MPs bravery

First published in Letters

MANY thanks to Anne Clwyd for her continuing campaign to have an inquiry into the Welsh Health Service.

Anne Clwyd, as a Member of Parliament, is well known for her campaigning, her honesty and integrity.

Instead of accepting Anne Clwyd’s painful personal testimony and conducting an inquiry, Carwyn Jones and Cabinet members of the Assembly publically ridiculed her. Like Ann, I know from my own experience as a county councillor that many people who make complaints prefer to remain anonymous, for fear of being victimised.

This is the second high profile complaint that the Welsh Government has received, and in both cases they rubbished the claims. British university researchers conducted an inquiry into cross border services, and found that within the Welsh health service, Welsh hospitals had a much higher incidence of death than the English and Northern Irish regions. When they put their concerns to Welsh Government, they were accused of acting as tools for Cameron and the Tory Government. When our Welsh Government ministers behave in this way, they not only let down those concerned members and the professionals, they let down the people and they let down our Labour Party.

Give Anne Clwyd and the people their inquiry into the Welsh health service.

Ray Davies Pandy Road Bedwas

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10:31pm Fri 4 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

When will this Labour civil war end. When will Carwyn Jones listen to senior members of the Labour party.
When will this Labour civil war end. When will Carwyn Jones listen to senior members of the Labour party. pwlldu
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12:07am Sat 5 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

There is a 140 page report into the death of Anne Clwyd's husband at the Heath in Cardiff which she will not allow to be published. Why not? If she is really concerned surely she would allow the rest of us to know the conclusions of the investigation. Frankly I am not impressed by her behaviour over this issue. She has severely criticised the nursing staff at he Heath but hasn't had the gumption to allow them to defend themselves by publishing the report.There is an enquiry under way into the death rates at 6 Welsh hospitals that have above the expected rate of death. This doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with them just that the figures warrant a further look. The Heath nor any Gwent hospital is not among those being investigated.
There is a 140 page report into the death of Anne Clwyd's husband at the Heath in Cardiff which she will not allow to be published. Why not? If she is really concerned surely she would allow the rest of us to know the conclusions of the investigation. Frankly I am not impressed by her behaviour over this issue. She has severely criticised the nursing staff at he Heath but hasn't had the gumption to allow them to defend themselves by publishing the report.There is an enquiry under way into the death rates at 6 Welsh hospitals that have above the expected rate of death. This doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with them just that the figures warrant a further look. The Heath nor any Gwent hospital is not among those being investigated. Frankfurt
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12:15am Sat 5 Apr 14

Frankfurt says...

Refuses to allow the report into her husband's death at the Heath to be published. Is that brave ? Why doesn't she let the rest of us know what happened so that we can form our own conclusions? If you are going to severely criticise nursing staff, as she has done, then I think you owe it to them to make any subsequent investigation public. It is too easy to attack people who can't defend themselves. There is an investigation into higher than expected death rates at 6 hospitals in Wales but the Heath is not included since it doesn't have high death rates, nor is any Gwent hospital included in this investigation.
Refuses to allow the report into her husband's death at the Heath to be published. Is that brave ? Why doesn't she let the rest of us know what happened so that we can form our own conclusions? If you are going to severely criticise nursing staff, as she has done, then I think you owe it to them to make any subsequent investigation public. It is too easy to attack people who can't defend themselves. There is an investigation into higher than expected death rates at 6 hospitals in Wales but the Heath is not included since it doesn't have high death rates, nor is any Gwent hospital included in this investigation. Frankfurt
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9:31am Sat 5 Apr 14

coalpicker says...

Regardless of the Ann Clwyd situation it must be apparent to anyone with a brain that across the length and breadth of the UK the NHS has some serious failings ,The real problem is that the organisation is self policing and bomb proof.
Regardless of the Ann Clwyd situation it must be apparent to anyone with a brain that across the length and breadth of the UK the NHS has some serious failings ,The real problem is that the organisation is self policing and bomb proof. coalpicker
  • Score: 0

9:45am Sat 5 Apr 14

choudhry says...

