Landlord truths

First published in Letters

HOW nice to see one of the national newspapers finally telling the truth about one of the main reasons for high benefit claims.

It’s just another way for the rich to make even more money.

What’s so awful about this that even Prince Charles and the Queen benefit from this.

It’s not housing benefit its landlords’ benefit according to Tessa Pearce Labour MP.

Also I’m absolutely disgusted to hear that the nasty party MEPs intend to vote against the European aid to the most deprived, with the potential benefits to this country of £3 million to support food banks.

It really tells you all you need to know about call me Dave’s selfish cohorts doesn’t it?

Roll on the next election. Let’s get rid of them all.

Ann Poyser Stockton Road Newport

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2:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Realist UK says...

Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?
Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony? Realist UK
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2:50pm Tue 4 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Realist UK wrote:
Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?
this is going to be a strange concept for you to try and grasp mate, but some people have different opinions to those you hold.
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?[/p][/quote]this is going to be a strange concept for you to try and grasp mate, but some people have different opinions to those you hold. whatintheworld
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3:30pm Tue 4 Mar 14

welshannie says...

Realist UK wrote:
Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?
i didnt say vote labour or anyone else.youve got a choice.plaid cymru ,nigels nutters in ukip.tory labour or independant.at least if you vote labour youve got a chance to save the NHS.Ijust meant lets get rid of call me dave and his lapdog glegg .
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?[/p][/quote]i didnt say vote labour or anyone else.youve got a choice.plaid cymru ,nigels nutters in ukip.tory labour or independant.at least if you vote labour youve got a chance to save the NHS.Ijust meant lets get rid of call me dave and his lapdog glegg . welshannie
  • Score: -10

3:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%
Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50% Bobevans
  • Score: 7

4:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

welshannie wrote:
Realist UK wrote:
Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?
i didnt say vote labour or anyone else.youve got a choice.plaid cymru ,nigels nutters in ukip.tory labour or independant.at least if you vote labour youve got a chance to save the NHS.Ijust meant lets get rid of call me dave and his lapdog glegg .
Crikey. You really should get out more. Or read stuff. 'Vote labour to save the NHS' ??? Are you unhinged? In case you've been living under a manhole cover, the Tories have had nothing to do with the NHS in Wales for fourteen flicking years. Yet even one of their own councillors died on a cardiac waiting list (along with nearly 100 others). I live next door to someone unable to walk having waited 12 months for a hip. Remind of the story about people waiting 8 hours in ambulances in Cardiff again? Bonkers
[quote][p][bold]welshannie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?[/p][/quote]i didnt say vote labour or anyone else.youve got a choice.plaid cymru ,nigels nutters in ukip.tory labour or independant.at least if you vote labour youve got a chance to save the NHS.Ijust meant lets get rid of call me dave and his lapdog glegg .[/p][/quote]Crikey. You really should get out more. Or read stuff. 'Vote labour to save the NHS' ??? Are you unhinged? In case you've been living under a manhole cover, the Tories have had nothing to do with the NHS in Wales for fourteen flicking years. Yet even one of their own councillors died on a cardiac waiting list (along with nearly 100 others). I live next door to someone unable to walk having waited 12 months for a hip. Remind of the story about people waiting 8 hours in ambulances in Cardiff again? Bonkers Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

4:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

Would Ms Poysner care to tell us if, the last time she sold a car she sold it for half what it was worth? I have around 40 rental properties in the UK and, if I try and charge more than someone will pay, they remain empty. It's called supply and demand.
Would Ms Poysner care to tell us if, the last time she sold a car she sold it for half what it was worth? I have around 40 rental properties in the UK and, if I try and charge more than someone will pay, they remain empty. It's called supply and demand. Stevenboy
  • Score: 7

4:54pm Tue 4 Mar 14

grumpyandopinionated says...

