Scots axing tax

First published in Letters

WHILE Labour politicians in the Welsh Assembly talk about the cost of benefit cuts to the people of Wales. Bedroom tax axed in Scotland: Holyrood rivals back SNP Government’s £15 million plan to banish hated spare-room policy. Alex Salmond is to banish the bedroom tax from Scotland.

The Scottish Government has agreed to cover the full cost of housing benefit cuts for Scots hammered by the vicious Con-Dem policy.

Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said they are “more than willing” to put in the extra £15 million required.

All Jeff Cuthbert AM says don’t blame us which is true, blame the UK government is also true.

It’s how the Welsh Government deals with the hand dealt.

Andrew Nutt Heolddu Road Bargoed

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3:05pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.
Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok. Llanmartinangel
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3:17pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Walter Devereux says...

Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK... Walter Devereux
  • Score: 6

4:31pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
[quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -11

4:33pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
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Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'? Llanmartinangel
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4:48pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
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Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend.... GardenVarietyMushroom
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4:55pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
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Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend....[/p][/quote]You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

5:00pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
wrote:
Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.
No, these are political people whose affiliations are well known. Like I said, Peers, MP's (apparently at least 25% of Tory MP's are landlords) bankers who own buy-to-let mortgages etc...

I'm not making it up - it's been all over the twittersphere in the last 24 hours. Several papers have written articles about the story.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend....[/p][/quote]You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.[/p][/quote]No, these are political people whose affiliations are well known. Like I said, Peers, MP's (apparently at least 25% of Tory MP's are landlords) bankers who own buy-to-let mortgages etc... I'm not making it up - it's been all over the twittersphere in the last 24 hours. Several papers have written articles about the story. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -9

5:09pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
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Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.
No, these are political people whose affiliations are well known. Like I said, Peers, MP's (apparently at least 25% of Tory MP's are landlords) bankers who own buy-to-let mortgages etc...

I'm not making it up - it's been all over the twittersphere in the last 24 hours. Several papers have written articles about the story.
Hmm. Well given that the Tories benefit cap of £26k ripped the stuffing out of Labour's 'no upper limit to hand-outs', meaning that families choose to live in expensive London boroughs at rents up to £80k p.a., the landlords haven't done that well there have they.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend....[/p][/quote]You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.[/p][/quote]No, these are political people whose affiliations are well known. Like I said, Peers, MP's (apparently at least 25% of Tory MP's are landlords) bankers who own buy-to-let mortgages etc... I'm not making it up - it's been all over the twittersphere in the last 24 hours. Several papers have written articles about the story.[/p][/quote]Hmm. Well given that the Tories benefit cap of £26k ripped the stuffing out of Labour's 'no upper limit to hand-outs', meaning that families choose to live in expensive London boroughs at rents up to £80k p.a., the landlords haven't done that well there have they. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

5:28pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo





m
wrote:
Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.
No, these are political people whose affiliations are well known. Like I said, Peers, MP's (apparently at least 25% of Tory MP's are landlords) bankers who own buy-to-let mortgages etc...

I'm not making it up - it's been all over the twittersphere in the last 24 hours. Several papers have written articles about the story.
Hmm. Well given that the Tories benefit cap of £26k ripped the stuffing out of Labour's 'no upper limit to hand-outs', meaning that families choose to live in expensive London boroughs at rents up to £80k p.a., the landlords haven't done that well there have they.
Still - £35 billion in three years isn't a trifling amount, is it?

