Waste of money

I HAD a ‘Jobsworth’ knocking the door this morning from the refuse department.

I have had an orange top wheelie bin for the last few weeks since my normal wheelie bin was changed to the smaller one and I requested an orange top which I have not used yet as I haven’t done any gardening yet.

This person wasted money on petrol to come back today to say that they had not emptied my orange top because it had a tetrapack in it which I had not put there.

I have now been issued with a warning letter saying that if I don’t use the orange top for garden waste then they will take it off me.

For many years, I have been taking my garden rubbish to the tip myself and have always recycled.

As I was driving over George Street Bridge recently, a 4x4 with a brand new 2014 registration number pulled up beside me covered in Newport City Council logos.

How dare they waste money on brand new vehicles when they are putting up our council tax every year without explaining what they are wasting our money on!

Mrs P Taylor, Conway Road, Newport

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12:54pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Good lord. Exactly the same happened to me. I was sternly informed that my garden waste was 'contaminated'. Clearly I was concerned about the presence of a radioactive isotope or discarded chemical weapons. The 'toxic' article, as it turned out, was a waxed cardboard carton that my public spirited neighbour had picked up off the road. I cheerfully (not), informed the public sector chappie that I would grovel in mortification at my grave offence and respectfully requested that perhaps his priority should be the fly-tipped 'contaminants' in the nearby lane. Guess what: not his job.
Good lord. Exactly the same happened to me. I was sternly informed that my garden waste was 'contaminated'. Clearly I was concerned about the presence of a radioactive isotope or discarded chemical weapons. The 'toxic' article, as it turned out, was a waxed cardboard carton that my public spirited neighbour had picked up off the road. I cheerfully (not), informed the public sector chappie that I would grovel in mortification at my grave offence and respectfully requested that perhaps his priority should be the fly-tipped 'contaminants' in the nearby lane. Guess what: not his job. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 8

4:07pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Realist UK says...

You get the council you elect.
You get the council you elect. Realist UK
  • Score: -7

5:08pm Fri 28 Mar 14

phyl-ray says...

Realist UK wrote:
You get the council you elect.
Realist UK: How can you make the above comment when you do not know who I voted for!!
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: You get the council you elect.[/p][/quote]Realist UK: How can you make the above comment when you do not know who I voted for!! phyl-ray
  • Score: 10

6:58pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Realist UK says...

phyl-ray wrote:
Realist UK wrote:
You get the council you elect.
Realist UK: How can you make the above comment when you do not know who I voted for!!
Simple, whether you voted for them or not makes no difference as the majority of voters wanted these people to represent them.
[quote][p][bold]phyl-ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: You get the council you elect.[/p][/quote]Realist UK: How can you make the above comment when you do not know who I voted for!![/p][/quote]Simple, whether you voted for them or not makes no difference as the majority of voters wanted these people to represent them. Realist UK
  • Score: -2

8:01am Sat 29 Mar 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Realist UK wrote:
phyl-ray wrote:
Realist UK wrote:
You get the council you elect.
Realist UK: How can you make the above comment when you do not know who I voted for!!
Simple, whether you voted for them or not makes no difference as the majority of voters wanted these people to represent them.
There is a serious point here. Waste collection is the only council service (??) where they HAVE to interact with every council tax payer. Not everyone uses all the other things they do yet, where refuse is concerned they commit one PR gaff after another and manage to infuriate almost everyone who pays their wages. Someone needs to make them understand that.
[quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phyl-ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Realist UK[/bold] wrote: You get the council you elect.[/p][/quote]Realist UK: How can you make the above comment when you do not know who I voted for!![/p][/quote]Simple, whether you voted for them or not makes no difference as the majority of voters wanted these people to represent them.[/p][/quote]There is a serious point here. Waste collection is the only council service (??) where they HAVE to interact with every council tax payer. Not everyone uses all the other things they do yet, where refuse is concerned they commit one PR gaff after another and manage to infuriate almost everyone who pays their wages. Someone needs to make them understand that. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

8:18pm Sat 29 Mar 14

blackandamber says...