Well what on earth do we expect, years ago if you were on housing benefit there would be a good chance that you would be in a council owned property. But now a vast majority of these have been sold off and the council housing stocks dwindled the only option is to rent from private landlords. Selling the council houses is not a bad thing if you build more cheap homes for those that are on benefits for the long term eg, the elderly and disabled. Also to make sure that working people either buy thier own home or rent privatly. So it's not rocket science that those that can afford to buy properties as a better investment than leaving it in the bank are going to benefit, the gov and local athorites are to blame for this situation not the landlords that own the houses, most would preffer to rent to those that pay thier own rent as they are more likely to look after the property. Although I'm sure that there are those that do take advantage of the situation and provide sub standard accomodation to those on benefits to make the most money, but even so we can't blame those that take advantage of the system when the system can be abused.

On the whole like the above poster said it is supply and demand and we need rental properties as not everyone can afford to buy.
Well what on earth do we expect, years ago if you were on housing benefit there would be a good chance that you would be in a council owned property. But now a vast majority of these have been sold off and the council housing stocks dwindled the only option is to rent from private landlords. Selling the council houses is not a bad thing if you build more cheap homes for those that are on benefits for the long term eg, the elderly and disabled. Also to make sure that working people either buy thier own home or rent privatly. So it's not rocket science that those that can afford to buy properties as a better investment than leaving it in the bank are going to benefit, the gov and local athorites are to blame for this situation not the landlords that own the houses, most would preffer to rent to those that pay thier own rent as they are more likely to look after the property. Although I'm sure that there are those that do take advantage of the situation and provide sub standard accomodation to those on benefits to make the most money, but even so we can't blame those that take advantage of the system when the system can be abused. On the whole like the above poster said it is supply and demand and we need rental properties as not everyone can afford to buy. grumpyandopinionated
  • Score: 9

6:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

welshannie wrote:
Realist UK wrote:
Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?
i didnt say vote labour or anyone else.youve got a choice.plaid cymru ,nigels nutters in ukip.tory labour or independant.at least if you vote labour youve got a chance to save the NHS.Ijust meant lets get rid of call me dave and his lapdog glegg .
Who the hell knows what's going on in modern politics these days? New labour turned out to be more Tory than the Tories - and Cameron's Coalition has borrowed more money in four years than Labour did in thirteen. I'm sure that Clegg was a synonym for piles when I was younger - quite appropriate for a painfull little hanger on like him and UKIP - and every time I see Farage I hear the looney toons theme song in my head.

It's all gone mad. Black is white, up is down, war is peace and freedom is slavery.

Enjoy your circus next year.
[quote][p][bold]welshannie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: Roll on the next election and vote in Labour? How on earth can you say that without a hint of irony?[/p][/quote]i didnt say vote labour or anyone else.youve got a choice.plaid cymru ,nigels nutters in ukip.tory labour or independant.at least if you vote labour youve got a chance to save the NHS.Ijust meant lets get rid of call me dave and his lapdog glegg .[/p][/quote]Who the hell knows what's going on in modern politics these days? New labour turned out to be more Tory than the Tories - and Cameron's Coalition has borrowed more money in four years than Labour did in thirteen. I'm sure that Clegg was a synonym for piles when I was younger - quite appropriate for a painfull little hanger on like him and UKIP - and every time I see Farage I hear the looney toons theme song in my head. It's all gone mad. Black is white, up is down, war is peace and freedom is slavery. Enjoy your circus next year. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

6:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Would Ms Poysner care to tell us if, the last time she sold a car she sold it for half what it was worth? I have around 40 rental properties in the UK and, if I try and charge more than someone will pay, they remain empty. It's called supply and demand.
Hmm... course you do.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: Would Ms Poysner care to tell us if, the last time she sold a car she sold it for half what it was worth? I have around 40 rental properties in the UK and, if I try and charge more than someone will pay, they remain empty. It's called supply and demand.[/p][/quote]Hmm... course you do. GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: -2

8:05pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Bobevans wrote:
Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%
Landlords all vote tory too, they have made a real killing via extortionate rents, that don't reflect true value of properties, no wonder many welcome benefit claimants, these landlords are coining it. In London Cameron's cronies are making millions a week from the claimants. If they have empty properties why don't they house all those families barred from social housing and then the bedroom tax would be pointless (It is anyway its a scam). So some landlords keep the price high and the accommodation empty rather than lower rents and fill them, great business-people..... NOT !
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%[/p][/quote]Landlords all vote tory too, they have made a real killing via extortionate rents, that don't reflect true value of properties, no wonder many welcome benefit claimants, these landlords are coining it. In London Cameron's cronies are making millions a week from the claimants. If they have empty properties why don't they house all those families barred from social housing and then the bedroom tax would be pointless (It is anyway its a scam). So some landlords keep the price high and the accommodation empty rather than lower rents and fill them, great business-people..... NOT ! Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

11:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

welshmen says...

