Offence anger

ON READING Wednesday’s Argus, I was disgusted to find out one of my neighbours was able to get away with over £130,000 in benefit fraud with basically no repercussions, e.g. prison sentence, community service order or even having to pay back any money so far. I feel as someone who has paid tax all my working life I find this infuriating.

Mrs Burton Ebbw Vale

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8:03pm Thu 13 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

you get a bigger penalty for speeding
you get a bigger penalty for speeding scraptheWAG
  • Score: 1

12:55am Fri 14 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

Benefit cheats given a slap on the wrist in a labour rotten borough?

Is anyone really that shocked? If they clamped down on benefit fraud labour would lose half of it's vote...

www.ukipnewport.com
Benefit cheats given a slap on the wrist in a labour rotten borough? Is anyone really that shocked? If they clamped down on benefit fraud labour would lose half of it's vote... www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -4

5:02am Fri 14 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 8

5:03am Fri 14 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

BTW Mrs. Burton - it's a part of the trms and conditions you agree to when making a claim, that you have to pay back any overpayment. There's no need for a court to mandate this.
BTW Mrs. Burton - it's a part of the trms and conditions you agree to when making a claim, that you have to pay back any overpayment. There's no need for a court to mandate this. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 2

11:19am Fri 14 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud Bobevans
  • Score: -5

11:50am Fri 14 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g
overnment/publicatio
ns/fraud-and-error-i
n-the-benefit-system
-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 2

3:36pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g

overnment/publicatio

ns/fraud-and-error-i

n-the-benefit-system

-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two[/p][/quote]A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark Bobevans
  • Score: -2

4:24pm Fri 14 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g


overnment/publicatio


ns/fraud-and-error-i


n-the-benefit-system


-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark
They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/

Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two[/p][/quote]A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark[/p][/quote]They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/ Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along... GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 3

4:58pm Fri 14 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo




m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g



overnment/publicatio



ns/fraud-and-error-i



n-the-benefit-system



-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark
They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/

Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...
It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum.

These are facts :
All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this.

All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits

Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England.

Tax dodging is acceptable

These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two[/p][/quote]A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark[/p][/quote]They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/ Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...[/p][/quote]It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum. These are facts : All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this. All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England. Tax dodging is acceptable These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people. Mr Angry
  • Score: 8

8:29am Sat 15 Feb 14

county mad says...

Mr Angry you are a contentious arguementative individual and I suspect a Labour guard dog tasked with defending the spectacular fails perpatrated by the 'peoples' party. Not wishing to debunk your debunking you are defending the most incompetant bunch of self-serving troughers.I despair of the blinkered "sall fatchers fault innit"
Mr Angry you are a contentious arguementative individual and I suspect a Labour guard dog tasked with defending the spectacular fails perpatrated by the 'peoples' party. Not wishing to debunk your debunking you are defending the most incompetant bunch of self-serving troughers.I despair of the blinkered "sall fatchers fault innit" county mad
  • Score: -3

9:15am Sat 15 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

Mr Angry wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo





m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g




overnment/publicatio




ns/fraud-and-error-i




n-the-benefit-system




-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark
They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/

Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...
It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum.

These are facts :
All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this.

All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits

Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England.

Tax dodging is acceptable

These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.
I have no doubt that people in bath or cheltenham vote conservative but those town are worlds away from the shanty town that Newport has become.

I knwo the vote labour father did crowd are not going to like this little fact but up until 1997 when labour came to power newport was a average little town it was under labour that it got reduced to shanty town status all the gratn money wales now receives goes straight down the bay never to return.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two[/p][/quote]A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark[/p][/quote]They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/ Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...[/p][/quote]It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum. These are facts : All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this. All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England. Tax dodging is acceptable These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that people in bath or cheltenham vote conservative but those town are worlds away from the shanty town that Newport has become. I knwo the vote labour father did crowd are not going to like this little fact but up until 1997 when labour came to power newport was a average little town it was under labour that it got reduced to shanty town status all the gratn money wales now receives goes straight down the bay never to return. scraptheWAG
  • Score: -7

