Sound option

First published in Letters

IT’S GOOD news that our Labour-led Welsh Government is investing £25,000 in Islwyn Community Credit Union. Credit unions are not-for-profit, community-based alternatives to traditional banks and payday lenders. People in Islwyn will be reassured to know that our own local credit union will remain secure, and continue to offer accessible loans and encourage savings.

Gez Kirby, St Andrews Drive, Pontllanfraith

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2:56pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.
Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake. Stevenboy
  • Score: 8

5:43pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Gez Kirby says...

I didn't claim this investment was good news to the Welsh Government. I said it was good news for Islwyn. And it is. In tough times, the better chance Islwyn people have of avoiding payday lenders and their astronomical interest rates, the better chance they'll have of making ends meet. Islwyn Credit Union can help them.

Your final sentence is discourteous at best. Why do so many people 'below the line' think they can abuse people at will? Debate, yes; disdain, no. Get some manners, for goodness sake.
I didn't claim this investment was good news to the Welsh Government. I said it was good news for Islwyn. And it is. In tough times, the better chance Islwyn people have of avoiding payday lenders and their astronomical interest rates, the better chance they'll have of making ends meet. Islwyn Credit Union can help them. Your final sentence is discourteous at best. Why do so many people 'below the line' think they can abuse people at will? Debate, yes; disdain, no. Get some manners, for goodness sake. Gez Kirby
  • Score: -6

8:44am Fri 28 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

Gez Kirby wrote:
I didn't claim this investment was good news to the Welsh Government. I said it was good news for Islwyn. And it is. In tough times, the better chance Islwyn people have of avoiding payday lenders and their astronomical interest rates, the better chance they'll have of making ends meet. Islwyn Credit Union can help them.

Your final sentence is discourteous at best. Why do so many people 'below the line' think they can abuse people at will? Debate, yes; disdain, no. Get some manners, for goodness sake.
You are right that my final comment was discourteous and I apologise. But surely even you can understand the frustration of people in Wales who are genuinely worried by the state of the NHS here whilst the party you represent is in total denial. You manage to find funds for every non-essential cause under the sun and this £25K of taxpayers money is just another random contribution alongside huge grants to Welsh language services and other stuff which most people on waiting lists couldn't give a fig about. Most of us just wish you'd concentrate on the important issues.
[quote][p][bold]Gez Kirby[/bold] wrote: I didn't claim this investment was good news to the Welsh Government. I said it was good news for Islwyn. And it is. In tough times, the better chance Islwyn people have of avoiding payday lenders and their astronomical interest rates, the better chance they'll have of making ends meet. Islwyn Credit Union can help them. Your final sentence is discourteous at best. Why do so many people 'below the line' think they can abuse people at will? Debate, yes; disdain, no. Get some manners, for goodness sake.[/p][/quote]You are right that my final comment was discourteous and I apologise. But surely even you can understand the frustration of people in Wales who are genuinely worried by the state of the NHS here whilst the party you represent is in total denial. You manage to find funds for every non-essential cause under the sun and this £25K of taxpayers money is just another random contribution alongside huge grants to Welsh language services and other stuff which most people on waiting lists couldn't give a fig about. Most of us just wish you'd concentrate on the important issues. Stevenboy
  • Score: 5

10:13am Fri 28 Mar 14

theviking666 says...

the better chance Islwyn people have of avoiding payday lenders and their astronomical interest rates, the better chance they'll have of making ends meet. And so would keeping council tax bills down help.
the better chance Islwyn people have of avoiding payday lenders and their astronomical interest rates, the better chance they'll have of making ends meet. And so would keeping council tax bills down help. theviking666
  • Score: -1

11:32am Fri 28 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Stevenboy wrote:
Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.
very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though

just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"?

whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.[/p][/quote]very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"? whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around? whatintheworld
  • Score: -4

12:09pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Stevenboy says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.
very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though

just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"?

whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?
Well for a start I'd argue that with the recession over, most airports will see an uptick in passenger traffic and they'll be doing it without an ongoing taxpayer subsidy. But the real question is this: is flying a necessity or a luxury? Should the WAG care if people have to travel to England to fly? The people in mid and North Wales have to anyway and it's their money too. The NHS is something we can't opt out of for emergency services at least.
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.[/p][/quote]very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"? whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?[/p][/quote]Well for a start I'd argue that with the recession over, most airports will see an uptick in passenger traffic and they'll be doing it without an ongoing taxpayer subsidy. But the real question is this: is flying a necessity or a luxury? Should the WAG care if people have to travel to England to fly? The people in mid and North Wales have to anyway and it's their money too. The NHS is something we can't opt out of for emergency services at least. Stevenboy
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Fri 28 Mar 14

whatintheworld says...

Stevenboy wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Stevenboy wrote: Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.
very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"? whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?
Well for a start I'd argue that with the recession over, most airports will see an uptick in passenger traffic and they'll be doing it without an ongoing taxpayer subsidy. But the real question is this: is flying a necessity or a luxury? Should the WAG care if people have to travel to England to fly? The people in mid and North Wales have to anyway and it's their money too. The NHS is something we can't opt out of for emergency services at least.
fair point!
[quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.[/p][/quote]very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"? whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?[/p][/quote]Well for a start I'd argue that with the recession over, most airports will see an uptick in passenger traffic and they'll be doing it without an ongoing taxpayer subsidy. But the real question is this: is flying a necessity or a luxury? Should the WAG care if people have to travel to England to fly? The people in mid and North Wales have to anyway and it's their money too. The NHS is something we can't opt out of for emergency services at least.[/p][/quote]fair point! whatintheworld
  • Score: 4

8:59pm Fri 28 Mar 14

scraptheWAG says...

whatintheworld wrote:
Stevenboy wrote:
whatintheworld wrote:
Stevenboy wrote: Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.
very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"? whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?
Well for a start I'd argue that with the recession over, most airports will see an uptick in passenger traffic and they'll be doing it without an ongoing taxpayer subsidy. But the real question is this: is flying a necessity or a luxury? Should the WAG care if people have to travel to England to fly? The people in mid and North Wales have to anyway and it's their money too. The NHS is something we can't opt out of for emergency services at least.
fair point!
i see their airport has posted ANOTHER loss we now subsidise the airport for a couple of million per annum and also pay one million for the empty planes to anglesey
[quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whatintheworld[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevenboy[/bold] wrote: Really? I'd call that scratching about for a positive story at best. People are dying on waiting lists or becoming cripples, waiting for orthopaedic operations. Education results are falling through the floor, yet to this 'Labour led WAG', £25k to a credit union is 'good news'? and propping up a failing airport at a cost of £millions is bannered as 'success'. Get a grip for pity's sake.[/p][/quote]very reasonable of you to offer an apology for your last line! i didn't think it was - that - bad though just one question: with more routes planned and an increase in passenger numbers of 9%, can the airport really be described as "failing"? whether you agree with the decision to purchase it in the first place or not, you must agree that the WG have turned the airport's fortunes around?[/p][/quote]Well for a start I'd argue that with the recession over, most airports will see an uptick in passenger traffic and they'll be doing it without an ongoing taxpayer subsidy. But the real question is this: is flying a necessity or a luxury? Should the WAG care if people have to travel to England to fly? The people in mid and North Wales have to anyway and it's their money too. The NHS is something we can't opt out of for emergency services at least.[/p][/quote]fair point![/p][/quote]i see their airport has posted ANOTHER loss we now subsidise the airport for a couple of million per annum and also pay one million for the empty planes to anglesey scraptheWAG
  • Score: 2

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