Courtesy lacking

THE days when Labour politicians cared about what ordinary people think have clearly gone.

I recently wrote a critical but polite email to Carwyn Jones, the First Minister of the Welsh Assembly, about the current state of the NHS in Wales. I did not receive an acknowledgement, let alone a reply from him or his office.

When Caerphilly CBC was in the news regarding the outrageous pay increases to its officers, I telephoned and wrote to Harry Andrews, leader of the Council on several occasions and had no response from him either!

Clearly, some Labour politicians feel that they are too important to have to consider the views and feelings of people like me who regularly used to vote for them. Consequently, It is unlikely that Labour will ever have my vote again. Why should I, vote for it when even the most basic courtesies seem alien to its senior representatives? It is sad to see what Labour has become. It seems to me that the notion of public service has been replaced by notions of self-importance and indifference.

S L Morgan, North Road, Newbridge

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12:51pm Tue 1 Apr 14

theviking666 says...

It is sad to see what Labour has become. It seems to me that the notion of public service has been replaced by notions of self-importance and indifference. SO TRUE, and if they read this, they still won't care.
It is sad to see what Labour has become. It seems to me that the notion of public service has been replaced by notions of self-importance and indifference. SO TRUE, and if they read this, they still won't care. theviking666
  • Score: 10

1:06pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

Of course they don't care what you think, it's not like you have to fear elections in Wales if you stand on a red ticket is it?
Of course they don't care what you think, it's not like you have to fear elections in Wales if you stand on a red ticket is it? Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 5

1:20pm Tue 1 Apr 14

Gez Kirby says...

I agree with Mr Morgan that it's disappointing if Carwyn Jones and Harry Andrews didn't reply personally to him. I don't believe these instances were deliberate failures to respond, and I don't agree that Welsh Labour representatives neglect what ordinary people think.

I recommend that Mr Morgan contacts his local Labour representatives - Gwyn Price AM (for Islwyn) and Cllr Gary Johnston (for Newbridge) - and I'm sure that these conscientious gentlemen will be glad to respond to any points he wishes to raise.
I agree with Mr Morgan that it's disappointing if Carwyn Jones and Harry Andrews didn't reply personally to him. I don't believe these instances were deliberate failures to respond, and I don't agree that Welsh Labour representatives neglect what ordinary people think. I recommend that Mr Morgan contacts his local Labour representatives - Gwyn Price AM (for Islwyn) and Cllr Gary Johnston (for Newbridge) - and I'm sure that these conscientious gentlemen will be glad to respond to any points he wishes to raise. Gez Kirby
  • Score: -2

1:42pm Tue 1 Apr 14

sillybilly43 says...

Labour long ago ceased to be a Party representing the "working" class. How could it, when the leaders are from privileged backgrounds, and mostly have never had a "proper" job outside politics.. What the Labour Party has become, is a step on the greasy pole of politics, for their own advancement.(As with Blair) But sadly, if there was a Donkey put up, under the Labour flag, the Sheep will vote for it, under the sad illusion they are voting for a party that CARES! We only have to look at the Welsh MAffia down the Bay. Overpaid, underqualified, and there for themselves.!!!!
Labour long ago ceased to be a Party representing the "working" class. How could it, when the leaders are from privileged backgrounds, and mostly have never had a "proper" job outside politics.. What the Labour Party has become, is a step on the greasy pole of politics, for their own advancement.(As with Blair) But sadly, if there was a Donkey put up, under the Labour flag, the Sheep will vote for it, under the sad illusion they are voting for a party that CARES! We only have to look at the Welsh MAffia down the Bay. Overpaid, underqualified, and there for themselves.!!!! sillybilly43
  • Score: 5

4:24pm Tue 1 Apr 14

welshmen says...

Labour the same as the others, ALL IN IT FOR THEM SELVES, Lord and Lady Kinnock, have they or others like them put anything back into their Communities NO, only made Millions through his Bullcrap, " I'am one of you" lies, the NHS have 1200 staff being paid from £30K to £90K a year for having a NON JOB, invented for the ever cash increases for their Budgets.

