Get them out

CAMERON and his government plan to seize numerous items from benefit cheats such as valuables, TVs, cars, and iPads and so on.

While I wholeheartedly agree with this stance, I hope that includes the likes of members of the House of Lords obtaining money for work not undertaken.

Members of Parliament receiving money they are not morally allowed, simply because they say it is within the rules.

Businesses that place money in offshore accounts cheating our government and us out of a reasonable standard of living.

Bank directors’ bonuses taking money out of our hard earned money without our consent.

Businesses that close down in mainland Britain and relocate to other countries leaving us with rising employment benefits etc.

The list is endless.

Around £1.2 billion pounds is estimated as the cost of benefit fraud, this amount would fall into significance if all the aforementioned were retrieved by this so called government that states we are all in this together. Wake up Britain and get this Con-Dem government out.

Ken V Holder Hill Street Risca

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2:37pm Mon 24 Mar 14

-trigg- says...

If current payments or tax evasion are within the rules, then the solution would appear to be to change the rules rather than to arbitrarily confiscate assets without legal authority.

Or are you suggesting that a Labour government would be above the law? Admittedly, Tony Blair thought that was the case I suppose...
If current payments or tax evasion are within the rules, then the solution would appear to be to change the rules rather than to arbitrarily confiscate assets without legal authority. Or are you suggesting that a Labour government would be above the law? Admittedly, Tony Blair thought that was the case I suppose... -trigg-
  • Score: 8

2:49pm Mon 24 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

seizure of assets is hardly a new policy.

the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud -

it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12.

its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent.

error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE.

only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn.

benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.
seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10. whatintheworld
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4:08pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

whatintheworld wrote:
seizure of assets is hardly a new policy.

the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud -

it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12.

its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent.

error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE.

only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn.

benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.
Why are you lumping tax evasion and avoidance together? Evasion is a criminal activity, avoidance is the deployment of legal means to reduce your liability for tax.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.[/p][/quote]Why are you lumping tax evasion and avoidance together? Evasion is a criminal activity, avoidance is the deployment of legal means to reduce your liability for tax. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

7:01pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Mervyn James says...

Pales into insignificance compared with £5-7 BILLION frauds working in the NHS... One dentists forged 38,000 false dental treatment forms and lived the life of Riley. Via ye olde BBC which is creaking at the knees also, we saw quoted, 240,000 more nurses could be employed, which changed to 440,000 nurses then reverted to 250,000 new nurses all within the same 9 minute news item, do they make it up as they go along ?
Pales into insignificance compared with £5-7 BILLION frauds working in the NHS... One dentists forged 38,000 false dental treatment forms and lived the life of Riley. Via ye olde BBC which is creaking at the knees also, we saw quoted, 240,000 more nurses could be employed, which changed to 440,000 nurses then reverted to 250,000 new nurses all within the same 9 minute news item, do they make it up as they go along ? Mervyn James
  • Score: 3

10:49am Tue 25 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.
Why are you lumping tax evasion and avoidance together? Evasion is a criminal activity, avoidance is the deployment of legal means to reduce your liability for tax.
the firgure just gives a bit of perspective
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.[/p][/quote]Why are you lumping tax evasion and avoidance together? Evasion is a criminal activity, avoidance is the deployment of legal means to reduce your liability for tax.[/p][/quote]the firgure just gives a bit of perspective whatintheworld
  • Score: -2

11:52am Tue 25 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
whatintheworld wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.
Why are you lumping tax evasion and avoidance together? Evasion is a criminal activity, avoidance is the deployment of legal means to reduce your liability for tax.
the firgure just gives a bit of perspective
Provided it's economic to do so then chasing down all criminal activity should be carried out, be it tax evasion, benefit fraud or robbing from the NHS. Adding perfectly legal behaviour into such an argument isn't indicative of anything other than padding a figure out to reinforce a spurious view.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.[/p][/quote]Why are you lumping tax evasion and avoidance together? Evasion is a criminal activity, avoidance is the deployment of legal means to reduce your liability for tax.[/p][/quote]the firgure just gives a bit of perspective[/p][/quote]Provided it's economic to do so then chasing down all criminal activity should be carried out, be it tax evasion, benefit fraud or robbing from the NHS. Adding perfectly legal behaviour into such an argument isn't indicative of anything other than padding a figure out to reinforce a spurious view. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

12:00pm Tue 25 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron. varteg1
  • Score: 0

3:02pm Tue 25 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

varteg1 wrote:
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.[/p][/quote]There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

8:36pm Tue 25 Mar 14

bugsy93 says...