I did see a graph earlier today - can't for the life of me find it again now - but it does show that over 98% of housing benefit claimants get less than £10k/year in hb

I'm actually in favour of the housing benefit cap myself - people who pay up to 90K a year in rent really need to move house when they claim benefits I think
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend....[/p][/quote]You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.[/p][/quote]No, these are political people whose affiliations are well known. Like I said, Peers, MP's (apparently at least 25% of Tory MP's are landlords) bankers who own buy-to-let mortgages etc... I'm not making it up - it's been all over the twittersphere in the last 24 hours. Several papers have written articles about the story.[/p][/quote]Hmm. Well given that the Tories benefit cap of £26k ripped the stuffing out of Labour's 'no upper limit to hand-outs', meaning that families choose to live in expensive London boroughs at rents up to £80k p.a., the landlords haven't done that well there have they.[/p][/quote]Still - £35 billion in three years isn't a trifling amount, is it? I did see a graph earlier today - can't for the life of me find it again now - but it does show that over 98% of housing benefit claimants get less than £10k/year in hb I'm actually in favour of the housing benefit cap myself - people who pay up to 90K a year in rent really need to move house when they claim benefits I think GardenVarietyMushroom
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6:48pm Tue 25 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room. scraptheWAG
  • Score: -2

7:47pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all? GardenVarietyMushroom
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8:59pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.
So far nearly 40,000 families forced to pay the bedroom tax have done so via coercion, and, illegally, the councils have to repay them, because someone actually read the small print and found councils. Also anyone referring to twitter is probably out of it anyway, it is an highly unreliable source of information that often cannot be validated.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.[/p][/quote]So far nearly 40,000 families forced to pay the bedroom tax have done so via coercion, and, illegally, the councils have to repay them, because someone actually read the small print and found councils. Also anyone referring to twitter is probably out of it anyway, it is an highly unreliable source of information that often cannot be validated. Mervyn James
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9:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.
So far nearly 40,000 families forced to pay the bedroom tax have done so via coercion, and, illegally, the councils have to repay them, because someone actually read the small print and found councils. Also anyone referring to twitter is probably out of it anyway, it is an highly unreliable source of information that often cannot be validated.
Ah right, so Argus articles, or Guardian articles, or any other paper, academics, politicians, etc... etc... all according to you are unreliable just because I get pointed that way by twitter?

Twitter is not the information - not in the sense I was talking about - it's merely a guide to where the information can be found. I think anyone with half a head on their shoulders knows that.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.[/p][/quote]So far nearly 40,000 families forced to pay the bedroom tax have done so via coercion, and, illegally, the councils have to repay them, because someone actually read the small print and found councils. Also anyone referring to twitter is probably out of it anyway, it is an highly unreliable source of information that often cannot be validated.[/p][/quote]Ah right, so Argus articles, or Guardian articles, or any other paper, academics, politicians, etc... etc... all according to you are unreliable just because I get pointed that way by twitter? Twitter is not the information - not in the sense I was talking about - it's merely a guide to where the information can be found. I think anyone with half a head on their shoulders knows that. GardenVarietyMushroom
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9:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

Tory toff Richard Benyon is worth millions and makes his fortune from the very people he condemns. See our interactive map of money grabbing landlords.A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state. Richard Benyon – Britain’s richest MP – runs his vast property empire from a mansion on his sprawling country pile.
But last night he was accused of cashing in off the back of the very handouts his party pledged to slash – as it emerged a string of other Tories were doing the same.
Just last month the MP 53, said: “The average household spends £3,000 per year on the welfare state. This figure had been rising inexorably and unaffordably.”
Tory toff Richard Benyon is worth millions and makes his fortune from the very people he condemns. See our interactive map of money grabbing landlords.A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state. Richard Benyon – Britain’s richest MP – runs his vast property empire from a mansion on his sprawling country pile. But last night he was accused of cashing in off the back of the very handouts his party pledged to slash – as it emerged a string of other Tories were doing the same. Just last month the MP 53, said: “The average household spends £3,000 per year on the welfare state. This figure had been rising inexorably and unaffordably.” pwlldu
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9:35pm Tue 25 Feb 14

pwlldu says...