Rents in Gwent are a different kettle of fish, if you look on Zoopla or Rightmove check out the rents, Newport city councils housing benefit is: 1 bed house = £339.64 per four weeks, 2 Bed house = £415.40 per four weeks, 3 bed house = £470.76 per four weeks, 4 bed house £623.08 per four weeks, have a look and see what you can rent for the above, 1/2/3/and 4 bedroom housing, this is not London....
Rents in Gwent are a different kettle of fish, if you look on Zoopla or Rightmove check out the rents, Newport city councils housing benefit is: 1 bed house = £339.64 per four weeks, 2 Bed house = £415.40 per four weeks, 3 bed house = £470.76 per four weeks, 4 bed house £623.08 per four weeks, have a look and see what you can rent for the above, 1/2/3/and 4 bedroom housing, this is not London.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

11:23pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%
Landlords all vote tory too, they have made a real killing via extortionate rents, that don't reflect true value of properties, no wonder many welcome benefit claimants, these landlords are coining it. In London Cameron's cronies are making millions a week from the claimants. If they have empty properties why don't they house all those families barred from social housing and then the bedroom tax would be pointless (It is anyway its a scam). So some landlords keep the price high and the accommodation empty rather than lower rents and fill them, great business-people..... NOT !
What happened to these 'Tory landlords ' from the benefit cap?
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%[/p][/quote]Landlords all vote tory too, they have made a real killing via extortionate rents, that don't reflect true value of properties, no wonder many welcome benefit claimants, these landlords are coining it. In London Cameron's cronies are making millions a week from the claimants. If they have empty properties why don't they house all those families barred from social housing and then the bedroom tax would be pointless (It is anyway its a scam). So some landlords keep the price high and the accommodation empty rather than lower rents and fill them, great business-people..... NOT ![/p][/quote]What happened to these 'Tory landlords ' from the benefit cap? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

8:22am Wed 5 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%
Landlords all vote tory too, they have made a real killing via extortionate rents, that don't reflect true value of properties, no wonder many welcome benefit claimants, these landlords are coining it. In London Cameron's cronies are making millions a week from the claimants. If they have empty properties why don't they house all those families barred from social housing and then the bedroom tax would be pointless (It is anyway its a scam). So some landlords keep the price high and the accommodation empty rather than lower rents and fill them, great business-people..... NOT !
Another rant from you. If you think renting out homes is so highly profitable why do you not buy some homes and rent them out at 50% of current rents as you say that can be done. You will not do that though as you know you are talking total fiction

How many big companies such as builder have moved into this so called highly profitable rental market? None. Not that profitable then
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: Are you expecting Landlords to provide a Free home for you. Look at the private rents in Wales. They are in line with the costs. You cannot compare them with social homes as the rents of those are subsidised by about 50%[/p][/quote]Landlords all vote tory too, they have made a real killing via extortionate rents, that don't reflect true value of properties, no wonder many welcome benefit claimants, these landlords are coining it. In London Cameron's cronies are making millions a week from the claimants. If they have empty properties why don't they house all those families barred from social housing and then the bedroom tax would be pointless (It is anyway its a scam). So some landlords keep the price high and the accommodation empty rather than lower rents and fill them, great business-people..... NOT ![/p][/quote]Another rant from you. If you think renting out homes is so highly profitable why do you not buy some homes and rent them out at 50% of current rents as you say that can be done. You will not do that though as you know you are talking total fiction How many big companies such as builder have moved into this so called highly profitable rental market? None. Not that profitable then Bobevans
  • Score: 0