None of the political parties are bothered because the £10 a month NHS membership we will have to pay to get treatment is on the way, this is the start of Private medical treatment, yet again it's up to us the British people to get courage and change, change for a party that puts British people first all the time not just at voting time with their lies to FOOL you yet again, and guess what it works every time sheeple, RED ROSETTE we'll vote for that our dad did....The BNP or UKIP, either are better for the British than the others....
Labour the same as the others, ALL IN IT FOR THEM SELVES, Lord and Lady Kinnock, have they or others like them put anything back into their Communities NO, only made Millions through his Bullcrap, " I'am one of you" lies, the NHS have 1200 staff being paid from £30K to £90K a year for having a NON JOB, invented for the ever cash increases for their Budgets. None of the political parties are bothered because the £10 a month NHS membership we will have to pay to get treatment is on the way, this is the start of Private medical treatment, yet again it's up to us the British people to get courage and change, change for a party that puts British people first all the time not just at voting time with their lies to FOOL you yet again, and guess what it works every time sheeple, RED ROSETTE we'll vote for that our dad did....The BNP or UKIP, either are better for the British than the others.... welshmen
  • Score: -2

5:59pm Tue 1 Apr 14

choudhry says...

Either Cllr Kirby is misleading us or he does not understand the nature of Labour councilors. I have had the same problems with Blackwood councilors not replying, so I tried Cefn Fforest councilors, as the trouble was on adjoining land.

All five have refused to reply, Mr G Price AM is no better, I have been waiting for almost three years for this man to reply or at least return the paperwork I gave him.

Labour in Wales need a very long time out of power, they are rude, arrogant and useless, and that's being polite.

Choudhry
Either Cllr Kirby is misleading us or he does not understand the nature of Labour councilors. I have had the same problems with Blackwood councilors not replying, so I tried Cefn Fforest councilors, as the trouble was on adjoining land. All five have refused to reply, Mr G Price AM is no better, I have been waiting for almost three years for this man to reply or at least return the paperwork I gave him. Labour in Wales need a very long time out of power, they are rude, arrogant and useless, and that's being polite. Choudhry choudhry
  • Score: 4

9:32pm Tue 1 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

you will come polling day you will VOTE LABOUR YOUR FATHER VOTED LABOUR
you will come polling day you will VOTE LABOUR YOUR FATHER VOTED LABOUR scraptheWAG
  • Score: -1

1:17pm Wed 2 Apr 14

ollie72 says...

The problem is (and I speak as a life long Labour voter) that there is no real alternative for the working men and women of Wales.

Obviously there are people with long memories that will never vote conservative, the lib dems are proving themselves to be pointless in UK politics, Plaid and UKIP focus too much on the negative - offering very little in the way of positive message. Where else do you put your little "X"?

Really, Labour as I knew it came to an end in the late 90's when "New" Labour came along, and we started to see the rise of the professional MP that had not worked in the real world.

Perhaps it's time for a grassroots movement from all of those people out there that get themselves up and drag themselves to work every day - no matter how much they earn. We are the ones that pay the county's bills after all!

However, it'll never happen as we're all too busy working to start a political movement...
The problem is (and I speak as a life long Labour voter) that there is no real alternative for the working men and women of Wales. Obviously there are people with long memories that will never vote conservative, the lib dems are proving themselves to be pointless in UK politics, Plaid and UKIP focus too much on the negative - offering very little in the way of positive message. Where else do you put your little "X"? Really, Labour as I knew it came to an end in the late 90's when "New" Labour came along, and we started to see the rise of the professional MP that had not worked in the real world. Perhaps it's time for a grassroots movement from all of those people out there that get themselves up and drag themselves to work every day - no matter how much they earn. We are the ones that pay the county's bills after all! However, it'll never happen as we're all too busy working to start a political movement... ollie72
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Realist UK says...