The millionaire pocketed £745,351 in housing benefit from occupants, who he admitted included immigrants.
Our probe also uncovered a number of other Tories and donors who also bagged cash through housing benefit tenants last year. Baron Iliffe’s firm got £195,072 from West Berkshire council. His estate is worth an estimated £245million. He and his wife have donated £50,000 to the Tories.
Peer Lord Cavendish benefitted from £106,938 in housing welfare last year from Barrow council in Cumbria through his shareholding in Holker Estates.
The Earl of Cadogan, who has given £23,000 to the Tories, has received £116,400 in benefits from Kensington and Chelsea. And MP Richard Drax’s 7,000-acre Morden Estate got £13,830 from Purbeck council, South Dorset, last year. A Morden spokesman said: “We don’t comment on these things.”
On top of Mr Benyon’s haul from tenants, his family farms have also received more than £2million in EU subsidies since 2000.
The millionaire pocketed £745,351 in housing benefit from occupants, who he admitted included immigrants. Our probe also uncovered a number of other Tories and donors who also bagged cash through housing benefit tenants last year. Baron Iliffe’s firm got £195,072 from West Berkshire council. His estate is worth an estimated £245million. He and his wife have donated £50,000 to the Tories. Peer Lord Cavendish benefitted from £106,938 in housing welfare last year from Barrow council in Cumbria through his shareholding in Holker Estates. The Earl of Cadogan, who has given £23,000 to the Tories, has received £116,400 in benefits from Kensington and Chelsea. And MP Richard Drax’s 7,000-acre Morden Estate got £13,830 from Purbeck council, South Dorset, last year. A Morden spokesman said: “We don’t comment on these things.” On top of Mr Benyon’s haul from tenants, his family farms have also received more than £2million in EU subsidies since 2000. pwlldu
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1:05pm Wed 26 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
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Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.
I agree 100% - the same as generalising Benefit Claimers or scroungers as Labour doesn't cut it either
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend....[/p][/quote]You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.[/p][/quote]I agree 100% - the same as generalising Benefit Claimers or scroungers as Labour doesn't cut it either BobEvams2014
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1:25pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Llanmartinangel says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
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Llanmartinangel wrote:
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m
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Walter Devereux wrote:
Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...
It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.
How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?
It's all over the papers my friend....
You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.
I agree 100% - the same as generalising Benefit Claimers or scroungers as Labour doesn't cut it either
I never have. You're mistaking me for someone else.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Walter Devereux[/bold] wrote: Yet more nationalist drivel. Are we to be happy that the publicity-hungry SNP is subsidising people on benefits to live in larger houses than they need while others go without? OK...[/p][/quote]It's been proved, beyond doubt, that the greatest beneficiaries of the bedroom tax are, in fact, tory landlords. From their twisted point of view, I'm sure they thought it was a masterstroke - why build more social housing to accomodate those in need, when you can victimise vulnerable people, and force them to the private sector, where a slew of Peers, MP's and their drinking buddies can profit from it.[/p][/quote]How do you know they are 'Tory landlords'?[/p][/quote]It's all over the papers my friend....[/p][/quote]You mean the reporters were in the polling stations? Sorry but generalising 'landlords' as 'Tories' doesn't cut it.[/p][/quote]I agree 100% - the same as generalising Benefit Claimers or scroungers as Labour doesn't cut it either[/p][/quote]I never have. You're mistaking me for someone else. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

5:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.
So far nearly 40,000 families forced to pay the bedroom tax have done so via coercion, and, illegally, the councils have to repay them, because someone actually read the small print and found councils. Also anyone referring to twitter is probably out of it anyway, it is an highly unreliable source of information that often cannot be validated.
Ah right, so Argus articles, or Guardian articles, or any other paper, academics, politicians, etc... etc... all according to you are unreliable just because I get pointed that way by twitter?

