A love match

SO NOW we have same-sex marriage. Or do we?

Throughout the debate, we constantly heard that the main qualification for marriage was love. Even some of our clergy figured that because God was a God of love, then He had to be in favour of same-sex marriage.

What we conveniently forget, is that marriage is part of God’s creation ordinance for the benefit of mankind (essentially man and woman uniting as one flesh) and our Maker is not in the business of changing that.

By law, anything can be declared a marriage but it’s not the law of the land that makes it one. So marriage hasn’t really changed. It’s just that Parliament, in its wisdom, has now given us an illusion of marriage to run alongside the real thing - the full implications of which have yet to unfold.

R. H. Ashton Woodland Place Blackwood

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1:13pm Fri 11 Apr 14

-trigg- says...

Marriage is a social construct as embodied in law. A wedding ceremony is nothing more than a religious celebration of that marriage.

A marriage can take place with or without religion being involved as a matter of personal choice for those involved. Religious ceremonies have evolved over the centuries, albeit many years behind civil practice. It will be interesting to see if they continue to do so in order to "run alongside the real thing".
Marriage is a social construct as embodied in law. A wedding ceremony is nothing more than a religious celebration of that marriage. A marriage can take place with or without religion being involved as a matter of personal choice for those involved. Religious ceremonies have evolved over the centuries, albeit many years behind civil practice. It will be interesting to see if they continue to do so in order to "run alongside the real thing". -trigg-
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1:26pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Katie Re-Registered says...

How do we know that God is a 'he'? God could be female, intersex or even identify outside the gender binary.

Furthermore, if God believes in the sanctitiy of marriage then why did God have a child (i.e. Jesus) with Mary who was someone else's partner (i.e. Joseph) at the time of conception?
How do we know that God is a 'he'? God could be female, intersex or even identify outside the gender binary. Furthermore, if God believes in the sanctitiy of marriage then why did God have a child (i.e. Jesus) with Mary who was someone else's partner (i.e. Joseph) at the time of conception? Katie Re-Registered
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1:58pm Fri 11 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about. Llanmartinangel
  • Score: 7

9:47pm Fri 11 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

same-sex marriage but a man and woman can't have a civil partnership.
same-sex marriage but a man and woman can't have a civil partnership. pwlldu
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7:26am Sat 12 Apr 14

Llanmartinangel says...

pwlldu wrote:
same-sex marriage but a man and woman can't have a civil partnership.
They don't need it. There is an equivalent.
[quote][p][bold]pwlldu[/bold] wrote: same-sex marriage but a man and woman can't have a civil partnership.[/p][/quote]They don't need it. There is an equivalent. Llanmartinangel
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8:44am Sat 12 Apr 14

ollie72 says...

Llanmartinangel wrote:
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
Well said sir!

As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..."

And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above).

My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.
[quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Well said sir! As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..." And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above). My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with. ollie72
  • Score: 4

7:00pm Sat 12 Apr 14

coalpicker says...

Katie Re-Registered wrote:
How do we know that God is a 'he'? God could be female, intersex or even identify outside the gender binary.

Furthermore, if God believes in the sanctitiy of marriage then why did God have a child (i.e. Jesus) with Mary who was someone else's partner (i.e. Joseph) at the time of conception?
GOD the fabrication of Jewish politicians turning a Sinai volcano ( YAHWEH ) into an invisible all dancing all seeing all knowing being, the greatest confidence trick ever perpetrated on mankind . With creation, proved beyond
doubt to be a load of bulls feathers how intelligent people believe such fairy
stories is beyond sane understanding .
[quote][p][bold]Katie Re-Registered[/bold] wrote: How do we know that God is a 'he'? God could be female, intersex or even identify outside the gender binary. Furthermore, if God believes in the sanctitiy of marriage then why did God have a child (i.e. Jesus) with Mary who was someone else's partner (i.e. Joseph) at the time of conception?[/p][/quote]GOD the fabrication of Jewish politicians turning a Sinai volcano ( YAHWEH ) into an invisible all dancing all seeing all knowing being, the greatest confidence trick ever perpetrated on mankind . With creation, proved beyond doubt to be a load of bulls feathers how intelligent people believe such fairy stories is beyond sane understanding . coalpicker
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9:55pm Sat 12 Apr 14

throwy1 says...

-trigg- wrote:
Marriage is a social construct as embodied in law. A wedding ceremony is nothing more than a religious celebration of that marriage.

A marriage can take place with or without religion being involved as a matter of personal choice for those involved. Religious ceremonies have evolved over the centuries, albeit many years behind civil practice. It will be interesting to see if they continue to do so in order to "run alongside the real thing".
A social construct embodied in law, is it?
Certainly a marriage can take place without a religious service, but in most Civil Marriages religious law is quoted and in Civil marriages the photographing of the signing of the Register is prohibited. Now that is the situation in England and wales up to and including June 2013.
That is not the case in a Religious, i.e. Anglican Church Service in Wales and also in England.
Marriage regardless how the secular society may wish to see it, and, regardless how the government may wish to see it, remains the Union of one Man and one Woman in the eyes of God, and, it is before Him we all come before at our death.
[quote][p][bold]-trigg-[/bold] wrote: Marriage is a social construct as embodied in law. A wedding ceremony is nothing more than a religious celebration of that marriage. A marriage can take place with or without religion being involved as a matter of personal choice for those involved. Religious ceremonies have evolved over the centuries, albeit many years behind civil practice. It will be interesting to see if they continue to do so in order to "run alongside the real thing".[/p][/quote]A social construct embodied in law, is it? Certainly a marriage can take place without a religious service, but in most Civil Marriages religious law is quoted and in Civil marriages the photographing of the signing of the Register is prohibited. Now that is the situation in England and wales up to and including June 2013. That is not the case in a Religious, i.e. Anglican Church Service in Wales and also in England. Marriage regardless how the secular society may wish to see it, and, regardless how the government may wish to see it, remains the Union of one Man and one Woman in the eyes of God, and, it is before Him we all come before at our death. throwy1
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10:28pm Sat 12 Apr 14

pwlldu says...