Gez Kirby wrote:
I agree with Mr Morgan that it's disappointing if Carwyn Jones and Harry Andrews didn't reply personally to him. I don't believe these instances were deliberate failures to respond, and I don't agree that Welsh Labour representatives neglect what ordinary people think.

I recommend that Mr Morgan contacts his local Labour representatives - Gwyn Price AM (for Islwyn) and Cllr Gary Johnston (for Newbridge) - and I'm sure that these conscientious gentlemen will be glad to respond to any points he wishes to raise.
Election coming up Gez? Most of the posts on here highlight the apathy of local councillors to get involved in anything that may upset the party or a council colleague. I could list dozens of instances whereby councillors of CCBC prefer to circle the wagons in preference to dealing with residents concerns. I would remind the electorate that on April 24th you have the opportunity to remove these long standing apologists in favour of new blood.
[quote][p][bold]Gez Kirby[/bold] wrote: I agree with Mr Morgan that it's disappointing if Carwyn Jones and Harry Andrews didn't reply personally to him. I don't believe these instances were deliberate failures to respond, and I don't agree that Welsh Labour representatives neglect what ordinary people think. I recommend that Mr Morgan contacts his local Labour representatives - Gwyn Price AM (for Islwyn) and Cllr Gary Johnston (for Newbridge) - and I'm sure that these conscientious gentlemen will be glad to respond to any points he wishes to raise.[/p][/quote]Election coming up Gez? Most of the posts on here highlight the apathy of local councillors to get involved in anything that may upset the party or a council colleague. I could list dozens of instances whereby councillors of CCBC prefer to circle the wagons in preference to dealing with residents concerns. I would remind the electorate that on April 24th you have the opportunity to remove these long standing apologists in favour of new blood. Realist UK
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Realist UK says...

choudhry wrote:
Either Cllr Kirby is misleading us or he does not understand the nature of Labour councilors. I have had the same problems with Blackwood councilors not replying, so I tried Cefn Fforest councilors, as the trouble was on adjoining land.

All five have refused to reply, Mr G Price AM is no better, I have been waiting for almost three years for this man to reply or at least return the paperwork I gave him.

Labour in Wales need a very long time out of power, they are rude, arrogant and useless, and that's being polite.

Choudhry
I know how you feel Choudhry. One councillor to whom I asked a very important question decided to ask his comrades for advice before answering and ignored me thereafter. Another, when it was pointed out to him that he was misled when he voted on an issue decided to hide behind "no comment". Another (there's loads of these tales) decided he'd meet with senior execs of the authority to put my questions and came back with answers which were knowingly false. Really, these councillors get a considerable amount per month of tax payers money & it's only near election time they make themselves known again. The mainsteam parties have become too dismissive of us so the only alternative is to vote Independent on 24th April.
[quote][p][bold]choudhry[/bold] wrote: Either Cllr Kirby is misleading us or he does not understand the nature of Labour councilors. I have had the same problems with Blackwood councilors not replying, so I tried Cefn Fforest councilors, as the trouble was on adjoining land. All five have refused to reply, Mr G Price AM is no better, I have been waiting for almost three years for this man to reply or at least return the paperwork I gave him. Labour in Wales need a very long time out of power, they are rude, arrogant and useless, and that's being polite. Choudhry[/p][/quote]I know how you feel Choudhry. One councillor to whom I asked a very important question decided to ask his comrades for advice before answering and ignored me thereafter. Another, when it was pointed out to him that he was misled when he voted on an issue decided to hide behind "no comment". Another (there's loads of these tales) decided he'd meet with senior execs of the authority to put my questions and came back with answers which were knowingly false. Really, these councillors get a considerable amount per month of tax payers money & it's only near election time they make themselves known again. The mainsteam parties have become too dismissive of us so the only alternative is to vote Independent on 24th April. Realist UK
  • Score: -1

6:57pm Wed 2 Apr 14

theviking666 says...