Twitter is not the information - not in the sense I was talking about - it's merely a guide to where the information can be found. I think anyone with half a head on their shoulders knows that.
I don't read the Guardian it as bit pathetic to be honest and bit lefty and minority-driven. IT's a step up from the people that move their fingers along the page and stare at the large print. Twitter describes itself pretty accurately with no need from me. The Argus is a local paper we don't expect life changing headlines here. The anti-national people here are just the beggars with their hands out. Not content with continually railing at the Welsh Assembly windmill, it now charges at the Scottish one. It's quite difficult to take them seriously.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: Which budget do you imagine the Scots pinched the money from? Someone else has been deprived to pay for it. Their block grant is finite just like Wales. Mind you if the Assembly want to take it from the Welsh language budget, that'd be ok.[/p][/quote]So far nearly 40,000 families forced to pay the bedroom tax have done so via coercion, and, illegally, the councils have to repay them, because someone actually read the small print and found councils. Also anyone referring to twitter is probably out of it anyway, it is an highly unreliable source of information that often cannot be validated.[/p][/quote]Ah right, so Argus articles, or Guardian articles, or any other paper, academics, politicians, etc... etc... all according to you are unreliable just because I get pointed that way by twitter? Twitter is not the information - not in the sense I was talking about - it's merely a guide to where the information can be found. I think anyone with half a head on their shoulders knows that.[/p][/quote]I don't read the Guardian it as bit pathetic to be honest and bit lefty and minority-driven. IT's a step up from the people that move their fingers along the page and stare at the large print. Twitter describes itself pretty accurately with no need from me. The Argus is a local paper we don't expect life changing headlines here. The anti-national people here are just the beggars with their hands out. Not content with continually railing at the Welsh Assembly windmill, it now charges at the Scottish one. It's quite difficult to take them seriously. Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

8:16am Thu 27 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life scraptheWAG
  • Score: -5

8:17am Thu 27 Feb 14

scraptheWAG says...

pwlldu wrote:
The millionaire pocketed £745,351 in housing benefit from occupants, who he admitted included immigrants.
Our probe also uncovered a number of other Tories and donors who also bagged cash through housing benefit tenants last year. Baron Iliffe’s firm got £195,072 from West Berkshire council. His estate is worth an estimated £245million. He and his wife have donated £50,000 to the Tories.
Peer Lord Cavendish benefitted from £106,938 in housing welfare last year from Barrow council in Cumbria through his shareholding in Holker Estates.
The Earl of Cadogan, who has given £23,000 to the Tories, has received £116,400 in benefits from Kensington and Chelsea. And MP Richard Drax’s 7,000-acre Morden Estate got £13,830 from Purbeck council, South Dorset, last year. A Morden spokesman said: “We don’t comment on these things.”
On top of Mr Benyon’s haul from tenants, his family farms have also received more than £2million in EU subsidies since 2000.
disgraceful labour flooded the country full of people pushing up cost of living and wages down good old labour - and yes cameron has yet to get a grip on it
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: The millionaire pocketed £745,351 in housing benefit from occupants, who he admitted included immigrants. Our probe also uncovered a number of other Tories and donors who also bagged cash through housing benefit tenants last year. Baron Iliffe’s firm got £195,072 from West Berkshire council. His estate is worth an estimated £245million. He and his wife have donated £50,000 to the Tories. Peer Lord Cavendish benefitted from £106,938 in housing welfare last year from Barrow council in Cumbria through his shareholding in Holker Estates. The Earl of Cadogan, who has given £23,000 to the Tories, has received £116,400 in benefits from Kensington and Chelsea. And MP Richard Drax’s 7,000-acre Morden Estate got £13,830 from Purbeck council, South Dorset, last year. A Morden spokesman said: “We don’t comment on these things.” On top of Mr Benyon’s haul from tenants, his family farms have also received more than £2million in EU subsidies since 2000.[/p][/quote]disgraceful labour flooded the country full of people pushing up cost of living and wages down good old labour - and yes cameron has yet to get a grip on it scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

9:28am Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

12:33pm Thu 27 Feb 14

welshmen says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

2:32pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people?

Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually.

Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again.

I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people? Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually. Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again. I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me.