Over the year religion was a way to control the masses. From the Romans, Greeks, Indians, oriental and Celts.
Over the year religion was a way to control the masses. From the Romans, Greeks, Indians, oriental and Celts. pwlldu
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9:54am Mon 14 Apr 14

Jimport says...

Seeing as it is illegal for the Church of England to perform gay marriages you can probably relax. So please let the rest of society who don't believe in millenia-old superstitions get on with their short earthly lives while they have the chance.
Seeing as it is illegal for the Church of England to perform gay marriages you can probably relax. So please let the rest of society who don't believe in millenia-old superstitions get on with their short earthly lives while they have the chance. Jimport
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6:46pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

ollie72 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
Well said sir!

As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..."

And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above).

My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.
That's a declaration of friendship not marriage
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Well said sir! As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..." And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above). My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.[/p][/quote]That's a declaration of friendship not marriage Bobevans
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Tue 15 Apr 14

ollie72 says...

Bobevans wrote:
ollie72 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
Well said sir!

As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..."

And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above).

My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.
That's a declaration of friendship not marriage
Are the two things mutually exclusive then?

I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife?

I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business?

Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Well said sir! As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..." And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above). My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.[/p][/quote]That's a declaration of friendship not marriage[/p][/quote]Are the two things mutually exclusive then? I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife? I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business? Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types... ollie72
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10:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

ollie72 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
ollie72 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
Well said sir!

As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..."

And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above).

My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.
That's a declaration of friendship not marriage
Are the two things mutually exclusive then?

I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife?

I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business?

Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...
A Gay couple cannot be married as they cannot fulfil the basic requirements of Marriage. Even the legislation treats Marriage and Gay marriage as being different so it is really a pretence
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Well said sir! As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..." And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above). My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.[/p][/quote]That's a declaration of friendship not marriage[/p][/quote]Are the two things mutually exclusive then? I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife? I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business? Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...[/p][/quote]A Gay couple cannot be married as they cannot fulfil the basic requirements of Marriage. Even the legislation treats Marriage and Gay marriage as being different so it is really a pretence Bobevans
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10:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bobevans says...

ollie72 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
ollie72 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
Well said sir!

As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..."

And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above).

My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.
That's a declaration of friendship not marriage
Are the two things mutually exclusive then?

I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife?

I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business?

Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...
A Gay couple cannot be married as they cannot fulfil the basic requirements of Marriage. Even the legislation treats Marriage and Gay marriage as being different so it is really a pretence
[quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Well said sir! As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..." And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above). My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.[/p][/quote]That's a declaration of friendship not marriage[/p][/quote]Are the two things mutually exclusive then? I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife? I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business? Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...[/p][/quote]A Gay couple cannot be married as they cannot fulfil the basic requirements of Marriage. Even the legislation treats Marriage and Gay marriage as being different so it is really a pretence Bobevans
  • Score: 1

11:17pm Thu 17 Apr 14

ollie72 says...

Bobevans wrote:
ollie72 wrote:
Bobevans wrote:
ollie72 wrote:
Llanmartinangel wrote:
the full implications of which have yet to unfold'.

Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.
Well said sir!

As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..."

And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above).

My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.
That's a declaration of friendship not marriage
Are the two things mutually exclusive then?

I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife?

I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business?

Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...
A Gay couple cannot be married as they cannot fulfil the basic requirements of Marriage. Even the legislation treats Marriage and Gay marriage as being different so it is really a pretence
The basic requirement of marriage? I assume that you mean procreation?

So by your definition, sterile couples should not be allowed to marry either?
[quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bobevans[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ollie72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Llanmartinangel[/bold] wrote: the full implications of which have yet to unfold'. Are you predicting a plague of locusts? As I see it, it's one of the few laws ever passed which costs no-one anything and is only of interest to people who love each other. I can therefore, think of better things to worry about.[/p][/quote]Well said sir! As David Sedaris says, "if you don't believe in homosexual marriage, don't marry a homosexual..." And to the original poster, marriage has many forms - read through your bible. Polygamy is practiced, and children are regularly "begat" out of wedlock - including Jesus (as Katie mentioned above). My take on marriage is a declaration to those you find important (be they family, friends or your chosen deity) that this is the person that you wish to spend your life with.[/p][/quote]That's a declaration of friendship not marriage[/p][/quote]Are the two things mutually exclusive then? I stood in a registry office and declared that my wife was the person that I wished to spend my life with, the ceremony had absolutely no religious content - does that mean that I am not married, just "friends" with my wife? I don't understand why everyone gets so upset about 2 men or women falling in love and getting married - why is it anyone else's business? Lastly, if as part of your religion you are convinced that gay marriage means the 2 people involved won't go to heaven, isn't that good? There will be more room for the holy types...[/p][/quote]A Gay couple cannot be married as they cannot fulfil the basic requirements of Marriage. Even the legislation treats Marriage and Gay marriage as being different so it is really a pretence[/p][/quote]The basic requirement of marriage? I assume that you mean procreation? So by your definition, sterile couples should not be allowed to marry either? ollie72
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