I would remind the electorate that on April 24th you have the opportunity to remove these long standing apologists in favour of new blood Sadly who to vote for tory? lib? pc?, labour only need a small turnout to win, they know that and then the cycle starts again.
I would remind the electorate that on April 24th you have the opportunity to remove these long standing apologists in favour of new blood Sadly who to vote for tory? lib? pc?, labour only need a small turnout to win, they know that and then the cycle starts again. theviking666
  • Score: 1

7:08pm Wed 2 Apr 14

Realist UK says...

theviking666 wrote:
I would remind the electorate that on April 24th you have the opportunity to remove these long standing apologists in favour of new blood Sadly who to vote for tory? lib? pc?, labour only need a small turnout to win, they know that and then the cycle starts again.
Vote Independent, at least that would give a turnover.
[quote][p][bold]theviking666[/bold] wrote: I would remind the electorate that on April 24th you have the opportunity to remove these long standing apologists in favour of new blood Sadly who to vote for tory? lib? pc?, labour only need a small turnout to win, they know that and then the cycle starts again.[/p][/quote]Vote Independent, at least that would give a turnover. Realist UK
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Wed 2 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Labours camoaign slogan "power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" Labours Ann Clwyd MP can't get a straight answer from Carwyn, what hope have we got. The only alternative is to vote Plaid Cymru but don't worry it wouldn't lead to independance just a change in political direction.
Labours camoaign slogan "power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" Labours Ann Clwyd MP can't get a straight answer from Carwyn, what hope have we got. The only alternative is to vote Plaid Cymru but don't worry it wouldn't lead to independance just a change in political direction. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

10:33pm Thu 3 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Labours camoaign slogan "power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" Labours Ann Clwyd MP can't get a straight answer from Carwyn, what hope have we got. The only alternative is to vote Plaid Cymru but don't worry it wouldn't lead to independance just a change in political direction.
No you'll not get independence but you'll get small minded, Welsh speaking Anglophobes with no clue about how economies work. No thanks.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Labours camoaign slogan "power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" Labours Ann Clwyd MP can't get a straight answer from Carwyn, what hope have we got. The only alternative is to vote Plaid Cymru but don't worry it wouldn't lead to independance just a change in political direction.[/p][/quote]No you'll not get independence but you'll get small minded, Welsh speaking Anglophobes with no clue about how economies work. No thanks. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

10:47pm Fri 4 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Still better than being ruled by a party that Wales never voted for or never will. All the Tories got to do is keep the south east of England happy and they will get voted in every time. Where is the justice in that. In Wales Labour campaign will be vote for us to keep the Tories out to keep their seat and get blindly voted in.
Still better than being ruled by a party that Wales never voted for or never will. All the Tories got to do is keep the south east of England happy and they will get voted in every time. Where is the justice in that. In Wales Labour campaign will be vote for us to keep the Tories out to keep their seat and get blindly voted in. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

7:18am Sat 5 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Still better than being ruled by a party that Wales never voted for or never will. All the Tories got to do is keep the south east of England happy and they will get voted in every time. Where is the justice in that. In Wales Labour campaign will be vote for us to keep the Tories out to keep their seat and get blindly voted in.
How? It would mean the voters in S E Wales being ruled by a party of people who are still for high taxation and seperate Welsh policies from which we would not benefit at all. You can play your toy country games all you like but Wales' fortunes are inextricably linked to the UK's.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Still better than being ruled by a party that Wales never voted for or never will. All the Tories got to do is keep the south east of England happy and they will get voted in every time. Where is the justice in that. In Wales Labour campaign will be vote for us to keep the Tories out to keep their seat and get blindly voted in.[/p][/quote]How? It would mean the voters in S E Wales being ruled by a party of people who are still for high taxation and seperate Welsh policies from which we would not benefit at all. You can play your toy country games all you like but Wales' fortunes are inextricably linked to the UK's. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 2

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