The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me. The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either. BobEvams2014
  • Score: 6

5:54pm Thu 27 Feb 14

welshmen says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo




m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people?

Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually.

Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again.

I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.
How does your ego get through your front door, plenty of ideas and no party to support, no wonder you posts frustrate you, excuse me I forget mushrooms an anarchist, bet that hurt your big ego.... Tell me whats it like knowing more than anybody else on here and NOT voting for it....
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people? Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually. Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again. I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.[/p][/quote]How does your ego get through your front door, plenty of ideas and no party to support, no wonder you posts frustrate you, excuse me I forget mushrooms an anarchist, bet that hurt your big ego.... Tell me whats it like knowing more than anybody else on here and NOT voting for it.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

6:12pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo





m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people?

Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually.

Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again.

I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.
How does your ego get through your front door, plenty of ideas and no party to support, no wonder you posts frustrate you, excuse me I forget mushrooms an anarchist, bet that hurt your big ego.... Tell me whats it like knowing more than anybody else on here and NOT voting for it....
Sorry welshmen, I don't speak irate racist - so I have no idea what the hell all that means.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people? Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually. Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again. I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.[/p][/quote]How does your ego get through your front door, plenty of ideas and no party to support, no wonder you posts frustrate you, excuse me I forget mushrooms an anarchist, bet that hurt your big ego.... Tell me whats it like knowing more than anybody else on here and NOT voting for it....[/p][/quote]Sorry welshmen, I don't speak irate racist - so I have no idea what the hell all that means. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

6:58pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Now hold it right there, ScraptheWag made the following statement regarding the unemployed :- ' they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life '
Now he was challenged by GardenVarietyMushroo
m to produce evidence to back that statement up, he hasn't backed it up, because clearly he can't.

It beats me why you want to stick up for someone who makes statements knowing they are untrue.
[quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Now hold it right there, ScraptheWag made the following statement regarding the unemployed :- ' they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life ' Now he was challenged by GardenVarietyMushroo m to produce evidence to back that statement up, he hasn't backed it up, because clearly he can't. It beats me why you want to stick up for someone who makes statements knowing they are untrue. Mr Angry
  • Score: -2

8:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo




m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me.

The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.
Into the realms of utter fantasy now. They cannot provide proof labour voters are benefit scrounging scum and chavs on drugs and booze, not a shred of evidence. Right wing ? Hitler was a luvvie compared with some here !
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me. The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.[/p][/quote]Into the realms of utter fantasy now. They cannot provide proof labour voters are benefit scrounging scum and chavs on drugs and booze, not a shred of evidence. Right wing ? Hitler was a luvvie compared with some here ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

12:17am Fri 28 Feb 14

cymruamblyth says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo




m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me.

The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.
Don't you mean the left wing click off Old Man Rogers and his precious boot licking little buddy? Both for reasons of ideological dogma, seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed..

According to some SWA posters the indigenous UK population fit your description, hence why we need mass immigration.. Do I have to spoon feed the conclusion to you? It's obvious that if you force companies to pay immigrants the same wage as Brits, then they have no incentive to hire them over citizens.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me. The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean the left wing click off Old Man Rogers and his precious boot licking little buddy? Both for reasons of ideological dogma, seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed.. According to some SWA posters the indigenous UK population fit your description, hence why we need mass immigration.. Do I have to spoon feed the conclusion to you? It's obvious that if you force companies to pay immigrants the same wage as Brits, then they have no incentive to hire them over citizens. cymruamblyth
  • Score: -3

7:03am Fri 28 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo





m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me.

The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.
Don't you mean the left wing click off Old Man Rogers and his precious boot licking little buddy? Both for reasons of ideological dogma, seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed..

According to some SWA posters the indigenous UK population fit your description, hence why we need mass immigration.. Do I have to spoon feed the conclusion to you? It's obvious that if you force companies to pay immigrants the same wage as Brits, then they have no incentive to hire them over citizens.
Incoherent? Check.
Incomprehensible? Check.
Irrelevent? Check.

