Postal voting

I READ with concern that UKIP is calling for a ban on postal voting.

This would be grossly unfair to people who have a disability or are elderly and are unable to make it to a polling station. It’s not fair to deprive these people of their right to vote.

Derek Vaughan Welsh Labour MEP Cardiff

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2:18pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

There was a great picture posted on twitter today taking the mickey out of UKIP. I just have to share (the text of) it.

The UKIP keyboard - Only £29.99 (or 500 Euros)

Lovingly crafted in the style of an old typewriter, to remind you of the good old days before the country went to hell in a handcart. It has a range of features;
- 'Always on' Caps lock to ensure they understand how OUTRAGED YOU REALLY ARE!!
- Save time with the LIB/LAB/CON and other shortcut buttons.
- Spell 'indigenous' however the hell you like with the 'no spellcheck' function.
- Spacebar removed - we all know there's no space in this country.
- when things go a bit wrong, weasel out of it with the 'Backtrack' function, or try the 'Dismiss Manifesto' option. And if all else fails just tap 'Ctrl/Alt/Resign'
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There was a great picture posted on twitter today taking the mickey out of UKIP. I just have to share (the text of) it. The UKIP keyboard - Only £29.99 (or 500 Euros) Lovingly crafted in the style of an old typewriter, to remind you of the good old days before the country went to hell in a handcart. It has a range of features; - 'Always on' Caps lock to ensure they understand how OUTRAGED YOU REALLY ARE!! - Save time with the LIB/LAB/CON and other shortcut buttons. - Spell 'indigenous' however the hell you like with the 'no spellcheck' function. - Spacebar removed - we all know there's no space in this country. - when things go a bit wrong, weasel out of it with the 'Backtrack' function, or try the 'Dismiss Manifesto' option. And if all else fails just tap 'Ctrl/Alt/Resign' - Get your spot next to David DImbleby with the BBC Question TIme booking function. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 7

3:31pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Mr Angry says...

This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote
Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no
This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no Mr Angry
  • Score: 9

3:42pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

Mr Angry wrote:
This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote
Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no
Rubbish Mr Angry, the only reason Labour won the recent by election was because they fiddled the postal votes, take out the postal votes the and the votes cast bydole and benefit scroungers and UKIP would have romped home !

Its time that anyone on any Benefit was denied the vote together with all public sector workers.

As for the tripe about old folk with mobilty issues, they should make their own arrangements, and if someones on holiday - tough you don't vote or rearrange your holiday.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no[/p][/quote]Rubbish Mr Angry, the only reason Labour won the recent by election was because they fiddled the postal votes, take out the postal votes the and the votes cast bydole and benefit scroungers and UKIP would have romped home ! Its time that anyone on any Benefit was denied the vote together with all public sector workers. As for the tripe about old folk with mobilty issues, they should make their own arrangements, and if someones on holiday - tough you don't vote or rearrange your holiday. BobEvams2014
  • Score: -7

4:04pm Thu 27 Feb 14

wonkotsane says...

He's a Labour MEP, shame on you all for being so easily taken in by a lying politician. UKIP wants an end to the automatic right to a postal vote because postal vote fraud is rife. Almost all the postal vote fraud cases recently have involved Labour politicians and supporters so it's hardly surprising that a Labour MEP wants to keep a fraud-ridden system. If you are disabled or out of the country on election day or unable to get to the polling station because of an illness, etc. then of course you would continue to be allowed to vote by post but if not then you should go to the polling station. There are too many cases of postal votes being collected by "community leaders" or of party activists going into nursing homes to "help" the residents fill out their postal ballots and other fraudulent activity to continue offering postal voting to anyone who wants it. If it results in a drop in turnout then so be it, at least you know the result is less likely to be fraudulent.
He's a Labour MEP, shame on you all for being so easily taken in by a lying politician. UKIP wants an end to the automatic right to a postal vote because postal vote fraud is rife. Almost all the postal vote fraud cases recently have involved Labour politicians and supporters so it's hardly surprising that a Labour MEP wants to keep a fraud-ridden system. If you are disabled or out of the country on election day or unable to get to the polling station because of an illness, etc. then of course you would continue to be allowed to vote by post but if not then you should go to the polling station. There are too many cases of postal votes being collected by "community leaders" or of party activists going into nursing homes to "help" the residents fill out their postal ballots and other fraudulent activity to continue offering postal voting to anyone who wants it. If it results in a drop in turnout then so be it, at least you know the result is less likely to be fraudulent. wonkotsane
  • Score: -7

4:06pm Thu 27 Feb 14

wonkotsane says...

