Like La La Land

First published in Letters

DID I go to bed in Newport only to wake up in La La Land?

I say this because of the following recent news bulletins in this paper, services cut (almost everywhere), job losses (almost in every industry), the most irritable bus stations in South Wales with most old folk including my dear old mother-in-law getting sent to the wrong end of town.

Then the icing on the cake, a proposed increase of over 4% for the council tax and I have no doubt more for the ghost service the police provide, I say ghost because you know they are there but you never see them.

A proposed rise for councillors in Newport (Why? What do they do for us?) And to add insult to an already battered populous the Welsh assembly want more AMs.

Ha ha, they have been sampling too much wine at their afternoon sessions.

The people of Newport and Wales will only stomach so much.

The time is getting near where they will voice their opinions in the elections and with their voices.

Ian Brown Coolgreany Close Newport

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1:46pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

I sympathise. I too feel like I arrived in a parallel universe where people just take whatever crap gets thrown at them.
I sympathise. I too feel like I arrived in a parallel universe where people just take whatever crap gets thrown at them. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 7

2:46pm Mon 3 Mar 14

siameselady says...

If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?
If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's? siameselady
  • Score: 9

3:32pm Mon 3 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

siameselady wrote:
If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?
Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.
[quote][p][bold]siameselady[/bold] wrote: If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?[/p][/quote]Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question. varteg1
  • Score: 21

5:38pm Mon 3 Mar 14

BobEvams2014 says...

I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings.

Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used. BobEvams2014
  • Score: 0

6:55pm Mon 3 Mar 14

dailoco says...

Do Councilors work on weekends? Only if expenses are paid? What has been said that if they take up a seat on the council that is their job and that job only is absolutely correct. If anyone becomes a Councilor remember that your first and only responsibility is to the people who voted you in.
The gas plant wants more AM,s is there anyone else thinks like me that there is enough clowns in the Circus now.
Do Councilors work on weekends? Only if expenses are paid? What has been said that if they take up a seat on the council that is their job and that job only is absolutely correct. If anyone becomes a Councilor remember that your first and only responsibility is to the people who voted you in. The gas plant wants more AM,s is there anyone else thinks like me that there is enough clowns in the Circus now. dailoco
  • Score: 6

6:57pm Mon 3 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

varteg1 wrote:
siameselady wrote:
If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?
Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.
it does not the whole think has been a complete failure
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siameselady[/bold] wrote: If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?[/p][/quote]Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.[/p][/quote]it does not the whole think has been a complete failure scraptheWAG
  • Score: 7

8:26pm Mon 3 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings.

Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
what they get 10k per year for a couple of hours work a week what a job must work out about 100 quid a hour
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]what they get 10k per year for a couple of hours work a week what a job must work out about 100 quid a hour scraptheWAG
  • Score: 3

8:45pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Exile Elmo says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings.

Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there. Exile Elmo
  • Score: 11

8:48pm Mon 3 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

^^ (shakes head and chuckles)
^^ (shakes head and chuckles) GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 5

9:37pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Banjalucka says...

Certainly a good letter with many salient points.In most cases, and form of office is a gravy train, prtic cllrs AND AMs. No more of any of them are needed
Certainly a good letter with many salient points.In most cases, and form of office is a gravy train, prtic cllrs AND AMs. No more of any of them are needed Banjalucka
  • Score: 4

9:33am Tue 4 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
siameselady wrote:
If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?
Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.
it does not the whole think has been a complete failure
We don't need MP's, I've always advocated we get rid. How many does it take to go there cap in hand, while claiming expenses anyway ?
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siameselady[/bold] wrote: If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?[/p][/quote]Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.[/p][/quote]it does not the whole think has been a complete failure[/p][/quote]We don't need MP's, I've always advocated we get rid. How many does it take to go there cap in hand, while claiming expenses anyway ? Mervyn James
  • Score: -10

9:54am Tue 4 Mar 14

Jimport says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings.

Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
They should also be paraded through the street on a fortnightly basis, naked and covered in goosefat, while the locals pelt them with rotten fruit and veg, and possibly rocks where deserved. And thrice annually they should be sewn together to form one 50-person long human centipede, with the mayor bringing up the rear.
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]They should also be paraded through the street on a fortnightly basis, naked and covered in goosefat, while the locals pelt them with rotten fruit and veg, and possibly rocks where deserved. And thrice annually they should be sewn together to form one 50-person long human centipede, with the mayor bringing up the rear. Jimport
  • Score: 4

10:55am Tue 4 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Exile Elmo wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings.

Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.
At one time,. before the drive to make 'councils more 'democratic' Councillors were exactly of that sort, they got elected on a expenses only basis.

It was claimed the ordinary person could not influence local decision making.and that councils were too exclusive.

Well, considering the unmitigated disasters most councils appear to have become, maybe it's time we returned to the days of exclusive councils with the potential that Councillors, with no outside interests, especially financial, to divert their attention, we may get back the levels of community service we once had when the workforce was not stripped out in order to meet the expense of overpaid management and pay for Councillors.

I would be quite happy to return to the days when Councils were run by interested people, watched over by Aldermen and women.
[quote][p][bold]Exile Elmo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.[/p][/quote]At one time,. before the drive to make 'councils more 'democratic' Councillors were exactly of that sort, they got elected on a expenses only basis. It was claimed the ordinary person could not influence local decision making.and that councils were too exclusive. Well, considering the unmitigated disasters most councils appear to have become, maybe it's time we returned to the days of exclusive councils with the potential that Councillors, with no outside interests, especially financial, to divert their attention, we may get back the levels of community service we once had when the workforce was not stripped out in order to meet the expense of overpaid management and pay for Councillors. I would be quite happy to return to the days when Councils were run by interested people, watched over by Aldermen and women. varteg1
  • Score: -4

10:58am Tue 4 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.
And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected. varteg1
  • Score: -2

12:46pm Tue 4 Mar 14

welshmen says...

varteg1 wrote:
And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.
Good idea but, La La Land....
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.[/p][/quote]Good idea but, La La Land.... welshmen
  • Score: 4

12:50pm Tue 4 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

varteg1 wrote:
Exile Elmo wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.
At one time,. before the drive to make 'councils more 'democratic' Councillors were exactly of that sort, they got elected on a expenses only basis. It was claimed the ordinary person could not influence local decision making.and that councils were too exclusive. Well, considering the unmitigated disasters most councils appear to have become, maybe it's time we returned to the days of exclusive councils with the potential that Councillors, with no outside interests, especially financial, to divert their attention, we may get back the levels of community service we once had when the workforce was not stripped out in order to meet the expense of overpaid management and pay for Councillors. I would be quite happy to return to the days when Councils were run by interested people, watched over by Aldermen and women.
what an excellent idea.

we should return to only allowing the landed gentry to vote too...
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exile Elmo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.[/p][/quote]At one time,. before the drive to make 'councils more 'democratic' Councillors were exactly of that sort, they got elected on a expenses only basis. It was claimed the ordinary person could not influence local decision making.and that councils were too exclusive. Well, considering the unmitigated disasters most councils appear to have become, maybe it's time we returned to the days of exclusive councils with the potential that Councillors, with no outside interests, especially financial, to divert their attention, we may get back the levels of community service we once had when the workforce was not stripped out in order to meet the expense of overpaid management and pay for Councillors. I would be quite happy to return to the days when Councils were run by interested people, watched over by Aldermen and women.[/p][/quote]what an excellent idea. we should return to only allowing the landed gentry to vote too... whatintheworld
  • Score: 2

1:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

throwy1 says...

