Silk purse?

THE RECENT Silk Report into the Welsh Assembly and its finding, i.e. that it needed to be expanded, more AMs recruited and more powers given to them, came as a shock. How could anyone describe the Assembly as nothing more than a very, very expensive failure?

It came as no surprise to me when I began to browse the Silk Commission’s website and found out the members that made up the board, with a few exceptions, were mostly career politicians and the usual public sector junta, and that Paul Silk himself was a former clerk and presiding officer for the Assembly.

My second surprise was the cost — one million pounds of taxpayers’ money constructing the thing. All this to tell us that the turkeys won’t be voting for Christmas.

Chris Bradley Caerleon Road Newport

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1:05pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

Good letter and absolutely spot on.
Good letter and absolutely spot on. Stevenboy
  • Score: 8

1:35pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

You have to smile at the brass neck of our public 'servants' eh. Unable to articulate a single success for this hideously expensive black comedy in fourteen years and their great idea is to increase its costs some more so their cronies can feed at the taxpayer' cost as well. The terrifying thing is that some chumps will fall for it.
You have to smile at the brass neck of our public 'servants' eh. Unable to articulate a single success for this hideously expensive black comedy in fourteen years and their great idea is to increase its costs some more so their cronies can feed at the taxpayer' cost as well. The terrifying thing is that some chumps will fall for it. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 6

2:40pm Wed 12 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.
£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money. pwlldu
  • Score: -6

3:38pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.
Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists, etc., the cost of the assembly so far is around £7 Billion. Can you not understand the basic tenet that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? You seem perfectly happy to commit that £7B to the bonfire in blissful acceptance that no-one can articulate a single achievement from it. But then I'm guessing that Plaid, even more than Socialists, are perfectly happy to torch someone else's tax dollars for anything that carries the "Welsh' label on it, even if it has proven time and again to be completely useless.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: £8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.[/p][/quote]Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists, etc., the cost of the assembly so far is around £7 Billion. Can you not understand the basic tenet that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? You seem perfectly happy to commit that £7B to the bonfire in blissful acceptance that no-one can articulate a single achievement from it. But then I'm guessing that Plaid, even more than Socialists, are perfectly happy to torch someone else's tax dollars for anything that carries the "Welsh' label on it, even if it has proven time and again to be completely useless. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

7:13pm Wed 12 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
pwlldu wrote:
£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.
Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists, etc., the cost of the assembly so far is around £7 Billion. Can you not understand the basic tenet that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? You seem perfectly happy to commit that £7B to the bonfire in blissful acceptance that no-one can articulate a single achievement from it. But then I'm guessing that Plaid, even more than Socialists, are perfectly happy to torch someone else's tax dollars for anything that carries the "Welsh' label on it, even if it has proven time and again to be completely useless.
the 'run-down' area was in London, so no surprise there, they were simply lining own pockets. A survey undertaken a year after the Olympics didn't show a single plus for Wales. Venues in North of England were not accepted and they shipped entire competitions to London instead, they dismantled venues and shipped them to London, determined NOT to share any plus anywhere else in the UK.

We could point out that London landlords also kicked out 2,600 paying tenants for the Olympics, so they could charge visitors 3-5 times as much. It was known as the 'Greed' Olympics. A can of coke at £5:50p was just one gripe we read about, £11:00 for a basic burger etc..... What we didn't read in UK media but DID read via European medias were the British police forcing disabled away from the Olympics who wanted to protest at ATOS funding and discriminations, and, harassment of disabled competitors.

What sporting support came to Wales came from the Lottery, NOT from the Olympics.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: £8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.[/p][/quote]Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists, etc., the cost of the assembly so far is around £7 Billion. Can you not understand the basic tenet that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result? You seem perfectly happy to commit that £7B to the bonfire in blissful acceptance that no-one can articulate a single achievement from it. But then I'm guessing that Plaid, even more than Socialists, are perfectly happy to torch someone else's tax dollars for anything that carries the "Welsh' label on it, even if it has proven time and again to be completely useless.[/p][/quote]the 'run-down' area was in London, so no surprise there, they were simply lining own pockets. A survey undertaken a year after the Olympics didn't show a single plus for Wales. Venues in North of England were not accepted and they shipped entire competitions to London instead, they dismantled venues and shipped them to London, determined NOT to share any plus anywhere else in the UK. We could point out that London landlords also kicked out 2,600 paying tenants for the Olympics, so they could charge visitors 3-5 times as much. It was known as the 'Greed' Olympics. A can of coke at £5:50p was just one gripe we read about, £11:00 for a basic burger etc..... What we didn't read in UK media but DID read via European medias were the British police forcing disabled away from the Olympics who wanted to protest at ATOS funding and discriminations, and, harassment of disabled competitors. What sporting support came to Wales came from the Lottery, NOT from the Olympics. Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

10:12am Thu 13 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.
Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists,
YES FOR THE LONDON AND SOUTH EAST OF ENGLAND.
Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: £8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money. Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists, YES FOR THE LONDON AND SOUTH EAST OF ENGLAND. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

10:18am Thu 13 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak.
There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

10:43am Thu 13 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.
Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists,
YES FOR THE LONDON AND SOUTH EAST OF ENGLAND.
Well yes but given that a huge amount of England's money ends up here why should Wales complain?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: £8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money. Well, leaving aside that the Olympics did have some spin-off benefits such as regeneration of a huge run-down area, tax receipts from tourists, YES FOR THE LONDON AND SOUTH EAST OF ENGLAND.[/p][/quote]Well yes but given that a huge amount of England's money ends up here why should Wales complain? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

10:44am Thu 13 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak.
I notice you still can't articulate what Wales has got for the £billions already spent in 14 years. Now why is that?
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak.[/p][/quote]I notice you still can't articulate what Wales has got for the £billions already spent in 14 years. Now why is that? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

11:24am Fri 14 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak.
I notice you still can't articulate what Wales has got for the £billions already spent in 14 years. Now why is that?

