, the scientists would be able to offer conclusive proof of it.

Beware of Media Scaremongering.
Dear God! The effects of climate change, If true, will not start to be felt until Mid century. If the current extreme weather was due to global warming/climate change, the scientists would be able to offer conclusive proof of it. Beware of Media Scaremongering. robrat41
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Wed 15 Jan 14

welshmen says...

jimmytheone2 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
There's as much global warming on Mars as there is on Earth, end of....
Global warming is happening. Welshmen is the main cause - all that hot air that comes out of his mouth.
Poor old jimmy, if only you could get a loan of the family brain cell for a couple of hours, you could see what's happening to our planet, the Northern ice cap has grown 60% from the year before, that's about 92.000 square miles, no rise in temperature, icebreakers with global warming believers on board stuck in the more than usual thick ice, (red faces all round).

Anybody with only one interest in our planet and that it's getting warmer, are the very same people who make MONEY off their false calculations though grants off Government, they then green tax us for the made up scientific findings, while I agree with stopping all pollution, the global warming theory is bogus....A scam....
[quote][p][bold]jimmytheone2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: There's as much global warming on Mars as there is on Earth, end of....[/p][/quote]Global warming is happening. Welshmen is the main cause - all that hot air that comes out of his mouth.[/p][/quote]Poor old jimmy, if only you could get a loan of the family brain cell for a couple of hours, you could see what's happening to our planet, the Northern ice cap has grown 60% from the year before, that's about 92.000 square miles, no rise in temperature, icebreakers with global warming believers on board stuck in the more than usual thick ice, (red faces all round). Anybody with only one interest in our planet and that it's getting warmer, are the very same people who make MONEY off their false calculations though grants off Government, they then green tax us for the made up scientific findings, while I agree with stopping all pollution, the global warming theory is bogus....A scam.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

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