Mr Angry wrote:
This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote
Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no
It's not UKIP's idea, it's a Labour MEP's misrepresentation of a UKIP policy to stop people having postal votes who don't need them (clearly your in-laws would) to cut down on rampant postal voting fraud.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no[/p][/quote]It's not UKIP's idea, it's a Labour MEP's misrepresentation of a UKIP policy to stop people having postal votes who don't need them (clearly your in-laws would) to cut down on rampant postal voting fraud. wonkotsane
  • Score: -5

4:15pm Thu 27 Feb 14

BobEvams2014 says...

wonkotsane wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote
Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no
It's not UKIP's idea, it's a Labour MEP's misrepresentation of a UKIP policy to stop people having postal votes who don't need them (clearly your in-laws would) to cut down on rampant postal voting fraud.
I agree , we should get ATOS to decide who gets a postal vote and who doesn't
[quote][p][bold]wonkotsane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no[/p][/quote]It's not UKIP's idea, it's a Labour MEP's misrepresentation of a UKIP policy to stop people having postal votes who don't need them (clearly your in-laws would) to cut down on rampant postal voting fraud.[/p][/quote]I agree , we should get ATOS to decide who gets a postal vote and who doesn't BobEvams2014
  • Score: -1

4:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

wonkotsane says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
wonkotsane wrote:
Mr Angry wrote:
This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote
Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no
It's not UKIP's idea, it's a Labour MEP's misrepresentation of a UKIP policy to stop people having postal votes who don't need them (clearly your in-laws would) to cut down on rampant postal voting fraud.
I agree , we should get ATOS to decide who gets a postal vote and who doesn't
BobEvams2014 wrote:
I agree , we should get ATOS to decide who gets a postal vote and who doesn't


Labour employed ATOS, the Tories and Lib Dems stood by while a massive injustice was perpetrated. Only UKIP have consistently criticised ATOS' handling of the scheme to get disabled people into work. I don't think ATOS will be getting any government contracts for the foreseeable future. We could, of course, go back to the previous rules that worked perfectly well and allowed you to get proxy or postal votes if you met the criteria. I had a postal vote under the old rules many years ago because I was recovering from an operation and couldn't get to the polling station. It worked, it was changed to try and increase voter participation and instead participation has reduced and fraud has increased.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wonkotsane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Angry[/bold] wrote: This is the most stupid idea of UKIPs yet. My in laws both in there late 80's have postal votes, last election one of my nieghbours ( a die hard Tory by the way). Was on holiday on Election day had a postal vote, so in UKIP's eyes if you are on holiday you can't vote, old and have mobility issues you can't vote Postal votes need looking at and tightning and checks made, but abolishing no[/p][/quote]It's not UKIP's idea, it's a Labour MEP's misrepresentation of a UKIP policy to stop people having postal votes who don't need them (clearly your in-laws would) to cut down on rampant postal voting fraud.[/p][/quote]I agree , we should get ATOS to decide who gets a postal vote and who doesn't[/p][/quote][quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote]I agree , we should get ATOS to decide who gets a postal vote and who doesn't[/quote][/quote] Labour employed ATOS, the Tories and Lib Dems stood by while a massive injustice was perpetrated. Only UKIP have consistently criticised ATOS' handling of the scheme to get disabled people into work. I don't think ATOS will be getting any government contracts for the foreseeable future. We could, of course, go back to the previous rules that worked perfectly well and allowed you to get proxy or postal votes if you met the criteria. I had a postal vote under the old rules many years ago because I was recovering from an operation and couldn't get to the polling station. It worked, it was changed to try and increase voter participation and instead participation has reduced and fraud has increased. wonkotsane
  • Score: -11

4:35pm Thu 27 Feb 14

welshmen says...