So long as the returned are not Conservatives, Mr Brown
So long as the returned are not Conservatives, Mr Brown throwy1
  • Score: -3

1:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

BobEvams2014 says...

varteg1 wrote:
And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.
I hope your employers would still pay your salary when you are absent for 'Council Duties '
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.[/p][/quote]I hope your employers would still pay your salary when you are absent for 'Council Duties ' BobEvams2014
  • Score: 6

6:26pm Tue 4 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

whatintheworld wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Exile Elmo wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.
At one time,. before the drive to make 'councils more 'democratic' Councillors were exactly of that sort, they got elected on a expenses only basis. It was claimed the ordinary person could not influence local decision making.and that councils were too exclusive. Well, considering the unmitigated disasters most councils appear to have become, maybe it's time we returned to the days of exclusive councils with the potential that Councillors, with no outside interests, especially financial, to divert their attention, we may get back the levels of community service we once had when the workforce was not stripped out in order to meet the expense of overpaid management and pay for Councillors. I would be quite happy to return to the days when Councils were run by interested people, watched over by Aldermen and women.
what an excellent idea.

we should return to only allowing the landed gentry to vote too...
As I recall, it was open to PROPERTY owners, not just 'landed gentry', i fact my grandfather was suggested for council service, but he decline even though he owned his premises.
So as most people today ARE property owners, with a vested interest in how their community services are operated, I suggests your critique is somewhat off centre
Or is that not quite how you see it?
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Exile Elmo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]No salary or expenses.... Not allowed outside employment... errm.. Does this only allow the rich & retired... narrowing down the demographic there.[/p][/quote]At one time,. before the drive to make 'councils more 'democratic' Councillors were exactly of that sort, they got elected on a expenses only basis. It was claimed the ordinary person could not influence local decision making.and that councils were too exclusive. Well, considering the unmitigated disasters most councils appear to have become, maybe it's time we returned to the days of exclusive councils with the potential that Councillors, with no outside interests, especially financial, to divert their attention, we may get back the levels of community service we once had when the workforce was not stripped out in order to meet the expense of overpaid management and pay for Councillors. I would be quite happy to return to the days when Councils were run by interested people, watched over by Aldermen and women.[/p][/quote]what an excellent idea. we should return to only allowing the landed gentry to vote too...[/p][/quote]As I recall, it was open to PROPERTY owners, not just 'landed gentry', i fact my grandfather was suggested for council service, but he decline even though he owned his premises. So as most people today ARE property owners, with a vested interest in how their community services are operated, I suggests your critique is somewhat off centre Or is that not quite how you see it? varteg1
  • Score: -1

6:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Keep in mind also the fact that in our property owning communities, many live side by side with renters, even on ex council estates such as Ty Pwca and Trevethin, and much of Cwmbran, what a property owner and a Councillor could do for himself would also be to the benefit of his next door neighbour who does not own the place he lives in.
Keep in mind also the fact that in our property owning communities, many live side by side with renters, even on ex council estates such as Ty Pwca and Trevethin, and much of Cwmbran, what a property owner and a Councillor could do for himself would also be to the benefit of his next door neighbour who does not own the place he lives in. varteg1
  • Score: 1

8:40am Wed 5 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Home ownership is diminishing, more and more rent, in the USA this is a norm already. A mobile workforce tends not to set down roots.
Home ownership is diminishing, more and more rent, in the USA this is a norm already. A mobile workforce tends not to set down roots. Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

1:47pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Captain Tripps says...

Jimport wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings.

Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.
They should also be paraded through the street on a fortnightly basis, naked and covered in goosefat, while the locals pelt them with rotten fruit and veg, and possibly rocks where deserved. And thrice annually they should be sewn together to form one 50-person long human centipede, with the mayor bringing up the rear.
Classic ! Ha ha .
[quote][p][bold]Jimport[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: I think its time that Councillors started to put their constituants first. Councillors should receive no salary or expenses, and should pay for phone calls travel etc out of their own money to increase savings. Furthermore all Councillors should not be allowed outside employment of any sort, this ensures that they are available for constituanrnts at all times and can attend meetings, the feeble excuse 'work commitments' can no longer be used.[/p][/quote]They should also be paraded through the street on a fortnightly basis, naked and covered in goosefat, while the locals pelt them with rotten fruit and veg, and possibly rocks where deserved. And thrice annually they should be sewn together to form one 50-person long human centipede, with the mayor bringing up the rear.[/p][/quote]Classic ! Ha ha . Captain Tripps
  • Score: 0