Just dont recycle anything there is no legal requirement for you to do so.
Just dont recycle anything there is no legal requirement for you to do so. blackandamber
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Sat 29 Mar 14

keithbob says...

fly tip it instead,works for the pikeys!
fly tip it instead,works for the pikeys! keithbob
  • Score: 0

10:45am Sun 30 Mar 14

DraigDun says...

I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm).
As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...
I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm). As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane... DraigDun
  • Score: -5

8:58pm Sun 30 Mar 14

phyl-ray says...

DraigDun wrote:
I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm).
As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...
How can it be entirely my responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins when the bins do not have a locking facility on them and as I live in a street where there is no front garden to our houses it is impossible to stop other people putting incorrect items in my bins or boxes!! When I put items in my bins I ALWAYS put the correct items in the correct bins!! I have had bags of dog mess stuck in the top of my wheely bin (I DO NOT) have a dog!! There have been cigarette packets dumped on my boxes (NO ONE) in my house smokes and the offending item that prompted the visit was ONE Tetrapack which had been put in my orange top bin which I did NOT put in there!!
I would be happy to accept a ticking off if I had been the offender but I am NOT happy to accept being spoken to as if I am a naughty schoolchild by any person who is quite frankly wasting money by coming back to my home on another day after the collection day (when I was in my home) and it does not take two men and a van to administer the punishment!!
[quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm). As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...[/p][/quote]How can it be entirely my responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins when the bins do not have a locking facility on them and as I live in a street where there is no front garden to our houses it is impossible to stop other people putting incorrect items in my bins or boxes!! When I put items in my bins I ALWAYS put the correct items in the correct bins!! I have had bags of dog mess stuck in the top of my wheely bin (I DO NOT) have a dog!! There have been cigarette packets dumped on my boxes (NO ONE) in my house smokes and the offending item that prompted the visit was ONE Tetrapack which had been put in my orange top bin which I did NOT put in there!! I would be happy to accept a ticking off if I had been the offender but I am NOT happy to accept being spoken to as if I am a naughty schoolchild by any person who is quite frankly wasting money by coming back to my home on another day after the collection day (when I was in my home) and it does not take two men and a van to administer the punishment!! phyl-ray
  • Score: 5

10:12am Mon 31 Mar 14

Robert Shillabeer says...

I don't live in Newport Council's area but in Monmouthshire we have similar problems. Twice in the past week the bin men called to a house in my street as I was walking along and I saw a council employee collecting firstly the food waste and saw him take the bag out of the bin and then simply without stopping throw the blue box onto the pavement causing it to land in the middle of the pavement some ten yards from the house he collected it from. Again two days later I saw the same employee collecting garden waste from bags paid for by the resident when he spilled almost half of the garden waste onto the road and chose to ignore it and threw the bag over the wall into the owners garden. To me this means that council manager/supervisors need to spend far more time monitoring how thier staff perform thier duties than chasing members of the public. If someone does fail to segregate thier waste correctly a letter would be just as quick and far cheaper to administer than paying a personal visit unless the issue is an ongoing one that is.
I don't live in Newport Council's area but in Monmouthshire we have similar problems. Twice in the past week the bin men called to a house in my street as I was walking along and I saw a council employee collecting firstly the food waste and saw him take the bag out of the bin and then simply without stopping throw the blue box onto the pavement causing it to land in the middle of the pavement some ten yards from the house he collected it from. Again two days later I saw the same employee collecting garden waste from bags paid for by the resident when he spilled almost half of the garden waste onto the road and chose to ignore it and threw the bag over the wall into the owners garden. To me this means that council manager/supervisors need to spend far more time monitoring how thier staff perform thier duties than chasing members of the public. If someone does fail to segregate thier waste correctly a letter would be just as quick and far cheaper to administer than paying a personal visit unless the issue is an ongoing one that is. Robert Shillabeer
  • Score: 3

12:15pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Gasguy says...