Nothing wrong with postal voting, as long as the voter is a live, because in London a lot of Councils rely on the dead to get them into power, the Police are looking into that type of Postal voting fraud, on the up side The British National Party promote the postal vote, In my opinion our voting should change too, who has your first choice vote, who has your second choice vote, much fairer system, the Labour Party rely on the postal voter, they have been promoting postal voting for years, the Labour Party also promote that a Vote for the British National Party is a vote to cut your benefits that works too....
Nothing wrong with postal voting, as long as the voter is a live, because in London a lot of Councils rely on the dead to get them into power, the Police are looking into that type of Postal voting fraud, on the up side The British National Party promote the postal vote, In my opinion our voting should change too, who has your first choice vote, who has your second choice vote, much fairer system, the Labour Party rely on the postal voter, they have been promoting postal voting for years, the Labour Party also promote that a Vote for the British National Party is a vote to cut your benefits that works too.... welshmen
  • Score: 1

4:35pm Thu 27 Feb 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Errr... ATOS just scored the contract to extract data from medical records. Besides, amongst others, they have all sorts of MoD and Home office contracts - you really think they don't know where all the skeletons are? That they don't know all the dirty little secrets of powerful people. You don't just turn your back on a company like that.
Errr... ATOS just scored the contract to extract data from medical records. Besides, amongst others, they have all sorts of MoD and Home office contracts - you really think they don't know where all the skeletons are? That they don't know all the dirty little secrets of powerful people. You don't just turn your back on a company like that. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 5

7:58pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Mervyn James says...

wonkotsane wrote:
He's a Labour MEP, shame on you all for being so easily taken in by a lying politician. UKIP wants an end to the automatic right to a postal vote because postal vote fraud is rife. Almost all the postal vote fraud cases recently have involved Labour politicians and supporters so it's hardly surprising that a Labour MEP wants to keep a fraud-ridden system. If you are disabled or out of the country on election day or unable to get to the polling station because of an illness, etc. then of course you would continue to be allowed to vote by post but if not then you should go to the polling station. There are too many cases of postal votes being collected by "community leaders" or of party activists going into nursing homes to "help" the residents fill out their postal ballots and other fraudulent activity to continue offering postal voting to anyone who wants it. If it results in a drop in turnout then so be it, at least you know the result is less likely to be fraudulent.
THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN THIS, ALSO ETHNIC/MIGRANTS EXPLOITED THE POSTAL VOTE, AND LANDLORDS. ONE PROBLEM ALSO WAS COMMUNICATION IMPAIRED VOTERS WERE NOT INFORMED OR CONSULTED ON ISSUES. HAD DIFFICULTY AT THE VOTING BOOTHS.

REGARDLESS HOW THEY SORT OUT THE POSTAL VOTE, LABOUR WILL STILL GET IN, BECAUSE THE WELSH DESPISE TORIES. THEY WILL VOTE ANYONE BUT....
[quote][p][bold]wonkotsane[/bold] wrote: He's a Labour MEP, shame on you all for being so easily taken in by a lying politician. UKIP wants an end to the automatic right to a postal vote because postal vote fraud is rife. Almost all the postal vote fraud cases recently have involved Labour politicians and supporters so it's hardly surprising that a Labour MEP wants to keep a fraud-ridden system. If you are disabled or out of the country on election day or unable to get to the polling station because of an illness, etc. then of course you would continue to be allowed to vote by post but if not then you should go to the polling station. There are too many cases of postal votes being collected by "community leaders" or of party activists going into nursing homes to "help" the residents fill out their postal ballots and other fraudulent activity to continue offering postal voting to anyone who wants it. If it results in a drop in turnout then so be it, at least you know the result is less likely to be fraudulent.[/p][/quote]THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN THIS, ALSO ETHNIC/MIGRANTS EXPLOITED THE POSTAL VOTE, AND LANDLORDS. ONE PROBLEM ALSO WAS COMMUNICATION IMPAIRED VOTERS WERE NOT INFORMED OR CONSULTED ON ISSUES. HAD DIFFICULTY AT THE VOTING BOOTHS. REGARDLESS HOW THEY SORT OUT THE POSTAL VOTE, LABOUR WILL STILL GET IN, BECAUSE THE WELSH DESPISE TORIES. THEY WILL VOTE ANYONE BUT.... Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

12:12am Fri 28 Feb 14

Spinflight says...

Typically subreptile smear from a labour politician.

UKIP has never called for a ban on postal voting.

As previous commentators with common sense have pointed out it is the automatic right to a postal vote which is at the root of the serious and dangerous frauds surrounding them.

The elderly and disabled, or anyone who legitimately cannot attend a polling station, will always be able to cast their vote by post.

Everyone else should do it in the privacy of a voting booth where no undue pressure can be applied.

