Independence

With the phoney war now over the real issues that will determine the outcome of the Scottish referendum on independence are at long last being debated.

The SNP has claimed that an independent Scotland can keep the pound, join the European Union and keep the BBC, all of these claims have now been exposed as fantasy. Business is now speaking out in favour of the Union, making their intentions clear that they will leave an independent Scotland. It must be tough being a Welsh Nationalist, as they see the case for breaking up the Union being systematically demolished, with common sense and reason Nigel Dix Montclaire Ave Blackwood

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1:36pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Walter Devereux says...

Well said, sir.
Well said, sir. Walter Devereux
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

There are two guaranteed inbuilt majority blocks against independence in Wales. Those who pay tax and those who would see their benefits cease in an instant if Wales ever did break away. Wales runs at a permanent defecit of around £10b between what it earns and what it costs to run. No-one has ever said how that shortfall could be made up.
There are two guaranteed inbuilt majority blocks against independence in Wales. Those who pay tax and those who would see their benefits cease in an instant if Wales ever did break away. Wales runs at a permanent defecit of around £10b between what it earns and what it costs to run. No-one has ever said how that shortfall could be made up. Stevenboy
  • Score: 6

7:04pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Looks more like blackmail to me but... Stay and be ruled by London or we pull the plug. Wales has to go way down the devolvement route before independence is in any referendum, I am a realist, having said that I do believe independence should be the ultimate aim. Wales has always come off worse in any 'UK' venture, there is no love of Wales in London, we should know when we aren't wanted or supported and make plans to look after our own.

On a personal note I think Scots will NOT vote for independence, they need to master all the devolved powers first, then the referendum would be academic anyway, as it would be in Wales, but we are 15 years behind the Scots, and, we don't have a bargaining chip like oil either. Whatever happens we simply cannot just sit here waiting for more money from London, the die is cast.
Looks more like blackmail to me but... Stay and be ruled by London or we pull the plug. Wales has to go way down the devolvement route before independence is in any referendum, I am a realist, having said that I do believe independence should be the ultimate aim. Wales has always come off worse in any 'UK' venture, there is no love of Wales in London, we should know when we aren't wanted or supported and make plans to look after our own. On a personal note I think Scots will NOT vote for independence, they need to master all the devolved powers first, then the referendum would be academic anyway, as it would be in Wales, but we are 15 years behind the Scots, and, we don't have a bargaining chip like oil either. Whatever happens we simply cannot just sit here waiting for more money from London, the die is cast. Mervyn James
  • Score: -7

10:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Dix the people of Ukraine think the same thing. Move to the west or stay with Russia.
Dix the people of Ukraine think the same thing. Move to the west or stay with Russia. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

11:21pm Tue 11 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

It came as it emerged Wales Office Minister Stephen Crabb wrote to Energy Minister Michael Fallon in December to warn Wales was the “most exposed” region in the UK to high energy prices and that he was “extremely concerned about the medium to long-term outlook for a number of large industrial employers in Wales”.

Mr Crabb chaired a round-table meeting with Mr Fallon in May last year, attended by several high-energy use companies including Tata Steel, Valero, Toyota and Celsa, in which the main focus was the impact of energy costs on business operations and compliance with climate change obligations.
It came as it emerged Wales Office Minister Stephen Crabb wrote to Energy Minister Michael Fallon in December to warn Wales was the “most exposed” region in the UK to high energy prices and that he was “extremely concerned about the medium to long-term outlook for a number of large industrial employers in Wales”. Mr Crabb chaired a round-table meeting with Mr Fallon in May last year, attended by several high-energy use companies including Tata Steel, Valero, Toyota and Celsa, in which the main focus was the impact of energy costs on business operations and compliance with climate change obligations. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

1:34pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

pwlldu wrote:
Dix the people of Ukraine think the same thing. Move to the west or stay with Russia.
I don't give a fig for the Ukraine basically, not our business. More than enough to do here.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Dix the people of Ukraine think the same thing. Move to the west or stay with Russia.[/p][/quote]I don't give a fig for the Ukraine basically, not our business. More than enough to do here. Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

1:59pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Mervyn James wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
Dix the people of Ukraine think the same thing. Move to the west or stay with Russia.
I don't give a fig for the Ukraine basically, not our business. More than enough to do here.
I think you missed the nationalist's point Mervyn. He's trying to draw some absurd parallel between an ex-Soviet satellite and the down-trodden Welsh suffering under an illegal occupation by the evil capitalist running dogs in London. I know, I know, the perils of care in the community eh.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Dix the people of Ukraine think the same thing. Move to the west or stay with Russia.[/p][/quote]I don't give a fig for the Ukraine basically, not our business. More than enough to do here.[/p][/quote]I think you missed the nationalist's point Mervyn. He's trying to draw some absurd parallel between an ex-Soviet satellite and the down-trodden Welsh suffering under an illegal occupation by the evil capitalist running dogs in London. I know, I know, the perils of care in the community eh. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

8:32am Thu 13 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Let me know when Cameron sends in his troops...... what would he do via seizing our airport ? At least he could make a use of it via landing his tanks....
Let me know when Cameron sends in his troops...... what would he do via seizing our airport ? At least he could make a use of it via landing his tanks.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

11:29am Fri 14 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Whatever the Scottish result they will be much better off than Wales. As the SNP will thrash out a better deal for the Scottish people. Wales will fall further behind the Scots and NI who have already got more members and powers.
Whatever the Scottish result they will be much better off than Wales. As the SNP will thrash out a better deal for the Scottish people. Wales will fall further behind the Scots and NI who have already got more members and powers. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

6:26pm Sat 15 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Stevenboy wrote:
There are two guaranteed inbuilt majority blocks against independence in Wales. Those who pay tax and those who would see their benefits cease in an instant if Wales ever did break away. Wales runs at a permanent defecit of around £10b between what it earns and what it costs to run. No-one has ever said how that shortfall could be made up.
Ah! but think of all the flag waving we could do, a real smack in the eye for Werstminster having to put up with Draig Goch being flapped in it's face whenever the team of boyos wap the crap out of the Twickers brigade.


That's just gotta be worth losing 10 billion quid.....as though!
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: There are two guaranteed inbuilt majority blocks against independence in Wales. Those who pay tax and those who would see their benefits cease in an instant if Wales ever did break away. Wales runs at a permanent defecit of around £10b between what it earns and what it costs to run. No-one has ever said how that shortfall could be made up.[/p][/quote]Ah! but think of all the flag waving we could do, a real smack in the eye for Werstminster having to put up with Draig Goch being flapped in it's face whenever the team of boyos wap the crap out of the Twickers brigade. That's just gotta be worth losing 10 billion quid.....as though! varteg1
  • Score: 0

10:04pm Sat 15 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Blackwood by-election has been called for Thursday, 24 April
Blackwood by-election has been called for Thursday, 24 April pwlldu
  • Score: -1

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