Councilor Ray Davies admires the bravery of Ann Clwyd, so do I, if bravery is so admired by Councilor Ray Davies, why not show some.

I have written to councilor Ray many times about the scandal at Caerphilly Council, he refuses to reply, which is as it is with Labour.

May I ask councilor Davies to follow Mrs Clwyd and call for an inquiry into the catastrophic failure of the Labour administration at Caerphilly.

It only takes courage after all
Councilor Ray Davies admires the bravery of Ann Clwyd, so do I, if bravery is so admired by Councilor Ray Davies, why not show some. I have written to councilor Ray many times about the scandal at Caerphilly Council, he refuses to reply, which is as it is with Labour. May I ask councilor Davies to follow Mrs Clwyd and call for an inquiry into the catastrophic failure of the Labour administration at Caerphilly. It only takes courage after all choudhry
  • Score: 1

10:12am Sat 5 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Its a matter of money, there is not enough to maintain the NHS. It has been bled dry by the coalition. Nurses won't work for the pittance the NHS pays, and have gone freelance as 'temps' to the NHS, one raked in £1,800 for a single shift recently,Drs get more money going private and charging the NHS top whack too.

Goodbye NHS a great idea....
Its a matter of money, there is not enough to maintain the NHS. It has been bled dry by the coalition. Nurses won't work for the pittance the NHS pays, and have gone freelance as 'temps' to the NHS, one raked in £1,800 for a single shift recently,Drs get more money going private and charging the NHS top whack too. Goodbye NHS a great idea.... Mervyn James
  • Score: -4

4:07pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Its a matter of money, there is not enough to maintain the NHS. It has been bled dry by the coalition. Nurses won't work for the pittance the NHS pays, and have gone freelance as 'temps' to the NHS, one raked in £1,800 for a single shift recently,Drs get more money going private and charging the NHS top whack too.

Goodbye NHS a great idea....
Mervyn there is more than enough money, it's called a budget.
You decide how you want to spend the money!
Do you spend it on the NHS, Education, Social Services worthy causes.
Or, do you squander it on ill conceived policies, the biggest white elephant is Wales is the Welsh Language. The so called language of heaven is costing the earth! Imagine if the billion spent on S4C had been spent on the NHS
Education, Social services. The money spent on translation day in day out by the NHS, Education, Social Services would be better utilised in providing service and care.
You reap what you sow Mervyn!
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Its a matter of money, there is not enough to maintain the NHS. It has been bled dry by the coalition. Nurses won't work for the pittance the NHS pays, and have gone freelance as 'temps' to the NHS, one raked in £1,800 for a single shift recently,Drs get more money going private and charging the NHS top whack too. Goodbye NHS a great idea....[/p][/quote]Mervyn there is more than enough money, it's called a budget. You decide how you want to spend the money! Do you spend it on the NHS, Education, Social Services worthy causes. Or, do you squander it on ill conceived policies, the biggest white elephant is Wales is the Welsh Language. The so called language of heaven is costing the earth! Imagine if the billion spent on S4C had been spent on the NHS Education, Social services. The money spent on translation day in day out by the NHS, Education, Social Services would be better utilised in providing service and care. You reap what you sow Mervyn! Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 6

8:43pm Sat 5 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Mervyn James if the UK government hadn't spent millions on ilegal wars, London games, London dome. While single language people make digs at the cost of the Welsh language. Welsh taxpayers paid for London developement poor old London.
Mervyn James if the UK government hadn't spent millions on ilegal wars, London games, London dome. While single language people make digs at the cost of the Welsh language. Welsh taxpayers paid for London developement poor old London. pwlldu
  • Score: -2

8:47pm Sat 5 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Monmouthshire Merlin more money is spent across the UK on paying for European Languages than the Welsh language. Scotland got the Alba channel.
Monmouthshire Merlin more money is spent across the UK on paying for European Languages than the Welsh language. Scotland got the Alba channel. pwlldu
  • Score: -3

8:50pm Sat 5 Apr 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

Can you substantiate that claim? If so, prove it.
Can you substantiate that claim? If so, prove it. Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 2