Is that not just common sense?


www.ukipnewport.com
Typically subreptile smear from a labour politician. UKIP has never called for a ban on postal voting. As previous commentators with common sense have pointed out it is the automatic right to a postal vote which is at the root of the serious and dangerous frauds surrounding them. The elderly and disabled, or anyone who legitimately cannot attend a polling station, will always be able to cast their vote by post. Everyone else should do it in the privacy of a voting booth where no undue pressure can be applied. Is that not just common sense? www.ukipnewport.com Spinflight
  • Score: -1

8:41am Fri 28 Feb 14

Bobevans says...

More false information about UKIP, They have never called for a total ban on Postal voting just that it should go back to the old system where you have to have a valid reason for a Postal vote and this only until a more secure form of postal voting can be found

remember the polls currently show that UKIP will come second in Wales in the EU elections. They have a lot of support in Wales and the other main parties are worried as they wish to keep the two party cartel going
More false information about UKIP, They have never called for a total ban on Postal voting just that it should go back to the old system where you have to have a valid reason for a Postal vote and this only until a more secure form of postal voting can be found remember the polls currently show that UKIP will come second in Wales in the EU elections. They have a lot of support in Wales and the other main parties are worried as they wish to keep the two party cartel going Bobevans
  • Score: -3

9:06am Fri 28 Feb 14

wonkotsane says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
Errr... ATOS just scored the contract to extract data from medical records. Besides, amongst others, they have all sorts of MoD and Home office contracts - you really think they don't know where all the skeletons are? That they don't know all the dirty little secrets of powerful people. You don't just turn your back on a company like that.
I didn't know that. Will they never learn? On the plus side, it'll make more people hate the Tories.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Errr... ATOS just scored the contract to extract data from medical records. Besides, amongst others, they have all sorts of MoD and Home office contracts - you really think they don't know where all the skeletons are? That they don't know all the dirty little secrets of powerful people. You don't just turn your back on a company like that.[/p][/quote]I didn't know that. Will they never learn? On the plus side, it'll make more people hate the Tories. wonkotsane
  • Score: 1

1:54pm Sat 1 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

wonkotsane wrote:
GardenVarietyMushroo

m
wrote:
Errr... ATOS just scored the contract to extract data from medical records. Besides, amongst others, they have all sorts of MoD and Home office contracts - you really think they don't know where all the skeletons are? That they don't know all the dirty little secrets of powerful people. You don't just turn your back on a company like that.
I didn't know that. Will they never learn? On the plus side, it'll make more people hate the Tories.
Never a bad thing in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]wonkotsane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: Errr... ATOS just scored the contract to extract data from medical records. Besides, amongst others, they have all sorts of MoD and Home office contracts - you really think they don't know where all the skeletons are? That they don't know all the dirty little secrets of powerful people. You don't just turn your back on a company like that.[/p][/quote]I didn't know that. Will they never learn? On the plus side, it'll make more people hate the Tories.[/p][/quote]Never a bad thing in my opinion GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

Bobevans wrote:
More false information about UKIP, They have never called for a total ban on Postal voting just that it should go back to the old system where you have to have a valid reason for a Postal vote and this only until a more secure form of postal voting can be found

remember the polls currently show that UKIP will come second in Wales in the EU elections. They have a lot of support in Wales and the other main parties are worried as they wish to keep the two party cartel going
I went on UKIPS website, couldn't find any policies. Lots of pictures of Nigel looking statesman like ..... difficult I know.

I remember the previous website where the bits about Wales and Scotland were identical, strange that, only difference was in the Welsh article they said WAG , and replace Wales for Scotland, Welsh for Scottish, AM for MSP and in the Scottish bit they said Holyrood, apart from that it was word for word identical - clearly lot of thought went into that.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: More false information about UKIP, They have never called for a total ban on Postal voting just that it should go back to the old system where you have to have a valid reason for a Postal vote and this only until a more secure form of postal voting can be found remember the polls currently show that UKIP will come second in Wales in the EU elections. They have a lot of support in Wales and the other main parties are worried as they wish to keep the two party cartel going[/p][/quote]I went on UKIPS website, couldn't find any policies. Lots of pictures of Nigel looking statesman like ..... difficult I know. I remember the previous website where the bits about Wales and Scotland were identical, strange that, only difference was in the Welsh article they said WAG , and replace Wales for Scotland, Welsh for Scottish, AM for MSP and in the Scottish bit they said Holyrood, apart from that it was word for word identical - clearly lot of thought went into that. Mr Angry
  • Score: 0

4:09pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

Another great UKIP policy from the past manifesto , you know the one that was destroyed lol, employees who want employment rights are to be paid less than employees who are willing to forgo rights and risk being fired at will.