8:33am Wed 5 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

So get your rents to suit your clients, simples... if you cannot make money get out of the business, what are you a masochist or something ? or just like losing money ? Making some money, is surely better than making none, and an empty house or flat is bloody pointless. It's highly profitable in ENGLAND/LONDON nowhere else, you were sold a pup basically, greed. There are 1,000s of empty buildings, 100s in Newport despite claims people cannot get a roof over their head, and you are not going to fill any of them by charging what people cannot afford, basic economics.
So get your rents to suit your clients, simples... if you cannot make money get out of the business, what are you a masochist or something ? or just like losing money ? Making some money, is surely better than making none, and an empty house or flat is bloody pointless. It's highly profitable in ENGLAND/LONDON nowhere else, you were sold a pup basically, greed. There are 1,000s of empty buildings, 100s in Newport despite claims people cannot get a roof over their head, and you are not going to fill any of them by charging what people cannot afford, basic economics. Mervyn James
  • Score: -5

9:29am Wed 5 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
So get your rents to suit your clients, simples... if you cannot make money get out of the business, what are you a masochist or something ? or just like losing money ? Making some money, is surely better than making none, and an empty house or flat is bloody pointless. It's highly profitable in ENGLAND/LONDON nowhere else, you were sold a pup basically, greed. There are 1,000s of empty buildings, 100s in Newport despite claims people cannot get a roof over their head, and you are not going to fill any of them by charging what people cannot afford, basic economics.
Can you say anything without contradicting yourself? No landlord has an interest in empty property. The risks are high in property renting. Houses get wrecked, tenants run off without paying, stuff gets stolen. Generally those losses are borne by the landlord or expensive insurance may cover some. But make a profit and Mr Taxman will have some of that thank you. For governments it's a one-way bet.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: So get your rents to suit your clients, simples... if you cannot make money get out of the business, what are you a masochist or something ? or just like losing money ? Making some money, is surely better than making none, and an empty house or flat is bloody pointless. It's highly profitable in ENGLAND/LONDON nowhere else, you were sold a pup basically, greed. There are 1,000s of empty buildings, 100s in Newport despite claims people cannot get a roof over their head, and you are not going to fill any of them by charging what people cannot afford, basic economics.[/p][/quote]Can you say anything without contradicting yourself? No landlord has an interest in empty property. The risks are high in property renting. Houses get wrecked, tenants run off without paying, stuff gets stolen. Generally those losses are borne by the landlord or expensive insurance may cover some. But make a profit and Mr Taxman will have some of that thank you. For governments it's a one-way bet. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

11:14am Wed 5 Mar 14

welshmen says...

Spot on LMA, it's happened to me several times, I see charity housing Associations make the Money, DHS payments are changing, housing benefit for rent is being paid directly to the tenant, the Landlord has to then get that of the tenant, more tenants i believe will be evicted with this payment change, any one who thinks you can rent a property out that's not fit for living is dreaming, it's impossible and unlawful, a tenant just has to inform the local Council's Environmental Health, they have the power to make you put right what is wrong, if you don't fix it they will and charge you for it, if you still don't pay they will put a Court Order through the Land Registry on your property so when you sell your property that money will be deducted from the sale plus interest, renting is NOT all gold plated....
Spot on LMA, it's happened to me several times, I see charity housing Associations make the Money, DHS payments are changing, housing benefit for rent is being paid directly to the tenant, the Landlord has to then get that of the tenant, more tenants i believe will be evicted with this payment change, any one who thinks you can rent a property out that's not fit for living is dreaming, it's impossible and unlawful, a tenant just has to inform the local Council's Environmental Health, they have the power to make you put right what is wrong, if you don't fix it they will and charge you for it, if you still don't pay they will put a Court Order through the Land Registry on your property so when you sell your property that money will be deducted from the sale plus interest, renting is NOT all gold plated.... welshmen
  • Score: 3