I had a similar experience, I put my orange lidded bin out, they looked in it, left it unemptied then posted a note saying it was unavailable for inspection!
I know they looked in it as I have cctv, I wasn't aware that they 'inspected' my bin anyway.
I think most people try quite hard to recycle but for goodness sake, we have a million other things that we need to try hard over so do I need a bin emptied once a month because I or someone else has put something in there that shouldn't be there?
I had a similar experience, I put my orange lidded bin out, they looked in it, left it unemptied then posted a note saying it was unavailable for inspection! I know they looked in it as I have cctv, I wasn't aware that they 'inspected' my bin anyway. I think most people try quite hard to recycle but for goodness sake, we have a million other things that we need to try hard over so do I need a bin emptied once a month because I or someone else has put something in there that shouldn't be there? Gasguy
  • Score: 2

3:49pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

DraigDun wrote:
I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm).
As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...
Do you work for the Council because only they would make stupid comments like your?

Perhaps we should visit your home and search for contaminated items
[quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm). As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...[/p][/quote]Do you work for the Council because only they would make stupid comments like your? Perhaps we should visit your home and search for contaminated items Bobevans
  • Score: 2

3:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

The legal position is that the Council has a statuary duty to collect household waste. If the council refused to take the waste then they are acting illegally although they may try to claim otherwise
The legal position is that the Council has a statuary duty to collect household waste. If the council refused to take the waste then they are acting illegally although they may try to claim otherwise Bobevans
  • Score: 2

3:53pm Tue 1 Apr 14

phyl-ray says...

Bobevans wrote:
DraigDun wrote:
I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm).
As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...
Do you work for the Council because only they would make stupid comments like your?

Perhaps we should visit your home and search for contaminated items
Bob the same thought occurred to me also after reading DraigDun's comment!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm). As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...[/p][/quote]Do you work for the Council because only they would make stupid comments like your? Perhaps we should visit your home and search for contaminated items[/p][/quote]Bob the same thought occurred to me also after reading DraigDun's comment!!! phyl-ray
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Tue 1 Apr 14

DraigDun says...

phyl-ray wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
DraigDun wrote:
I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm).
As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...
Do you work for the Council because only they would make stupid comments like your?

Perhaps we should visit your home and search for contaminated items
Bob the same thought occurred to me also after reading DraigDun's comment!!!
No, I do not work for any council. I simply approached this matter with an open mind to the difficulties of implementing a recycling service for 60,000+ households.

It's not surprising that some people find certain measures excessive, but without some simple rules (e.g. put paper and nothing but paper in the bin that states 'paper only') and routinely applied checks/enforcement, the service would be less credible. You don't have to strain your imagination to figure that out.

So anyway, come over to inspect my bins and bring the whole pitchfork-wielding mob. What would that achieve asides from harassing someone until they cease to dissent?

I would indeed like to hear a real member of the Council's take on this.
[quote][p][bold]phyl-ray[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DraigDun[/bold] wrote: I understand your annoyance, but it is entirely your responsibility to ensure that the correct items are in the right bins. The worker was doing an important job of bringing the 'contamination' to your attention because a lot of people need to be told - that's the way to improve the collection service so that people feel slightly less outraged at not having value-for-money public services (the norm). As for fly-tipping, you can and should report that. There's a facility on the council's website for it. Imagine how much we could save if the council didn't have to employ people to go around checking every lane...[/p][/quote]Do you work for the Council because only they would make stupid comments like your? Perhaps we should visit your home and search for contaminated items[/p][/quote]Bob the same thought occurred to me also after reading DraigDun's comment!!![/p][/quote]No, I do not work for any council. I simply approached this matter with an open mind to the difficulties of implementing a recycling service for 60,000+ households. It's not surprising that some people find certain measures excessive, but without some simple rules (e.g. put paper and nothing but paper in the bin that states 'paper only') and routinely applied checks/enforcement, the service would be less credible. You don't have to strain your imagination to figure that out. So anyway, come over to inspect my bins and bring the whole pitchfork-wielding mob. What would that achieve asides from harassing someone until they cease to dissent? I would indeed like to hear a real member of the Council's take on this. DraigDun
  • Score: -1

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