No point in working for a living when we see our public services and politicians are so corrupt.
After spending over forty years doing a honest days work for a living and see so much corruption in the rank & files of our society, I often wonder if I have done all this only to be kicked up the backside for doing so. I would be better off being a criminal or politician!
No point in working for a living when we see our public services and politicians are so corrupt. After spending over forty years doing a honest days work for a living and see so much corruption in the rank & files of our society, I often wonder if I have done all this only to be kicked up the backside for doing so. I would be better off being a criminal or politician! bugsy93
  • Score: 2

12:54pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

Independent estimates of benefits fraud by forensic accounts put the total cost of benefits fraud at £20B a year
Independent estimates of benefits fraud by forensic accounts put the total cost of benefits fraud at £20B a year Bobevans
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12:56pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Bobevans says...

whatintheworld wrote:
seizure of assets is hardly a new policy.

the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud -

it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12.

its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent.

error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE.

only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn.

benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.
Totally incorrect. Benefits fraud is estimated to be about £20B a year. The governments figures are wrong. World class organisation do not achieve 0.7% and I would not put our government in the world class category
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.[/p][/quote]Totally incorrect. Benefits fraud is estimated to be about £20B a year. The governments figures are wrong. World class organisation do not achieve 0.7% and I would not put our government in the world class category Bobevans
  • Score: 0

4:52pm Wed 26 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.
Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour.

It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line.

Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did.

Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.[/p][/quote]There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.[/p][/quote]Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour. It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line. Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did. Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did. varteg1
  • Score: -2

5:20pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

varteg1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.
Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour.

It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line.

Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did.

Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.
It's called democracy. Free speech and all that. I'm inclined to point out that all governments rob people, the last one was particularly bad in that regard and lousy at what they spent their ill-gottens on. But if you want my opinion on the current mob, they are doing marginally better but I'm not their biggest fan either.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.[/p][/quote]There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.[/p][/quote]Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour. It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line. Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did. Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.[/p][/quote]It's called democracy. Free speech and all that. I'm inclined to point out that all governments rob people, the last one was particularly bad in that regard and lousy at what they spent their ill-gottens on. But if you want my opinion on the current mob, they are doing marginally better but I'm not their biggest fan either. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 3

7:08pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

varteg1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.
Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour.

It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line.

Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did.

Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.
You refer to 'no particular party in our out of government'? Who's the 'Camoron' mentioned in your post then? Not the Conservative PM by any chance? Frankly mate if anything is tedious it's the endless chip-on-shoulder drivel about success which gets my goat. A Welsh speciality. They are already taking more than half of 'rich' people's earnings. Deluding yourself that going after even more is going to work is just plain daft.
[quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.[/p][/quote]There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.[/p][/quote]Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour. It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line. Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did. Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.[/p][/quote]You refer to 'no particular party in our out of government'? Who's the 'Camoron' mentioned in your post then? Not the Conservative PM by any chance? Frankly mate if anything is tedious it's the endless chip-on-shoulder drivel about success which gets my goat. A Welsh speciality. They are already taking more than half of 'rich' people's earnings. Deluding yourself that going after even more is going to work is just plain daft. Stevenboy
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Wed 26 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Stevenboy wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.
Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour.

It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line.

Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did.

Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.
You refer to 'no particular party in our out of government'? Who's the 'Camoron' mentioned in your post then? Not the Conservative PM by any chance? Frankly mate if anything is tedious it's the endless chip-on-shoulder drivel about success which gets my goat. A Welsh speciality. They are already taking more than half of 'rich' people's earnings. Deluding yourself that going after even more is going to work is just plain daft.
Camoron may be the current PM, but to me he like preceding oiks of both parties are all morons.

Or maybe I should amend that by saying they think it is us that are morons.

And considering the things we as a community allow them to get away with, such as selling off the nations assets, and screwing the taxation system to their own benefit , well maybe they are right in thinking that.

AS I said, I am neutral taking things overall, I wait to see what Milliband's potential comes to before I find a epithet for him., others have reChristened Tony as Bliar., there may be some mileage in that, however no matter who I re name, I can usually find sufficient grounds for taking a pop, all of which is based on my antipathy to politicians in general, and my utter abhorrence of career types in particular, with not a single day of real work experience behind them.. I do not consider towel folding in some flash hotel as work.
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.[/p][/quote]There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.[/p][/quote]Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour. It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line. Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did. Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.[/p][/quote]You refer to 'no particular party in our out of government'? Who's the 'Camoron' mentioned in your post then? Not the Conservative PM by any chance? Frankly mate if anything is tedious it's the endless chip-on-shoulder drivel about success which gets my goat. A Welsh speciality. They are already taking more than half of 'rich' people's earnings. Deluding yourself that going after even more is going to work is just plain daft.[/p][/quote]Camoron may be the current PM, but to me he like preceding oiks of both parties are all morons. Or maybe I should amend that by saying they think it is us that are morons. And considering the things we as a community allow them to get away with, such as selling off the nations assets, and screwing the taxation system to their own benefit , well maybe they are right in thinking that. AS I said, I am neutral taking things overall, I wait to see what Milliband's potential comes to before I find a epithet for him., others have reChristened Tony as Bliar., there may be some mileage in that, however no matter who I re name, I can usually find sufficient grounds for taking a pop, all of which is based on my antipathy to politicians in general, and my utter abhorrence of career types in particular, with not a single day of real work experience behind them.. I do not consider towel folding in some flash hotel as work. varteg1
  • Score: -1

9:31pm Wed 26 Mar 14

varteg1 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
varteg1 wrote:
Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days?

We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.
There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.
Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour.

It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line.

Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did.

Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.
It's called democracy. Free speech and all that. I'm inclined to point out that all governments rob people, the last one was particularly bad in that regard and lousy at what they spent their ill-gottens on. But if you want my opinion on the current mob, they are doing marginally better but I'm not their biggest fan either.
You may call it democracy, I don't when a region of the UK is handed over to a bunch of party hacks on a result that meant what occurred was based on the votes of one sixth of the voting population, and whose constant endeavours have been to focus our minds and pennies on this dratted language.

AS for 'free speech, yes, unless you hit on a sore point that the editorial staff refuse to acknowledge, mainly because they are themselves subjected to rules, beyond those of libel, set b y the owners of the media to which you aim your 'free speech'

You make claims regarding the misuse of the tax take by the previous administration, but I noite that despite being taken to task oiver similar remarks over the months, you never seem to take on board the fact that it was not within Labours capabilities to control what happened across the commercial and fiscal world, which of you care to recall, Brown was praised for his policies to take the task of makjinhg the UK markets stable, and which was adopted across the globe as the most sensible and practical way to address the issue, nor do you ever seem to take on board the fact that our economy was rising, bouncing back, just prior to the last election, with a reducing deficit, which ever since this lot took over has increased dramatically.
Despite all the media hype about things improving virtually all aspects of our economy are nowhere near as healthy as they were just prior to that election, and are unlikely to get to even that point before the next one.

So in that sense, I suggest the present mob are not 'marginally ' doing better, they are in fact doing, and have done, far worse.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]varteg1[/bold] wrote: Any one know where Robin Hood lives these days? We desperately need someone of his ilk to tackle the modern version of the Sheriff of Nottingham, who comes in the form of Camoron.[/p][/quote]There's the Labour version: Rob off everyone and then squander it like they did for thirteen years and are still doing with council tax.[/p][/quote]Get off your hobby horse, I refer to no particular party in or out of government, whereas all you can come out with is scurrilous commentary on Labour. It gets tedious reading your constant whinging along that line. Try sticking to neutral comment, or of needing to castigate, hit on the current government, forget what Labour ( NU) did. Or are you actually Gideon, as it seems all he can do is constantly whine about what Labour did.[/p][/quote]It's called democracy. Free speech and all that. I'm inclined to point out that all governments rob people, the last one was particularly bad in that regard and lousy at what they spent their ill-gottens on. But if you want my opinion on the current mob, they are doing marginally better but I'm not their biggest fan either.[/p][/quote]You may call it democracy, I don't when a region of the UK is handed over to a bunch of party hacks on a result that meant what occurred was based on the votes of one sixth of the voting population, and whose constant endeavours have been to focus our minds and pennies on this dratted language. AS for 'free speech, yes, unless you hit on a sore point that the editorial staff refuse to acknowledge, mainly because they are themselves subjected to rules, beyond those of libel, set b y the owners of the media to which you aim your 'free speech' You make claims regarding the misuse of the tax take by the previous administration, but I noite that despite being taken to task oiver similar remarks over the months, you never seem to take on board the fact that it was not within Labours capabilities to control what happened across the commercial and fiscal world, which of you care to recall, Brown was praised for his policies to take the task of makjinhg the UK markets stable, and which was adopted across the globe as the most sensible and practical way to address the issue, nor do you ever seem to take on board the fact that our economy was rising, bouncing back, just prior to the last election, with a reducing deficit, which ever since this lot took over has increased dramatically. Despite all the media hype about things improving virtually all aspects of our economy are nowhere near as healthy as they were just prior to that election, and are unlikely to get to even that point before the next one. So in that sense, I suggest the present mob are not 'marginally ' doing better, they are in fact doing, and have done, far worse. varteg1
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5:40pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Nig says...

whatintheworld wrote:
seizure of assets is hardly a new policy.

the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud -

it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12.

its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent.

error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE.

only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn.

benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.
benefit fraud is less than 1% of the total welfare budget, conversely monies paid out wrongly by DWP stands at 2% , interestingly thou 80% of the total welfare budget is spent OAP's. No doubt Osborne has his eye on them and is sharpening the axe ready for chop/
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: seizure of assets is hardly a new policy. the gov. needs to sort its priorities. here are a few facts about benefit fraud - it accounts for about one per cent of the total annual benefits and tax credits spend, which ran at £194.3bn in 2011/12. its NOT getting worse. 0.7 per cent of its benefits were overpaid this year due to fraud. The percentage was exactly the same last year, and it was a fraction higher in 2010/11 – 0.8 per cent. error – in the form of honest mistakes made by claimants or official ****-ups – cost £3.4bn last year. quite a bit MORE. only a fraction of the money lost from tax evasion and avoidance. HMRC puts this figure at £32bn. benefit fraud is DWARFED by unclaimed benefit. DWP say between £7.5bn and £12.3bn of the six main benefits it administers were left unclaimed in 2009/10.[/p][/quote]benefit fraud is less than 1% of the total welfare budget, conversely monies paid out wrongly by DWP stands at 2% , interestingly thou 80% of the total welfare budget is spent OAP's. No doubt Osborne has his eye on them and is sharpening the axe ready for chop/ Nig
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