7:32pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
So get your rents to suit your clients, simples... if you cannot make money get out of the business, what are you a masochist or something ? or just like losing money ? Making some money, is surely better than making none, and an empty house or flat is bloody pointless. It's highly profitable in ENGLAND/LONDON nowhere else, you were sold a pup basically, greed. There are 1,000s of empty buildings, 100s in Newport despite claims people cannot get a roof over their head, and you are not going to fill any of them by charging what people cannot afford, basic economics.
Can you say anything without contradicting yourself? No landlord has an interest in empty property. The risks are high in property renting. Houses get wrecked, tenants run off without paying, stuff gets stolen. Generally those losses are borne by the landlord or expensive insurance may cover some. But make a profit and Mr Taxman will have some of that thank you. For governments it's a one-way bet.
The taxman takes from everyone its nothing new, even the much criticized benefit claimants have to pay it, from their benefits, they buy food that is taxed, they buy clothes that is taxed the same as everyone else,what makes you think they pay nothing. tenants who have allowances for rent and council taxes do NOT get it handed to them, it goes straight to the landlord, i.e. YOU. It is the safest bet you can get as a landlord.

I would, suggest the risks are only high when the landlord puts such high rent increases the tenants end up having to choose to eat or leave. It is not helped by a government determined to raise the stakes even more, at some point no-one will be able to pay rents, there is only so much blood in a stone.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: So get your rents to suit your clients, simples... if you cannot make money get out of the business, what are you a masochist or something ? or just like losing money ? Making some money, is surely better than making none, and an empty house or flat is bloody pointless. It's highly profitable in ENGLAND/LONDON nowhere else, you were sold a pup basically, greed. There are 1,000s of empty buildings, 100s in Newport despite claims people cannot get a roof over their head, and you are not going to fill any of them by charging what people cannot afford, basic economics.[/p][/quote]Can you say anything without contradicting yourself? No landlord has an interest in empty property. The risks are high in property renting. Houses get wrecked, tenants run off without paying, stuff gets stolen. Generally those losses are borne by the landlord or expensive insurance may cover some. But make a profit and Mr Taxman will have some of that thank you. For governments it's a one-way bet.[/p][/quote]The taxman takes from everyone its nothing new, even the much criticized benefit claimants have to pay it, from their benefits, they buy food that is taxed, they buy clothes that is taxed the same as everyone else,what makes you think they pay nothing. tenants who have allowances for rent and council taxes do NOT get it handed to them, it goes straight to the landlord, i.e. YOU. It is the safest bet you can get as a landlord. I would, suggest the risks are only high when the landlord puts such high rent increases the tenants end up having to choose to eat or leave. It is not helped by a government determined to raise the stakes even more, at some point no-one will be able to pay rents, there is only so much blood in a stone. Mervyn James
  • Score: -3

10:15pm Wed 5 Mar 14

GardenVarietyMushroom says...

Housing benefit doesn't go straight to landlords
Housing benefit doesn't go straight to landlords GardenVarietyMushroom
  • Score: 0

6:54pm Fri 7 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

(Sorry, you are right), but the high rents do. It is why in London they wanted to export the social tenants out of London so only working people could live there to cover the rents, but there it is silly money in rents, and you don't see landlords complaining.. Their error is in assuming Welsh tenants can afford such inflated and extortionate rents. Either landlords will have to 'sit' on empty properties hoping someone will eventually afford them, or reduce rents to viable levels. Wales hasn't the employment to cover high rentals, and, readers here are against them being paid enough to cover it via the living wage. Landlords can charge what rent they like, whether they will get people who can afford to pay them...
(Sorry, you are right), but the high rents do. It is why in London they wanted to export the social tenants out of London so only working people could live there to cover the rents, but there it is silly money in rents, and you don't see landlords complaining.. Their error is in assuming Welsh tenants can afford such inflated and extortionate rents. Either landlords will have to 'sit' on empty properties hoping someone will eventually afford them, or reduce rents to viable levels. Wales hasn't the employment to cover high rentals, and, readers here are against them being paid enough to cover it via the living wage. Landlords can charge what rent they like, whether they will get people who can afford to pay them... Mervyn James
  • Score: 0

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