That's a vote winner with the working class lol
Another great UKIP policy from the past manifesto , you know the one that was destroyed lol, employees who want employment rights are to be paid less than employees who are willing to forgo rights and risk being fired at will. That's a vote winner with the working class lol Mr Angry
  • Score: 3

4:17pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

We know a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Tories we live in wales !
We know a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Tories we live in wales ! Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Sun 2 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making parts of the country appear "unrecognisable" and like "a foreign land" at Ukip's spring conference on Friday."In scores of our cities and market towns, this country in a short space of time has frankly become unrecognisable," Farage told his audience in Torquay. "Whether it is the impact on local schools and hospitals, whether it is the fact in many parts of England you don't hear English spoken any more. This is not the kind of community we want to leave to our children and grandchildren." Now he know whats it like living in Wales, with all these retired people moving to Wales and putting a strain on the NHS.
Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making parts of the country appear "unrecognisable" and like "a foreign land" at Ukip's spring conference on Friday."In scores of our cities and market towns, this country in a short space of time has frankly become unrecognisable," Farage told his audience in Torquay. "Whether it is the impact on local schools and hospitals, whether it is the fact in many parts of England you don't hear English spoken any more. This is not the kind of community we want to leave to our children and grandchildren." Now he know whats it like living in Wales, with all these retired people moving to Wales and putting a strain on the NHS. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

6:53pm Sun 2 Mar 14

welshmen says...

pwlldu wrote:
Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making parts of the country appear "unrecognisable
" and like "a foreign land" at Ukip's spring conference on Friday."In scores of our cities and market towns, this country in a short space of time has frankly become unrecognisable," Farage told his audience in Torquay. "Whether it is the impact on local schools and hospitals, whether it is the fact in many parts of England you don't hear English spoken any more. This is not the kind of community we want to leave to our children and grandchildren." Now he know whats it like living in Wales, with all these retired people moving to Wales and putting a strain on the NHS.
Pity all those retired people didn't put your white FLAG up in the last WW2, if they had have, you wouldn't be here to disrespect them, the party for the British people, www.bnp.org.uk they love the British, all British.....
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Nigel Farage said mass immigration was making parts of the country appear "unrecognisable " and like "a foreign land" at Ukip's spring conference on Friday."In scores of our cities and market towns, this country in a short space of time has frankly become unrecognisable," Farage told his audience in Torquay. "Whether it is the impact on local schools and hospitals, whether it is the fact in many parts of England you don't hear English spoken any more. This is not the kind of community we want to leave to our children and grandchildren." Now he know whats it like living in Wales, with all these retired people moving to Wales and putting a strain on the NHS.[/p][/quote]Pity all those retired people didn't put your white FLAG up in the last WW2, if they had have, you wouldn't be here to disrespect them, the party for the British people, www.bnp.org.uk they love the British, all British..... welshmen
  • Score: -1

10:54pm Sun 2 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

Just one small point, most of the retired people today are to young to have taught in WW2. Some of the older ones may have been children, but most I would say were to young.

Just think you should check facts before ranting
Just one small point, most of the retired people today are to young to have taught in WW2. Some of the older ones may have been children, but most I would say were to young. Just think you should check facts before ranting Mr Angry
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Mervyn James wrote:
We know a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Tories we live in wales !
A vote for Labour is a vote for continued poverty in Wales
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We know a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Tories we live in wales ![/p][/quote]A vote for Labour is a vote for continued poverty in Wales Bobevans
  • Score: -4

4:00pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Mr Angry says...

In fairness Bob the Tories do a lot for poverty in Wales, they create so much of it
In fairness Bob the Tories do a lot for poverty in Wales, they create so much of it Mr Angry
  • Score: 5

8:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

blackandamber says...

Bobevans wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
We know a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Tories we live in wales !
A vote for Labour is a vote for continued poverty in Wales
Well would the people who have marked this comment down, care to enlighten us with your theories as to why you think Wales is doing so well under Labour because we haven't got anybody else to blame for Wales going down the toilet.
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: We know a vote for UKIP is a vote for the Tories we live in wales ![/p][/quote]A vote for Labour is a vote for continued poverty in Wales[/p][/quote]Well would the people who have marked this comment down, care to enlighten us with your theories as to why you think Wales is doing so well under Labour because we haven't got anybody else to blame for Wales going down the toilet. blackandamber
  • Score: 0

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