12:42pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

county mad wrote:
Mr Angry you are a contentious arguementative individual and I suspect a Labour guard dog tasked with defending the spectacular fails perpatrated by the 'peoples' party. Not wishing to debunk your debunking you are defending the most incompetant bunch of self-serving troughers.I despair of the blinkered "sall fatchers fault innit"
Let me tell you something, I dont vote, and have no intention of doing so. I come on here because there are extreme right wingers who try to hi jack every thread with sweeping untrue and at times insulting statements, anyone who dares challenge these views is abused, like I just have been.
Do you seriously think these people should be unchallenged when they express these views ?
[quote][p][bold]county mad[/bold] wrote: Mr Angry you are a contentious arguementative individual and I suspect a Labour guard dog tasked with defending the spectacular fails perpatrated by the 'peoples' party. Not wishing to debunk your debunking you are defending the most incompetant bunch of self-serving troughers.I despair of the blinkered "sall fatchers fault innit"[/p][/quote]Let me tell you something, I dont vote, and have no intention of doing so. I come on here because there are extreme right wingers who try to hi jack every thread with sweeping untrue and at times insulting statements, anyone who dares challenge these views is abused, like I just have been. Do you seriously think these people should be unchallenged when they express these views ? Mr Angry
  • Score: 7

12:51pm Sat 15 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo




m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo






m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g





overnment/publicatio





ns/fraud-and-error-i





n-the-benefit-system





-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark
They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/

Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...
It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum.

These are facts :
All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this.

All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits

Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England.

Tax dodging is acceptable

These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.
I have no doubt that people in bath or cheltenham vote conservative but those town are worlds away from the shanty town that Newport has become.

I knwo the vote labour father did crowd are not going to like this little fact but up until 1997 when labour came to power newport was a average little town it was under labour that it got reduced to shanty town status all the gratn money wales now receives goes straight down the bay never to return.
Newports problems started in the 80's when the Tories decimated the heavy industries, no one doubts changes had to be made, but no reinvestment took place to replace the lost jobs, Labour could and should have done better, but lots of people in their late 50's early 60's never worked again and it wasn't as you would say because they were lazy, Your tiresome claim that the problems started in 97 is not true.
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two[/p][/quote]A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark[/p][/quote]They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/ Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...[/p][/quote]It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum. These are facts : All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this. All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England. Tax dodging is acceptable These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that people in bath or cheltenham vote conservative but those town are worlds away from the shanty town that Newport has become. I knwo the vote labour father did crowd are not going to like this little fact but up until 1997 when labour came to power newport was a average little town it was under labour that it got reduced to shanty town status all the gratn money wales now receives goes straight down the bay never to return.[/p][/quote]Newports problems started in the 80's when the Tories decimated the heavy industries, no one doubts changes had to be made, but no reinvestment took place to replace the lost jobs, Labour could and should have done better, but lots of people in their late 50's early 60's never worked again and it wasn't as you would say because they were lazy, Your tiresome claim that the problems started in 97 is not true. Mr Angry
  • Score: 8

4:27pm Sat 15 Feb 14

endthelies says...

Mr Angry is spot on in his observations about the content of some posts on this site. Its more and more of the same thing and woe betide anyone who says anything to appose that view.
Mr Angry is spot on in his observations about the content of some posts on this site. Its more and more of the same thing and woe betide anyone who says anything to appose that view. endthelies
  • Score: 7

8:47am Sun 16 Feb 14

ollie72 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo





m
wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo







m
wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system?

Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.
Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife

No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud
You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from?

From https://www.gov.uk/g






overnment/publicatio






ns/fraud-and-error-i






n-the-benefit-system






-201213-estimates
This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority.

The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain:

for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate


Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two
A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark
They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/

Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...
It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum.

These are facts :
All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this.

All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits

Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England.

Tax dodging is acceptable

These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.
I have no doubt that people in bath or cheltenham vote conservative but those town are worlds away from the shanty town that Newport has become.

I knwo the vote labour father did crowd are not going to like this little fact but up until 1997 when labour came to power newport was a average little town it was under labour that it got reduced to shanty town status all the gratn money wales now receives goes straight down the bay never to return.
Newports problems started in the 80's when the Tories decimated the heavy industries, no one doubts changes had to be made, but no reinvestment took place to replace the lost jobs, Labour could and should have done better, but lots of people in their late 50's early 60's never worked again and it wasn't as you would say because they were lazy, Your tiresome claim that the problems started in 97 is not true.
Completely agree - British steel privatised, and then we saw the steady decline at Llanwern.

Due to the decline of the steelworks, we lost thousands of skilled jobs at Llanwern and the Orb, jobs that were never replaced - but at least the "friends of Maggie" who could afford the shares did well eh?

Tell me STW, how does a town (as we were then) of 250,000 people get over the loss of 10,000 jobs when there is no other employer capable of picking up the slack?