If you can keep it up you might even steal welshmen's crown
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Scrap the wag is right, ALL- every single last one of the unemployed do not want a job, want to smoke and drink and take drugs continually , and all vote Labour. That is fact - no evidence is needed and quite frankly how you have the nerve to even question these statements is beyond me. The right wing clique on this forum should have worked for the West Midland Police Serious Crime Squad - they never needed evidence either.[/p][/quote]Don't you mean the left wing click off Old Man Rogers and his precious boot licking little buddy? Both for reasons of ideological dogma, seek to prevent these issues from being acknowledged or even discussed.. According to some SWA posters the indigenous UK population fit your description, hence why we need mass immigration.. Do I have to spoon feed the conclusion to you? It's obvious that if you force companies to pay immigrants the same wage as Brits, then they have no incentive to hire them over citizens.[/p][/quote]Incoherent? Check. Incomprehensible? Check. Irrelevent? Check. If you can keep it up you might even steal welshmen's crown GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -1

10:37am Fri 28 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

reports suggest welsh people are against the scots having independence too, as if it is anyone's business but theirs. At least the scots want to get out of the hole London has left them in, as averse to wales who are wetting themselves London won't bail them out every day, we have become a nation of aggressive beggars, prepared to attack each other so long as the handouts continue. IN reality the huge cuts to everything in wales is because London has had enough of the outstretched hand..

The WAG goes tomorrow what do they think will replace it ? a 'welsh office' again ? Run by Tories ? They tried that and they weer kicked out. Tories were out to punish wales for being a labour stronghold. They would make all of us pay if they got in, even their ardent poster support here. But mostly those who would fare worst will get the most attacks.

We have to ask what scares posters so much Wales would govern itself, most already agree they should have more powers, even f against Independence, logically the more powers you have the less you want to listen to people who don't live here. Laws that benefit Wales, I can see a lot of point in that.

All the WAG attacks are based on the way they have to manage on 40% handouts and have to find the rest, anyone here who can solve that issue ? Spending the lot on health/education and SS would still see huge cuts,the money isn't here, we are getting less and less, the madness of immigration has to stop whereby our own cannot get work and are undercut by transient labour..

Yesterday another bus-load came here from Romania, the BBC interviewed them, none had a job to go to.... so they already know how to get benefits ?
reports suggest welsh people are against the scots having independence too, as if it is anyone's business but theirs. At least the scots want to get out of the hole London has left them in, as averse to wales who are wetting themselves London won't bail them out every day, we have become a nation of aggressive beggars, prepared to attack each other so long as the handouts continue. IN reality the huge cuts to everything in wales is because London has had enough of the outstretched hand.. The WAG goes tomorrow what do they think will replace it ? a 'welsh office' again ? Run by Tories ? They tried that and they weer kicked out. Tories were out to punish wales for being a labour stronghold. They would make all of us pay if they got in, even their ardent poster support here. But mostly those who would fare worst will get the most attacks. We have to ask what scares posters so much Wales would govern itself, most already agree they should have more powers, even f against Independence, logically the more powers you have the less you want to listen to people who don't live here. Laws that benefit Wales, I can see a lot of point in that. All the WAG attacks are based on the way they have to manage on 40% handouts and have to find the rest, anyone here who can solve that issue ? Spending the lot on health/education and SS would still see huge cuts,the money isn't here, we are getting less and less, the madness of immigration has to stop whereby our own cannot get work and are undercut by transient labour.. Yesterday another bus-load came here from Romania, the BBC interviewed them, none had a job to go to.... so they already know how to get benefits ? Mervyn James
  • Score: 2

