Mac the knife

N HIS thoughtful article on the Miners’ Strike last week, Kevin Ward referred to the clash of personalities between Arthur Scargill and Margaret Thatcher.

There was another abrasive character involved, the newly appointed Chairman of the National Coal Board, Ian MacGregor.

Scargill called him “the butcher of British industry” and “Thatcher’s hatchet man”. And indeed, if Derek Ezra had still been Chairman of the NCB and Joe Gormley President of the NUM, there would have been no strike, and the essential re-structuring of the coal industry would have been achieved much more amicably.

Kevin also mentioned that Edward Heath lost the “Who runs the Country – Government or Unions” general election in February 1974.

That’s true, but only because of our distorted electoral system.

In fact the Conservatives had quarter of a million more votes than Labour, but fewer seats.

Isn’t it time something was done about our unfair voting system?

David Hando Hartridge Newport

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4:03pm Thu 20 Mar 14

theviking666 says...

Isn’t it time something was done about our unfair voting system? Good idea, fewer councillors, few councils, oh Hell lets go all the way no more am's. removed village and town councils, what do any of them do, They all want our money for there pensions and then want you pay for any services who want to use.
Isn’t it time something was done about our unfair voting system? Good idea, fewer councillors, few councils, oh Hell lets go all the way no more am's. removed village and town councils, what do any of them do, They all want our money for there pensions and then want you pay for any services who want to use. theviking666
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7:54pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

You are counting ALL UK voters that puts wales and Scotland out of it, as statistically the majority vote is in England. We cannot go by a 'majority' vote that isn't clearly defined area by area. WHY ? we have 3.06m in Wales, but 8.1m in London, still think the 'majority' vote works ? It will NEVER work for wales. Only Independence can do that.
You are counting ALL UK voters that puts wales and Scotland out of it, as statistically the majority vote is in England. We cannot go by a 'majority' vote that isn't clearly defined area by area. WHY ? we have 3.06m in Wales, but 8.1m in London, still think the 'majority' vote works ? It will NEVER work for wales. Only Independence can do that. Mervyn James
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8:21pm Thu 20 Mar 14

Lord coed melyn says...

Mervyn James wrote:
You are counting ALL UK voters that puts wales and Scotland out of it, as statistically the majority vote is in England. We cannot go by a 'majority' vote that isn't clearly defined area by area. WHY ? we have 3.06m in Wales, but 8.1m in London, still think the 'majority' vote works ? It will NEVER work for wales. Only Independence can do that.
You are correct but the majority like having the minority to kick a round. And if you DONT ? Give the minority any powers to fight with he can never be an equal amongst equals.
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: You are counting ALL UK voters that puts wales and Scotland out of it, as statistically the majority vote is in England. We cannot go by a 'majority' vote that isn't clearly defined area by area. WHY ? we have 3.06m in Wales, but 8.1m in London, still think the 'majority' vote works ? It will NEVER work for wales. Only Independence can do that.[/p][/quote]You are correct but the majority like having the minority to kick a round. And if you DONT ? Give the minority any powers to fight with he can never be an equal amongst equals. Lord coed melyn
  • Score: -2

9:33am Fri 21 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Are you mixing population stats with minority interest groups ? Obviously I would not advocate e.g. save gave whale groups or the like, to get any major voice. either collectively or alone (Exile them all to their own la-la land possibly)..... That is London's problem, having too many minority lobbies telling Westminster, and hence US what to do and how to live. I am stating 3.1 million welsh should determine own futures not 8.1 million Londoners and millions of others in England/Scotland and Ireland not living here, that isn't a democracy at all. the thing that irks London is Wales having a Labour majority, most of whom never attended Eton...

We have a system of voting in Wales so those who want to change that can vote their way, but policies get determined by majority votes elsewhere its stupid,and no doubt why the WAG gets it in the neck despite them having no control over that..
Are you mixing population stats with minority interest groups ? Obviously I would not advocate e.g. save gave whale groups or the like, to get any major voice. either collectively or alone (Exile them all to their own la-la land possibly)..... That is London's problem, having too many minority lobbies telling Westminster, and hence US what to do and how to live. I am stating 3.1 million welsh should determine own futures not 8.1 million Londoners and millions of others in England/Scotland and Ireland not living here, that isn't a democracy at all. the thing that irks London is Wales having a Labour majority, most of whom never attended Eton... We have a system of voting in Wales so those who want to change that can vote their way, but policies get determined by majority votes elsewhere its stupid,and no doubt why the WAG gets it in the neck despite them having no control over that.. Mervyn James
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11:21am Fri 21 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Mervyn says......

"We have a system of voting in Wales so those who want to change that can vote their way, but policies get determined by majority votes elsewhere its stupid,and no doubt why the WAG gets it in the neck despite them having no control over that".

I see no way to alter the present system, we can do some necessary things ;like compulsory voting, minimum turnout levels to 75%, methods of counting etc, but whilst the majority funder of Wales is the English taxpayers, even though we do contribute, but not enough to cover our costs, the option to become independent is a non starter..

It's a pie in the sky ambition that belongs in the land of fantasy.

My argument against the Assembly. (WAG? not in my eyes), it is like a pit bull with no teeth, that has been born neutered..
Mervyn says...... "We have a system of voting in Wales so those who want to change that can vote their way, but policies get determined by majority votes elsewhere its stupid,and no doubt why the WAG gets it in the neck despite them having no control over that". I see no way to alter the present system, we can do some necessary things ;like compulsory voting, minimum turnout levels to 75%, methods of counting etc, but whilst the majority funder of Wales is the English taxpayers, even though we do contribute, but not enough to cover our costs, the option to become independent is a non starter.. It's a pie in the sky ambition that belongs in the land of fantasy. My argument against the Assembly. (WAG? not in my eyes), it is like a pit bull with no teeth, that has been born neutered.. varteg1
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11:42am Fri 21 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

varteg1 wrote:
Mervyn says......

"We have a system of voting in Wales so those who want to change that can vote their way, but policies get determined by majority votes elsewhere its stupid,and no doubt why the WAG gets it in the neck despite them having no control over that".

I see no way to alter the present system, we can do some necessary things ;like compulsory voting, minimum turnout levels to 75%, methods of counting etc, but whilst the majority funder of Wales is the English taxpayers, even though we do contribute, but not enough to cover our costs, the option to become independent is a non starter..

It's a pie in the sky ambition that belongs in the land of fantasy.

My argument against the Assembly. (WAG? not in my eyes), it is like a pit bull with no teeth, that has been born neutered..
'My argument against the Assembly. (WAG? not in my eyes), it is like a pit bull with no teeth, that has been born neutered..'

Almost, you forgot the lobotomy.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Mervyn says...... "We have a system of voting in Wales so those who want to change that can vote their way, but policies get determined by majority votes elsewhere its stupid,and no doubt why the WAG gets it in the neck despite them having no control over that". I see no way to alter the present system, we can do some necessary things ;like compulsory voting, minimum turnout levels to 75%, methods of counting etc, but whilst the majority funder of Wales is the English taxpayers, even though we do contribute, but not enough to cover our costs, the option to become independent is a non starter.. It's a pie in the sky ambition that belongs in the land of fantasy. My argument against the Assembly. (WAG? not in my eyes), it is like a pit bull with no teeth, that has been born neutered..[/p][/quote]'My argument against the Assembly. (WAG? not in my eyes), it is like a pit bull with no teeth, that has been born neutered..' Almost, you forgot the lobotomy. Llanmartinangel
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