I think you'll find it's "vote Labour, because otherwise the tories will be back to take the rest"....
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Am I the only one that thinks light sentences for the rare benfit cheat are handed down on purpose, so as to foster hatred of the whole benefit system? Afterall, the fact that the DWP wastes more due to staff errors and incompetent management than gets fraudulently claimed is one you'd never see in the Daily Fail.[/p][/quote]Rare benefits cheats? You are mistaken. Cheating of benefits is rife No one is saying it is the majority but the indications are about 20% of benefits claims involve fraud[/p][/quote]You really shoudl check your facts n figures before you post mate.... I know others have told you that before now. Where on earth do you get a figure of 20% from? From https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/publicatio ns/fraud-and-error-i n-the-benefit-system -201213-estimates [quote]This National Statistics report has been published according to the arrangements approved by the UK Statistics Authority. The report estimates fraud and error levels in the benefit system in Great Britain: for 2012 to 2013 it is estimated that 2.1% of total benefit expenditure was overpaid due to fraud and error, the same as the 2011 to 2012 estimate [/quote] Now note that says fraud AND error - with error actually being the larger of the two[/p][/quote]A check of the court cases and sums involved clearly show the claim of 2.1% to be very wide of the mark[/p][/quote]They're the government's own figures.You'd best get on to them, mate and tell them that you've checked 'some court cases' and the sums involved, and that the ONS has got it wrong by a factor of 10:1/ Or you could just admit you're making it up as you go along...[/p][/quote]It is best not to dispute Bob Evans figures or claims. same goes with Scrap the Wag. If you do you incur theanger of other Right wingers on this forum. These are facts : All Benefit fraudsters vote Labour, No Tory or UKIP Voter in a Tory /UKIP Borough has ever been convicted of this. All Benefit claimants vote Labour, no Tories/UKIP ever claim Child Benefit or Working Tax Credits, or Sickness Benefits Wales votes Labour in Wales because their fathers did etc, however the same does does not apply in Tory safe seats in the South of England. Tax dodging is acceptable These are undisputed facts, don't argue otherwise you upset people.[/p][/quote]I have no doubt that people in bath or cheltenham vote conservative but those town are worlds away from the shanty town that Newport has become. I knwo the vote labour father did crowd are not going to like this little fact but up until 1997 when labour came to power newport was a average little town it was under labour that it got reduced to shanty town status all the gratn money wales now receives goes straight down the bay never to return.[/p][/quote]Newports problems started in the 80's when the Tories decimated the heavy industries, no one doubts changes had to be made, but no reinvestment took place to replace the lost jobs, Labour could and should have done better, but lots of people in their late 50's early 60's never worked again and it wasn't as you would say because they were lazy, Your tiresome claim that the problems started in 97 is not true.[/p][/quote]Completely agree - British steel privatised, and then we saw the steady decline at Llanwern. Due to the decline of the steelworks, we lost thousands of skilled jobs at Llanwern and the Orb, jobs that were never replaced - but at least the "friends of Maggie" who could afford the shares did well eh? Tell me STW, how does a town (as we were then) of 250,000 people get over the loss of 10,000 jobs when there is no other employer capable of picking up the slack? I think you'll find it's "vote Labour, because otherwise the tories will be back to take the rest".... ollie72
  • Score: 7

8:59am Sun 16 Feb 14

ollie72 says...

Spinflight wrote:
Benefit cheats given a slap on the wrist in a labour rotten borough?

Is anyone really that shocked? If they clamped down on benefit fraud labour would lose half of it's vote...

www.ukipnewport.com
A cheap dig from a party that has 1 policy "kick out the immigrants, it's all their fault..."

In the 26 years I have been of working age, I have claimed 3 months of benefits - yet I vote Labour. Everyone I know works and votes Labour because we are of an age that remembers what happens when the Conservatives are in power for any length of time.

And if UKIP get any power, it just means that we get Conservatives by the back door - and unfortunately it will be the old school right wing conservatives that care nothing about the common man.
[quote][p][bold]Spinflight[/bold] wrote: Benefit cheats given a slap on the wrist in a labour rotten borough? Is anyone really that shocked? If they clamped down on benefit fraud labour would lose half of it's vote... www.ukipnewport.com[/p][/quote]A cheap dig from a party that has 1 policy "kick out the immigrants, it's all their fault..." In the 26 years I have been of working age, I have claimed 3 months of benefits - yet I vote Labour. Everyone I know works and votes Labour because we are of an age that remembers what happens when the Conservatives are in power for any length of time. And if UKIP get any power, it just means that we get Conservatives by the back door - and unfortunately it will be the old school right wing conservatives that care nothing about the common man. ollie72
  • Score: 5

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