2:40pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

pwlldu wrote:
Tory toff Richard Benyon is worth millions and makes his fortune from the very people he condemns. See our interactive map of money grabbing landlords.A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state. Richard Benyon – Britain’s richest MP – runs his vast property empire from a mansion on his sprawling country pile.
But last night he was accused of cashing in off the back of the very handouts his party pledged to slash – as it emerged a string of other Tories were doing the same.
Just last month the MP 53, said: “The average household spends £3,000 per year on the welfare state. This figure had been rising inexorably and unaffordably.”
I suspect a lot of Labour lefties are raking a fair sum of rents in as well.
At least the Tories admit their wealthy, unlike the Labour Party who are happy to say that they support welfare dependants and the poor while feeding at the trough themselves.
Hypocrites.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Tory toff Richard Benyon is worth millions and makes his fortune from the very people he condemns. See our interactive map of money grabbing landlords.A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state. Richard Benyon – Britain’s richest MP – runs his vast property empire from a mansion on his sprawling country pile. But last night he was accused of cashing in off the back of the very handouts his party pledged to slash – as it emerged a string of other Tories were doing the same. Just last month the MP 53, said: “The average household spends £3,000 per year on the welfare state. This figure had been rising inexorably and unaffordably.”[/p][/quote]I suspect a lot of Labour lefties are raking a fair sum of rents in as well. At least the Tories admit their wealthy, unlike the Labour Party who are happy to say that they support welfare dependants and the poor while feeding at the trough themselves. Hypocrites. Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -3

2:42pm Fri 28 Feb 14

Cymru Am Beth says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo


m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo




m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people?

Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually.

Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again.

I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.
And remind me which party do you vote for?
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people? Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually. Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again. I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.[/p][/quote]And remind me which party do you vote for? Cymru Am Beth
  • Score: -1

4:49pm Fri 28 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
welshmen wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo



m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo





m
wrote:
scraptheWAG wrote:
perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.
First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology.

Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?
they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life
Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence.

So, just to remind you;

Evidence (noun)
The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi
Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....
Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people?

Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually.

Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again.

I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.
And remind me which party do you vote for?
I advocate direct democracy and consensus politics - so I don't 'vote' for anyone. I think it's stupid.
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]welshmen[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: perhaps they could take from education or we could shut all the sports centres to let the lazy and the idle have a spare room.[/p][/quote]First of all, lazy and idle is a tautology. Secondly, what evidence do you have that these people are lazy at all?[/p][/quote]they refuse to get a job and want to smoke and drink their way through life[/p][/quote]Hate to break it to you but continually spouting your banal prejudice does not, by any stretch of the imagination, constitute evidence. So, just to remind you; Evidence (noun) The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. Either put up, or PLEASE shut the hell up. Or better yet, our Italian cousins have an excellent phrase for people like you - Cagati in mano e prenditi a schiaffi[/p][/quote]Can't help your self can you, like to insult anyone with a different post to your theme, we are still just in a democracy, although you would prefer a dictatorship with you playing the leading roll part, chill out and stop insulting posters....[/p][/quote]Hahaha - that's rich coming from you. Me insult people? Told you before we don't live in a democracy - either technically, legally or indeed actually. Anarchist dictator? Showing your ignorance again. I'm always chilled and I certainly don't take orders from the likes of you.[/p][/quote]And remind me which party do you vote for?[/p][/quote]I advocate direct democracy and consensus politics - so I don't 'vote' for anyone. I think it's stupid. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

12:17am Sat 1 Mar 14

cymruamblyth says...

Welshman didn't he talk like Ali G, and used to threaten people with violence over the internet?

I remember this person found it difficult to maintain a consistent argument which meant he had to lie and dismiss any previous statements posted by himself in order to come out on top.

At least we know who Bob Evans internet stalker is.
Welshman didn't he talk like Ali G, and used to threaten people with violence over the internet? I remember this person found it difficult to maintain a consistent argument which meant he had to lie and dismiss any previous statements posted by himself in order to come out on top. At least we know who Bob Evans internet stalker is. cymruamblyth
  • Score: -3

10:06am Sat 1 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
Welshman didn't he talk like Ali G, and used to threaten people with violence over the internet?