10:28am Sun 6 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

Monmouthshire Merlin wrote:
Can you substantiate that claim? If so, prove it.
Certainly in Gwent we can substantiate it, last year the police alone spent £200,000 + on translation services. The cost in education is millions as well, and that is before we start on the NHS. The majority is spent on polish/Urdu/Bengali provision. By far more than any welsh speaker demands, and migrant population being statistically low it garners most of the support in translation provisions because they won't learn English, and have that right. Attempting to put Mongolot welsh people on the same level as transient migrants is ridiculous. .Indeed we could put English speakers on that same level on that basis. Why would we have to justify speaking OWN language anyway ? We all know the succes of the sperad of English throught the world was down to waging wars and banning local dialects and language, the worm has turned, migrants can come here and make YOU accommodate them. Unless you want to revert to having no migrants in the UK or demand they are English speaking we have lost that argument, simply to attack our own language/culture in a spot of ire,look where the real problem is coming from. Inherently British refuse to accommodate difference be it language of culture. Intolerance makes us British.
[quote][p][bold]Monmouthshire Merlin[/bold] wrote: Can you substantiate that claim? If so, prove it.[/p][/quote]Certainly in Gwent we can substantiate it, last year the police alone spent £200,000 + on translation services. The cost in education is millions as well, and that is before we start on the NHS. The majority is spent on polish/Urdu/Bengali provision. By far more than any welsh speaker demands, and migrant population being statistically low it garners most of the support in translation provisions because they won't learn English, and have that right. Attempting to put Mongolot welsh people on the same level as transient migrants is ridiculous. .Indeed we could put English speakers on that same level on that basis. Why would we have to justify speaking OWN language anyway ? We all know the succes of the sperad of English throught the world was down to waging wars and banning local dialects and language, the worm has turned, migrants can come here and make YOU accommodate them. Unless you want to revert to having no migrants in the UK or demand they are English speaking we have lost that argument, simply to attack our own language/culture in a spot of ire,look where the real problem is coming from. Inherently British refuse to accommodate difference be it language of culture. Intolerance makes us British. Mervyn James
  • Score: -2

2:40pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Mervyn James if the UK government hadn't spent millions on ilegal wars, London games, London dome. While single language people make digs at the cost of the Welsh language. Welsh taxpayers paid for London developement poor old London.
How many more times. Welsh taxpayers didn't pay for anything in London. All the money comes down the M4.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: Mervyn James if the UK government hadn't spent millions on ilegal wars, London games, London dome. While single language people make digs at the cost of the Welsh language. Welsh taxpayers paid for London developement poor old London.[/p][/quote]How many more times. Welsh taxpayers didn't pay for anything in London. All the money comes down the M4. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 1

4:49pm Sun 6 Apr 14

Monmouthshire Merlin says...

Mervyn James wrote:
Monmouthshire Merlin wrote:
Can you substantiate that claim? If so, prove it.
Certainly in Gwent we can substantiate it, last year the police alone spent £200,000 + on translation services. The cost in education is millions as well, and that is before we start on the NHS. The majority is spent on polish/Urdu/Bengali provision. By far more than any welsh speaker demands, and migrant population being statistically low it garners most of the support in translation provisions because they won't learn English, and have that right. Attempting to put Mongolot welsh people on the same level as transient migrants is ridiculous. .Indeed we could put English speakers on that same level on that basis. Why would we have to justify speaking OWN language anyway ? We all know the succes of the sperad of English throught the world was down to waging wars and banning local dialects and language, the worm has turned, migrants can come here and make YOU accommodate them. Unless you want to revert to having no migrants in the UK or demand they are English speaking we have lost that argument, simply to attack our own language/culture in a spot of ire,look where the real problem is coming from. Inherently British refuse to accommodate difference be it language of culture. Intolerance makes us British.
£200,000 on translation services paid by Gwent Police.
How much of the £200,000 was spent translating into Welsh?
The vast majority I suspect? I always told my under graduates, 'the devil is in the detail'
Also, we might not have chosen to speak or learn, Welsh. However, it is presumptuous and rude to assume we are Polyglots!
[quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Monmouthshire Merlin[/bold] wrote: Can you substantiate that claim? If so, prove it.[/p][/quote]Certainly in Gwent we can substantiate it, last year the police alone spent £200,000 + on translation services. The cost in education is millions as well, and that is before we start on the NHS. The majority is spent on polish/Urdu/Bengali provision. By far more than any welsh speaker demands, and migrant population being statistically low it garners most of the support in translation provisions because they won't learn English, and have that right. Attempting to put Mongolot welsh people on the same level as transient migrants is ridiculous. .Indeed we could put English speakers on that same level on that basis. Why would we have to justify speaking OWN language anyway ? We all know the succes of the sperad of English throught the world was down to waging wars and banning local dialects and language, the worm has turned, migrants can come here and make YOU accommodate them. Unless you want to revert to having no migrants in the UK or demand they are English speaking we have lost that argument, simply to attack our own language/culture in a spot of ire,look where the real problem is coming from. Inherently British refuse to accommodate difference be it language of culture. Intolerance makes us British.[/p][/quote]£200,000 on translation services paid by Gwent Police. How much of the £200,000 was spent translating into Welsh? The vast majority I suspect? I always told my under graduates, 'the devil is in the detail' Also, we might not have chosen to speak or learn, Welsh. However, it is presumptuous and rude to assume we are Polyglots! Monmouthshire Merlin
  • Score: 2