People voted for the wrong party in government Labour like the Tories have turned Walesinto a third world country.
Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak. I notice you still can't articulate what Wales has got for the £billions already spent in 14 years. Now why is that? People voted for the wrong party in government Labour like the Tories have turned Walesinto a third world country. pwlldu
  • Score: -3

11:56am Fri 14 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak.
I notice you still can't articulate what Wales has got for the £billions already spent in 14 years. Now why is that?

People voted for the wrong party in government Labour like the Tories have turned Walesinto a third world country.
It isn't a country. The 'country' is the UK.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: There are 129 MSPs in Scotland. While in Northern Ireland have 108 members (which has a smaller population than Wales). Wales has sixty, granted both Scotland and NI has more powers than Wales. That was down th Labour in Wales being weak. I notice you still can't articulate what Wales has got for the £billions already spent in 14 years. Now why is that? People voted for the wrong party in government Labour like the Tories have turned Walesinto a third world country.[/p][/quote]It isn't a country. The 'country' is the UK. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 4

3:27pm Sat 15 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

pwlldu wrote:
£8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.
So? why compare, if that can be said is what you are doing.... England spends an inordinate amount of money, say on the cross rail system, does that mean we should follow it's example and spend on insubstantial extras regarding the Assembly?

X Rail ( AS AN EXAMPLE OF HIGH SPEND) will be a benefit to London workers, tourists etc, but just what will an extra 20 bods on benches do for Wales? it would certainly eat into any further funding we managed to con the English taxpayer out of.

The waste is to be found in the unnecessary, not in substantive structural endeavours no matter how blatant or seemingly promiscuous they appear in economic terms.,

As others have and are asking, just what has this Assembly done that could not, or would not have been done by the defunct previous Welsh administration.

We do not need a glorified County Council lookalike to that end. and certainly the current one does not require substantiating, nor increasing in personnel or funding.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: £8.77bn cost of the London 2012 Olympics. London Millennium Dome £1.16 billion in 2014 pounds. MPs' expenses rise to almost £100m and people claim the Welsh Assembly is a waste of money.[/p][/quote]So? why compare, if that can be said is what you are doing.... England spends an inordinate amount of money, say on the cross rail system, does that mean we should follow it's example and spend on insubstantial extras regarding the Assembly? X Rail ( AS AN EXAMPLE OF HIGH SPEND) will be a benefit to London workers, tourists etc, but just what will an extra 20 bods on benches do for Wales? it would certainly eat into any further funding we managed to con the English taxpayer out of. The waste is to be found in the unnecessary, not in substantive structural endeavours no matter how blatant or seemingly promiscuous they appear in economic terms., As others have and are asking, just what has this Assembly done that could not, or would not have been done by the defunct previous Welsh administration. We do not need a glorified County Council lookalike to that end. and certainly the current one does not require substantiating, nor increasing in personnel or funding. varteg1
  • Score: 1

11:04pm Mon 17 Mar 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... if the UK is a country what is it capital, what rugby team or football team it has. So UK won the 1966 football world cup and the rugby world cup. Why is it called the England and Wales cricket ****. The UK has never won a world cup in any sport.
Llanmartinangel says... if the UK is a country what is it capital, what rugby team or football team it has. So UK won the 1966 football world cup and the rugby world cup. Why is it called the England and Wales cricket ****. The UK has never won a world cup in any sport. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

9:04am Sun 23 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

pwlldu wrote:
Llanmartinangel says... if the UK is a country what is it capital, what rugby team or football team it has. So UK won the 1966 football world cup and the rugby world cup. Why is it called the England and Wales cricket ****. The UK has never won a world cup in any sport.
It's historical.

Most of the 'world' sporting events originated here in the UK, however, where they were at one time events between the regions of the UK, Wales, Scotland, Ireland (Rep and NI) and of course, England, the retention of those separate regions became entrenched in the sporting mindset of the world they never managed to be reduced into a UK national team as such.

The regions have retained their individual status in the Commonwealth Games, but not the Olympics, so maybe if we came to accept the UK or GB as a whole became, as with other nations, a one team nation, perhaps we could win something as team GB, which of course it has if you mean trophies rather than just a cup, by often coming near the top in medals in the Olympics and other competitions where it enters as either the UK or GB.
We could still participate as regional team entrants in the European arenas, but come together as a united team for global competition.

If we did that, maybe a collection of talent from all regions into a UK or GB team would turn around our fortunes in lack of 'cups' in world competition.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Llanmartinangel says... if the UK is a country what is it capital, what rugby team or football team it has. So UK won the 1966 football world cup and the rugby world cup. Why is it called the England and Wales cricket ****. The UK has never won a world cup in any sport.[/p][/quote]It's historical. Most of the 'world' sporting events originated here in the UK, however, where they were at one time events between the regions of the UK, Wales, Scotland, Ireland (Rep and NI) and of course, England, the retention of those separate regions became entrenched in the sporting mindset of the world they never managed to be reduced into a UK national team as such. The regions have retained their individual status in the Commonwealth Games, but not the Olympics, so maybe if we came to accept the UK or GB as a whole became, as with other nations, a one team nation, perhaps we could win something as team GB, which of course it has if you mean trophies rather than just a cup, by often coming near the top in medals in the Olympics and other competitions where it enters as either the UK or GB. We could still participate as regional team entrants in the European arenas, but come together as a united team for global competition. If we did that, maybe a collection of talent from all regions into a UK or GB team would turn around our fortunes in lack of 'cups' in world competition. varteg1
  • Score: 0

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