10:52pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Newport Council is a total disaster. THey have been wrecking Newport for decades and it is going to get worse
Newport Council is a total disaster. THey have been wrecking Newport for decades and it is going to get worse Bobevans
  • Score: 5

12:13am Sat 8 Mar 14

Howie' says...

scraptheWAG wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
siameselady wrote:
If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?
Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.
it does not the whole think has been a complete failure
Varteg poses his/her 'intelligent question' and WAG gives his intelligent reply, lol, 'it does not the whole think has been a complete failure' ..............and he received seven thumbs up for that masterpiece!
[quote][p][bold]scraptheWAG[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]siameselady[/bold] wrote: If they want more AM's then the number of MP's in Wales should be reduced considerably. Why does Newport need two MP's?[/p][/quote]Why does Wales need the Assembly?,,, would be a more intelligent question.[/p][/quote]it does not the whole think has been a complete failure[/p][/quote]Varteg poses his/her 'intelligent question' and WAG gives his intelligent reply, lol, 'it does not the whole think has been a complete failure' ..............and he received seven thumbs up for that masterpiece! Howie'
  • Score: 1

12:18am Sat 8 Mar 14

Howie' says...

GardenVarietyMushroo
m
wrote:
^^ (shakes head and chuckles)
Shakes head, chuckles and has a familiar feeling of exasperation.
[quote][p][bold]GardenVarietyMushroo m[/bold] wrote: ^^ (shakes head and chuckles)[/p][/quote]Shakes head, chuckles and has a familiar feeling of exasperation. Howie'
  • Score: 2

12:34am Sat 8 Mar 14

Howie' says...

BobEvams2014 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.
I hope your employers would still pay your salary when you are absent for 'Council Duties '
Unbelievable how people are prepared to give up democracy and hand power to those that are able to attend council meetings unpaid. I thought that argument had been won last century. With that sort of mentality it wont be long before the working class are voting in the Bullingdon club/ Eton boys into power...............
....oops!
[quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.[/p][/quote]I hope your employers would still pay your salary when you are absent for 'Council Duties '[/p][/quote]Unbelievable how people are prepared to give up democracy and hand power to those that are able to attend council meetings unpaid. I thought that argument had been won last century. With that sort of mentality it wont be long before the working class are voting in the Bullingdon club/ Eton boys into power............... ....oops! Howie'
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Sat 8 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Not going to happen in Wales....
Not going to happen in Wales.... Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

8:48pm Sun 9 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

Howie' wrote:
BobEvams2014 wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.
I hope your employers would still pay your salary when you are absent for 'Council Duties '
Unbelievable how people are prepared to give up democracy and hand power to those that are able to attend council meetings unpaid. I thought that argument had been won last century. With that sort of mentality it wont be long before the working class are voting in the Bullingdon club/ Eton boys into power...............

....oops!
payinjg someone 10k a year to do one evenings work is ridiculous.
[quote][p][bold]Howie'[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BobEvams2014[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: And for true expenses only, I'd be more than happy to put my candidature forward for such a council, and serve if elected.[/p][/quote]I hope your employers would still pay your salary when you are absent for 'Council Duties '[/p][/quote]Unbelievable how people are prepared to give up democracy and hand power to those that are able to attend council meetings unpaid. I thought that argument had been won last century. With that sort of mentality it wont be long before the working class are voting in the Bullingdon club/ Eton boys into power............... ....oops![/p][/quote]payinjg someone 10k a year to do one evenings work is ridiculous. scraptheWAG
  • Score: 0

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