5:27pm Sun 6 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
Mervyn James if the UK government hadn't spent millions on ilegal wars, London games, London dome. While single language people make digs at the cost of the Welsh language. Welsh taxpayers paid for London developement poor old London.
How many more times. Welsh taxpayers didn't pay for anything in London. All the money comes down the M4.

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH LOTTERY MONEY WAS GIVEN TO LONDON AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED TAXPERS MONEY PAID FOR ALL THAT I MENTIONED. ENGLISH, WELSH, SCOTTISH AND IRISH.
Llanmartinangel says... pwlldu wrote: Mervyn James if the UK government hadn't spent millions on ilegal wars, London games, London dome. While single language people make digs at the cost of the Welsh language. Welsh taxpayers paid for London developement poor old London. How many more times. Welsh taxpayers didn't pay for anything in London. All the money comes down the M4. WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH LOTTERY MONEY WAS GIVEN TO LONDON AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED TAXPERS MONEY PAID FOR ALL THAT I MENTIONED. ENGLISH, WELSH, SCOTTISH AND IRISH. pwlldu
  • Score: 0

5:30pm Sun 6 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

MONMOUTH is not really Welsh.
MONMOUTH is not really Welsh. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

7:33am Mon 7 Apr 14

scraptheWAG says...

Monmouthshire Merlin wrote:
Mervyn James wrote:
Its a matter of money, there is not enough to maintain the NHS. It has been bled dry by the coalition. Nurses won't work for the pittance the NHS pays, and have gone freelance as 'temps' to the NHS, one raked in £1,800 for a single shift recently,Drs get more money going private and charging the NHS top whack too.

Goodbye NHS a great idea....
Mervyn there is more than enough money, it's called a budget.
You decide how you want to spend the money!
Do you spend it on the NHS, Education, Social Services worthy causes.
Or, do you squander it on ill conceived policies, the biggest white elephant is Wales is the Welsh Language. The so called language of heaven is costing the earth! Imagine if the billion spent on S4C had been spent on the NHS
Education, Social services. The money spent on translation day in day out by the NHS, Education, Social Services would be better utilised in providing service and care.
You reap what you sow Mervyn!
you wasting your time with merv he votes labour as his father did
[quote][p][bold]Monmouthshire Merlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mervyn James[/bold] wrote: Its a matter of money, there is not enough to maintain the NHS. It has been bled dry by the coalition. Nurses won't work for the pittance the NHS pays, and have gone freelance as 'temps' to the NHS, one raked in £1,800 for a single shift recently,Drs get more money going private and charging the NHS top whack too. Goodbye NHS a great idea....[/p][/quote]Mervyn there is more than enough money, it's called a budget. You decide how you want to spend the money! Do you spend it on the NHS, Education, Social Services worthy causes. Or, do you squander it on ill conceived policies, the biggest white elephant is Wales is the Welsh Language. The so called language of heaven is costing the earth! Imagine if the billion spent on S4C had been spent on the NHS Education, Social services. The money spent on translation day in day out by the NHS, Education, Social Services would be better utilised in providing service and care. You reap what you sow Mervyn![/p][/quote]you wasting your time with merv he votes labour as his father did scraptheWAG
  • Score: 1