I remember this person found it difficult to maintain a consistent argument which meant he had to lie and dismiss any previous statements posted by himself in order to come out on top.

At least we know who Bob Evans internet stalker is.
Can I just say it's a little weird that in the last two days, at precisely 12:17am you've written two comments that make no sense?
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Welshman didn't he talk like Ali G, and used to threaten people with violence over the internet? I remember this person found it difficult to maintain a consistent argument which meant he had to lie and dismiss any previous statements posted by himself in order to come out on top. At least we know who Bob Evans internet stalker is.[/p][/quote]Can I just say it's a little weird that in the last two days, at precisely 12:17am you've written two comments that make no sense? GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

9:42am Sun 2 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Cymru Am Beth wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
Tory toff Richard Benyon is worth millions and makes his fortune from the very people he condemns. See our interactive map of money grabbing landlords.A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state. Richard Benyon – Britain’s richest MP – runs his vast property empire from a mansion on his sprawling country pile.
But last night he was accused of cashing in off the back of the very handouts his party pledged to slash – as it emerged a string of other Tories were doing the same.
Just last month the MP 53, said: “The average household spends £3,000 per year on the welfare state. This figure had been rising inexorably and unaffordably.”
I suspect a lot of Labour lefties are raking a fair sum of rents in as well.
At least the Tories admit their wealthy, unlike the Labour Party who are happy to say that they support welfare dependants and the poor while feeding at the trough themselves.
Hypocrites.
yes good old labour like lining their pockets with taxpayers cash
[quote][p][bold]Cymru Am Beth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Tory toff Richard Benyon is worth millions and makes his fortune from the very people he condemns. See our interactive map of money grabbing landlords.A Tory MP worth £110million is raking in £625,000 a year from his hard-up tenants’ housing benefit – despite blasting the “something for nothing” welfare state. Richard Benyon – Britain’s richest MP – runs his vast property empire from a mansion on his sprawling country pile. But last night he was accused of cashing in off the back of the very handouts his party pledged to slash – as it emerged a string of other Tories were doing the same. Just last month the MP 53, said: “The average household spends £3,000 per year on the welfare state. This figure had been rising inexorably and unaffordably.”[/p][/quote]I suspect a lot of Labour lefties are raking a fair sum of rents in as well. At least the Tories admit their wealthy, unlike the Labour Party who are happy to say that they support welfare dependants and the poor while feeding at the trough themselves. Hypocrites.[/p][/quote]yes good old labour like lining their pockets with taxpayers cash scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

10:00am Sun 2 Mar 14

welshmen says...

cymruamblyth wrote:
Welshman didn't he talk like Ali G, and used to threaten people with violence over the internet?

I remember this person found it difficult to maintain a consistent argument which meant he had to lie and dismiss any previous statements posted by himself in order to come out on top.

At least we know who Bob Evans internet stalker is.
If you have something to say cymruamblyh say it, address your post to me, what party do you support, or are you like most on here non supporters of any party, just moan at everybody with a positive support for our Country....
[quote][p][bold]cymruamblyth[/bold] wrote: Welshman didn't he talk like Ali G, and used to threaten people with violence over the internet? I remember this person found it difficult to maintain a consistent argument which meant he had to lie and dismiss any previous statements posted by himself in order to come out on top. At least we know who Bob Evans internet stalker is.[/p][/quote]If you have something to say cymruamblyh say it, address your post to me, what party do you support, or are you like most on here non supporters of any party, just moan at everybody with a positive support for our Country.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

9:36am Tue 4 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

"are you like most on here non supporters of any party, just moan at everybody with a positive support for our Country...."

Most here are....... they want to live in England and stuck in Wales or something. Few of them want to live here.
"are you like most on here non supporters of any party, just moan at everybody with a positive support for our Country...." Most here are....... they want to live in England and stuck in Wales or something. Few of them want to live here. Mervyn James
  • Score: 1

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