10:12am Mon 7 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

The sooner Wales gets its own independence and reaps the benefits of the trillion tons of coal off the coast of Wales. Once Wales nationalise the industry.
UK aid to India 2014/15: £280m
The UK will send an average of £331m to Ethiopia
The sooner Wales gets its own independence and reaps the benefits of the trillion tons of coal off the coast of Wales. Once Wales nationalise the industry. UK aid to India 2014/15: £280m The UK will send an average of £331m to Ethiopia pwlldu
  • Score: -4

8:34pm Mon 7 Apr 14

Mervyn James says...

pwlldu wrote:
The sooner Wales gets its own independence and reaps the benefits of the trillion tons of coal off the coast of Wales. Once Wales nationalise the industry.
UK aid to India 2014/15: £280m
The UK will send an average of £331m to Ethiopia
Why the devil we are pouring money into countries when we are bankrupt ourselves defies belief, and we ARE a 3rd world country, and cannot afford to play lady bountiful to areas that lets face it, will do **** all for us. Charity begins at Home not abroad. This is Cameron trying to gain themoral high ground by using us to stand on.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: The sooner Wales gets its own independence and reaps the benefits of the trillion tons of coal off the coast of Wales. Once Wales nationalise the industry. UK aid to India 2014/15: £280m The UK will send an average of £331m to Ethiopia[/p][/quote]Why the devil we are pouring money into countries when we are bankrupt ourselves defies belief, and we ARE a 3rd world country, and cannot afford to play lady bountiful to areas that lets face it, will do **** all for us. Charity begins at Home not abroad. This is Cameron trying to gain themoral high ground by using us to stand on. Mervyn James
  • Score: -1

9:10am Tue 8 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
The sooner Wales gets its own independence and reaps the benefits of the trillion tons of coal off the coast of Wales. Once Wales nationalise the industry.
UK aid to India 2014/15: £280m
The UK will send an average of £331m to Ethiopia
Trillions in coal? Medication run out? What will you do about the immediate £10 billion annual Welsh deficit. Typical Plaid member, wouldn't understand an economic reality if it bit them on the leg.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: The sooner Wales gets its own independence and reaps the benefits of the trillion tons of coal off the coast of Wales. Once Wales nationalise the industry. UK aid to India 2014/15: £280m The UK will send an average of £331m to Ethiopia[/p][/quote]Trillions in coal? Medication run out? What will you do about the immediate £10 billion annual Welsh deficit. Typical Plaid member, wouldn't understand an economic reality if it bit them on the leg. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Tue 8 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Llanmartinangel says... £10 bilion we would make that with extra jobs an independant Wales would bring.
Llanmartinangel says... £10 bilion we would make that with extra jobs an independant Wales would bring. pwlldu
  • Score: -4

10:00pm Tue 8 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

GB is still a big name around the world, But the name of England is not as big. That is why England wants to keep the UK.
GB is still a big name around the world, But the name of England is not as big. That is why England wants to keep the UK. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

10:53pm Wed 9 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

The amount of funding allocated to Welsh Government Departments for 2014-15 is £15.3bn. Wales would make that from taxes and Wales wouldn't be spending on foreign aid and MOD. Did you know when Wales got objective one funding from Europe the money went through the London government treasury who then deducted the amount from the welsh budget. It meant Wales got the same amount but the money from Europe was lost in the walls of whitelaw.
The amount of funding allocated to Welsh Government Departments for 2014-15 is £15.3bn. Wales would make that from taxes and Wales wouldn't be spending on foreign aid and MOD. Did you know when Wales got objective one funding from Europe the money went through the London government treasury who then deducted the amount from the welsh budget. It meant Wales got the same amount but the money from Europe was lost in the walls of whitelaw. pwlldu
  • Score: -1

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